Which is the best LEGO set released since 2020?

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As part of our 25th anniversary celebrations we've been conducting a knockout competition to determine which set you think is the best one released during the last five years, a period that has seen a massive increase in both the number of adult-oriented sets, and their average size.

Perhaps predictably, given the demographic of our audience, the final bout was contested between two sets that tap into our collective nostalgia for a time when LEGO was much simpler: 10497 Galaxy Explorer and 10305 Lion Knights' Castle.

I expected the result to be close but in fact there is a clear winner.

So, which has prevailed, Castle or Space? Find out after the break...


A total of 3,928 votes were cast.

  • 10497 Galaxy Explorer, 1,624 votes (41%)
  • 10305 Lion Knights' Castle, 2,304 votes (59%)

The winner, then, the set that you think is the best one released since 2020, is 10305 Lion Knights' Castle.

The homage to classic Castle saw off 21348 Dungeons & Dragons: Red Dragon's Tale in the first round, 10350 Tudor Corner in the quarter-finals, and 10316 The Lord of the Rings: Rivendell (surprisingly) in the semi-finals to reach the final in which it has easily slain the homage to classic Space.

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You will recall that the sixteen sets that contested the bouts were nominated by you, and it's interesting to now go back and compare the number of nominations with the result.

Set Votes Knocked out in
10316 The Lord of the Rings: Rivendell 577 Semi-finals
10305 Lion Knights' Castle 436 -
10497 Galaxy Explorer 249 Final
10333 The Lord of the Rings: Barad-dûr 150 First round
10350 Tudor Corner 141 Quarter-finals
10294 Titanic 139 Quarter-finals
71741 NINJAGO City Gardens 136 First round
21325 Medieval Blacksmith 115 Semi-finals
21348 Dungeons & Dragons: Red Dragon's Tale 101 First round
75290 Mos Eisley Cantina 90 Quarter-finals
76178 Daily Bugle 88 First round
75313 AT-AT 77 First round
77015 Temple of the Golden Idol 76 First round
10283 NASA Space Shuttle Discovery 72 Quarter-finals
10320 Eldorado Fortress 68 First round
21333 Vincent van Gogh - The Starry Night 65 First round

Now, I wonder which would win in a bout between the castle and the winner of the competition we conducted in 2020 to find the best set released since Brickset was founded (in 2000): 70620 NINJAGO City? Perhaps we should find out...

Thank you to everyone who votes and especially to those that advocated for sets: the contest would not have been as much fun without your input. I hope you've all enjoyed it as much as we here at Brickset Towers have.

110 comments on this article

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By in Germany,

Even though I am on Team Classic Space I am happy with the result. It's a worthy winner.
And the best thing is, this title doesn't take anything away from the awesomeness of the Galaxy Explorer.
Neither does it take away anything from the looks of Rivendell, or any of the positive aspects of all the other sets that were in the running.

Therefore, everyone who wanted a different outcome - relax and chill. In the end it was just a fun contest where there's no real loser anyway.

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By in Germany,

@Huw: one interesting idea might be to re-run this competition, but explicitly only for sets with an RRP of up to 50 Dollar/Euro.
Because it's much harder to make an awesome set at a budget so affordable.

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By in United States,

@AustinPowers said:
"Even though I am on Team Classic Space I am happy with the result. It's a worthy winner.
And the best thing is, this title doesn't take anything away from the awesomeness of the Galaxy Explorer.
Neither does it take away anything from the looks of Rivendell, or any of the positive aspects of all the other sets that were in the running.

Therefore, everyone who wanted a different outcome - relax and chill. In the end it was just a fun contest where there's no real loser anyway. "


Indeed. I'm more disappointed at the margin of victory than I am that the GE lost. And I'm glad that the finals came down to two sets homaging classic themes, rather than two licensed sets.

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By in Portugal,

Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising.

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By in France,

@GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!

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By in United Kingdom,

I ended up voting for the Galaxy Explorer, but only because I was a Space kid back in the 80s. For me it really ended up being a decision of heart over head. But, yes, LKC is a certainly worthy winner.

Also, a big thank-you to Huw and the team for running the competition. I'm already looking forward to seeing what sets are released between now and 2030...!

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By in United Kingdom,

"They chose poorly."

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By in United Kingdom,

You look at the amazing sets the Lion Knights castle beat to win, it is clearly a worthy winner even though I voted for the Galaxy Explorer.

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By in Germany,

A little tidbit regarding classic sets.
I was at my mother's house yesterday because in a couple of weeks the roof will get renovated, so I had to clear out the attic.
Many of the boxes I hadn't looked into for years or even decades.
When I opened one of them I got a huge surprise: my parents had kept quite a few of the boxes of my childhood LEGO sets, and I was pleasantly surprised to find so many in good condition. Most were carefully flattened for easier storage, but you could easily put them back into shape.
There was even the box of one of my Classic Space stations I treasured as a kid (6971), even including the clear plastic inlay with the Classic Space logo.
Made my day :-)

Interesting by the way to see that some boxes still had the original price stickers attached, showing how expensive LEGO was even back then.

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By in Germany,

I am glad Castle won, it is indeed a great set.

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By in United Kingdom,

My vote was for Vincent van Gogh - The Starry Night

I wish we, as a community, were more open to new ideas and sets rather than still being nostalgia-baited by TLG

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By in United Kingdom,

Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally.

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By in Netherlands,

Not my choice, but a winner I can live with. Happy an original theme won, not some IP. And still happy the cheapest set of all contenders made it to the final. Bit surprised by the margin though....

And yes, I do really like that idea of another competition for cheap sets! I can already think of quite a few good contenders.

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By in Albania,

While my candidate didn’t win, still a worthy set won!

Though I would have one complaint about the contest: it took almost two months to conduct. At some points I even forgot that it was still going on.

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By in Germany,

@Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

Beyond nostalgia, which I am sure plays a role, I think this is a good observation and a valid point. Though I'd also think (more of a gut feeling) that many who like one of these dimensions/themes also like the other.

Regarding "general" Lego buyers, I'd say have a look at what gets produced a lot or every year (e.g., police and fire fighting vehicles) and Lego's yearly report. That lists the most popular themes. The one for 2024 lists Icons (which can be anything and everything), Star Wars, Technic, City, and Harry Potter.

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By in Spain,

A well-deserved winner. By the way, I love the rosette (or cockade... escarapela in spanish), @huw . It would be nice to add it to the sets that have won a Brickset competition...

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By in Belgium,

Although my vote went to the Galaxy Explorer, the Lion Knights’ Castle is a very deserving winner. It really captures everything a Lego set should be: a fun build, great design, lots of room for storytelling and for me personality…it brings back a lot of good memories.

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By in United Kingdom,

I was expecting this to be much closer too, though not surprised to see the castle win.

I second @AustinPowers call for a re-run using price divisions. Its not really fair to sets a £300+ X thousand part set against some of the smaller budget ones afterall.

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By in Germany,

Quite what I expected. Now, we'll need a "best since 2025" poll in 2030.

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By in United Kingdom,

@darthnorman said:
"I am glad Castle won, it is indeed a great set."

ICONS won. There isn't a Castle theme any more!

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By in United Kingdom,

I wonder how many people complaining about bias would be making the same complaints if their favourite had won?

Like, there’s definitely a discussion to be had on the merits of a large, expensive set that might can use more inventive techniques due to its size versus small sets that actually fulfil the role of toy better and which constitutes the Best Set, but so many of the negative comments read as sour grapes

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By in United Kingdom,

@MrSmartyPants said:
"My vote was for Vincent van Gogh - The Starry Night

I wish we, as a community, were more open to new ideas and sets rather than still being nostalgia-baited by TLG"


The community (whatever that is) is open to new ideas, as those sets get voted for through IDEAS and get selected by LEGO. They have also followed it up with the Sunflowers. They would not have done that if LEGO buyers were not open to buying that type of set. Look at how Botanicals have taken off. That was a new idea and has become very popular.

A set that you like not winning the best set in five years doesn't mean consumers are not open to new ideas. There is no way The Starry Night is the best set of the past five years. It doesn't do anything apart from hang on a wall.

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By in United States,

@Angel_Clanger said:
""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer.

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By in Netherlands,

I would say an unworthy winner had it not beaten Rivendell in it's trajectory to this winning position.

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By in Canada,

I prefer the Bricklink Forest stronghold or castle in the forest. Smaller and more detailed. Lion Knight’s Castle is nostalgic in that the bricks used are simple, but techniques and pieces available have advanced. It’s stuck in the past.

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By in Netherlands,

Congratulations to Lion Knights' Castle!

Like others have commented, I would have loved to build something like this when I was growing up.

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By in United Kingdom,

@morvit said:
"I prefer the Bricklink Forest stronghold or castle in the forest. Smaller and more detailed. Lion Knight’s Castle is nostalgic in that the bricks used are simple, but techniques and pieces available have advanced. It’s stuck in the past."

The BDP sets have given us way better castles than LEGO will ever do. I think it is down to LEGO playing it safe with official sets, in that the designs are rather traditional, solid builds. They tend to be predominantly studs up with multiple studs attached to create a relatively strong structure that isn't going to fall apart during building or play. Whereas anyone used to BDP or that MOCs is more used to the level of detail that can be added if you go off the official script, and do things in a way that LEGO designers would not use in an official set.

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By in Netherlands,

@MrSmartyPants said:
"My vote was for Vincent van Gogh - The Starry Night

I wish we, as a community, were more open to new ideas and sets rather than still being nostalgia-baited by TLG"


Interesting and perhaps unintended juxtaposition, considering The Starry Night is a LEGOfication of a 19th century painting. However, once you're over 30, it becomes hard to resist nostalgia.

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By in United Kingdom,

A worthy winner.

I think a lot of the conflict surrounding this competion would have been negated if, instead of being titled 'Best Set', it was titled 'Favourite Set'.

It's fair to argue someones opinion of what constitutes 'Best' but there's no arguing what is someones 'Favourite'.

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By in United States,

Wow I thought Galaxy Explorer would win for sure, but like others I’m not disappointed. My brother had some Castle sets and they were cool.

And of course, All Parts Are Space Parts. But I didn’t buy six Castles. I bought six Galaxy Explorers!

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By in Sweden,

The problem is that I now want more of these. I own four, and I will almost assuredly buy four more.

Damn you, Huw! :)

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By in United States,

Of the 16 sets, I own 3. Ninjago City Gardens (my first set out of my dark ages), Eldorado Fortress and Galaxy Explorer. My brother owns the Lion Knights Castle. So we decided to trade our big sets so we each could experience them and the build experience. All I can say is that, while Ninjago City Gardens is so visually different than the castle, the build experience of both is a 10/10. It is truly difficult to understand why the Lion Knights Castle is the “best set since 2020” until you have built it for yourself.

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By in Belgium,

@AustinPowers said:
" @Huw: one interesting idea might be to re-run this competition, but explicitly only for sets with an RRP of up to 50 Dollar/Euro.
Because it's much harder to make an awesome set at a budget so affordable. "

@Huw: I second this motion.

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By in United Kingdom,

A little secret: I'm actually a Space fan to the end. I had a whole story I could tell about the original Galaxy Explorer (I think I alluded to it in my article) but I had to realign to the LKC instead. It was remarkably easy to be enthused about it.

I kept on thinking about how well it combined with other medieval sets recently (and the D&D one, and those minifigs), and after each realisation I thought "But you don't need that - it has it all there just by itself".

It also goes well with a Lego City layout (if you imagine it to be in a European setting) with tourists looking around and re-enactments taking place. That's a slightly different vibe but the scale works.

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By in United States,

@bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter.

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By in United Kingdom,

Huh. While I personally definitely prefer the castle over the ship - albeit specifically because I find a detailed building with a nice cast of figures far more appealing for play, storytelling, and display than I would a vehicle, rather than due to any specifics of the sets themselves (neither of which I own) - I am quite honestly surprised by this result. Judging by the comments on the voting article, I was certain the spaceship was the easy winner with how many people seemed to be rooting for it.

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By in Netherlands,

And on that day, 41% of the Brickset-audience furiously dumped their collection on BL and went over to Playmobilset instead.

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By in United Kingdom,

I am surprised by the result because I was fully expecting the space ship considering all the comments I've seen during the vote. While it's not my favourite set, I am pleased the castle won.

It would be interesting to get very picky and pit all the castles against each other, bricklink included.

Intricacy of a build matters to me, length of construction time, the story behind it. I loved building the collosseum, even though it repeated itself a lot, it was still an interesting build. And the more pricey a set, inevitably the more interesting a build, more often than not.

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By in Canada,

Well, that was fun. I don't agree with the result, but overall I enjoyed this competition, so thanks Brickset!

It might be interesting to have another such competition for sets under 100$/playsets. They were - for justifiable reasons I think - forgotten in this competition but many deserve consideration.

The best thing about this competition is that it was a good opportunity to rethink about several sets I had not necessarily thought about for a while. That'd be fun to do with sets under 100$/playsets.

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By in United Kingdom,

is it a good set? Yes I won't argue that. Is it the best set to have been released since 2020? I disagree

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By in United States,

I do think that Rivendell would have beat GE by a wider margin

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By in Canada,

I’m a galaxy explorer fan but forgot to vote.

I like the castle and I’m glad it won.
No nostalgia at all, but because it has a construction technique that we no longer see enough : SMOT (studs mostly on top). And bricks! Most recent sets are built from plates and brackets, with complex (but interesting) techniques. This castle is a better ‘part pack’ to build other things, especially for less experienced builders.

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By in United States,

@TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany.

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By in United States,

Frankly I'm just happy its something non-licensed.

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By in United States,

I actually thought the Galaxy Explorer was going to win, even though I voted for the LKC, so I'm pleased with these results. I still like 10316 more than LKC, though.

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By in France,

Clearly not the best set of the last 5 years, so it is probably time to change the title of this competition or the way it is organized. And thanks for including the nominations ranking which shows that Rivendell would have easily won if there had been only one round of voting between all 16 sets at the same time :-)

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By in United States,

While I'm content with the winner, I still feel the contest lacking any of the Bonsai/Botanicals was a failure in the nomination process. Those sets have really propelled and grown "AFOL" beyond being just a small set of us niche nerds.

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By in United Kingdom,

There are kits I like more and less, but all of the entrants were exceptional examples of their type. No such thing as an unworthy winner with a line up like that - even if it isn’t my favourite.

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By in United States,

Of course the Castle won. Yes, I did vote for it. It's pure nostalgia that's a fun and imaginative playset. Not to mention a great building experience with features and wonderful minifigs. Man, I wish I owned it.

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By in United States,

Thank goodness though I like some aspect of explorer. I don’t think it’s was even a top 10 set in the year it released much less last 5 years. I think best 5 in last 5 are D & D the 2 big LOTR sets, lion knight and titantic. My biggest knock on explorer is it didn’t sell as well as a lot of retailers expected which speaks to its appeal IMO. I saw these as cheap as $40 a great set will never be 60% off. Black Friday walmart had them at $50 and that’s when I picked up a few copies.

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By in United States,

I'm so glad the Castle won. I had an amazing experience building it and was thrilled with the result. From box opening to the final product, it was a delight to build. And that's why I voted for it. When I put the Galaxy Explorer together, I had a very hard time. It just seemed off to me, and when I picked it up, it fell apart. I took it apart completely and rebuilt it, same result. Maybe it there was something wrong with one of the pieces, maybe it was missing something, maybe it was builder's error...but I absolutely did not enjoy that experience and it went into a sack and ended up at my local charity shop. The Castle, however, has pride of place, both on my shelf and in my heart.

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By in United States,

I also think Rivendell would have won if it was one round voting. Or if it was similar to some HOF voting where there are rounds/ ballots but it’s you can vote for as many as you want first round say there 20 sets you can vote for 10-or 15 of your favorites. Then later 2nd 3rd round your vote counts are more limited.

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By in Canada,

I'll take a 2nd place finish for my favourite set, no problem! Excellent final matchup!

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By in United States,

@MrSmartyPants said:
"My vote was for Vincent van Gogh - The Starry Night

I wish we, as a community, were more open to new ideas and sets rather than still being nostalgia-baited by TLG"


Username checks out.

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By in United States,

Well, Space Mafia, at least we tried…

Congratulations to Lion Knights' Castle! A worthy winner, indeed.

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By in South Korea,

Whichever set won from among all the nominations, it's cool. This is ultimately a matter of opinion and doesn't really matter in the long run. I have many of the sets nominated and enjoy them all. Anyone who gets bent out of shape about this...surely you must have something better to do with your time.

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By in Canada,

I am not surprised at the winner (I voted GE). I am surprised at the margins. Respectful win!
Now, time to get that Castle before it retires.

Basically, all Lego has to do is put a traditional theme set in a yellow box and it's good enough for me - how about that for nostalgia? Aside from LKC (which I'll get soon) I managed to get all the recent old-style yellow box sets. I still buy new sets with interesting building techniques - I also try to buy at least one set form each theme just to see what its all about - but it is interesting to revisit the main themes when the minifig started. I was not into Pirates and Castle back then but I discover these themes nowadays through these nostalgia-fueled sets. And I'll take a re-imagined set any day rather then a re-issue. More please!

I also second the idea of redoing this for sets under a certain threshold ($50 and $100 were proposed so far)

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By in Italy,

*meanwhile, in a dimly lit alley*

"Hey LKC, that's a very beautiful and prestigious award you got there. Shame if something terrible happened to it."

The LKC strained to make out the dark figure, but could only see the shadow of a double tank of some sort slung on its back. LKC quickened its pace.

"We'll see ya 'round castle man."

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By in United States,

@yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'

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By in Germany,

Considering that the Galaxy Explorer is 100% nostalgia bait, while the Lion Kings castle is actually a good looking castle, this outcome doesn't really surprise me.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Murdoch17 said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'"


You lost today, Space. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it

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By in United States,

@Brickalili said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'"


You lost today, Space. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it"


GE, I'm sorry. They got us.

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By in United Kingdom,

Much as I think Rivendell's the right answer, it would have been sad had a licensed theme won this contest. Lion Knights castle is doubtless a worthy a winner!

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By in United States,

@yellowcastle said:
" @Brickalili said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'"


You lost today, Space. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it"


GE, I'm sorry. They got us."


This is a castle, and it does have many tapestries, but if it's better than the GE, then I am Mickey Mouse!

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By in United States,

Congrats to LKC! I voted for the Galaxy Explorer in the end, but it was a tough choice and I'm not disappointed.
That said, I can finally confirm that we have voted for Brickset's favorite set since 2020, not the best one. LKC is a great set - I voted for it over Rivendell, even - but it is not the best by any objective measure. Both LKC and GE have good minifigs, lots of playable functions, cool aesthetics, and an excellent building experience, but the GE costs 1/4 as much as LKC. This makes it more accessible to kids, who are and must remain LEGO's core audience, because they are the key to LEGO's future success. So, objectively, the GE is the better LEGO set (not THE best, mind you, just better).

This doesn't mean that LKC is bad! As I said, both of the finalists are excellent sets and I like them both. Nor does it mean that every LEGO set has to be accessible to your average child - but if a set is going to claim to be "the best LEGO set," it must also succeed on that front.

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By in Finland,

A very worthy winner! I voted for the Galaxy Explorer but it was very difficult to choose because both sets are fantastic.

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By in Germany,

@ak41984 said:
"Thank goodness though I like some aspect of explorer. I don’t think it’s was even a top 10 set in the year it released much less last 5 years. I think best 5 in last 5 are D & D the 2 big LOTR sets, lion knight and titantic. My biggest knock on explorer is it didn’t sell as well as a lot of retailers expected which speaks to its appeal IMO. I saw these as cheap as $40 a great set will never be 60% off. Black Friday walmart had them at $50 and that’s when I picked up a few copies. "
This is where I envy you so much. Over here it was just the opposite. The set was very hard to get because it was almost constantly sold out at every shop I tried. Didn't help that it was only available directly from LEGO and from Smyths (or for absurd scalper prices on ebay - up to 250 Euro!)
Therefore there were almost zero discounts either. Of the three I got, one I paid the RRP and the other two were 10 Euro off. That was the best deal to be had over here.
At 60% off I would have bought ten, or more.

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By in United States,

@BOBJACK_JACKBOB said:
"A worthy winner.

I think a lot of the conflict surrounding this competion would have been negated if, instead of being titled 'Best Set', it was titled 'Favourite Set'.

It's fair to argue someones opinion of what constitutes 'Best' but there's no arguing what is someones 'Favourite'."


"Favourite Set" would cause just as much conflict as would the correct spelling "Favorite Set" ;-)

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By in France,

"I expected the result to be close but in fact there is a clear winner."
That's it, Galaxy Explorer won with 80% of the votes.

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By in Spain,

Rivendell has been avenged!

Go castle mafia!

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By in United States,

I’m a little mystified at the rampant dislike-bordering-on-self-righteous-disdain for licensed IP.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but didn’t LEGO Star Wars save LEGO from going out of business? Would there be the LKC and GE sets without Star Wars? Why be belligerent towards rather than appreciative of licensed IP when it has literally made collecting LEGO possible?

I think the dismissive attitude blinds the holders of it to the fact that the licensed IP sets are designed by all the same designers that work with the home-grown IP sets. IP is IP; whether licensed or internal, all IP has rules and boundaries within which designers must operate, and generally speaking they all do amazing work representing the IP, but a lot of it is unfairly dismissed out-of-hand simply because it’s licensed. In my opinion, Mos Eisley Cantena, NINJAGO City Gardens (NINJAGO is practically a licensed IP), Rivendell, and my unabashed favorite Daily Bugle are all amazingly vibrant, action-packed (they can have lively arguments in Rivendell), intricately detailed, and fun for anyone who is interested in their respective worlds. People who aren’t interested in the subject matter can at least appreciate that each is an excellent example of the LEGO designer’s art.

OT: Titanic, Discovery, and The Starry Night are great examples of what can be done with LEGO, make no mistake, but they felt out-of-place in this competition. Amazing display pieces though they are, they aren’t any fun. Maybe there should be a separate competition for sets that are all display, no play.

Yeah, I know this is flame bait, but the dismissiveness towards licensed IP is off-putting so I’m bringing it up.

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By in Germany,

Here's what TLG will conclude from this poll: just make more adult licensed sets for new target audience, because AFOL's complain too much and don't have any space left in their homes for more nostalgic themed sets anyway.

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By in United States,

@R0Sch said:
"Here's what TLG will conclude from this poll: just make more adult licensed sets for new target audience, because AFOL's complain too much and don't have any space left in their homes for more nostalgic themed sets anyway."

I'm pretty sure the only poll Lego pays attention to is individual set sales. I would give my left nose to see that data. Maybe Lego could release it 20 years after sets retire?

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By in United Kingdom,

I loooove Galaxy Explorer, but I voted for Lion Knights Castle. It’s that good.

This is the right result.

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By in Netherlands,

@Rimefang said:
" @BOBJACK_JACKBOB said:
"A worthy winner.

I think a lot of the conflict surrounding this competion would have been negated if, instead of being titled 'Best Set', it was titled 'Favourite Set'.

It's fair to argue someones opinion of what constitutes 'Best' but there's no arguing what is someones 'Favourite'."


"Favourite Set" would cause just as much conflict as would the correct spelling "Favorite Set" ;-)"


You spelled "incorrect" incorrectly.

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By in Germany,

Thanks for running a great and interesting competition. Though it did drag on a bit, it was a lot of fun and interesting to read so many different opinions. I was quite amused as the various Mafias sprang back to life and personally found the lingo quite funny.
As has been mentioned in numerous comments - 'best' is very vague for a category.
As can be seen from reader reviews, the categories of :
- Building experience
- Parts
- Playability
- Value for money
are all important and should contribute to the 'Overall Rating'. I don't think Brickseters did this so meticulously. I know I didn't. But I did contemplate, perhaps too seriously, the values of Playability versus Display. Or that if a set should aim to achieve a good portion of both.
Also nostalgia-baiting for us is like shooting fish in a barrel. ..... But if it is executed extremely well, then WIN WIN for everyone.

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By in United Kingdom,

As Roy Orbison sang
“…All the rainbows in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows anymore

Setting suns before they fall
Echo to you, "That's all, that's all"
But you'll see lonely sunsets after all

It's over, it's over, it's over
It's bricking ooooooooveerrr!!!!”

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By in Canada,

@AustinPowers said:
" @ak41984 said:
"Thank goodness though I like some aspect of explorer. I don’t think it’s was even a top 10 set in the year it released much less last 5 years. I think best 5 in last 5 are D & D the 2 big LOTR sets, lion knight and titantic. My biggest knock on explorer is it didn’t sell as well as a lot of retailers expected which speaks to its appeal IMO. I saw these as cheap as $40 a great set will never be 60% off. Black Friday walmart had them at $50 and that’s when I picked up a few copies. "
This is where I envy you so much. Over here it was just the opposite. The set was very hard to get because it was almost constantly sold out at every shop I tried. Didn't help that it was only available directly from LEGO and from Smyths (or for absurd scalper prices on ebay - up to 250 Euro!)
Therefore there were almost zero discounts either. Of the three I got, one I paid the RRP and the other two were 10 Euro off. That was the best deal to be had over here.
At 60% off I would have bought ten, or more. "


This is indeed weird. Here also (in Canada), this set was nowhere to be seen - I ordered mine directly from Lego. If I would have to come with some negative points about 10497, it would be: (1) the set was not sold widely enough, (2) the set did not remained on the shelf long enough (16 months according to BriskSet) - I would have bought more.

If Lego would like to shut down the 'Spacemafia' group-craze forever, it would be fairly easy to do: create a set called "Every Spacemen is Awesome in 15 different colours" and keep it on the shelf for at least 3 years. After that, just release a trans-yellow piece from time to time. The AFOLs will load up on those over 3 years - the new kids don't care much about that design and a few trans-yellow parts allow the fans to create their own things.

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By in Poland,

@Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

It reflects the society on the whole. Many more people choose humanities over STEM, fantasy books over science fiction etc.

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By in United States,

@HOBBES said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @ak41984 said:
"Thank goodness though I like some aspect of explorer. I don’t think it’s was even a top 10 set in the year it released much less last 5 years. I think best 5 in last 5 are D & D the 2 big LOTR sets, lion knight and titantic. My biggest knock on explorer is it didn’t sell as well as a lot of retailers expected which speaks to its appeal IMO. I saw these as cheap as $40 a great set will never be 60% off. Black Friday walmart had them at $50 and that’s when I picked up a few copies. "
This is where I envy you so much. Over here it was just the opposite. The set was very hard to get because it was almost constantly sold out at every shop I tried. Didn't help that it was only available directly from LEGO and from Smyths (or for absurd scalper prices on ebay - up to 250 Euro!)
Therefore there were almost zero discounts either. Of the three I got, one I paid the RRP and the other two were 10 Euro off. That was the best deal to be had over here.
At 60% off I would have bought ten, or more. "


This is indeed weird. Here also (in Canada), this set was nowhere to be seen - I ordered mine directly from Lego. If I would have to come with some negative points about 10497, it would be: (1) the set was not sold widely enough, (2) the set did not remained on the shelf long enough (16 months according to BriskSet) - I would have bought more.

If Lego would like to shut down the 'Spacemafia' group-craze forever, it would be fairly easy to do: create a set called "Every Spacemen is Awesome in 15 different colours" and keep it on the shelf for at least 3 years. After that, just release a trans-yellow piece from time to time. The AFOLs will load up on those over 3 years - the new kids don't care much about that design and a few trans-yellow parts allow the fans to create their own things."


I believe it was a Walmart exclusive here and they ordered it in droves. As such, many (not me) benefited from some healthy clearance discounts. I have a hard time passing any LEGO on clearance, let alone something classic. I almost bought a 2nd Boutique Hotel as I was so moved by the Amazon Day sale. Almost.

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By in United States,

@GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

2nd most expensive ;)

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By in Germany,

@HOBBES : seems that the US was the only major market where the set was available in quantity. Sadly it also appears to be the market where there was the least interest in it. They should have had more stock for countries like Canada or Germany where there was loads of interest, so they wouldn't have had to sell the set at huge discounts in order to move stock.

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By in United States,

@Volfogg said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

2nd most expensive ;)"


Third, overall.

I really don't understand why people continue to proclaim 10305 - Lion Knights' Castle won due to nostalgia. At this point, I can only assume it's because they're not sure what the word actually means. In order for it to have won for that reason, it would've needed to have resembled or been a remake of a set that people owned in the past so that it triggered strong, earlier memories with which sentiment was attached, e.g., 10497 - Galaxy Explorer or 10320 - Eldorado Fortress.

Lion Knights' Castle, by contrast, was a brand new set with homages to the earlier castle theme. That is all. To declare otherwise would require one to stretch the word "nostalgia" so much that it takes on a much broader definition. However, at that point, someone could reasonably label every set involved in the competition as being nostalgic--whether because it's associated with an existing intellectual property or because we, as adults, are nostalgic of our time spent playing with LEGO itself.

It's also worth keeping in mind that nostalgia can go both ways. In fact, I think it's more common for nostalgia to play against new offerings, as is often the case with reboots of television shows and movies.

Point is, it's nonsense.

I believe it won because it nearly perfectly encapsulates what LEGO is meant to embody.

From the perspective of a kid, it's a huge, fun and imaginative play set with numerous working features, hidden areas, Easter eggs, interesting minifigures, etc., and for adults, it's an interesting and fun build without excessive repetition, can be expanded upon or modded with relative ease without the baggage that comes with changing sets based on an intellectual property, it has a wide selection of useful parts both common and uncommon, and it makes for a perfectly adequate and imposing display on its own.

I think all of the sets in the competition were great sets in their own way but none of them captured all of those points as well as Lion Knights' Castle.

In fact, if you look at the sets objectively, many of them don't even capture half of that criteria. The NASA shuttle and Starry Night can be captured much, much better in different formats. Sure, Starry Night represented in the LEGO format is impressive but to proclaim it's the best set is mind-boggling.

In the future, it might be worthwhile providing some criteria for people to consider while voting. It seems that some people don't really consider the LEGO format itself when they vote. However, that's just my opinion. Maybe there was some other objective in mind with this that I'm not seeing.

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By in United States,

@BLProductions said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @Brickalili said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'"


You lost today, Space. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it"


GE, I'm sorry. They got us."


This is a castle, and it does have many tapestries, but if it's better than the GE, then I am Mickey Mouse!"


I didn't know you could fly a spaceship.

Fly, yes. Land, no!

@MutoidMan said:"I’m a little mystified at the rampant dislike-bordering-on-self-righteous-disdain for licensed IP.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but didn’t LEGO Star Wars save LEGO from going out of business? Would there be the LKC and GE sets without Star Wars? Why be belligerent towards rather than appreciative of licensed IP when it has literally made collecting LEGO possible?"


Two things: One, I don't have any problem with licensed themes per se, but I'm still glad that a non-licensed set won this thing. Two: Why do people keep saying Star wars saved Lego, when Bionicle had a huge part in that? Probably more of a one-two punch between those two themes, one licensed, one home-grown.

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By in Canada,

I think a (quicker and faster) under 50$ competition would be fun.

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By in United States,

@lordofthedreams9 said:
" @Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

It reflects the society on the whole. Many more people choose humanities over STEM, fantasy books over science fiction etc."


It's probably because the humanities and the arts encapsulate what it means to be human better than STEM, and everything we have now is built on what came before.

Above all, I think people know, at least on some level, that space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward world history, nature, our own inner worlds and primordial, Earth-based instinct than it does toward the emptiness of space and unknown.

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By in Singapore,

@Crux said:
"And on that day, 41% of the Brickset-audience furiously dumped their collection on BL and went over to Playmobilset instead."

I voted for the Spaceship, but also have the Lion Castle set. Plus I have 7 of the previous Creator Castle set and many of the Castle/Kingdoms themed sets.

And I also have the mid 90s Playmobil Castle set 3666 plus a couple of medieval sets and a bunch of knights figures so I'm good. :-)

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By in United States,

@Vesperas said:
" @lordofthedreams9 said:
" @Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

It reflects the society on the whole. Many more people choose humanities over STEM, fantasy books over science fiction etc."


It's probably because the humanities and the arts encapsulate what it means to be human better than STEM, and everything we have now is built on what came before.

Above all, I think people know, at least on some level, that space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward world history, nature, our own inner worlds and primordial, Earth-based instinct than it does toward the emptiness of space and unknown."


Couldn’t disagree more. STEM represents the human drive to explore the unknown, to strive to understand what we find, then to use that understanding to create new methods, tools, devices, and machines that enable us to move into the next unknown ad infinitum. STEM is how we will become a spacefaring civilization and ensure our survival. We must become a spacefaring civilization, or one rogue asteroid or supervolcano could wipe us out, rendering everyone’s accomplishments, struggles, failures, sacrifices, and lessons learned pointless.

Oh yeah, and without STEM there would be no LEGO. STEM FTW!

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By in United States,

@Vesperas said:
" @lordofthedreams9 said:
" @Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

It reflects the society on the whole. Many more people choose humanities over STEM, fantasy books over science fiction etc."


It's probably because the humanities and the arts encapsulate what it means to be human better than STEM, and everything we have now is built on what came before.

Above all, I think people know, at least on some level, that space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward world history, nature, our own inner worlds and primordial, Earth-based instinct than it does toward the emptiness of space and unknown."


Both of you have misinterpreted @Zander 's original comment, I think. He was pointing out that most of the top 16 sets in this poll fell into either a historical/fantasy (~7/16) or science/space (~4/16) category, and sets from those two categories lasted the longest in the poll, down to the final two. This suggests that historical/fantasy and science/sci-fi sets are the two most popular genres for LEGO sets, at least among Brickset AFOLs. That the castle set beat the spaceship set in the final is not that significant, and has nothing to do with an "art vs. science" perspective on real life. Let's not forget that silly "STEAM" concept getting pushed these days, which would merge those two together.

Also - "many people choose humanities over STEM" sounds like a pretty big assumption, and even if it were true, I'd attribute that to modern society's laziness: the humanities are easier degrees in school than the sciences. And,
"...space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward ... our own inner worlds ... than it does toward the emptiness of space...."
THAT is nonsense. Colonizing other planets is far-fetched and IMO impractical, but space travel is very real and has been ongoing for decades. As for our imagination, why is it that things like Star Trek, Star Wars, the moon landing, and LEGO Classic Space received so much attention and praise? Why did the ancient Greeks look to the stars and try to understand them? Why does so much of old literature refer to the heavens with curiosity and reverence? Space and the unknowns it presents have captured humans' imagination far more than any mundane thing on Earth ever has.

@MutoidMan said:
"STEM is how we will become a spacefaring civilization and ensure our survival. We must become a spacefaring civilization, or one rogue asteroid or supervolcano could wipe us out..."
I agree with the sentiment, but a spacefaring civilization seems highly unlikely. We'd have to achieve Star Trek levels of world peace before than would work. And the chances of a civilization-ending asteroid impacting Earth are pretty tiny, for a number of reasons. A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon.

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By in United States,

There's a lot of speculation in the comments, but the reason for this outcome is really very simple.

One of these sets included a cow, the other did not; all other considerations are meaningless given this distinction.

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By in United States,

@BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read.

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By in United States,

@TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @Brickalili said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @bengal said:
" @GusG said:
"Wow, the expensive one won. How suprising."

Fallacious thinking. Correlation doesn't imply causation.
And a lot of people usually consider value for money as a plus, so a moderate price for a great set, like for the Galaxy Explorer, is surely a positive for the set, rather than a negative.

Anyway, both finalists were absolutely worthy of winning, and I'm pleased this final could potentially remind Lego that so many fans still want Castle & Classic Space sets!"


Besides, if people were just automatically voting for the more expensive set in every poll, the final would have been AT-AT vs. Titanic.

@StudMuffin24 said:" @Angel_Clanger said:""They chose poorly.""

Only the penitent man shall vote for the Galaxy Explorer."


That's not the castle of a carpenter."


And this is how we say good set in Germany."


'my armies be the rocks and the trees - and the space sets in the sky!'"


You lost today, Space. But that doesn’t mean you have to like it"


GE, I'm sorry. They got us."


This is a castle, and it does have many tapestries, but if it's better than the GE, then I am Mickey Mouse!"


I didn't know you could fly a spaceship.

Fly, yes. Land, no!

@MutoidMan said:"I’m a little mystified at the rampant dislike-bordering-on-self-righteous-disdain for licensed IP.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but didn’t LEGO Star Wars save LEGO from going out of business? Would there be the LKC and GE sets without Star Wars? Why be belligerent towards rather than appreciative of licensed IP when it has literally made collecting LEGO possible?"


Two things: One, I don't have any problem with licensed themes per se, but I'm still glad that a non-licensed set won this thing. Two: Why do people keep saying Star wars saved Lego, when Bionicle had a huge part in that? Probably more of a one-two punch between those two themes, one licensed, one home-grown."


I think a lot of the reason people say Star Wars saved Lego is because Bionicle did help a bit, but the theme only ran from 2001 to 2016 and had 390 sets. Star Wars on the other hand started in 1999 and is still a current production theme with 1050 sets. I also believe Bionicle didn't really appeal to a very large group of people, myself included so few people consider it.

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By in Poland,

@BLProductions said:
"Let's not forget that silly "STEAM" concept getting pushed these days, which would merge those two together.

Also - "many people choose humanities over STEM" sounds like a pretty big assumption, and even if it were true, I'd attribute that to modern society's laziness: the humanities are easier degrees in school than the sciences."


STEAM concept does get pushed, but it has basically no real effect. It's more adding the "Art" part to STEM than the other way round.

I work at an university (I am a physicist at a faculty of Chemistry) and see how little candidates there are for STEM studies while there are wild crowds for humanities. There is also an issue with a lack of school teachers that is especially severe for STEM subjects. I don't think it's straightforward laziness. It's rather an effect of years and years of telling kids (not only by parents but also celebrities and politicians later in their life) Maths and Physics are hard and that's like self-fulfilling prophecy.

@Vesperas said:
"It's probably because the humanities and the arts encapsulate what it means to be human better than STEM, and everything we have now is built on what came before.

Above all, I think people know, at least on some level, that space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward world history, nature, our own inner worlds and primordial, Earth-based instinct than it does toward the emptiness of space and unknown."


Everything we have now (medicine, sewarage, transportation, buildings etc.) works on STEM. Also, nature runs on STEM - Physics and Chemistry fuel everything. But maybe mankind is just self-centered.

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By in Netherlands,

@TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go.

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By in Germany,

@lordofthedreams9 said:
"Everything we have now (medicine, sewarage, transportation, buildings etc.)... "
Yes, but apart from that,
What have the Romans ever done for us?
:-)

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By in Czechia,

@LuvsLEGO_Cool_J said:
"Of course the Castle won. Yes, I did vote for it. It's pure nostalgia that's a fun and imaginative playset. Not to mention a great building experience with features and wonderful minifigs. Man, I wish I owned it."

the building is kind of dull, like 40% of the building time, but its worth the result

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By in United Kingdom,

@BLProductions said:
"LKC is a great set - I voted for it over Rivendell, even - but it is not the best by any objective measure. Both LKC and GE have good minifigs, lots of playable functions, cool aesthetics, and an excellent building experience, but the GE costs 1/4 as much as LKC. This makes it more accessible to kids, who are and must remain LEGO's core audience, because they are the key to LEGO's future success. So, objectively, the GE is the better LEGO set (not THE best, mind you, just better). "

What objective measure would you use to rate the best? I cannot think of a single objective measure to determine the best. I can think of plenty of subjective measures and plenty of objective measures that measure other things (best selling, best ppp, best price per weight, etc) but not 'the best'.

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By in United States,

@BovineBrick said:"There's a lot of speculation in the comments, but the reason for this outcome is really very simple.

One of these sets included a cow, the other did not; all other considerations are meaningless given this distinction."


Username checks out.

@Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go."


Poor guy has to kill time by crawling around air vents all day.

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By in Netherlands,

@TheOtherMike said:
" @BovineBrick said:"There's a lot of speculation in the comments, but the reason for this outcome is really very simple.

One of these sets included a cow, the other did not; all other considerations are meaningless given this distinction."


Username checks out.

@Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go."


Poor guy has to kill time by crawling around air vents all day."


One Willis drills into the volcanic meteor in order to construct airvents, another Willis crawls through them barefoot to find the evil alien overlord at its center, whose soothing voice is so pleasant, you don't even notice until years later that he spoke without a hint of an accent _even though his backstory suggests that this seems like an oversight_. Why, he sounded a lot like Scar, from the Lion King! Huh. Weird.

The plot, such as it is, writes itself, although I wish it wouldn't. Let me have my meteor-strike!

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By in Netherlands,

@dudeski said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Huw: one interesting idea might be to re-run this competition, but explicitly only for sets with an RRP of up to 50 Dollar/Euro.
Because it's much harder to make an awesome set at a budget so affordable. "

@Huw: I second this motion.
"


Small sets are by default ignored even though within their theme they often provide more value and for their price point are better sets than more expensive ones.

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By in Belgium,

@MutoidMan said:
" @Vesperas said:
" @lordofthedreams9 said:
" @Zander said:
"Judging from the short list of 16, the votes each got initially, the rounds in which they were knocked out and the ultimate winner, I suspect there's a main underlying dimension and it's not nostalgia. I reckon it's Fantasy/History (Castle, Tolkien, D&D, Pirates etc) vs (Pseudo)Science (Classic Space, Star Wars, NASA etc). I wonder if that's only true of AFOLs or if it reflects LEGO buyers/recipients more generally."

It reflects the society on the whole. Many more people choose humanities over STEM, fantasy books over science fiction etc."


It's probably because the humanities and the arts encapsulate what it means to be human better than STEM, and everything we have now is built on what came before.

Above all, I think people know, at least on some level, that space travel and colonizing other planets is nonsense (because it is), so our imagination has a tendency to lean more toward world history, nature, our own inner worlds and primordial, Earth-based instinct than it does toward the emptiness of space and unknown."


Couldn’t disagree more. STEM represents the human drive to explore the unknown, to strive to understand what we find, then to use that understanding to create new methods, tools, devices, and machines that enable us to move into the next unknown ad infinitum. STEM is how we will become a spacefaring civilization and ensure our survival. We must become a spacefaring civilization, or one rogue asteroid or supervolcano could wipe us out, rendering everyone’s accomplishments, struggles, failures, sacrifices, and lessons learned pointless.

Oh yeah, and without STEM there would be no LEGO. STEM FTW! "


I feel it is incredibly inane to define fantasy and science fiction as opposites. Fiction is fiction, SF, fantasy, literary fiction, … they're all different (sub)genres that can also cross over into another's realms*. It is absurd that people's talents and tastes are to fit within these pre-defined boxes. Engineers are allowed to reads fantasy, and fantasy writers are allowed to watch Star Trek, historians may enjoy alternative history.

I realise the world's not exactly moving towards more freedom at this time in history. But if we're now categorising what forms of art one may enjoy, based on their occupations, and/or talents, rather than purely on their tastes, count me out.

We would indeed be nowhere without STEM, as would we be without the humanities. Both stem (!) from philosophy (Ancient Greek for 'the love of wisdom') and both are still intertwined.

Without a far more than basic understanding of maths and statistics (STEM), one cannot become a sociologist (humanities), I believe. On the other hand, literacy is more humanities-related and an absolute requirement for every scientist, regardless of their field.

Oh, and Star Wars is NOT science fiction, it's fantasy with droids and lasers. (It happened "a long time ago, in a galaxy far away" not in some scientifically motivated distant future.

* E.g. Most works of Stephen King are set within his SK Universe, with the more Fantasy-oriented Dark Tower series tying a lot of books together, some of which are horror stories, while others are thrillers or even adventure stories at the core. One has more literary qualities than another, though all are well-written, imho. Some works are books, others novellas or short stories, and some are screenplays. Other writers have also touched on this universe (most notably Peter Straub and Richard Chizmar).

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@TheOtherMike said:
"Why do people keep saying Star wars saved Lego, when Bionicle had a huge part in that? Probably more of a one-two punch between those two themes, one licensed, one home-grown."

People keep saying Star Wars saved LEGO because it’s true. Star Wars came first and was a huge success for LEGO. That success had a transformative impact on LEGO, and Star Wars had a tremendous influence on the creation and development of Bionicle. Interestingly, Bionicle was also influenced by Pokemon.

Here you go - this is a very interesting listen:

https://youtu.be/KerhcnOQujo?si=GZpZYGISNFylIZri

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This does not surprise me at all - I’ve felt for a long time that castle/medieval fans are a larger group than classic space fans (and I say this as one of the latter myself).

At any rate, I think this was a really fun and entertaining contest, and for me the competitive aspect was secondary to seeing all the discussion of all these beloved sets!

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@Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go."


Where are the extinction-level events we were promised? You mean the world we're living in? You know, that hot mess surrounding us? This orb rotating our nearest star, which gets messier and hotter every day? That ball on which species are dying out at an alarming rate? You know, the place where grown folks are escaping reality by playing with their toys and their kids'?

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@dudeski said:
" @Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go."


Where are the extinction-level events we were promised? You mean the world we're living in? You know, that hot mess surrounding us? This orb rotating our nearest star, which gets messier and hotter every day? That ball on which species are dying out at an alarming rate? You know, the place where grown folks are escaping reality by playing with their toys and their kids'?"


Not much of an event, more of an eventuality. I'm looking for a bang, not a whimper.

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@Crux said:
" @dudeski said:
" @Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @BLProductions said:"A supervolcano going off is also unlikely, at least anytime soon."

Look up the Yellowstone supervolcano some time. No one's saying it's going to go off any time soon, but it's an interesting read."


Yeah, yeah. You keep saying that. We've been promised meteor-strikes and catastrophic super-eruptions for decades, but it just never happens.

Nevermind hoverboards or jetpacks, where are the extinction-level events we were promised? I guess there's an army of cloned and frustratingly effective Bruce Willises we secretly keep throwing at these problems.

Quit it, Bruce. Let the roaches have a go."


Where are the extinction-level events we were promised? You mean the world we're living in? You know, that hot mess surrounding us? This orb rotating our nearest star, which gets messier and hotter every day? That ball on which species are dying out at an alarming rate? You know, the place where grown folks are escaping reality by playing with their toys and their kids'?"


Not much of an event, more of an eventuality. I'm looking for a bang, not a whimper."


Compared to long-term geological processes, 'events' occur over a much shorter span, though this "short" period can still be thousands or millions of years in geological terms. The current mass extinction being ongoing for just a couple hundred years, is thus most decidedly an 'event' in those terms.

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@lordofthedreams9 said:
"I work at an university (I am a physicist at a faculty of Chemistry) and see how little candidates there are for STEM studies while there are wild crowds for humanities. There is also an issue with a lack of school teachers that is especially severe for STEM subjects. I don't think it's straightforward laziness. It's rather an effect of years and years of telling kids (not only by parents but also celebrities and politicians later in their life) Maths and Physics are hard and that's like self-fulfilling prophecy."
Nice to meet a fellow physicist - though I'm once again on the student side of things, since I chose to finally get my Master's degree. And I agree - the stigma of "school (and later work) is bad" has been rampant in America for decades, and that has encouraged the laziness of which I spoke. It's very much self-fulfilling in that way, and likely intentional by those in power (who obviously don't understand physics). That said, at least in the US, the physics community has been trying to make physics more inviting to new students, and it seems to have had some effect - there are over 100 physics bachelor's students at my university (admittedly a tech school), with many more in closely-related fields. I doubt it will ever rival the humanities in numbers, though, just from looking at the number of sub-fields in each.

@CCC said:
"What objective measure would you use to rate the best?"
I used the term "objective" rather loosely there - what I mean is finding a set of criteria for "best" that is not simply "I like it" or "it's my favorite". An impartial analysis. To that end, I primarily tend to consider: completeness (does the model look finished?), building experience (how complex is it?), parts usage (how much does it rely on special molds and/or stickers/prints?), playability (what can you do with the finished model?), and affordability (particularly, could your average kid attain it, either with their own money or as a reasonable gift?). As I noted before, both LKC and GE have strong scores in the first 4 categories, but the GE is far more affordable. Arguably what rating one gives to each category remains somewhat subjective, but at least it's a consistent standard.

@dudeski said:
"Oh, and Star Wars is NOT science fiction, it's fantasy with droids and lasers."
Technically, Star Wars is neither of those. It's a Space Opera. ;) *ducks*

@dudeski also said:
"Where are the extinction-level events we were promised? You mean the world we're living in? ... This orb rotating our nearest star, which gets messier and hotter every day? That ball on which species are dying out at an alarming rate? ... The current mass extinction being ongoing for just a couple hundred years, is thus most decidedly an 'event' in those terms."
I think we're talking more of a cataclysm that wipes out most species of life on Earth quickly; e.g., the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. We aren't getting that now, and the Earth couldn't care less about humanity's own seemingly "world-ending" struggles against itself. Also, the Earth has been warming up for millennia and will continue to do so - we're still on the tail end of the last Ice Age. As these cycles progress, species come and go. It's been this way for 3 billion years. There's nothing "alarming" about it. Look up the carbon cycle.

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@BLProductions said:" @dudeski said:"Oh, and Star Wars is NOT science fiction, it's fantasy with droids and lasers."

Technically, Star Wars is neither of those. It's a Space Opera. ;) *ducks*"


No, it's science fantasy.

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I have no nostalgia for either set or theme. I did purchase GE on sale, but was disappointed in the outcome, the wings break apart very easily. The castle would then win by default between these two sets, but it's not something I would ever purchase.
For me neither of these are the "best set released". I much prefer Rivendell (purchased it day 1 release) and I'm not a LOTR fan!

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