Serenity Firefly hits 10,000 votes on Cuusoo!

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Another day, another licensed property that'll never see the light of day in LEGO form, hits the 10,000 mark at Cuusoo.

Acually as I type, [1] the Serenity Firefly project stands at 9981 supporters but I suspect that by the time many of you read this it will have reached its goal.

The fictional ship the model is based on is full of curves and thus difficult to render in LEGO form (pictures here and here) which would explain why the model is not the most attractive LEGO spaceship you'll ever see.

The movie it comes from (IMDB entry) is PG-13 and contains material that LEGO will likely deem not suitable for kids. For this reason I believe that it won't pass review.

It's somewhat disappointing that so many models based on what are likely to be unobtainable or undesirable licences are successful at Cuusoo, while those that LEGO would have no objection to, or reason not to make, are struggling, such as the modular western town and my good friend Peter Reid's Exo-Suit.

I suspect once this latest batch of achievers has been reviewed in June, LEGO will be forced to change the Cuusoo rules once again to keep this sort of model, one that cannot ever be produced, from being submitted in the first place.

[1] Actually, while I've been typing, it's hit 10,000!

[2] Well that didn't long, the idea has been rejected already!

97 comments on this article

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By in United States,

I don't think the PG-13 factor is the reason it'll never be made (almost all of Lego's licensing has been to PG-13 movies as of late, Pirates of the Caribbean, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars Episode III, The Avengers, Prince of Persia, the last few Harry Potter movies. This won't be made because it's not relevant to current pop culture, and therefore would not sell well. I know there are *lots* of Firefly fans (myself included, and not just the Serenity movie, the TV show was awesome). But without something current to bring kids into the mix, this model is doomed.

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By in United States,

The difference between the movies you list and Serenity, which I have seen but not for some years, is that they appeal to children and those under 13 aspire to see them, even if they are not supposed to. Serenity, OTOH, is aimed squarely at adults, contains adult themes, I believe, and has no appeal to kids.

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By in Switzerland,

Firefly is a great series - deals with adult themes like prostitution pretty well - has many issues about Reevers cutting up people and strapping them to their ships, and hands of blue, go two by two. I would love to see it made, but suspect that if Wheedon was unable to get series 2 commissioned, then it is likely that Lego would not see a massive market opportunity.

I still find that there are some really cool MOC's on Cuusoo - but they are hidden many many pages back, and will never gain the limelight without active marketing. TLG even stated this in a blog - they expect project owners to also help with the marketing side.

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By in United Kingdom,

Another licenced pipedream?

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By in United States,

..So, if this gets released, two of Joss Whedon's films (Avengers and Serenity) will have LEGO sets?

I demand a Doctor Horrible set.

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By in United States,

LEGO needs to have a lower limit for non-licensed projects. That would solve a lot of things. If you only needed 5,000 supporters for a non-licensed idea, things like Modular Western Town, Space Marines, and Exo-Suit would have a much better chance.

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By in United Kingdom,

^^ Whedon was also involved in Toy Story, X-men, Thor and Captain America in various capacities!

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By in Portugal,

As I was reading @roamingstudio message I was thinking :

The AFOL Community (or the whole LEGO community) has been clearly proved not enough to take the projects coming from it to the 10,000 mark.

And one reason why is probably that we (the developers of said projects) are thinking to much inside of the box, limiting our marketing campaigns to the AFOL Community and not trying outside of that, like people from the projects who achieved 10k have done.

We really need to give a boost on our marketing/advertising.

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By in United States,

Lowering the limit for non-liscenced projects would help, but that would only promote non-liscened creations, not make it more difficult for liscences. Lego should raise the limit for liscences and lower it for non-liscences, so that CUUSOO can still be used to generate good liscenced ideas every so often, but ensure that more non-liscenced ideas make the review process. Also, creating a list of properties deemed non-acceptible after they hit the review process may help keep outundesireable liscence ideas in the future.

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By in Switzerland,

@PocasNuckie: Could not agree more. I will be starting some discussions about this over coming weeks. As a product manager I know the power of marketing; we've seen it well with The Winchester - but we need a stable way to self promote ideas which are 'outside of the box'. Perhaps a community of bloggers who delve through the Cussoo Archives and help each other cross promote. But then... who is to say what is good and bad vs what had most visability. Build quality vs Idea & concept? Licensed vs Creativity?

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By in Switzerland,

And I should add - by default I almost always avoid forum posts 'Vote for my >> on Cuusoo' but this is somehow self-defeating. Sorry Huw back on topic now.

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By in United States,

The recent CUUSOO models that have quickly reached 10,000 votes have all benefitted from cult followings by a population not limited to fans of LEGO. While I don't begrudge those groups for the success they have had supporting their models (and I don't think Huw does either), it is a slight indictment of the LEGO fan community that we have thus far been unable to come together to successfully support a model that, as fans of LEGO, we know will not be dead on arrival. I suppose that part of our limitation is that many of us are capable builders so if we see something interesting we might replicate it ourselves without needing to depend on TLG to officially produce it.

Nevertheless, a nearly universal desire among fans of LEGO is that TLG be more receptive to fan ideas so CUUSOO remains one of the best vehicles for doing exactly that. Let's continue to vote and make our voices heard!

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By in Portugal,

My idea is more along these lines:

Take the Modular Western Town as an example. It's got all the votes I think it can get from the LEGO Community. It may get a few more, but likely not enough to the 10,000.

So, if we have covered the LEGO Community on that, what do we now? We search for people who like the Western Theme, even if not LEGO in particular.

I am sure that there are a lot of people who like the whole Western Culture a lot, or Western Movies, or anything related to Western. We need to get into those.

And I used the WMT as an example, it can apply to any other theme/project. We really need to dwelve into the outside of the Community.

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By in United Kingdom,

For goodness sake, what we don't need is more spaceships!! We get a tonne of very nice spaceships every year through the Star Wars licence!!!

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By in United States,

MWT will get there, no doubt in my mind. And it will get there the way Cuusoo intends, slow and steady, through grassroots support. 10 bucks says TLG already has plans drawn up...

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By in United States,

Ok, I admit that I got a little disgruntled when Huw publicly pooped on my EVE project, but now I see he is just prejudiced against licensed themes in general.

I would also love to see non licensed projects make it on cuusoo (I've personally supported the western set, the marines, the exo-suit, and many others) but I certainly appreciate and support the licensed projects as well.

I think if cuusoo continues as it is than we will see that the majority of projects that reach 10K based off of licenses. One reason non-licensed projects don't make it (easily) to 10K is publicity. If LEGO advertised cuusoo more, these projects would get more hits. But so would licensed projects and we'd be back to where we are now.

The only way it would change would be if licensed and non-licensed projects had different voting thresholds. Something like 10K for licensed, 5K for non-licensed, and 2K for parts.

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By in Israel,

This ship is ugly, too bad things like this get so many votes.

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By in United Kingdom,

Another great MOC that would be a complete waste of TLC's time. You would be lucky if 100 of the 10,000 people who voted for this set would actually pay the £150-$200 it would cost to produce and sell.

This is the same old online marketing and pushing of your fan base. Sites saying come on guys vote for this so we can get it made, who cares if we really intend to buy it!

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By in United States,

Yeah, the licensed themes on Cuscoo need to stop, both because they vary in quality and because it is not realistic for LEGO to plough money into a relatively obscure and kid-unfriendly license.

I have nothing against licensed sets but honestly, these sets have as much a chance of being made as LEGO Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives.

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By in United States,

@behemothjosh, I'm sorry that you took offence at my comments about your Eve ship. I'm not prejudiced against licensed themes, but I am against *unsuitable* ones. I don't know much about Eve Online but I am told that it's 'wholesome' and therefore there wouldn't be, license not withstanding, a reason for not producing it.

I think we can be sure LEGO won't make two Cuusoo spaceships in a short space of time so my money, if they make any at all, is on yours.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think the main problem is the random licensed themes on the site also. They may have a fan following but not enough for lego to justify the line. I just had a look at all the minifigure ideas, and most are pretty much about films/tv/games. There are a few that are interesting such as new pieces. This one caught my eye http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/15090 , but I dont know if alot of lego users would be happy using stickers on figures.

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By in United States,

@rocao, I agree with you about most people here being able to remake most of the sets seen on Cuusoo. I, however, have been collecting Lego for several years now and have no ability to MOC (something that haunts me everyday). I don't know if I haven't put enough time into to it or what but people like me rely on Lego to produce sets like Space Marines so we can keep our collections going with sets we are interested in. So everyone, let's get out and vote so those of us who have no MOC-ing ability are able to buy some of these great sets!

P.S. I really like the Space Marines.

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By in United States,

I agree with many people here that CUUSOO supports mainstream, licensed projects far more than original ideas. In my opinion, it seems broken because of that. Isn't the point of LEGO to use imagination to create something new, not just copy what has already been created?

Not that I'm bashing MOCers of course; I love seeing fantastic and complicated models of any theme, licensed or not. But I don't thing that that is the appropriate path for TLG itself. In my opinion, project owners at CUUSOO need to do just that - own their projects. I would love to see a whole new LEGO theme spring up from a successful, original CUUSOO project.

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By in United States,

Surprised Halo LEGO hasn't been up on Cuusoo even though M***B***s has the license.

Need much more original content LEGO is about creativity, not about their favorite games, movies, etc.

Like my LEGO diesel engine is an original idea I think. I'll not put the link in case of im not supposed to promote my or each others projects.

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By in United States,

I don't see what's wrong with having licensed themes reach 10,000 on CUUSOO. If it's not suitable for production, TLG will reject it. There's a filter system in place already. Let them reach 10,000 and the good ones will actually come through. It's a way of voicing our opinion on what Lego should make, and I don't think that should be hindered. THEY have the ultimate decision, so it's not harming anyone to have them reach 10,000.

Would I like to see more original themes be successful? Sure, absolutely. But it's not realistic to expect a generic theme to conjure the same instant popularity that an established license will. The good news is that the non-licensed CUUSOO projects that DO reach 10,000 will be extremely high quality and TLG is far more likely to produce them than one of the licensed themes that reach 10K.

I think the system is working fine. Let the projects reach 10K. The fans who get together and vote for a licensed project deserve the consideration too. TLG has the ultimate vote, so let them make the final decision.

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By in Philippines,

The Modular Western Town has been endorsed here and several other sites I visit, but it has failed to reach the desired mark at the soonest possible time. I don't think the ability to replicate such things with your own bricks is the critical factor. If children were allowed to vote, it should reach past that since it would still be a popular theme, although I really don't know if a lot of kids these days still play cowboys and what have you.

Also, regarding the publicity thing, what kind are we trying to talk about? Eurobricks, Brickset and the others should have already given the extra oomph to boost the numbers. Does the predominant color of the parts also make people shy away from it? What is the difference of the acceptability/playability of a predominantly brown building with magnificent interiors as opposed to a mecha in monotone?

Lastly, regarding the exo suit, I believe it hasn't received as much of the "publicity" being given to the Modular Western Town. But I do like it very much.

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By in United States,

Noticing all the comments about the modular western series, I'd just like to add something (I didn't read them all, so maybe this has been said) If Lego were to release the western buildings in that picture on CUUSOO, most likely the combined price would be atleast in the $700 range I'm thinking. If Lego is charging $150-$200 for the existing modular buildings, you'd have to believe the prices for such models as the western series would be extreme. This actually goes the same for every CUUSOO project. Look at the Minecraft set (Which I had high hopes for, but it was a dissapointment), it's overpriced for the end product. Yeah, Lego will make your design if it gets past, but the prices will not be so friendly. Just my idea.

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By in United States,

@Orthobotrex: I agree that the ability to replicate models isn't the sole reason why the LEGO community hasn't been able to successfully endorse a model yet. Another possibility is that we are accustomed to seeing so many great MOCs that we aren't easily moved to support a CUUSOO project, whereas fan groups outside the community see models of their hobby in LEGO form and get excited.

Your mention about kids not being able to vote applies to all models, so that restriction alone doesn't explain why the FOL community hasn't pushed through a model yet whereas other groups have had success. Unless, of course, it's the case that TFOLs and AFOLs are too small a group such that 10,000 is prohibitively large. I think TLG probably has the best estimate as to how large the fanbase is, and that 10,000 wasn't unrealistic in their view. Maybe it is, though.

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By in United States,

>> Another day, another licensed property that'll never see the light of day in LEGO form, hits the 10,000 mark at Cuusoo.

Your commentary seems unnecessarily fatalistic and somewhat rude... Was it really necessary to declare it'll never get made, that it's ugly, that it's not worthy of reaching 10,000? Perhaps this supposed "news" post might be better labeled as an editorial.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but of the licensed propsals that've hit 10,000, the only two that've had any concrete decision are Minecraft (made) and Shaun of the Dead (declined). Aren't the others (EVE, Back to the Future, Zelda, now Firefly) still up in the air?

I'm curious as to where this "any licensed proposal is doomed to fail!!" nonsense is coming from.

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By in United States,

Yet another CUUSOO project that doesn't interest me. Here's hoping for the western town... a little over a thousand votes to go.

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By in United Kingdom,

There are rumours of a Dark Knight Rises set, and that film will be probably rated a 15 (UK) as was the Dark Knight (upon DVD release). However, Batman comics are generally quite violent (Bane breaking Batman's back and Joker beating the first Robin to death). It wouldn't suprise me too much if they release the set then, though the copyright issues are the main problem obviously. And I voted for that Exo-suit since you posted it up, very impressive design actually. Hope that makes the magic 10,000.

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By in United States,

So many hitting the 10K mark. Too bad Lego decided against The Winchester....really like it, but understand why Lego opted out. Of the four others up for review, I would like to see BTTF produced. For the other three, Zelda would be next, followed by Firefly, than in dead last EVE. Zelda is not in true Lego form but I like the characters....., the Firefly looks interesting but doesn't appeal to me.........., and the EVE is downright hideous. Sorry if offended...but it's my opinion.

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By in Australia,

OH MY GOSH? What is going on here on this website? Everyone has there own opinions, but I believe the people should vote for the LEGO creations they want, which is what is happening? The Legend of Zelda, coming from someone in that age group is a hugely popular and critical acclaimed game franchise, and would be an amazing LEGO set, or range of sets? Just because the LEGO project that you guys want hasn't reached 10,000 doesn't mean you can wine over others that have reached 10,000. I'm sorry if I sound rude or mean, but all I can see is negative feedback? :( Come on we're the LEGO community? We should support these projects no matter what we think? After all they didn't reach 10,000 for nothing?

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By in United States,

I think LegoAdventures makes the first point I agree with. That's what CUUSOO is for, people!

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By in United States,

i think the lego community should like whatever ideas on cuusoo that they like, not be mobbed into supporting things.

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By in United States,

@Be-Burger "This ship is ugly"

So is the Millennium Falcon, but that's what makes these ships so iconic. They're ugly but unique. And that's why both have so many people who love them. Serenity is an iconic ship from a property that was intelligent and different. I found the show perplexing, but I couldn't stop watching it. This is one Cuusoo model I would buy if they made it, as would geeks across the Internet. However, is that enough sales to justify making it? After the Winchester debacle, I'm fully expecting LEGO to dash another of my dreams, and hammer another nail into the coffin of Cuusoo.

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By in United States,

Firefly is probably my favorite show of all-time. It's great that someone was able to produce a LEGO version of this ship, but at the same time it kind of pains me to simply know that this project doesn't stand a chance for approval.

As mentioned many times before, I kind of wish people would just stop submitting licensed properties to Cuusoo. They overshadow original creations and get tons of votes because people have emotional ties to these licensed sets and pretty much automatically vote when they are told of it.

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By in United States,

> We should support these projects no matter what we think?

You're kidding right? I think there are too many licensed things. I think originality is being trampled by marketing. I think Cuusoo is a _massive_ failure from what the majority of us believe it should be.

I'll keep thinking these things, and not being a drone, will not support what I don't believe in.

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By in United States,

I wonder how much is taken into account the price people would be willing to pay for a set. When I voted for something it asked how much I would be willing to pay for such a set. I would be willing to bet that many of these licensed sets that get votes from outside sources, not fans of lego, have people saying they would pay $10 to $20 for a big space ship because they just dont know the price of lego sets. If I were Lego and read the results that 75% said they would pay $25 for a $100 set I would say No to it. Count me in for voting against all licensed themes on there. And to the few that are attacking Huw, he is just saying what a lot of people are thinking about the models that are getting passed.

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By in Australia,

to the guys that have been building on neo classic space, upload your models!! revive a classic theme that lego own to keep the cost down and introduce a whole new generation to classic space! pete reid's stuff is amazing and what better way to honour Nate Nielson by getting some of his inspiring models to the masses. by the way the firefly ship is mega.

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By in United States,

@speed27 - Yes. I've heard it said MANY times that we've seen better builds all over the web. or that we should support non licensed themes. Please put these builds up! I too would love to see the neo classic space builds up on cuusoo so I could vote for them. This was (and still is) my favorite LEGO theme of all time. Someone once linked 3 ships from flickr pages and said "these are much better than your project". I agree! They are! But they aren't on cuusoo. I can't support them. It seems many master community builders shy away from putting their projects on cuusoo saying its a waste of time then they sit back and bash cuusoo for licensed themes. Please please put your projects on there.

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By in United States,

To be honest, I kinda hope LEGO approves this one. Sure, the movie and TV show weren't exactly family-friendly, but since when are zombies and voodoo (looking at you, PotC) family-friendly? I actually support it partly in the hope that we will see more Sci-Fi stuff like this, possibly including a LEGO Enterprise and/or Stargate. Besides, how many kids are actually going to even see this set? It's not like LEGO is selling them in stores...

Just my two cents. I simply think adding something new to LEGO Sci-Fi would be a good idea. What I'm viewing this as the potential for a new age in LEGO Starship construction.

As far as Cuusoo being a bit of a debacle, I kinda agree. The only things people can think about are licensed themes, which get old quickly. For once, it might be nice to have, say, a UCS Ninja Gardens type thing. Sort of on the scale of the Modular buildings, but with a Ninja mountain, detailed dojo, etc.

For those who see a bit of a problem between my supporting a licensed product and my railing against having more licenses, I'm just supporting what I see to be one of the best projects Cuusoo has to offer. Sure, I'd like less licenses, but as long as that is all we have, I might as well support the best of them.

Blockman

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By in United States,

Glad to see everyone having fun. I find this whole thing quite silly, the reason being I originally planned to make the instructions for a serenity play set myself before I considered cuusoo. I, however am busy. So this option involved less time and work, and I figured was worth a shot. If this works out great , but if not so what I was going to make my own instructions anyways and now I get the experience of just getting to 10k as a bonus. So no one understands the possibility of this not getting through better than me. Yeah I put up a licensed project knowing there was a definite possibility of it not passing the review, sue me. :P
(Does this happen with every project that passes 10k?)

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By in United States,

@ Blockman:

GEEK ALERT! GEEK ALERT! MALFUNCTION! :P :P :P

~ The obnoxious DX ninja
:P

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By in United States,

With all due respect, I completely disagree with @Huw on this. Not only do I love the Firefly submission, I welcome more licensed submissions. There's currently no cap on the number of submissions that reach LEGO review, so what harm does it do the community to have LEGO reviewing anything/everything that qualifies? The more we throw against the wall, the more success we're likely to have.

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By in United States,

No offence, but lego will never agree to make this. It's just not practical, there is no reason to make it!

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By in United States,

I voted for this,both Zelda projects, a Hunger Games project, the modular western town and the space marines.

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By in United States,

I agree with 'yellowcastle', and I'm going to use this quote: "There's currently no cap on the number of submissions that reach LEGO review, so what harm does it do the community to have LEGO reviewing anything/everything that qualifies? The more we throw against the wall, the more success we're likely to have."

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By in United States,

Let's put this in perspective:

"Firefly" - amazing show with large cult following (browncoats).

Iconic ship AND mini-figures from the show.

Joss Whedon is the man (writer, director) behind "Firefly" and also a little movie currently out called "The Avengers".

Joss has some serious juice right now and his previous work will likely develop a much larger audience.

It's a model that will appeal to thousands (at least 10,000) of non AFOL people who may discover an interest in lego as adults.

This has a good chance of generating priceless publicity for Lego. Picture the actor Nathan Fillion, who played the lead in "Firefly" and currently plays the lead in "Castle" (a hugely popular show), plugging his characters mini-figure at a Comic-con or even on his current show.

He would.

What is the down side of this? I really would be surprised if Lego passed this one up.

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By in Canada,

Given the cancellation of "firefly" the show, it would be sadly fitting for this also not pass review. It would be fun if it did though.

I agree with the people looking at this project thinking that the themes might be too adult for children. The reavers and prostitution specifically would be problematic thematic content. Yes, it might have the same rating as other Lego products, but looking at the type of content, Firefly is geared and aimed towards thoughtful adults, not free-wheeling kids. Actually, seeing so many beloved main characters die is probably going to cause much less free-wheeling even in adults. I love firefly, it is just a wonderful show. I would be happy to purchase this. But I would understand why this set would not be fitting thematically. Also, if there aren't enough numbers to keep the show on the air, I doubt that lego will see enough people in the market to buy this set, particularly at a high price point. However, I hope he releases the instructions, because I want my own "serenity."

Regarding licensed v. non-licensed: Yes, people who may never buy the set vote for "licensed" sets, but I don't know that all the people that voted for the western town would really pay hundreds of dollars for the town. I would generally prefer non-licensed stuff reach 10,000 particularly because I think w/o the license they will be cheaper to buy. But, I know that i also made and then posted a licensed bag end to cuusoo, it's just fun to make scenes from things you love and share them, I don't see a problem with that.

And while it can frustrate some that people outside the community might follow a public notice to vote projects that are themed, I like that a particularly thoughtful lego set idea can perhaps bring people back to Lego. Though, you can debate that such notices prompt voting unrelated to the thought and care behind the project idea (which is a valid argument, in my opinion). Fundamentally, I just want fun legos that I enjoy building. I'd also rather not pay too much for them, but I'm willing to if I like it enough.

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By in United States,

"not suitable for kids"...I don't agree.It is perfect for even younger children and it is nice.

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By in United States,

My problem with the current state of lego cuusoo is that with all the licensing properties creating noise that it will start to create a level of aggravation amongst TLG. If Minecraft does not sell like gangbusters then TLG might think about shutting cuusoo down entirely if all the projects that get votes are ridiculous properties voted on by fans of that property not lego fans. Then this great experiment will fail.

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By in Australia,

Also don't forget that these projects; The Firefly and The Legend of Zelda have thousands of supporters, not only shown by the supporters, but also the Twitter and Facebook recognition. I think we should just let the projects that have been picked, be picked because they have obviously been picked for a reason, popularity, support for that theme etc. I don't believe you should say ''This project won't make it'', ''Why did this project get picked'' ''WOW! Another project that won't get picked''? Why say that? The Minecraft Project had the same effect on this website, I read through the comment's, and people were saying the same thing, once released, people were cheering, and the fans were going crazy? Let the people choose the projects that they want? And other themes will be publisized too? So it's just a matter of waiting your turn?

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By in Canada,

^This

Well put LegoAdventures

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By in New Zealand,

Well, after reading through all these "comments" and realizing people are arguing online, here it is:

The LEGO Group will make sets ONLY (I REPEAT) ONLY make sets, CUUSOO or otherwise -IF- They have public appeal. Even then, It needs the support of LEGO Fans - the ones who will actually go out and buy them. If the set doesn't have an appeal to most - mainly KFOLs & TFOLs - then the LEGO Group will not publish a set.

It's not based on prejudice, or film ratings - (Look at Iron Man and Avengers sets) - It's based on popularity.

There you have it.
(P.S. If you agree see my profile)

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By in Belgium,

I think it is rather normal that the licensed ideas get a lot more of support then the non licesed / generic ones. And that shouldnt be considered a bad thing..

First of all, there is the already mentioned support from outside the Lego community; the fans of the license who up till now did see Lego just as a kids toy. Starting to neglect or block these fans off would be a very bad idea imho. I always saw reaching a potential new public and market as one of the objectives of CUUSOO..

Second, how many AFOLs were drawn out of their dark ages because of licensed sets? While buying a present for a kid, noticing a model of an X-Wing or Indiana chasing the bad guys in Venice and thinking: "whoow, that is cool, they made a scene from my favourite movie in Lego, I will buy that set.." ? I know that was how it happened with me, and seeing profiles of AFOLs varios Lego related sites across the net, I know I am not the only one..

As mentioned before too, by rocao I think : many "generic" sets look at (first sight) like if they can be build by anyone who has sufficient suitable bricks in his Lego bucket. Not saying they are... they might be very good mocs with some rather special techniques or new uses for parts. But I can very well imagine somebody seeing the Western Town and thinking : nice, I would like to try something like that too with my brown bricks. While when seeing something based on your favourite game/movie/comic : nice, I would like to buy that.
What also might drive some towards prefering the licensed sets on CUUSOO: the hope of getting their favourite characters minifigurised. As we all know, minifigures are more and more becomming one of the main selling factors for Lego sets. So why shouldnt people ask Lego via CUUSOO (indirectly) for the ones they most desire?

So, changing the rules for licensed mocs that are submitted, or even ban them would be a very bad idea I think.
Even if they decide not to build a specific model, the ones that reach the 10k are a good indication what (kind of) themes are "hot"...

So, now after all this defending of the licensed CUUSOO themes, let me put all in balance again by proposing to support a non-licensed one. Not mine, and even not just a MOC but an idea for a complet line..

http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/9068

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By in Singapore,

I still think this approval from supports need to be tweaked a little. true, we still need 10k supports on each project to ensure the market is really buying into the concept. but the review process in terms of its suitability to be launched into the market can take place much earlier at 2000 supports (for example), so we are not just blindly supporting an idea that's never gonna be produced. it's a waste of energy, time and resources. judging by the few number of concepts that have yet to hit the 2k mark, i'm sure that review process can take place sooner. if that project has the mark of approval from the review committee at 2K supports, i know people will support it even more.

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By in Australia,

Thank you Nightshroud99 :) I love your Youtube! Your a great reviewer, one of my fav You-tuber's, as well as Brickqueen :)

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By in Malaysia,

it's weird how , to pitch a concept.. one must create an uber cool "one MOC that will impress them all" using 1000++ parts or much more. In the end after adequate 10k support, if the powers that be decided to put them into the mass market ... it's going to be butchered /modded to become less-impressive set to the tune of (maybe) 500 parts or less.

I think cuusoo should tweak their rules a bit to lets say requiring submission of a (themed) concept consisting of 3 MOCs made for different price point/parts range for eg:

1x small MOC (100 - 150 parts )
1x medium MOC (200-300 parts)
1x big MOC (anything above 350 parts perhaps?)

my 2 cents :)

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By in United Kingdom,

It's great how this Cuusoo thing has provoked such interesting debate and polarised opinions.

I don't actually mind that it's licenced stuff that's getting the votes - we can let LEGO worry about that aspect of bringing us the products - and I've voted for a number of projects involving licenced properties. What I am frustrated about is the quality of the "winning" designs. Apologies in advance to the respective designers, but when the Eve, Firefly, Zelda, BTTF, Minecraft etc. designs are viewed against other designs on Cuusoo, they're just not particularly great IMHO. People are voting for their favourite licences rather than the actual designs they see before them, and that for me is the problem.

Cuusoo wasn't set up to be a licence popularity contest, but that's exactly what it currently is.

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By in United Kingdom,

The Modular Western Town has got over the 9,000 mark, onto the home straight now!

As for this, I am not personally a fan of the show really and I cannot see Lego accepting this, the market is not really there for the model I sense and it would be a tricky license to obtain.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think we should all stop this Nay saying approach to Cuusoo models that pass the 10000 votes.
Remember that Cuusoo is essentially a market research tool just like a regular survey.

All of the models I have seen on Cuusoo are really good and derserve a chance of production. Leave it to Lego the company to say whether one model or another will actually be a viable product.
They have done the their job pretty well over the last 60 years. With a few exceptions.

I agree with this idea as a better approach to Cuussoo

1x small MOC (100 - 150 parts )
1x medium MOC (200-300 parts)
1x big MOC (anything above 350 parts perhaps?)

Although using the Lego Model you could make
3-4 small
1-2 medium
and one large model.

Some current Cuusoo projects could be combined into one project to follow that model ???
Firefly CMF
Firefly ship interiors
Serenity The ship.

Pop CMF
Musical instruments, Piano ?
?? Arena/stadium MOCs ???

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By in United Kingdom,

The western is only 950 people away from being reached, I hope it gets there.

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By in United States,

For those who aren't voting for the Western because they think it is too big, take a look at the tab with LEGO's comments. They mentioned that it would be scaled down if produced. So don't let that hold you back from voting.

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By in United Kingdom,

I will admit I havent voted for that Western set, mainly because I am not a fan of the Western/cowboy genre. The problem is sets based on games or film are getting voted by fans with no intention of buying it. I cannot believe all 10000 minecraft voters are going to buy those sets when released. I am a Firefly fan, but I doubt Lego will produce a product for an item with no current attention from the public. This is voted by the fans, and not by the people that will buy it. I would not be surprised if someone tagged the line, "If we can get this to 10000 votes we can let the entertainment industry know we want more Firefly!"

But this is not the main problem with Cuusoo, filling in all that information just to support an idea puts people off voting. Sure it gives lego an idea how much we want to spend on sets, but if users are just going to vote on something because they are a fan of it. That part of the supporting signup process of the idea is redundant.

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By in United States,

@DrDaveWatford - Just a point of clarification on the design quality. Being an approved Cuusoo design only means that the set/theme gets made, NOT that it gets made exactly as submitted. As part of the review, Lego's designers basically reverse-engineer the design and determine if they need to tweak or revamp it before it could see release.

For example, this is an official Lego comment on the modular western town:

"Over the coming weeks, veteran designer Steen Sig Andersen, the same designer who built the final Shinkai 6500 and LEGO Minecraft Micro World models, will investigate your Modular Western Town model and build our own concept."

Same for the Back to the Future DeLorean:

"A 'LEGO Jury' composed of designers, product managers, and other key team members will examine the idea. We'll build concept models and determine if the concept meets our high standards for what it takes to be a LEGO product, including playability, safety, and fit with the LEGO brand. "

So it's safe to assume that if you don't like a design, what you're seeing on Cuusoo may not be the final product.

@PocasNuckie - I'd say it's incorrect to state that the Modular Western Town likely won't reach 10,000. It's already at 9,000+ and is one of the most publicized and discussed non-licensed Cuusoo entries. It seems inevitable that it gathers another 940 or so supporters in the next couple of months, especially when there's no deadline to vote.

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By in United States,

I registered to copy this comment I made on TBB regarding the Winchester, when it was rejected by LEGO. While it is a different project, I believe my comment is still relevant here:

"I find it interesting how many really thought this would be a set. I also find it interesting how many think what chances any set that receives 10,000 votes will become a set. As a personal opinion, not based on any true facts but only my observations and experiences with the LEGO group over the years, I believe when viewed through the prism of history we’ll find that the vast majority, maybe as high as 75%, of all models that reach 10,000 votes will never become sets. Yes the first three sets to ever reach this milestone have become sets, but the first two were done while the program was in beta, and the publicity from the third did LEGO well. But I believe from this point forward anyone who immediately assumes a set that gains 10,000 will automatically be made a set will be frequently disappointed."

The longer I think about it the more I think that percentage of 75% is too low.

Now back to the darkness from wence I came.

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By in United States,

^ Thanks for joining, I hope you like it here and stick around!

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By in United States,

^^ I absolutely agree with @savatheaggie in that 75% may actually be too low. But I'm ok with that. I just want these ideas to get a legitimate LEGO review. What happens then is up to LEGO and I'm sure whatever decision they make will be the right one based on a number of factors not the least of which is where this set would fit (or not fit) in their forthcoming plans. For example, if they're already planning a reboot of the Western theme, then we won't likely see the modular Western town. I imagine they're already looking hard at their own "Space Marines" theme based on some of the recent CMF's so perhaps they'd stay away from anything in Cuusoo that would otherwise interfere.

As for @DrDave's comment that the IP's are earning the votes while the models are falling short, I can't necessarily disagree. But I'm ok with this. My only personal rule is I have to at least "like" the model because I know LEGO will clean it up. If the model is really "lacking" for me, then I won't support it even if I love the IP. Though I don't really follow the Eve or Zelda IP's, I'll admit I wasn't moved by either model. I think the Serenity, though, is a decent attempt and I'd like to see LEGO take a whack at it.

Relatedly, I don't see myself supporting many digital submissions. Take the time to build it and I'll vote. But that might just be me. :o)

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By in United Kingdom,

^I don't know if I agree about not supporting digital submissions. There are a few ideas there that cannot be created with bricks (new pieces, software,etc). One of the things about Cuusoo that ideas can also be submitted. Such as that Star Wars Empire in a bucket.

A few people are trying to get the Western set to be next, problem is I do not see anyone asking if you want a western set. If they find 950 to fill the void does that mean they want it or they voted because a bunch of lego fan sites asked you to vote? The stuff that has flown through with votes, could just be loyalty to blog/fanpage/celeb endoresment.

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By in United States,

Let me get this out...
AHHHH!!!!! AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!! WWWHHHHAAAAATTTTTT?????!!!! WHY ANOTHER LICENSED SET! OH MY GOODNESS!
*Sigh* Sorry, I had to get that out. I understand the Cuusoo process and point of it and I love many of these sets that have been accepted, but it's getting tiring now. There have been no non-liscensed themes since after the beta that have gotten 10,000 votes. Even now the entire Lego Internet community is banding together, scrapping votes to get 10,000 votes for Western Module. Yet this, a licensed theme of a movie that may or may not be kid appropriate that will inevitably cost Lego more trouble and money then they are worth because they are licensed, gets 10,000 because readers of IGN say, "Oh, I remember Lego! Those cute little blocks! Oh, and what's this, Lego Zelda! Hey, that sounds cool!" *Click* This may not be Zelda but the same applies here. I don't mean to be a downer, I would just like some really creative or original themes get the votes. And if they're going to pick licensed themes, I wish they would pick some more kid-freindly themes, maybe like Portal 2 or Star Trek or something. I think they should range the voting process. 10,000 for licensed, 5,000 for not (I think someone else here had the same suggestion)
Oh well, I await what Lego's response to this is.

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By in United States,

There is a ton of speculations being thrown around as fact:

1) "another licensed property that'll never see the light of day" - much debate about the Firefly content but its clearly on the PG / PG-13 side of the fence and not the R side of the fence. Nothing we haven't seen in other licensed properties by TLG like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, PotC.

2) "Without something current to bring kids into the mix, this model is doomed." - modular buidings, architecture, mindstorms, technic are all created for adults and older kids. not every project on cuusoo can be Ninjago or Bionicle.

3) "People that vote on licensed themes will never actually purchase it" and "The problem is sets based on games or film are getting voted by fans with no intention of buying it." - You know that for a fact? You could easily say the same thing about every non-licensed project supporters on cuusoo. There is no evidence that non-licensed sets will sell better then licensed sets or vice-versa... I would say that the speed at which sets reach 10K is a *better* indication as to the demand for those sets once created.

4) "The LEGO Group will make sets ONLY (I REPEAT) ONLY make sets, CUUSOO or otherwise -IF- They have public appeal" -- Isn't that the purpose of the 10K cuusoo threshold? Reaching 10K means it has public appeal. How much higher would YOU suggest the threshold on cuusoo be set so that TLG will accept it as having public appeal? 20K? 50K? How else can we judge 'public appeal'?

5) "You would be lucky if 100 of the 10,000 people who voted for this set would actually pay the £150-$200 it would cost to produce and sell." -- Again, the price point and set size has nothing to do with a licensed/non-licensed set. How many people would drop down $200 on the Western set? And don't underestimate rabid fans. Many of the fans of EVE, Zelda, BttF, and Firefly are older. They have money.

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By in New Zealand,

Although reducing the required amount of supports for non-licensed projects sounds reasonable, perhaps it would be better to start with something like a separate Top 10 for licensed and non-licensed proposals. Perhaps there should also be a stricter approval process for licensed ideas, to weed out the obviously inappropriate or unobtainable licenses. TLG should also make a bit of an effort to advertise Cuusoo, on their website and perhaps on sets aimed at a 13+ audience. Lastly, project spotlights should be shown on the Discover page rather than just on the Facebook page.

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By in New Zealand,

@ DrDave: I agree with that:

"Cuusoo wasn't set up to be a licence popularity contest, but that's exactly what it currently is."

Like you said, all people are doing is voting for stuff from the fav movies/series/licenses.
We NEED a revolution! Just joking.

Seriously though, people need to stop voting licenses and start looking at the actual models and sets.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think licensed themes should be banned off cuusoo altogether. Then i think the site would be better

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By in United Kingdom,

I think the site will be closed within the year for sure. The Lego company just seem to be making a lot of work for themselves for not a great deal of gain I imagine the Minecraft set will be fairly popular but it is not something you can make an entire series of models from. When the Western Modular Buildings cross the magic 10,000 boundary we will be in business and they could reinvigorate the entire Western theme, something which I think is long overdue. As for this set, I fear it will not even pass the review process.

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By in United States,

I'm not a fan of the licensed products on CUUSOO either. Many of the photos and characters that are being used are copyrighted and used without permission, I'm sure. Sure, it's all for fun and blah, blah, blah say the most folks naive to the importance to having that ownership. It's baffles me how one could think that they can use others' creations because they are a fan of it and using it to promote the item in a "good" way. The other of the copyright should have all say in what a "good" way to use their creations are. Sure, we love LEGO but not every other company out there does. Those companies should not have to see their characters or worlds on a site like CUUSOO without them giving the permission first.

Also, the people pushing these designs over the threshold are not going to buy the sets. Period. I'll stand before the powers and say it too. Some of the fans may. Most won't. How many of the Shaun of the Dead supporters have logged on to the CUUSOO site since they have voted? If we could see this data for any of the licensed products, I'm betting that the number would be low, low, low. My proof? Look how quickly those votes tallied up. I would bet most of the votes were new registers and one-time-votes and they don't even remember the name CUUSOO anymore. Many voting sites (like CUUSOO) have a waiting period after registration before you are allowed to participate in votes. I think that would be a great way to weed out the people that actually care about the CUUSOO project dream from the only-licensed-product fans. I would bet if the Shaun of the Dead fans (or any other license fan) had to wait even one week to vote on their creation after registration, many of them would have forgotten about it before that week was up. CUUSOO is a place for LEGO dreams to be born. Sure, one could dream about a licensed-product line and in theory that should be respected, but that fan should realize that they too need to respect copyright law (see paragraph 1), and the dream should be LEGO first not the license. I think that there are too many people that are just fans of the license and not fans of the CUUSOO mission.

So many people are saying that it is good publicity for the licensed ideas to get the 10000 votes too and LEGO can then weed out the ideas that just won't work. Don't you think that will be negative publicity for TLG to have all of these licensed products get the 10000 and then not made? Why are so many people thinking that these licensed ideas are going to turn the die-hard fan of a license into a die-hard fan of LEGO too, but these same die-hard fans will not be angry at LEGO and possibly boycott LEGO for not turning their voted-on design into a set. Because LEGO rocks, right, and who wouldn't like LEGO, right? People who aren't die-hard fans. Leading me to...

For those who are saying that licensed products could help pull new fans into LEGO, that these new fans of the licensed set will buy the licensed product and then start buying more LEGO, I'd like to offer the following question. Do you think that you would buy a Barbie doll with a LEGO license and then start buying other Barbie dolls? (I'm not knocking Barbie either as we have a good many of those that I really enjoy on display in our house.)

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By in New Zealand,

Ok, I have just joined the CUUSOO site, and supported the western town project.

My user name on there is BRICKSETuser - fitting huh?

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By in United States,

My impression is that a lot of this negativity comes from people who have a beef with "fandom" in general.
ericjohn's screed against fan use of copyrighted materials in particular. That's basically a broadside against the whole social phenomenon of fandom.
Why do I get this feeling that this is probably coming from people who do nothing but City and Modular sets/MOCs, and feel really superior about themselves for that reason, like they are keeping LEGO "pure"? Get over yourselves already. There is nothing new under the sun, and there is nothing more "original" or "imaginative" about a LEGO recreation/interpretation of some historical/actual thing/scene than some fictional scene/thing. Someone used the term snobbery upthread and that is clearly right-on. I say this as someone who couldn't care less about most of the existing licensed themes other than for parts. I'm not a particular fan of Star Wars, Harry Potter, or PotC personally but I'm sure glad that LEGO is working those licenses.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Modok - yep, I'm aware that LEGO will design their own versions of the "winning" submissions which pass the review process, but that's not my point. What I'm trying to get across is my disappointment that so many people are voting for ideas (i.e. licenced properties) rather than actual designs. Where's the incentive for talented builders to submit their (non-licenced) designs for us to admire when it's just the licences rather than the actual designs that people are voting for ? LEGO might as well just produce a long list of "suitable" licenced properties and ask the public to vote on which ones they want LEGO to try and secure...

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By in United States,

@DrDave - Sorry to tell you something you knew. You make a good point. I'm hoping that if Lego does design their own versions, it's very close to the original. I was thinking they'd maybe substitute a few bricks or building techniques, not that they'd come up with an entirely different design. Otherwise, you're completely right that the submitted design is little more than a placeholder.

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By in Australia,

This has really turned into a ridiculous argument, and debate over nothing?

Firstly. LEGO Cuusoo I thought was designed to allow anyone who has an inspiration, dream, wish, idea or theme that they wish, or want to become a LEGO set, or possible couple of set's and theme? It's for the people. And the people should be able to vote for what THEY want?

I'm so disappointed with the negativity on this website, towards all these projects? It's perfectly fine to have an opinion? But discing, discriminating and negatively making crude judgment's towards projects that you may not agree, or like with is really disrespectful and just not needed? If I don't like a project, I don't say that it is bound to fail? I don't act and say that it is set up for fail, and won't pass the review, when it has only just been accepted.

It isn't fair to rain on everyone's parade who have been excited and happy that these projects they have supported that have finally reached 10,000 have the people say such negativity towards them. An opinion is one thing, but haven't you guys ever heard of thinking before you speak, or not judging things by it's cover? If the Modular Western Town Theme passes, and I didn't like it, I would never post, or say; ''Oh great, another theme bound to fail?'' That's really nice and positive?

Huw, I'm disappointed in your negativity towards these themes, with all dye respect. I admire you, and this website. It has always had a high quality for information, reviews and a great base of moderators and really one of the best LEGO communities, but I have never witnessed such negativity, or discrimination? Figuratively, I wonder if you will be happy for the Western Modular Town Theme? Because I feel you are upset that, that hasn't reached 10,000 yet, and these projects are, which is what I'm seeing from some? It isn't fair Huw to say negative things towards these themes, and then when the theme you love comes out and you deploy such positive feedback?

The Legend of Zelda is a hugely world-wide critical acclaimed franchise, that is loved by many children, teenagers and adults a like. A Game franchise that people have grown up with, that suits all audiences, and considering people have, and have had Nintendo Consoles and gaming systems, and love LEGO, or The Legend of Zelda for that fact, then the LEGO rendition would be a huge success. I supported that project and so did 10,000 other people, including thousands of Facebook and Twitter supporters.

As for the Firefly, I have no idea what that is? I still supported it, because it looks like a great ship? So what if people don't know what that is? Some children might just like the Spaceship for that face? If it's released I'll get two? I still have no idea what it is? It looks really cool, a great fun project. Sci-Fi lovers especially will love it. You don't have to know what a theme is to love it, in fact releasing it, can bring awareness to it?

I finish this conclusion by saying, it's a people choice. If people want themes, then let them submit themes? I'd love LEGO Doctor Who, The Legend of Zelda, Ghostbusters, Men in Black, Back to the Future. More Star Wars, maybe even Harry Potter? And there is many different creations on there based on their own creations which are getting acclaimed?

Let it unfold itself? It's all up to the peoples choice. They should be able to vote freely for what they want.

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By in United States,

Well I'm sure most of you will be pleased to hear that I have received word that Lego will not be pursuing a Serenity set. (and there was great rejoicing)

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By in United States,

Well, I'd hardly say rejoicing is the right word. Just looking at that model I can tell someone worked extremely hard to craft it, and in the hope that they would see their own creation become an official product. I know practically nothing about the Eve or Firefly franchises, but I know some fine ships when I see them.

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By in United States,

Thank you. I assure you all the angles and curves were not an easy.

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By in United States,

Well, between the Winchester and Serenity, there should certainly be some clarity now about where LEGO is going to draw lines.
I don't think that has any bearing at all on the question of whether licensed sets, in principle, will or will not succeed through CUUSOO.
I suppose we can imagine that PotC sets the upper bar for "non-realistic" violence. And for thematic darkness, I guess Anakin murdering a whole Jedi academy full of kids, even offstage, probably would be too dark for any other franchise. I heard the last Harry Potter was pretty dark too but I don't follow that franchise. Probably new license ideas will get much less slack than those mega-iconic ones.

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By in United Kingdom,

I havn`t seen the tv show but I think it is a brilliant model so that is why I voted and watched the countdown :)

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By in United States,

Regarding the characterization of Huw's original post as negative, I don't agree. He didn't criticize the LEGO model as being poorly designed, but rather opined that the source ship is relatively unattractive. To those that said that Huw should avoid posting any criticism about the submission: again, I disagree. IMO, ideas submitted to CUUSOO enter into a vetting process of popular opinion, and thus can be met with positivity or negativity alike. What's left then is the criticism of the CUUSOO program and the pattern developing between advancing licensed models and subsequent rejection by LEGO. As it turns out, Huw was correct, and the idea was rejected for precisely the reason that Huw offered.

One criticism with which I agree is that Huw should not have stated as fact that the model would be rejected. But had he qualified the statement as his opinion or prediction, I would have absolutely no problem with it.

Finally, while it is valid to debate whether or not opinion should be included with news, the intermingling of the two has always taken place here and I think that is understood as being the case. As a reader, I'll freely agree or disagree with any offered opinions, and because of that, I prefer the inclusion of commentary over having none.

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By in Switzerland,

Even though I am not a fan of licenseced sets and can concur with Lego's desicision, I am certainly not "rejoicing". The model itself is fantastic, it shows exceptional skill and dedication. And every released set is good for us.

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By in United States,

@rocao, thank you. As you say I have always included my opinion in the news and, let's face it, it would be pretty dry and faceless if I didn't. Whether everyone agrees with it is another matter of course and I welcome being challenged in the comments, as indeed I have been here.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see that this model wouldn't pass review and I hope that Cuusoo projects that don't meet 'LEGO's values' are nipped in the bud in future to save wasting everyone's time, particularly that of the creator who in this case no doubt went to a lot of trouble to design the model and subsequently promote it.

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By in Germany,

...just let Huw speak his mind when he wants. :P

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By in United States,

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but the creator seemed to make it very clear he didn't regard it as a waste of time at all.
I doubt Firefly fans were going to be spending their time on CUUSOO trawling for worthy original MOCs instead. But having come for the Serenity, maybe some stayed for the Classic Space revival. Who knows? In any case their time wasn't wasted.
So whose time, exactly, was wasted?
And I want to be clear that this is not a critique of how you reported the story, by all means you should say just what you think and spur debate.
I just genuinely do not UNDERSTAND the basis on which so many people are so negative about CUUSOO at this point, other than seeming dislike of "fandom" in general... which seems pretty bizarre for a LEGO community.

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By in United States,

Nope, doesn't take a genius to know this was a long shot, but unlike some long shots, this had a potentially great payoff with no risk. So why not take it? This gets the word out and it will be easier to let people know when I finish the instructions.

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By in Australia,

Like I get that Huw can speak his mind, we all can, but if I was the owner of this website I would be bias, so that I don't hurt people's feelings, and make comments that could make people upset. I respect this website :) and everyone in itm including Huw, but I'm just a bit upset that for some reason Huw keeps saying these projects won't pass, when the Minecraft project did? I just think we should let fate wield it's course and let things fall their own way, let people vote for what they want? If it passes it passes, if it doesn't it doesn't.

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