Review: 44018 FURNO Jet Machine

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As a special treat for constraction [1] fans (I'm looking at you Aanchir :-) ), I've pulled out all the stops to bring you a review of one of the latest batch of HERO Factory sets.

Since HERO Factory was launched in 2010 the sets have been rehash after rehash with little evidence of any real innovation. That has all changed this year with the launch of the new range, 'Invasion From Below' which feature minifig-sized versions of the heroes piloting various mechas and doing battle with beasts from undergound.

Whilst at the Brighton store yesterday (where I met up with CapnRex101) I found myself right at the back, where, languishing unloved on the bottom shelf, I found them. Being a sucker for red constraction sets, I bought this one mainly to see what the minifig was like and whether there had been any significant changes in the parts and construction techniques since the last one I bought in 2010.

[1] Constraction = construction + action, a term used internally in LEGO.

First, let's look a the minifig. It's actually a skeleton rather than a minifig and has new leg, arm, head and armour pieces. The H is a rather nice printed 1x1 round tile.

44018 FURNO Jet Machine

There's a pin at the back, the reason for which will become apparent below.

44018 FURNO Jet Machine

Here it is without helmet and armour. Those who endeavour to build monochome minifigures will no doubt welcome the un-printed Chima-eagle-blue head.

44018 FURNO Jet Machine

I have no idea what these bugs are called but apparently you're supposed to be able to press down on the back and make it 'hop' but my attempts to do so have not so far been successful. LEGO names the base of it a 'Hopping Grabber Base'

44018 FURNO Jet Machine

Unlike HERO Factory sets released until now, this is a mecha rather than an autonomous robot/creature. The mini-HERO sits on this seat where the pin on his back mates with the hole in it.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

He fits in it snugly and can hold the controls, which are slightly angled, comfortably.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

The completed mecha looks suitably sturdy, solid and menacing. The windsheild doesn't quite cover the figure's feet, which is a shame, and although they can be folded downwards slightly further than I have them here I don't think it's possible to get them to be positioned beneath the groin armour plate as shown in the official set images.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

At the back there's a huge appendage, hinged on one side so it can be opened to put the green creature in.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

I'm not entirely convinced by the hands, the weapons are cool but their attachment to the hands looks a bit feeble, particularly compared to the rest of the model. Note the minifig-accessories attached to the hips: a blaster and what is presumably a fire extinguisher.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

Unlike many HERO Factory and Bionicle models, it looks 'chunky' from the side.

44018 Furno Jet Machine

I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by this set. It was an interesting build, perhaps because I hadn't built a HF set for so long, and the end result, with the exception of the 'hands', is much better looking and substantial than most HF sets which tend to look a bit feeble when viewed normally, rather than at the angle used to illustrate the packaging. That could be because, at £12.99, it's a price-point up from most of them.

Parts, wide, looking at the inventory, with the exception of the minifig parts and the container on the back, there are not many new elements in it. Most of the parts were introduced in 2011. If you're a seasoned HF fan you might be disappointed by this.

LEGO's constraction team has certainly introduced some much-needed innovation into the theme and it will be interesting to see the direction they take in future. Personally I think mecha are more interesting than autonomous creatures and I'm sure the inclusion of a minifig will help them sell.

43 comments on this article

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By in United States,

I don't buy much HF usually, but these sets look pretty interesting compared to the Brain Attack ones, seeing as they are piloted mechs and not large action figures of the characters. Looking forward to buying some when we Americans get them in March, if only for the figs.

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By in United States,

I'm a sucker for anything constraction, and with the introduction of minifigs, I have to pick this up! Great review.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think I'll put my thoughts here: being a massive HF fan, I've liked pretty much all the sets. I was pretty intrigued when the images for these first came out. And having bought pretty much all of the sets (still waiting for 2 to arrive), I'm impressed even though their base price (for sets of this size) has increased 30%

The mechs can also fit normal minifigures surprisingly well, as I show in this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoneveyronian/11668540754/

Plus, the "bugs" are called jumpers - but I've heard many people calling them "mini Kaiju", after the Kaiju monsters in Pacific Rim.

All in all, a great review Huw - are you bitten by the constraction bug yet? ;-)

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By in United Kingdom,

I'm getting this from LEGO.com, my Dad says he thinks it should come today, still not here yet:|

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By in France,

A treat for Constraction fans indeed-when was the last time a Constraction set was frontpage-reviewed? Something like 2010's Tahu? The point is, I really appreciate it, Huw. And great review, especially for someone who don't usually tread to Hero Factory. No offense, of course.

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By in Bolivia,

"Since HERO Factory was launched in 2010 the sets have been rehash after rehash with little evidence of any real innovation"
Huh? Except in 2011 when they changed the whole build system. I guess.

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By in United States,

In my opinion, these are cooler and have more substance than the earlier waves of HF sets. Definitely more innovative and more unique.

I can already guess at the answer, but does the figure's armor piece fit well on a normal minifigure torso? That would open up a lot of possibilities.

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By in United States,

I hope you end up doing more constraction reviews, Huw. They have definitely been lacking.

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By in United States,

As a seasoned Constraction buyer/MOCer(pre-bionicle even), I am extremely disappointed in this. Honestly, I think lego is just going the rout of the Minifigure to get people who are obsessed with Minifigs to buy them and try to appeal to the bigger audience of system fans. From the MOCing/new elements point of view the pickings are very slim this year as opposed to last years. At the end of the day they're still lego sets, people buy them and use their parts to create other things. In that regard its a pretty huge letdown in my opinion. I'm truly not bothered by the fact we American's have to wait till March to get these. That'll give me time to get some other cool things like maybe the newer smaller price point Technic Sets or the LoC Legend Beasts.

The theme this year is also pretty lame. I'm sorry but this is totally a Pacific Rim ripoff. I've been calling it "Pacific Hero Rim Factory" since we got to see the preliminary leaked images. "Mini Kaiju" is definitely an apt nickname for the colorful versions of the Vhisorak. Which if anyone remembers the 2005 playsets, will instantly recognize that they cashed in on another old idea. This is HF, meets, bionicle playsets, meets exo force all with the dumbest awesome movie(or the most awesome dumb movie) ever made slapped on top of it. I'm afraid Originality has been completely gutted from this series. Worst HF series yet in my opinion.

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By in United Kingdom,

@vexorian, yes, the parts were changed in 2011 but there wasn't really any real innovation, the parts just provided for a similar way of building the same thing.

@3rdeye88, that's an interesting viewpoint. Maybe these sets won't appeal to hardcore constraction fans, although the fact I liked it proves it has appealed to a different audience, maybe those that you mention.

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By in United States,

As another constraction fan, I'm glad to see this new idea... With the simple two-piece cockpit it opens up a whole new realm of possibilities. Glad to see that you like it!

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By in United States,

I've never appreciated the distaste for Hero Factory / Bionicle in front page stories here, but I can't blame you for your preferences, so I'll just politely disagree. (And I think the 2011 parts change was more innovative than you give it credit for... but I guess if you don't build in that style you wouldn't know.) I do appreciate the review and the pictures. I'm not exactly thrilled to see the sets go the minifig route, but some of the designs looks interesting, and it's hard to say no to good mechs. Thanks for posting this and letting Furno grace the front page! :D

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By in United States,

I think "rehash after rehash" is putting it a bit harshly. The 2011 sets implemented an entirely new building system that gave the heroes knee and elbow articulation (which the 2010 heroes had lacked) and replaced specialized armor and limb pieces with a much more versatile system of beams and shells. There are all kinds of things you can do with the new beams that couldn't be done with the previous BIONICLE limbs, including things like this model's skeleton. Its geometries would not have been possible without the center ball joint on the 5M beam elements.

The 2012 sets also mixed things up by no longer separating heroes and villains according to price point, so that there could be more diversity in the designs for both. And the villains have had all kinds of innovation: consider 2232 Raw-Jaw, 2233 Fangz, 2236 Scorpio, 2283 Witch Doctor, 6201 Toxic Reapa, 6216 Jawblade, 6218 Splitface, 6228 Thornraxx, 44005 Bruizer, 44009 Dragon Bolt, and 44011 Frost Beast. Thanks to the new building system, even the smallest sets can be remarkably diverse, unlike a lot of BIONICLE sets where each new series included six differently-colored variants of the same basic model.

But with that said, none of those innovations have been quite as radical as this year's change in scale. It allows for more diversity of builds (since the hero models, as vehicles rather than characters, no longer need generic humanoid skeleton designs). And if it brings more System builders to give constraction a chance then I couldn't be more grateful. I never would have expected to see a Hero Factory review on Brickset; certainly not one that is generally so positive.

I love this set best out of the new sets, despite it having the lowest piece count of any of the new sets at its price point. Its unique skeleton design is brilliant: despite being connected together entirely using ball joints, it is fantastically rigid. It also has a great color scheme and symmetrical design. I don't mind the arm design, as I interpret the hinge not as a wrist but rather as an elbow, with the flamethrowers being more like arm-cannons than handheld weapons.

It's a shame the mini-hero's feet don't nest in the armor like they do in the official images. I was under the impression that they did. I do have to mention something I also pointed out on Flickr — you have the Titanium Metallic detail elements on the torso reversed. They should have the wider end facing the cockpit so that they enclose the cockpit better and the tips of the shells underneath are visible.

I am not at all disappointed by the set's components. For me, the ability to reuse the same parts in new ways is proof of those parts' usefulness, and I have never been fond of the way that so many BIONICLE sets introduced highly specialized new elements just for the sake of creating a model that looks slightly different. It seems contrary to the idea of LEGO, that being to use the same basic parts to construct all kinds of different things. Moreover, as a MOCist, having large quantities of the same basic shells and beams is never a bad thing. Even having collected sets since 2011, there are still times when I find I don't have enough of a certain part in a certain color and I have to make substitutions.

Great review, Huw. I'm glad you liked this set enough to pick it up and I'm even happier that it continued to impress after it was built. I'm going to be waiting patiently for the North American release of these sets!

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By in United States,

Thanks for the review, because I never look at these Hero Factory of Bionicle sets, but I do buy some of the parts off Bricklink to make MOCs. I think these sets have a lot of great new parts for that purpose. The cockpits are pretty nice. I see the point of 3rdeye88, but I might have to get the ROCKA Stealth Machine for the gold minifig parts. And I would be able to build a Mandalorian Drop Suit with it, also.

I think these are a great way to bridge minifig style with constraction.

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By in United Kingdom,

> you have the Titanium Metallic detail elements on the torso reversed.

Doh! So I do, what an schoolboy error, thanks for pointing it out! And, yes they do look better the other way round!

I've added a photo with them the right way round.

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By in United States,

As a big Exo Force fan(sadly I no longer have any of the sets :/), I will make sure to get a couple of these!

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By in United States,

@Huw: Much better! Still not quite correct though. You reversed both the 4M shells and the armor, when the instructions ask you to put the shells on pointing out towards the shoulders and the armor pieces facing in towards the torso. I have a feeling that will improve the look even further! Nothing to be ashamed of, though — even as intuitive as constraction sets have become, they're still a lot different from traditional LEGO building, and it's easy to slip up in a place like this when you're not expecting it to present a challenge!

Still a shame the legs can't bend down any further. But in the main image for 44019 Rocka Stealth Machine you can clearly see how they'd collide/intersect with the seat. That's definitely a place where the design of these sets could have been improved.

Do you plan to review any of the other sets, or are you just sticking with this one? If you were to get another one, I'd probably recommend 44022 Evo XL Machine, which has a much more Technic-intensive build (including a gear function), and thus has a much more agreeable price-per-piece. And there are some amazing sets coming this summer (revealed in a trailer for the TV special and on a Hungarian shop site), including 44028, a blue drop ship that deploys a four-legged walker. That one could definitely be worth waiting for...

But if you do stick with just this one, I won't hold it against you — you definitely chose what I'd consider the best of the lot!

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By in United States,

YES! BRICKSET DID SOMETHING HERO FACTORY RELATED! IT'S A MEGABLOKING MIRACLE!

HF is one of my favorite themes (My Most favorite) and now, i'm happy.

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By in United States,

i really like the new HF sets, will be getting some of the new ones i really liked the exo-force but never got any... nice review, please do more :)

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By in Canada,

Do you have something against stickers Huw? ;-)

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By in United States,

Hey folks! I'm a new fan of constraction. I started with two of the Chima sets and then started picking up bags of Bionicle era parts used on the cheap. I gotta say, the Bionicle stuff was not NEARLY as interesting after having played around with the Chima ones. I'm assuming the HF or closer to Chima than Bionicle? If I like the Chima ones, would I likely enjoy the HF series? Thanks!

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By in United States,

@KaneBlaireau: Yes, Hero Factory is much closer to the Chima and Super Heroes constraction sets than BIONICLE sets are, and in fact pretty much all the Chima constraction parts besides the heads are shared with Hero Factory. They're all under the umbrella of the "Character and Creature Building System" introduced in the 2011 Hero Factory sets. But be aware that the first wave of Hero Factory sets in 2010 had more in common with BIONICLE, parts-wise, so if you look to pick up bulk Hero Factory parts, not all of them will have the same level of compatibility.

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By in United Kingdom,

> Still not quite correct though.

What an epic fail! You're right. Maybe if I have time tomorrow I'll re-take all the images.

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By in United States,

As a constraction fan, I also thank Huw for putting our favorite ugly duckling in the spotlight. I agree that the switch to shells was monumental, especially for MOCing... the loss of the titanic Technic-heavy early HF bad boss sets is the downside of that switch (Witch Doctor is actually one of the trickiest builds I've ever done period!), but in terms of building a library of parts for MOCing, this new system is absolutely amazing. And the thing about constraction is you can have a completed poseable figure as big as your arm built in minutes! I love the great system Mecha MOCs (and sets, like the wonderful Ninjago Mech), but they are time-consuming. Building in the HF system is like sketching, quick and fluid.

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By in Italy,

This model reminds me kay's fire mech. That was, to me one of the best "small category" sets of the last year.
I'm glad you put it in the frontpage, i have not payed attention to the constraction sets since slizer i think...

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By in United States,

@Aanchir @Huw Touching on what Aanchir said, he made some points I've been explaining to angry ragey Bionicle Fan boys for the last two years. Both themes have their advantages. While Aanchir doesn't like the highly specific or specialized parts I on the other hand do. It allows for certain textures, or themes to be present within a MOC. But it comes at the cost of versatility. This is the problem HF 2.0 solves, but it comes at the cost of diversity. Hero Factory paints in broader strokes. The "Shells" as you guys have been calling them have pretty much one look-sleek and angular. Lego has been designing addons to these parts to achieve different aesthetics which harkens back to Bionicle's more specific nature. http://www.brickset.com/parts/?part=6018425 a part like this is a great example of that. Aesthetically Bionicle is still superior. HF pretty much only looks good from the front or side, and in MOCing it needs to be covered up in back otherwise it looks pretty ugly and hollow. What HF brings to the table is structure and mobility. Before if you wanted something structurally sound, you had to rely on Technic beams. Now these HF "bones" as we call them can do that but retain mobility through the ball and socket system. The end results for example can be something like this guyhttp://flic.kr/p/gWtGud which is big and bulky with lots of system on top of him, but at the core is HF and still very flexible despite being quite bulky. I think my MOC here is a great example of how the barrier between system MOCing and these constraction parts can be completely obliterated. The fact of the matter is now both series kind of cancel out each other's negatives. Bionicle gives us all the specific frilly parts if we want a specific look or feeling to our MOCs, it has many smaller elements for looks or detail that HF still lacks, while HF provides far more versatility in both structure and color options that Bionicle never had.

Aanchir is completely right though, even though a lot of parts get reused a lot, it never hurts having a bunch of them. I find one HF heavy build can easily drain most of my inventory of one or a few specific kinds of parts. I've also noticed that HF bone part's usefulness is directly correlated to their size. The smallest bone piece I can never have enough of, while the largest one I have to challenge myself to find a use for, and the subsequent intermediaries between the two are relatively useful in MOCing. The HF system has become so engrained in my MOCing that I've had to go "whoa...hold on, lets see if I can still build a decent MOC without this stuff." The end conclusion was that "yes I can, but man is it way harder." The inclusion of the same parts over and over again has also meant a far wider color pallet for a given piece, especially the shell pieces. I just wish they'd recolor bone parts more. I'm getting a little fed up of just Black and the Bleys making the majority of any skeleton. Other colors skeletal pieces exist but they're pretty nominal.

Huw, you made me realize something. Maybe this move isn't such a bad one after all. If the inclusion of Minifigs gets more attention from a broader audience, that could in turn boost sales, and hopefully sustain the series. After thinking about it, yeah I've never seen a HF set review here on Brickset. So I must join the others in thanking you for gracing the front page with a review of Lego's Redheaded step child. LOL

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By in United States,

@hfan334 "Megablocking Miracle" HAHA I'm gonna have to use that one. ;)

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By in United Kingdom,

Here's something else you may not have noticed with the packaging to this set (yes I have this set in hand too!): it's a pouch, and on the bottom of the pouch there is some very cool monochrome artwork, like a full version of that artwork you see on the strip at the top. I've unfolded the bottom of my pouch to show it off: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoneveyronian/11743083166/

Just a curiosity that will make you want to look at the bottom of the packet to this great mech set :-)

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By in United States,

@ninjagoyo: Your last sentence really summed up a lot of what I love about Hero Factory building! I feel like it's very therapeutic to be able to snap a beautiful model together without the amount of advance planning that has to go into a Technic-intensive or system-based articulated figure.

@3rdeye88: Believe me, I liked the more specialized textures in BIONICLE back in the day as well. I embraced the challenge of making sure BIONICLE figures in both my MOCs and my drawings had stylistic consistency, and that their parts used similar textures throughout. And while I loved it at the time, looking back it feels like quite an ordeal that could have been avoided entirely if there had just been better, more systematic part design. In that respect it feels like Hero Factory just brings things back around to how they've been in System and Technic for a long time — there are parts you can use to add detail, but the major structural components of a model are simple and functional in their design, so you don't have to feel limited by a lot of highly specific details.

I also don't feel like the shells leave parts any more hollow-looking in the back than BIONICLE shells. And yes, BIONICLE did have plenty of shells of its own:

http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4506466
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4504968
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4498070
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4499704
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4505606
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4537511
http://brickset.com/parts/?part=4218519

...etcetera. There were lots of shells that were similar in size but had very specialized textures, which I felt looked slightly "off" in MOCs if you didn't have any parts with similar textures alongside them. Kalmah's shells were a particular offender — that tentacle texture barely matched anything, and really nerfed the usefulness of what would have otherwise been an amazingly versatile shell design (one of the few that could be used on the front OR side of a basic leg beam, and a beautifully streamlined shape to boot).

@TheOneVeyronian: Thanks for sharing those pics! I had heard about the graphics on the bottom of the pouches but never really got to see any but Splitter Beast's (which was shared in the Eurobricks review of that set). It's really amazing getting to see all that art in high-detail monochrome! Whatever LEGO group illustrator came up with that stuff deserves a round of applause.

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By in Spain,

Honestly now that I know that normal minifigs can fit in these mechs, and the parts of the new HF minifigs can fit on the regular minifigs, they have my attention.

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By in United States,

@Aanchir Now I think we're kinda splitting hairs a bit. I used the term "shell" because that was the nomenclature being used here to describe the HF armor, but really, its all armor parts. You're right about those parts being the same basic function or even shape as the HF armor but they were more accessible to. A pin hole or axle is far more easy to connect than the sockets of the HF armor or the two pinholes provided, which usually are taken up by addons if you want. And they are less varied than the Bionicle parts. Omitting the addon parts every HF armor variant is the same basic "look and feel" Sleek and angular. If you want a round look you've gotta put on one of the dome style addons(one of my favorites to). The HF part is still there underneath it though.

The way you solve the problem of the look of the Kalmah armor part is to motif that part throughout the MOC itself. Not just one on one section, five or so throughout. If its in the original dark red-black gradient, then you use it with say the anthroz wings and provide a gradient color throughout the build. If its Silver, just place the part on different areas of the MOC. Then there's the fact that such parts could be attached to a technic beam, a double ended socket part of either size, the pin holes allowed them to go on shin/forearm parts. or you could use other technic connector elements to attach them and they could then become parts to shape a head or face. And once used they didn't stick out so much. A HF shell standardly stuck on a HF bone with nothing else looks atrocious from behind. HF figures always look great from the front, and naked from behind. Bionicle didn't require as much "filling in" the parts inherently looked robotic and thematic of the look they were going for from all sides.

On the point of Ninjagoyo's point. A sketch isn't the same as a thorough drawing. I was at first calling HF "The digital Camera and Photoshop of BioMOCing." Meaning it made it super easy and therefore less rewarding and meaningful to snap together something that looked halfway decent. That to me completely sucks all the fun and challenge out of it. I absolutely cannot use HF by itself, I've tried. It always without exception looks like its missing something in my opinion. For me, the challenge in HF is to find how to arrange the parts so that they make the moving sturcture I need, then add on the armor and other elements so that it all looks good.

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By in United States,

The official LEGO pictures (the one of the packaging) don't really flatter this set; I think your pictures were quite nice, Huw, and make me a bit more interested in this set (and this Hero Factory wave in general).

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By in United States,

Does anyone know for certain if that armor will fit a standard minifig? I'm guessing not or they would have used one...but I can hope!

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By in United Kingdom,

I'm pleasantly surprised about the discussion this has provoked, and also embarrassed by my building errors. I've now re-taken all the images and will pay more attention next time I build a HF set which, given the level of interest in the comments, may be sooner rather than later.

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By in United Kingdom,

^^ Yes, the armour will fit a standard minifig, hence there is a gap between the skeleton torso and the armour which is there but isn't too clear until you see a side-on shot of Furno. The armour I feel is rather reminiscent (but not the same as) the CMF Galaxy Patrol or Lex Luthor armour.

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By in United States,

Still trying to decide which set I want for the minifigure. :P
Thanks for the review Huw!

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By in United States,

@3rdeye88: I understand how you can repeat a part throughout a build to keep the motifs from out of place. But that's what I like about HF shells: you don't have to repeat the same part throughout just because you used it once, because most of the other parts will share those basic motifs. And as I said before, I disagree about the back of a Hero Factory beam looking bad with just a shell on it. On the contrary, I think they look quite nice, offering a little splash of contrasting color and texture to represent a model's mechanical or organic innards. The only place where I find HF figures tend to look extremely bare or hollow is the back of a torso (if they lack back armor), and the torsos have no shortage of connection points you can use to attach back armor.

I find HF MOCing very rewarding, especially because it feels like a more efficient and therapeutic use of my time than more intricate BIONICLE-based MOCs. Even back when I was doing a lot of BIONICLE MOCs, they didn't tend to be very good despite the amount of painstaking effort I put into them and the huge array of pieces at my disposal. These days I actually prefer using Hero Factory by itself whenever possible, sometimes with a bit of basic Technic or System but rarely with any detailed BIONICLE parts. Most of the time I just find they throw off the stylistic consistency and throw a wrench in the efficiency of the building process. That's just me, though. Both building systems have their advantages and appeal to different types of builders.

The new photos look fantastic, Huw! Thanks for taking the time to retake them!

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By in United States,

@TheOneVeyronian Yes they can from what I've read of the reviews on EuroBricks. There's a gap between the armor and the Minifig Skeleton and our guess is that this is to allow the armor to be able to be worn by a standard Minifig. I don't know this for sure myself but what I've heard indicates that yes, they can.

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By in United Kingdom,

^ Yes, that was exactly what I was saying! I currently have one of the armour pieces fitted onto the Galaxy Squad Blue Robot minifigure, and it looks very good. You can't have any headgear or modified head that's too big at the back though, that's the only caveat of the armour. But then the Galaxy Patrol armour has the same caveat.

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By in United States,

@Aanchir We are definitely going to have to agree to disagree there Mate. Cause I think it looks horrid, unfinished, uncovered, and just...bleh. To each their own. I really like HF to, but not for the same reasons apparently.

I gotta say man, that's on you, not the system of parts. Don't scapegoat Bionicle just because you weren't good with it. http://flic.kr/p/fAmRYB
http://flic.kr/p/eBVsuk
http://flic.kr/p/azKuZv
http://flic.kr/p/ayZMVC
And that's just what I can pull from my own collection right off the top of my head, Nick V's early work is the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of other people's MOCs. Pate-Keetongu to has some amazing MOCs that are pure bionicle/technic as well. Don't tell me good things can't be done with bionicle despite having resources or putting in effort. That is simply not true.

The Core of HF is still built around the fundamentals of Bionicle and Bio parts still make it into the HF sets. I mean I can't tell you how many Piraka clawed feet I got in black last year from all those HF and Chima Ultrabuilds using them. Parts like the marble shooters are just variants of the Bionicle parts. The HF 2.0 is the HF version of pretty much every Bionicle foot piece ever made. I just think you're explaining it like there's this huge separation between the two and they're actually the closest things. Technic, Bionicle and HF are all built off its predecessor. Old technic is based off of system, newer technic is a refined version of old technic, bionicle is a variant of Technic, and Hero Factory is a variant of Bionicle. People put up these huge barriers in the community when there's no need to.

This is why I've come to realize Huw putting up this review and showing people a HF set and this discussion is a big deal, and actually quite a breakthrough for this style of building. I'm very hopeful now that this might make it more accessable and relateable to more traditional Set buyers and MOCers, and hopefully they'll see we're not so alien or foreign after all.

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By in United States,

^Yeah, I understand that BIONICLE had loads of creative potential. I was just explaining that it didn't really mesh as well with my building style. The process it takes to create a large, unique MOC of that caliber is practically alien to me.

I actually prefer the 2.0 hero foot to a lot of BIONICLE feet because it doesn't have as much of a protruding heel as, say, Inika feet or Toa Metru feet. It has this in common with the Toa Mata foot, which was always one of my favorite BIONICLE foot pieces — at least for use as a foot. The new feet for the Invasion from Below monster sets also share this trait. Other BIONICLE foot pieces still made great detail elements, though, which is something BIONICLE titan sets took full advantage of.

On a side note, something I'd love to see is a Hero Factory foot piece where the ankle joint is one module LOWER than on a typical HF or BIONICLE foot piece. I feel like this would allow better proportions for small models, better proportions for large models that need to couple it with a friction joint (Furno XL's ankles are weird and ugly), and it makes the feet more useful as a detail element since they wouldn't have a hinge that sticks out past the top of the foot, kind of like the Toa Metru foot without a Y-joint attached.

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Yes! I was s glad when these came out as I've been wanting to make HERO Factory minifigs for a long time. I'm glad the head and helmet along with the armor are minifig compatible. Also, I was looking at the set with Breez in it and it appears to come with a trans. dark orange chain!

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@Aanchir Agreed, Lego's always supplied big feet to HF and bionicle. The smallest foot I can recall is the Bohrok foot, which is a useful part, but as a foot I always thought it looked incredibly weird. I've used them to make small figures myself but only because they're the only option. The only alternative to this problem is to use a standard socket part and create the shape of a foot using technic parts or possibly Bohrok eyes in opaque colors. Again I'm totally in agreement with what you said, I've seen MOCers stick the HF foot on as armor and it looks great minus the socket part sticking up. That one little area throws off the whole thing aesthetically. A foot that's one stud shorter would make all the difference. That and just smaller feet in general. The new "monster feet" are nice because there's two of them, one that's kinda large and one that's small compared to the other or HF feet and they can fit together to make a large foot, which I could see being useful for titan builds. Then they've got bars like the HF hands for articulated digits or attaching additional armor to. That's one of the new parts I'm excited to see in the beast builds. I can't wait to get some of those. As for my favorite bionicle foot...that's hard because there's a few that are so great. The Metru foot is the most streamlined I'd say, the Mata foot is the most sturdy and stable, and the toa inika rounded foot has more connectivity and provides a great shape if used for armor or to bulk something up.

The thing I'd absolutely would like to see from Lego is a sort of "pro builder series" where the gloves come off basically. Any element can be used, HF, technic, Bionicle, system. Where they're a higher price point than most sets, like say in the $50-100, but like these higher end technic sets or the Modular building series, use more advanced techniques to create models that are targeted to the older teen and young adult demographic like the technic sets are. Even if its one or two a year and they don't necessarily tie into the HF story line, I think they'd have a lot of appeal to people who like building more complex creations. I guess there's just not a big enough market out there for it. *shrugs* Lego has a great system here and they're squandering their potential with it.

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