Join us in the Brickset members Facebook group

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Today we have launched our Brickset members Facebook group!

I encourage you come and join us there to discuss anything LEGO related, but in particular buying, collecting, sorting and storing, things that we, as Brickset users, all do.

I look forward to seeing you there and reading your posts.

You'll find a button to join the group after the break.

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By in United Kingdom,

Is this going to replace or just duplicate the forum?

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By in United Kingdom,

Hopefully just duplicate? As I’m seeing more and more companies block Facebook for employees..
The forum is great for what we need.. no need to change it.

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By in United Kingdom,

It's not replacing or duplicating anything: it's an additional channel for interacting with us and other members for those who prefer using Facebook to other platforms.

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By in Ireland,

Moving traffic/visitors away from your own core site (particularly toward one that mirrors the core actions of your own forum) is ill-advised. Who wants a parallel universe?

I think it’s good to have a presence on social media platforms, but duplication, confusion and dilution of your core forum interaction is not a good move.

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By in Netherlands,

As much as I like brickset and the forum, the Orwellian horror called facebook is a 'no-go'!

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By in United Kingdom,

The intent is not to move people anywhere but to give more choice. Some people like the forum, others don't. Some people live on Facebook, others refuse to sign up.

People will use what they are comfortable with, and that's fine.

By having more channels we can accommodate and engage with more people.

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By in United Kingdom,

Well I've joined because I don't generally do forums - another user account to set up and another site to remember to visit, whereas I'm already on Facecrack and visit it regularly.

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By in Norway,

After 11 years on Facebook I quit using it for a little over a year ago and my life is better without. But I see your point, just hope that don't change anything here on brickset.com/makes it less interactive/more quiet. Brickset.com should always be the core source for its purpose.

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By in Germany,

I don’t use Facebook. I hope you don’t have important news there only.

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By in United Kingdom,

Fear not, Brickset.com will remain the hub of the community!

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By in United States,

As I mentioned in the group, I tried the forums but I don't like them. I prefer having on Facebook so it's good to have all options.

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By in United Kingdom,

I didn't wish to sell my soul to the devil (Facebook) so it a no thank you from me.

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By in United States,

Facebook is a plague to society! Brickset.com and the Forum only for me.

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By in United Kingdom,

Wouldn’t join Facebook even if it sent me free Lego for life. Shame Brickset feels the need to succumb

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By in United States,

I don’t do FB.

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By in United Kingdom,

It's absolutely a no brainer for Brickset to have a FB presence. Many people on FB do not go anywhere near forums as they have a barrier to entry (login plus how the site works). FB does not have that. In the other direction, those who prefer forums where the talk is more focused (including me) tend to not go near FB. Huw is merely covering all the bases, with regard to keeping in touch with fans. Hope it goes well Huw!

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By in Puerto Rico,

Thanks, I may contact the site just for fun.

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By in United Kingdom,

Any discussion on Facebook will eventually turn to "This has already been covered in the Forum", followed by "I'm not on the Forum and I don't want to join it".
Any discussion on the Forum will eventually turn to "This has already been covered on Facebook", followed by "I'm not on Facebook and I don't want to join it".
Eventually one will get dominance and the other will bleed away interest & membership. Given its dominance in Social Media I suspect FB will win out ultimately.

Personally I wouldn't join the Facebook group as I don't trust Facebook to not harvest my data whatever they claim in public. I can imagine that Facebook is a far easier system to make a financial reward from so not surprised at this move.

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By in United Kingdom,

That's not the intent at all. I didn't even know you can monetise a Facebook group!

Clearly there's interest in it: we have over 400 members already, just a few hours after announcing it. People were joining before we had a chance to, even.

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By in United Kingdom,

Great idea, it makes perfect sense to have another channel to engage. It would be great to keep everyone on the same channel but as anyone who has tried to wrangle afols knows, some only use Facebook, some only forums and everything in between.

A FB group isn't the same as a forum, I can see them living happily complimenting each other

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By in United Kingdom,

I'm in!

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By in Denmark,

not any chance for i will join Brickset on Facebook ..
as i not have joined Byggepladen on Facebook
even though i am a member of both Lego sites with great pleasure..

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By in Germany,

Näväääär! :)

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By in Sweden,

Is "I don't have facebook" this generation's "I don't watch TV"?

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By in Netherlands,

I refuse to join the data analytics and spying organization called Facebook, so no thanks,

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By in United Kingdom,

@Huw: I don't doubt there is interest in it and as the dominant social media platform you can't really afford to ignore FB. For the casual user it is also far more appealing than the Forum. However, the competitive exclusion principle probably applies to social media as well as it does to ecological niches & that is my fear for the Forum..

Despite Zuckerberg's laudable ideals ultimately FB members are the commodity which FB generates cash from by selling access to and data about. As a special interest group the Brickset membership on FB will make selling advertising far more efficient for FB & provide FB with data which it will use to target us with 'appropriate content'.

If you don't monetize Facebook then you will be missing a trick. Facebook will certainly be making money from your efforts & the money making will occur whether you get your share for running the group or not..

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By in Canada,

@skipp.

Probably, and with the same unbearable smugness.

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By in Thailand,

Noooooo.

I block Facebook for my entire company. I don’t find myself agree with the CCP very much but their blocking of Facebook in all of China seems like a sound policy to me.

Brickset and the forum are awesome.

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By in Australia,

I'm envious of the people who are so connected that they can switch Facebook off and not miss it. I'd be lost without social media. I was desperately sick, for 6 months last year, and could barely get out of bed, let alone leave the house ... Facebook was one of the only ways to connect with people that I had! There are 100 people in my life, who I interact with on a daily basis, because of Facebook. "Surely you spend time with them in person!" Well, yes, but with FB, I never would've met them in the first place. And the people who live overseas, no, I don't spend time with them in person.

Zuckerberg makes money off the site? Of course he does. Lego makes a profit, too, and yet we're still all lined up for "Benny's Space Squad" when it comes out, right? The internet is a tool, like any other. It's no more good or evil than the person using it.

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By in United States,

Thanks for creating this Huw! I just requested to join a minute ago.

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By in United States,

Good luck with making Facebook work to your benefit, Huw. Like others, I hope it won't supplant your own forum, but I can't argue with the idea that people who find social media convenient will appreciate Brickset having a Facebook group. Another of my favorite independent forums has found having a Facebook group very useful during a lengthy host server's failure, so from a practical standpoint it's clearly a benefit.

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By in United States,

I've already joined! By the way, can we post photos of our MOCs there?

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By in New Zealand,

It'd be preferred if it was a private group so as not to publish any comments made by me to my friends' feeds - I won't join for this reason only.

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By in United Kingdom,

Disappointing, although I can understand why Huw's done it.

I do fear that Bricklunch's prediction is accurate - people won't duplicate conversations on both FB and the Forum, and so audiences that are only signed up to one or the other will miss out on content. Like many others, I don't 'do' social media, and I wouldn't touch Facebook with a bargepole. I hope it won't have a detrimental effect on the forum, but without being on FB, I won't know what it is that I'm not seeing...

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By in Germany,

Honestly, imho this is the worst move Brickset has ever done!

I love Brickset, and never questioned it, but partnering with Facebook, one of the worst companies, nay entities on this planet, is shocking, to say the least. They suck you in by promising added value, and then they misuse and sell your data. Read up on the subject, and I don't mean by dubious conspiracy theory sources, and you will find that FB is best avoided or like some have said "not to be touched with a bargepole"!

Like others have said, many people, as well as companies, have by now seen Facebook for what it is, and have accordingly ended their presence their and blacklisted its use, and now Brickset starts jumping on the bandwagon that is already hurtling towards the edge of the ravine so to speak?

This is the first step towards diluting the content, splitting the user base, and ultimately diminishing the value of the site. In the end the user never knows whether he/she misses something important, because Brickset itself or the forum might not have all the same content/comments/news/etc. that is partially on the Facebook part of things.

Again, extremely bad move and the first where I wish we not only had a like but also a dislike function for news here.

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By in Australia,

It's a shame there are many people upset about this! I personally won't join but I don't see why it's bad. :)

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By in Germany,

@magykfyre: like has been said, it's about dilution of content. From now on you can never be sure if you miss out on important Brickset content, because if you don't have a FB account, you don't know whether some information that used to be available here or in the forum is now "over there". Someone above mentioned MOCs for example. Some people are so addicted to FB that they prefer to post content only there. Those people will likely go "why should I bother posting in the forum as well, after all I've made it available on FB". If it's interesting stuff, we non-social-media-users will from now on miss out on it.
That kind of scenario.

And @maffyd: when comparing forums and FB: since when doesn't FB require a login? Every time I clicked on a link to supposedly interesting stuff that then took me to a FB page, I was asked to login in order to see the content. Naturally I didn't.

@Zordboy: what's wrong with the current generation?
I was born in 1977 and I don't understand this craving for social media at all. In the scenario you describe, why resort to using FB? There's telephones, there's email. What more do you need? What is the added value of FB? That's an honest and neutral question I have, because I simply don't get it. I don't see a single advantage FB would have to offer, not a single one. My father used to have an account and from what I saw there it is not even an elegant design. It's a mess of information here and there, coupled with a terrible UI.
Honestly, for contacting people that I don't have direct access to, I always use either email or telephone. And for posting what I think about certain topics that interest me, there's websites like Brickset and their comment sections and forums.
How oldschool is that...

Oh and while we're at it, in contrast to any added value FB might offer, even though I fail to see what that might be, I can clearly see all the negative effects.
Take kids (or teachers) at school for just one example. In former times when you didn't like or even hated someone, you had to either show it openly, or perhaps write some comment on the school wall like "X/Y/Z is stupid" etc. That, while probably detrimental to the mental health of the victim, could be erased, cleaned off, whatever. Nowadays bullies can go about their "work" anonymously via (a)social media. Much more "professional" too, with all kinds of media, videos, etc.
And no one can ever delete such stuff. Once it's on the internet, it will be there, somewhere, forever. There have been many documented suicides among victims, schoolchildren as well as teachers and others, that are linked to hate messages on (a)social media. These are not fake news or made up stuff, we are talking about human lives here that FB has on its (seemingly non-existentant) conscience! For that alone I would never want anything to do with FB or any other similar kind of service.

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By in Belgium,

^ Facebook requires a login in privacy-sensitive countries only (say, Germany and Belgium) and is still open to view (and track you all over the place) in most other countries. While I am on Facebook, I won't be joining this group, for the aforementioned reasons, and will remain on the forum (and main site, obviously) only.

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By in Sweden,

@AustinPowers re: your question why use facebook if there's email/phone numbers.

Simple. I don't have the phone number or email of every single person I know. I do however, usually have their facebook details and can message them there. Sending a message on facebook is much faster and less complicated than sending an email, in my opinion.

Also, facebook groups are extremely useful, especially for students, people moving to new towns, backpackers, and so on and so forth.

That being said, I was born 94, so a good 17 years after you - perhaps it is just a generational thing. But for me, e-mails are spared for formal matters/contacting organizations, companies, etc.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think people are worrying unnecessarily. If you don't join the group you won't miss out on anything important. We certainly won't be posting exclusive content there.

It is being used by a different group of people to those that use the forum, that's clear to see already. Forum users are mostly hardcore AFOLs but that is not the case on Facebook, where the more casual fan is being engaged, and are interacting with others like themselves. That was the intention.

As for 'selling out' to Facebook, we've had a presence on there since 2009, so this is nothing new.

I am not expecting anyone who doesn't use/like the platform to start using it just for this, neither would I expect those who don't use it to understand why others do. However, it must provide something of benefit if 2.2 billion people use it monthly...

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By in United Kingdom,

I forgot facebook existed ???? a new group - how very 2009 ????

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By in United States,

I've just joined! :-)

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By in New Zealand,

Great news. We use a secret FB group for our local LUG communication. The local toy shop also posts all new LEGO sets to FB. I use FB to follow a few model train groups. I also belong to various web based forums. So the more channels of communication the better for my two favorite hobbies.

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By in Netherlands,

@Huw
Thanks dude!
It is official people, Huw said it. We are totally hardcore!

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By in United States,

Honestly I'm disappointed. I had thought that after all of Facebook's utterly unacceptable choices over the past years, communities that I value like this one would avoid it, or at least not hand Facebook more traffic and revenue.

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By in United States,

I just saw my email notification that the FB group privacy was changed from Public to Closed. Any particular reason why?

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By in Australia,

"@Zordboy: what's wrong with the current generation?"

I'm not sure, I was born in 1982.

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By in United Kingdom,

^^ Simply so that those that aren't members don't see your activity in it.

Someone asked for the change, I guess they want to keep their LEGO habit :-)

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By in Germany,

@Zordboy: wow.
Well, to each his/her own then.

I know I will stick to the "bargepole" approach when it comes to FB.

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By in Netherlands,

So, let's have a recap after 50 comments.
I have counted the likes people got who are negative or sceptical and the people who like it, including the posts by Huw.
The result:
262 are negative to this idea while 98 are supporting, that's 3 to 1.

Huw says that there are already hundreds supporting on FB. But Brickset has 200k members, so only 1% joined BS on FB.

Basically I think that hardcore LEGO fans who are already active on the forum don't want FB as another medium to interact with others. A forum is a place where you have to word your opinion in the way you want and get feedback. Facebook is like a door mat: you enter it, step over it, wipe your feet and go on. And FB is not really known for positive contributions to society in general...

My opinion is that Brickset made a serious mistake here. We have a saying here in Holland: Better turned halfway than completely gone.

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By in United States,

@AustinPowers: Nobody's "partnering" with anybody. Creating a page or group on Facebook doesn't require "partnering" with them any more than installing Microsoft Office requires "partnering" with Microsoft, or commenting here requires "partnering" with Brickset. Brickset is just one of many users of an existing product/service. And I mean, Brickset already had a Facebook page, so what's different about adding a Facebook group that functions as more of a gathering place?

Anyway, I waited a few days to join because recent interactions on the forums had made me nervous, but honestly seeing a rule that "degrading comments about things such as race, religion, culture, sexual orientation, gender or identity will not be tolerated" already makes this a fundamentally better place than the forums, so long as it's enforced!

Just the other day a transphobe on the forums seemed to be fairly comfortable leaving a pseudoscientific comments scoffing at the idea that sex/gender is anything other than a perfect binary division present from birth, and even making the absurd statement stating that women are biologically incapable of becoming marines, firefighters, or coast guard rescue workers unless held to lower standards than men: https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/comment/607630/#Comment_607630 It doesn't seem as though there was much pushback, either. :/

@dutchlegofan50: I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect any Facebook group's userbase after less than two days to compare favorably to Brickset's userbase after over a decade… particularly considering how many of those Brickset users are almost certainly inactive. According to the stats at the bottom of this very page, Brickset has only had 18389 active logins in the past 7 days, and only 7972 in the past 24 hours. That said, the Brickset Members Facebook group has 1,139 members already, so not nearly as unpopular as you seem to think!

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By in Norway,

For some reason I keep hearing the title of the article in the voice of those twins from The Shining - "Join us, so we can Facebook forever and ever..."

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By in Germany,

@Aanchir: remember I am no native speaker of the English language, so "partnering" might have been the wrong term, but it seemed appropriate to me. Perhaps "promoting" would have been better, now that I think about it. Who knows.

Speaking of which, I also didn't know Brickset had a FB presence already, like I said, I don't touch FB with a bargepole, especially after all their data scandals and their general disregard for decency in any way.

As you mention their guidelines, like you say, those are only worth something if enforced. As general practice shows, FB isn't interested in enforcing anything in order to protect victims of their "service".

The only thing they are interested in is abusing your data in order to make money. Which I wouldn't even mind - if they did it openly by having a big warning pop up when you try to log in saying something like

"Be reminded that we will use everything you reveal about yourself to make money off it. By entering / using our service you agree to totally surrender your privacy".

Would be interesting to see how many people would keep on using FB then. And don't try and tell me there are privacy settings. If you really believe those would keep FB from doing whatever they want with your data, then you are living in a dream world.

But like I said, to each his/her own. You seem to be comfortable with being abused by FB so there's obviously no harm done.

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By in United Kingdom,

While it's understandable to want to reach out to people who are only comfortable interacting inside FB, it is for that very reason why it should be avoided. It's basically rewarding a dynamic in which users can confine themselves to one or two platforms, while de-incentivising people from engaging more deeply with the wider web. With more users growing their habits and comfort zones this way, sites like Brickset will find that future users have been molded to stick to monopolistic platforms, making life increasingly less viable for independent websites such as Brickset.

It's very easy to say that Brickset is only catering to FB users here and not modifying its offerings for general users in any way, but it is playing an active role in the habit setting of the user base and it's a habit that undermines Brickset, the web and its users in the long run. Brickset has almost 8000 members precisely because web users feel its worthwhile and safe enough to register with an independent site.

And lastly, embedding into walled communities excludes people from participation, even if content is duplicated across channels, the conversations are not. The forums are open to everyone, and registering here doesn't involve yielding influence to a platform that continues to do so much damage.

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