Posted by Huw, 10 Apr 2013 14:10. Filed under
Grogall has uncovered hi-res images of 79007 Battle at the Black Gate and 79008 Pirate Ship Ambush.
I've added the main images to the database and you'll find the others at Eurobricks.
The ship is cool and all, but it seems a little too obscure for a big set.
I am not altogether disappointed with these sets, I just wish they had gone with something better than the Pirate Ship. That will be a set which I will buy as a completist, but it cannot go together with any other sets and just is not as memorable or iconic as other locations or vehicles from the trilogy. We could have had the Prancing Pony, Amon Hen, or even at this price point Barad-dûr! If they wanted to justify that as a model, they should have given us perhaps six Orcs or a couple more Warriors of the Dead or Pirates?Battle at the Black Gate looks reasonably good to me, the eagle is poor in my opinion but other than that I am happy with it, a nice representation of the Black Gate, and we get Gandalf the White along with Aragorn in a different outfit from his rather drab brown uniform from the other sets he has appeared in. I wish however we could have been given a Cave Troll with the brown colouring to drag the gate open though as that would have been brilliant for a Battle of Pelennor Fields MOC. Speaking of which, I want an Oliphaunt! With presumably two more years of Lord of the Rings and Hobbit sets to come (with the two more films yet to be released) we might yet get one!
^^have to agree with CapnRex... there are so many locales, buildings, scenes more iconic, interesting or important than the ship. Prancing Pony would be terrific... small enough to do justice, plus a setting for more Ringwraiths, horses, hobbits and Strider. Or a good battle scene at Osgiliath - crumbling structures, orcs, Faramir, Gondor soldiers. We need some Gondor. When I think Tolkien I think pirate ships! I bought every LOTR set last year, I don't know if I'm going to buy any this year. Probably the Black Gate... although honestly I would need to buy two. Need both "teeth" it looks unfinished. Still, hopefully they continue to sell decently and we get another wave next year. OTOH nothing previewed for any wave (except maybe a couple Lone Ranger sets) is setting my world on fire, so that saves me money haha. I didn't even think of an Oliphaunt! Awesome.
Regarding the eagle for the black gate set-- was it less expensive to make a mold for an all-naw figure, instead of making one out of ready-made pieces? Seems less fun. Or why not just license that other Creator series eagle and add more orks to this one? Sometimes I just dont get TLG.
I love the Mouth of Sauron but I can't understand why he has been made into a minifigure. He wasn't in the theatrical cut and he was only in the Extended Edition for about 2 minutes.
Agree with all said so far. I think these sets are rubbish. ALSO: It's about time we saw a different orc torso/head pattern, there are dozens of designs to choose from - have they watched the films?? LotR should be treated with MUCH more respect, the attention to details is sorely lacking. I'm getting sick of the Uruk Helmet being used as a 'baddy hat' for every orc. LotR is not a generic fantasy film, yet TLG are treating it like the 'Castle' range. For example, Theoden doesn't just have a sword, it's a specific shape and has a flippin' name!They should go back and watch the bl**dy films before 'designing' any more sets and demand more of themselves to do these films, and the fans, justice. I don't want stupid little catapults on towers where there aren't any, flick fire missiles at weathertop, or generic orcs wielding generic weapons to fight fifty-thousand identical Aragorns.i want soldiers of Gondor defending the white city, Faramir's rangers and knights holding out against Nazgul at Osgiliath, Armoured Trolls, Mumaks, Southrons & Easterlings besieging Minas Tirith, Gothmog and his Warg leading the line. Moria goblins wearing Moria armour, and Moria helmets, carrying Moria weapons.This is not Castle. It's lord of the Rings. If they've paid for the license, and want to push prices as a result, the least they could do is watch the films for details.GRRRRRRR!
They've made Mouth of Sauron cos they know it's unique to the scene, and the only reason anyone will buy their current trend of lazy set designs... "Have we stuck in a unique fig? Good. Job done" is all they do now.The Ship and 'Gate' so soon just smacks of a complete lack of ideas, and shows they don't know what to do, when ANY fan will come up with a list of locations & encounters worthy of lego sets.
I also agree with everyone, neither looks any good to me and I won't be buying. Also, it's completists who allow these kinds of sets to be made because LEGO knows that whatever they make, collectors will feel obliged to buy it. I'm not blaming completists by any means, I'm just saying that that's why LEGO gets away with this
To me it's puzzling to have this Pirate Ship as the flag ship set this summer. It's like they finished this for the first wave (as five of these minifigs were available from last year) and decided to push it into the second wave. If the LOTR theme is only 3 waves, I'll be disappointed with the wasted opportunity to instead of having a epic set from the trilogy, we have this.
They look fantastic to me! Why all the sour complaints people?! Yes, it's a bit confusing that they're making the Corsair ship the largest set of the wave, but it still looks like a fun set.I'm also disappointed that there aren't any Gondorian sets yet. But you have to remember, there are still going to be several more years of LotR sets! I think they will at least be making them until a year after the last Hobbit film comes out (so until 2015). That means there's plenty of time for Minas Tirith, Henneth Annun, Osgilliath, and other Gondorian places or things. 4 sets seem kinda small for a whole wave, especially for a licensed theme like LotR which has done so well. I wouldn't be surprised if LEGO pulls out another set or two. We've heard rumors of an Orthanc set since November. We saw it on a shelf in an official LEGO picture of a desginer room. The same flickr user who published high res images of the Palace Cinema early also uploaded a blury picture of it (which was soon removed). The BrickShow has even done a video about it. Plus there have been accounts of LEGO store employees who said they have seen it. I just hope we get that, a Balrog, Treebeard, Barad-dur, and Lothlorien set sometime!
Not a fan of the pirate ship but i'd buy it on discount. Definitely want the Black Gate though!I sure hope the next LotR wave has Oliphants and more Rohan soldiers!
Concerning the incomplete Black Gate set (rnsrobot); I don't think it's that much of a problem. I helps keep the cost down and people who care about it (like myself) will most likely have enough pieces to build a duplicate.
Pirate Ship is amazing. Sme of the comments above are bonkers!
^ I do not dislike the model of the Corsair Ship, however at that price point they could have produced a better and more iconic set in my view.
Not a lot of love for these, is there? :-)Personally I think the choice to make a ship instead of other more iconic scenes comes down to laziness, because it's easy to produce using parts they already have, and is much the same as every other pirate ship made.
Clearly all about the figures for these sets. LEGO should have a "What would you like to see" questionnaire, find out what their fans want. Surely their master builders could come up with anything we threw at them.
If not enough people buy this current wave will there be a next one? We may get more Hobbit sets but if this line doesn't sell they won't make any more. It would be silly for them to waste the money.Personally i like them. The ship is cool, the gate is a bit rubbish but the figs are good.
What's with all the hate? I agree that I'd rather have Barad Dur or Osgiliath than the Pirate Ship - but it's still a cool ship! And by releasing such an obscure set in only the second wave (just counting TLotR), to me, means that they could have big plans for a long line of sets, and aren't in a hurry to release the iconic places right away, better to space them out an extend the life of the theme. And sure I'd love to have a complete Black Gate, but if TLG made every set massive and included every little detail, everyone would complain about the prices! Personally, I'm disappointed in the small Rivendell (my favourite place) but I'm excited to embrace the point of Lego and expand it myself! Afterall, that's where the fun is. And lastly - no one has mentioned the brilliant Wizard Battle set: Saruman and [another] Gandalf (the only let down!), plus the palantir and a setting that captures the scene, at a decent price. What's not to love about that? I don't get the hate on these sets, but at least that means I won't need to try and fight everyone else for them when they hit the shelves :)
I really appreciate that they stayed true to the 'AFOL build' principles of the first wave, it would have been easy to make the gate taller using POOP. However, they should have added another £10-£20 cost to the gate and made it a bit more imposing. Personally I love the eagle and don't think a brick-built one could have been made at the right scale and be strong enough to be swooshable. The pirate ship looks very 'thin' i.e. not much added to the bases, but maybe Im just spoiled after QAR and IF, which are hard acts to follow. Having said that, I think this one's a 'grower' and will definitely be getting it.
I think these new pictures are great!
Wow.. just wow. I had no idea people could be go sensitive with regards to licensed sets.I have not gotten into any of the LotR sets and I just consider them like any other Lego sets and in that light I think this pirate ship is certainly a nice change from the classic 'square sail' pirate ships and I'm looking forward to it just for the looks. I don't care if it's an accurate representation from the film or if the correct characters have the correct engraving on their sword or tatoos on their cheeks, it just looks cool.I guess I'm closer to the target audience for TLG for this one ;)
^^^^Here Here Almaras22!
Wow... these sets leave much to be desired. You'd think they could have made the battle at the black gate at least somehow the same scope as the helmsdeep set.The ship is Ok, but I question LEGOs decision making on the black gate set
I will more than likely be buying two black gates, possibly four once the price drops...then that MIGHT do it justice.
Compare the Lone Ranger sets to this sorry bunch of LOTR 2nd wave sets. They're way better: tonnes of new and unique figures and prints plus attractive designs. Hell, with loads of black and white horses suitable for the Rohirrim, the Lone Ranger sets actually make better LOTR sets than these official LOTR sets.If the boat hull was brick/plate built I might be interested as a parts pack - but the last thing I need is more enormous single-use hull BURPs.
I like how the pirate ship looks, but I have to agree that it has very poor synergy with the rest of the line (it looks like it's going to tower over Helm's Deep...). Yeah, I was expecting the city of the dead to be the flagship set, but oh well. I do like the Black Gate and the other sets, though. Guess I'll have to buy the King of the Dead separately.
Does anybody NOT realize that TLG currently don't have any Pirate ships, or ships of ANY kind anymore, with the Black Pearl and The Queen Anne's Revenge EOL last summer? It's a no brainer for them to release a ship. I actually think it looks awesome. This ship doesnt look like any other REAL pirate ship that TLG has produced, I think it's a slam dunk.
Last time I was in a LEGO store a lady walked in looking for a pirate ship. I'm sure that happens a lot and Pirate Ship Ambush fills that gap in the lineup. As for the Black Gate, I just wish that the minifigs were more generic because who needs multiple Gandalfs and Mouths of Sauron? Yet LEGO's description encourages you to buy multiples of it. If they are going to encourage that, the least they could do is have more generic orcs, soldiers, or better yet, cave trolls.
Is that Black Gate set built in small modules to make it easier combining two sets? I tried to figure it out myself but it's hard to see.
I saw the hobbit last night and, boy am I disappointed...So I wont be buying the hobbit sets, so I will actually have enough money for these sets!all I can hope for now is a UCS Bree...
The most frustrating thing about this is I saw it coming. TLG's attitude to film licenses is always utterly shambolic, and 'scattergun'. Time and again they miss what people enjoy in the films, AND compound the error by also neglecting what people love of the generic world those licenses would occupy/replace.LotR fans have every reason to be annoyed at inaccuracies and missed opportunity - Star Wars fans would be spitting feathers if every 'bad guy' had the same helmet, it's the same difference. You want recognisable ships, not a few plates sticking out sideways and a fig sitting on it.The point of buying into Licenses is to replicate with authenticity, and not have to make do with 'similar but not quite' approximations. This is the worst part - if sales are poor, the entire line will be abandoned in the same way that PotC was, and we might not see any Gondorian knights, or Minas Tirith, or Nazgul, or Elephants etc. And the lack of foresight to make battlepacks (for a film series of epic battles) is staggeringly nonsensical... and speaks volumes for TLG poor strategy/attitude to (non-Star Wars) licenses.But it's not because the fans aren't out there, it's just they expect better from a series of films/books which have breathtaking architecture and epic battles. LotR should certainly not be used to pick up the slack for other missing themes. For example, if a Pirate Ship is such an evergreen set of permanent popularity, then they should just make one. You don't need a license for it, and it's a waste of any license you do hold if used like that. But as i said at the start, we saw the mess they made of Pirates, when PotC came to town. Did we get the Kraken, Tortuga, Desert islands, Flying Dutchman, Imperial Ships, Skeleton crews, British soldiers, etc. No. The theme was let down by a complete lack of piratey life and setting, that the previous generic theme had oozed, AND we missed out on what any fan would imagine should be instant go to sets that would have done this from the film, and made it massively succesful.I just think LotR could/should have been so much better, but once again, TLG drop the ball on a massive license with lacklustre sets, scattergun/scatterbrain releases, and lack of appreciation for the theme/fans. There is oodles of money to be made from LotR, but TLG fail to extract value from their winning hands.In a word: frustrating.
Why most of today Lego sets include a brick separator?
^ TLG wanted to get these out there to the masses. I think most $50+ sets include one these days.
Everyone, Star Wars hasn't always had the best waves either, yet it's considered one of the best themes ever produced! Just because one Middle-earth line isn't as good doesn't mean the whole theme is a waste! The Hobbit and LotR sets so far have been extraordinary. Huw said himself that An Unexpected Gathering (Bag End) may be one of the best sets ever made. Helm's Deep was/is also fantastic. I'm disappointed like some about no new molds like for orcs or Anduril, but do you realize how many new parts they've made already for this theme? I heartily agree with Almaras22 and I encourage you to scroll up and read his comment. Overall I think people need to calm down a bit and give LEGO a chance...
Another ship to add to my fleet.
That other set has a LEGO condor included.
Gandalf the White is by far the best figure in this new wave of LOTR sets...
^Saruman & Elrond are also pretty neat.
^And Aragorn wearing our first hint of Gondor! :D
^the mouth of Sauron is cool as well. But Arwen is a disappointment in my opinion.
(i've read all posts)Don't get me wrong, I'm not all twisted up over this or anything - just expressing current disappointment at some lack lustre set designs and glaring omissions in the opening wave (Battlepacks are a must from day one to both expand on and promote the larger sets), coupled with the fear that (same as happened with PotC) we'll get suckered into a license, and left high and dry with less than half a story told, missing key events and figures, when they abandon it.Of course there has been some nice stuff, here and there, and I do love the figs that have been done. But the problem is that unlike Star Wars, we are not likely to enjoy 10+ years of trial and error while they work out how to market the license to best effect, and they certainly won't revisit designs in the way they do with Star wars. They'll just take one shot, and if it's slightly off-target, they'll shrug it off as a bad seller.TLG are very quick to dump projects that don't fly off the shelves, in favour of whatever other license they then chose to tease and give up on, and these releases suggest to me that they are already having doubts, and just want to rush out the minimum required sets to cover most bases, and then call done on the whole line. Which would be awful.Hopefully they'll stick with it, and we'll get 5 or 6 waves of amazing sets, but track record does not support that hope.
Saruman, Mouth of Sauron, Arwen, and King of the Dead are what I'm most excited for! Don't lose hope, guys! Maybe Minas Tirith will be next! Personally, I think this wave is slightly what I was expecting but it's still awesome! LotR will always be awesome in my eyes!
We will probably get more sets, as the hobbit is now going to continue for the second film. It will probably continue into the 3rd film, so we might get another wave of sets. But as soon as the last film finishes, like harry potter they will dump the theme.
^I think we'll be getting at least two more waves of LotR sets. The third and final Hobbit film comes out December of 2014 but the DVD/Blu-ray won't come out until the next year (theatrical in March and Extended Edition by Christmas). So I think we'll at least get two more summer waves. I hope they release some sets in the fall and spring sometime too (Orthanc perhaps?). But yes, sales for these licensed themes (except for Star Wars) are driven by the releases of big blockbuster films and when the films stop the sets do too.
As a MOCer I'm only interested in the pirate ship for MOCing purposes. That being said, does anyone know if those sails have that print on both sides? These will be excellent wing material.
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