Review: 10367 The Lord of the Rings: Balrog Book Nook

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Gandalf's defiant stand against Durin's Bane is an iconic scene from The Lord of the Rings and one with huge potential for a spectacular LEGO model. I am amazed it has taken so long, but a full-scale LEGO Balrog finally appears in 10367 The Lord of the Rings: Balrog Book Nook.

I must say, this is not the format I expected for the Balrog, which seems like it could be substantially bigger and more intimidating. However, framing the creature is a nice idea for display and the Khazad-dûm structure includes superb architectural detail, reflecting the location from The Fellowship of the Ring.

Summary

10367 The Lord of the Rings: Balrog Book Nook, 1,201 pieces.
£109.99 / $129.99 / €119.99 | 9.2p / 10.8c / 10.0c per piece.
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While the Balrog itself is quite appealing, this set should never have been a book nook

  • Balrog looks good, especially around the head
  • Excellent architectural detail
  • Clever wing mechanism
  • Book nook format requires many compromises
  • Moria frame seems superfluous
  • Needlessly expensive

The set was provided for review by LEGO. All opinions expressed are those of the author.

Minifigure

A new Gandalf the Grey minifigure was introduced in 10316 The Lord of the Rings: Rivendell, greatly improving on his original figure from 2012. The robe element used for the lower body is excellent and I think the beard and hair pieces work, even though they leave him looking similar to Albus Dumbledore in some regards.

Gandalf also appeared in 10354 The Lord of the Rings: The Shire earlier this year, featuring a new head with a serious expression. That was a confusing choice for The Shire, but was likely produced for this set and looks good, in case you want to remove the beard piece.

The minifigure is equipped with his staff and a sword, representing Glamdring. Rivendell and 10333 The Lord of the Rings: Barad-dûr both offered accessory packs with detailed weapons inside, so using a standard sword accessory for Glamdring is a bit disappointing, although the resemblance is certainly there.

The Completed Model

Given the 18+ focus of modern The Lord of the Rings sets, I have tended to favour a diorama similar to those from LEGO Star Wars for the Balrog scene. A book nook features many of the same qualities as a diorama, though its proportions are severely restricted, which has evidently affected how the Balrog is designed.

When viewed as intended, I like the contrast between the enormous Balrog and Gandalf in the foreground. Furthermore, this view conceals the Balrog's wings, which arguably makes it more faithful to Tolkien's description, rather than Peter Jackson's film adaptations, which is obviously appropriate for a book nook.

Like the aforementioned dioramas, this model includes a printed quotation tile attached to the front. "You shall not pass!" is undoubtedly the best choice, although I have always considered these tiles unnecessary on past dioramas and feel the same here. Nonetheless, the tile is well integrated and Gandalf looks splendid, even from behind.

Of course, the book nook is not designed to be shown from the sides or back, so these angles are far less detailed. However, all sides are neatly finished with either dark bluish grey or black tiles and only the Technic pieces supporting the wings look truly unsightly, so it is fortunate they are hidden.

I think the model looks far better when opened, measuring 43cm across and giving the Balrog greater presence with its wings extended. Also, this configuration better shows off the detailed Khazad-dûm environment and the flame effects, so it just reinforces my belief this should have been a traditional diorama.

The narrow Bridge of Khazad-dûm is suitably proportioned for Gandalf, although I wish it was raised a little more. In addition, you cannot really pose the Balrog as though stepping onto the bridge and the section directly beneath its feet is only marginally wider than the bridge, so I am not entirely satisfied with its stance.

Similarly, the flames around the Balrog are a bit strange. LEGO has rarely attempted flames of this size and I am glad the designer decided to build them rather than using the standard flame elements, but their curved shape looks unnatural and the flames should be denser.

On the other hand, the structure around the flames looks outstanding. The angular features of Dwarven architecture are instantly recognisable in LEGO form, greatly improving on 9473 The Mines of Moria from 2012, as expected. I love the 2x3 pentagonal tiles decorating the columns, plus the angled tiles on the braces between them.

A metallic silver 1x1 round plate is found on the back, representing mithril in the rock. Khazad-dûm owes much of its former considerable wealth to mithril mining, so this is a fun Easter egg.

Balrogs are creatures wrapped in shadow and flame, which evidently poses a major challenge for any LEGO rendition. Even onscreen, their form is deliberately unclear, but I am quite happy with this interpretation on the whole. The monster's proportions and black colour seem accurate, though more hints of flame around its body could have been effective.

Having said that, the dark orange, medium nougat and dark tan parts surrounding the Balrog give some impression of its fiery energy. The same technique was used in 10333 The Lord of the Rings: Barad-dûr and I think that example was slightly more successful, given the dramatic contrast between black and earthy shades on the tower, although this instance is great too.

The flexible plastic wings return from 40693 The Lord of the Rings: Fell Beast. Even though re-using components from a gift-with-purchase seems somehow wrong, the printed pattern works for a Balrog's indistinct wings. Additionally, I like how they move with the sides of the book nook, as each wing slots into the outer columns and links to Technic pieces behind the Balrog.

You can remove the Balrog if you choose, leaving behind the empty book nook. I am glad this option is available, although it highlights a potential alternative version of the set, focused only on Gandalf and the Balrog. Durin's Bane alone comprises 425 pieces, so including Gandalf and his base, which is removable from the book nook, I envisage the below costing around £44.99, $49.99 or €49.99.

The figure is highly articulated, including moveable ankles, hips, shoulders, elbows, wrists and fingers, while the head and wings are also adjustable. The articulation is another advantage of removing the Balrog from its book nook setting, as there is really not enough room for dynamic poses with the sides closed.

I love how the feet are designed, stabilising the Balrog and featuring fantastic dark bluish grey claws. In addition, the rounded arms and legs seem suitably powerful, although the light bluish grey ball joints on the wrists are annoying. The flaming whip could also be improved, given how tricky it is to position naturally.

The head, by contrast, is nearly flawless. The printed nostrils and eyes look fantastic and the opening mouth is brilliantly designed, with dark tan teeth and a fiery tongue inside. The horns are excellent too, reflecting their shape onscreen almost perfectly. The only issue is the limited downward movement, which prevents the Balrog from looking down at Gandalf.

Trans-orange 1x1 slopes and flames behind the Balrog's head provide a nice splash of colour, although the view from behind is otherwise somewhat spoilt by the Technic elements securing the wings. However, this mechanism is essential when the Balrog is mounted in the book nook and provides an excellent range of motion when the monster is displayed separately.

Overall

10367 The Lord of the Rings: Balrog Book Nook is a fascinating set, which is not necessarily a strength on this occasion. I am quite pleased with the Balrog and the Moria environment on the whole, as both are highly detailed and the Balrog's articulation is impressive. However, the book nook format is simply not necessary and actually harms the set, in my opinion.

Apart from looking generally insubstantial, including the Khazad-dûm structure to surround the Balrog has drastically inflated its price. £109.99, $129.99 or €119.99 seems very expensive for what is provided, but feels even worse because the whole frame is simply not required, despite its lovely architecture. The result is ultimately frustrating, especially having waited so long.

88 comments on this article

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By in United Kingdom,

How do we get fans what they want, but get them to pay a lot of money for it?
Wait, I have an idea.

You shall not piss, but I will certainly pass

Like the constructive review, though, thank you

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By in Spain,

The balrog looks good, the price not so much

Still I'll buy it, very iconic scene to me and the first time in lego shape

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By in Austria,

Glad to see it, happy to pass at that price or anything short of 40% discount.

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By in United Kingdom,

Still can't work out where all those pieces went, if the Balrog itself is just over 400. The more I see of this set, the more annoyed I am at the price

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By in United States,

While I like how the balrog and Gandalf look, overall this set is disappointing compared to the Sherlock Holmes Book Nook.

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By in United States,

Price seems reasonable given the amount of detail on everything. I’m just not sure I like it as a book nook.

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By in United Kingdom,

I think it looks good as a display set, but as a book nook, no. The frame as a cage looks off and makes the beast look confined and squashed. It's just too boring for me and too expensive.

I'd prefer a architectural style set with other scenes.

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By in United States,

I definitely noticed how goofy the flames look right away. Very unnatural.

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By in United States,

IMHO this is a swing and a miss. Hard core LOTR and Lego book-nook fans will certainly snap it up, but I'd imagine we'll be seeing this one on discount after a few months and that it will remain available on Lego.com for a long time as they work to clear out all the stock.

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By in United States,

I can't speak for everyone but when I encountered a flaming demon deep below the earth, the flames were indeed pitiful little orange squiggles.

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By in United Kingdom,

We should get a Streets of Minas Tirith booknook.

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By in Germany,

All I'm gonna say is that Gandalf is my favorite Jedi in Star Trek.

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By in United States,

I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom"

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By in United States,

@peterlmorris said:
"Price seems reasonable given the amount of detail on everything. I’m just not sure I like it as a book nook. "

Thinking like this about the ABSURD prices is what encourages Lego to upcharge 60% of what is reasonable on licensed sets unfortunately.

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By in United States,

Why is reusing parts from a gwp wrong?

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By in United States,

I like this set more than I expected, but still would've preferred it as a diorama. That being said, I'm glad they still included the quote tile.

Whenever I watch the films, the shapes at the base of the columns of Moria always looked like NEXO Knights shields to me, so I'm glad to see that parts usage here!

Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat.

The Balrog itself is a great build, and the printing for the face exceeded my expectations. The Fell Beast wings also don't bother me too much. Only the lack of some additional trans-orange bricks and of a flaming sword hold it back from being perfect, imo.

I like this set, but not enough to get it. I'm a huge LotR fan, but a LEGO Balrog isn't really something I want on display in my room, lol. I'm glad that LEGO finally decided to recreate this iconic scene, and am shocked that it took them this long. Still would've much preferred it to be a diorama or large playset, though.

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By in United States,

Fellowship Gandalf needs a unique hairpiece. It’s shameful they haven’t done this yet.

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By in United States,

It is odd to have film IP for a book nook especially when there are differences between the film depiction of the model and the actual books that would pair with it--even the quote is distinct to the films, not the books. As Tolkien wrote it, Gandalf said "You cannot pass!"

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By in United States,

@Pavell said:
"Still can't work out where all those pieces went, if the Balrog itself is just over 400. The more I see of this set, the more annoyed I am at the price"

You're forgetting the Gandalf minifigure, which includes no less than 200 midi-chlorian pieces itself.

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By in United Kingdom,

I personally think this set is pretty awesome. The scene is a great choice for a set, and I'm not sure how it could be rendered better at that piece count without removing the Moria columns to build up the bridge, and I prefer having the columns. I've always liked the design of those in the film, and having the dark orange, medium nougat and dark tan pieces to show the glow of the flames is a really effective technique. And the Balrog looks awesome, unlike many other brick-built creatures.

The price is a tad high, but after a 10-year Lego LOTR hiatus, I'm one of the people who will happily shell out for sets like this and The Shire, even though I rarely buy other sets without at least a 25% discount.

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By in United States,

I love the way the Balrog's head is built and I welcome the reuse of the Fell Beast wings! Now it'll be much easier to buy the parts needed to build one, whether you missed out on the original GWP or want to build another 8 for the rest of your Nazgûl.

I really like the book nook frame when it's opened up - the firelight effect looks stunning and it provides some great scenery. But I don't think it's very successful when it's folded up because this scene just doesn't fit the constraints of a book nook for me. It makes the scene too small and squished, not to mention dark when it's placed among volumes of books. I think a book nook version of Bag End or Lothlorien would have made more sense especially since they would really pop on a shelf.

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By in United States,

10354 : "apologise"

What a frustrating set. I would have easily paid $50 for just the Balrog and Gandalf as indicated in the review, and here we go with almost tripling the price for a bunch of grey bricks.

Remember me? I'm one of the jerks who bought the Shire. I will indeed pass on this one.

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By in Canada,

What's that going to cost in Canada? $160? I don't see that value here. I see like $80 CDN of value here. I don't see this doing super well, but then there ARE a lot of LoTR Lego fans...

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By in United States,

Yes, price is a concern. I'll pick it up eventually if I can find a sale (which seems to be rare whenever it is a set I actually want). I may wait too long and miss out, so I'll have to gauge that.

Otherwise, the build is fine. I'm not sure where the 1,200 pieces go, but I think they did a good job with the beast and even the framing. I'm even okay with the flames. I thought it was clever. But I don't think squished in a book nook is the right way to go. It needs a diorama like when the nook is splayed out.

But hey I'll welcome more LOTR. I just can't afford any of them *insert cry emoji here*

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By in United States,

@ninjabiomech said:
"Why is reusing parts from a gwp wrong?"

Because "eVerYthIng HAs tO bE eXclUsiVe sO onLy I hAve thIs sUper VAluaBle thInG anD nO OnE eLsE dOEs HA HA SUCKS TO BE YOU" apparently

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By in United States,

Book-nooks need full backs, especially here to show a forced perspective of the deep hall and a lighter color so the all black Balrog can stand out more.
They ‘cheated’ with the box art illustration showing the glowing fire anchoring the model, giving it more life and depth than it really has when built.

On a shelf, the all black creature with books to the sides will always be in shadow with little contrast.
Not enough flame or fire elements to make him stand out.
Maybe simply, include more of the fire elements that they had to the sides, to the back.

The Balrog itself is like one of the mech action figures. I love those, but here at this size/scale the Balrog looks too 'kiddish'.
They should've had him very detailed, some flame, fire printing or even stickers on him ala' Surtur from the Thor set 76289 Thor vs. Surtur Construction Figure.
Include a flame sword (again like from the Thor Surtur set) to give play options.

If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed.
We know Lego designers can do this.
They're the best in the business.
I guess the art direction and building to this price point is the culprit here.

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By in United Kingdom,

I don't think the Balrog should be any bigger. It is too big compared to the minifigure already.

I cannot see LEGO releasing it as just the Balrog and Gandalf at a lower price. If they had gone down the diorama route then all those bricks forming the structure and many more would have gone into the base and it would have ended up more expensive than the book nook format.

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By in Netherlands,

@yellowcastle said:
"I can't speak for everyone but when I encountered a flaming demon deep below the earth, the flames were indeed pitiful little orange squiggles."

76289 Thor vs. Surtur Construction Figure does the flaming creature look a lot better and that's a €30 set.

This just does not look good on a light background, and on a dark background the balrog would be nearly invisible, unless you add special lights+smoke.

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By in United Kingdom,

@AustinPowers said:
"All I'm gonna say is that Gandalf is my favorite Jedi in Star Trek. "

Patrick Stewart is a great actor.

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By in United States,

I don't personally want this set but I think it is an excellent design. Placing the Balrog within just a little bit of architecture and next to a minfigure gives it a much more impressive scale than it would have as a free-standing model, even if that model were a bit bigger.

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By in United Kingdom,

Very cool, but very pricey. Still tempting though.

What are the dimensions when closed?

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By in United States,

@WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom""

Not really. "Khazad" is well established as being "dwarves" in the Dwarvish language, and is used in numerous other contexts.

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By in United Kingdom,

@ninjabiomech said:
"Why is reusing parts from a gwp wrong?"

It is not exactly wrong, it just feels a bit strange to me to re-use parts created for a gift-with-purchase in a retail set. The wings were seemingly designed with the Fell Beast in mind and they suffice for the indistinct wings of the Balrog, but this process usually happens the other way around, re-using parts designed for a standard set for a promotional one.

Of course, the wings may have been developed for both, as gifts-with-purchase tend to have a relatively short development period, so I would not be at all surprised if 40693 The Lord of the Rings: Fell Beast was designed concurrently with this set.

@kolaxanthe said:
"Very cool, but very pricey. Still tempting though.

What are the dimensions when closed?"


14cm wide, 18cm deep and just under 23cm tall.

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 said:
@kolaxanthe said:
[[Very cool, but very pricey. Still tempting though.

What are the dimensions when closed?]]

14cm wide, 18cm deep and just under 23cm tall.]]

Thank you

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By in United States,

Keep in mind you're paying $80-90 for the nook frame. I'm going to pass on this one.

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By in Canada,

@Lasers said:
"What's that going to cost in Canada? $160? I don't see that value here. I see like $80 CDN of value here. I don't see this doing super well, but then there ARE a lot of LoTR Lego fans..."

It's actually $150 in Canada... still too expensive and not a set that interests me personally, but it's a more favorable exchange rate than we normally get!!

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By in United Kingdom,

@CCC said:
"I cannot see LEGO releasing it as just the Balrog and Gandalf at a lower price. If they had gone down the diorama route then all those bricks forming the structure and many more would have gone into the base and it would have ended up more expensive than the book nook format."

I agree that LEGO would not currently release a set only containing Gandalf and the Balrog, as that would not suit the 18+ branding and that market is evidently the focus for LEGO The Lord of the Rings at the moment, rightly or wrongly. However, a diorama could definitely have been cheaper than the book nook.

For a start, fewer columns would be needed, their size would be more flexible and they could be designed in a less parts-intensive way because they would not have to be as strong. Also, the wing structure on the Balrog could be much simpler without the need to move with the book nook, so some of those parts could be used elsewhere. A full-size base is not essential either. That is the case for Star Wars and essentially what I had envisaged, but other diorama formats are available. 71847 The Guardian Dragon would be an interesting starting point, for example.

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By in United States,

You say that you think the Balrog could be "bigger and more intimidating"... I'm not sure I agree, since much larger would be both more unwieldy for play and more inconvenient for display (appearing, as it does, mainly in an underground scene). The size they've chosen seems pretty great to me, towering over minifigures like Gandalf here while still being small enough to reasonably build a display around.

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By in New Zealand,

I really like this, a lot. People are complaining too much.

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By in Austria,

@tne328 said:
" @WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom""

Not really. "Khazad" is well established as being "dwarves" in the Dwarvish language, and is used in numerous other contexts."


Not to mention Tolkien's obsession with language. That would be incredibly basic for him lol.

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By in Canada,

I have very little interest in this set and I believe the beast should have a bit more fire (trans-orange) parts near the mouth,around the head (despite the apparently flawless head) and on the torso - maybe even a light piece to emphasize it (a bit like the eye of Sauron). Limited resources dictate that I cannot collect all themes but I really like Rivendell (If I manage to get one of the series that'll be that one).

But, if the cloth parts for the wings are to be available on PAB then, you could potentially build an army (squad) of Fell Beast 40693. Let's hope - the wings of D&D's red dragon are available (but quite expensive) on PAB.

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By in United States,

@Austin_Powers Get. Out.

;)

@dimc said:
" @tne328 said:
" @WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom""

Not really. "Khazad" is well established as being "dwarves" in the Dwarvish language, and is used in numerous other contexts."


Not to mention Tolkien's obsession with language. That would be incredibly basic for him lol. "


Well, some have accused the professor of some fairly basic names, though usually it’s when we get the Common Speech versions. Naming Sauron’s volcano “Mount Doom”, for instance, or the fact that the bearded tree giant is named “Treebeard”. (Who I hope is in the docket for an upcoming set, by the way.)

I really liked the design Lego came up with for the Balrog in the video games back in the day, and I think this version could have benefited from some cues from that. The whip looked rather more impressive, among other things.

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By in United States,

@Lyichir said:
"You say that you think the Balrog could be "bigger and more intimidating"... I'm not sure I agree, since much larger would be both more unwieldy for play and more inconvenient for display (appearing, as it does, mainly in an underground scene). The size they've chosen seems pretty great to me, towering over minifigures like Gandalf here while still being small enough to reasonably build a display around."

I think it does need to be bigger, only because of this - the more I look at, the more I see that its head is very oversized compared to its body. This Balrog is a little too chonky.

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By in Canada,

@dimc said:
" @tne328 said:
" @WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom""

Not really. "Khazad" is well established as being "dwarves" in the Dwarvish language, and is used in numerous other contexts."


Not to mention Tolkien's obsession with language. That would be incredibly basic for him lol. "


treebeard

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By in United States,

Good review. I have also watched and read other reviews, and they leave me conflicted.

The designer interview video with Thiago indicates that the wings were reused and not designed with this set in mind. That is beneficial for me (and, my Fellbeast failure), but isn't very rewarding to Minute One Barad-Dûr purchasors. The wings could definitely use some flame accents at this price.

Likewise, Gandalf the Reused is hardly acceptable at this price. The grey back technic pieces on Bally are also unacceptable.

The book nook format stinks. As a book lover with almost as big a book problem as a Lego storage problem, I don't want inflated sets that have to be designed to "hold up books." Moreover, I have no room on my bookshelves. This set should've been closer to 71847.

That said, I don't hate this set. When opened, it is larger and more impressive than anticipated. The flames are lame. Yet, the brightened accents are effective. It will take a discount or really good GWP before I take the plunge into the chasm with this Balrog of Morgoth.

Don't buy, you fools!

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By in United States,

@WolfpackBricksStudios said:
" @ninjabiomech said:
"Why is reusing parts from a gwp wrong?"

Because "eVerYthIng HAs tO bE eXclUsiVe sO onLy I hAve thIs sUper VAluaBle thInG anD nO OnE eLsE dOEs HA HA SUCKS TO BE YOU" apparently"

The dedication it took to write that is impressive. The sentiment not so much. :o)

@Maxbricks14
"I really like this, a lot. People are complaining too much."
I really don't like this, a lot. People are complaining the right amount.

@StyleCounselor
"It will take a discount or really good GWP before I take the plunge into the chasm with this Balrog of Morgoth."
I could just lose the GWP for you right now if that would help?

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By in United States,

@legoDad42 said:
"... If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed..."

Z-Millenials have books???!!! That they actually READ????!!!!!

Perhaps, all is not lost then, my good Frodo.

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By in United States,

I'm really disappointed in this one.

I'd prefer book ends over book nook and when this is in nook fan it looks fine.

But opened up it just is incredibly lacking. The flames look bad. The gray parts for Moira are good, but overall it's just severely lacking.

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By in Czechia,

At first I was afraid of the price, because 130 USD + VAT (21% in my country) is about 157 USD, but now I see that sellers offer the set for a total price equal to 111 USD, that doesn't look so bad anymore. I agree with the author of the review that this set would be better by being made as part of a diorama series. And the flames seem too "artsy" to me. I was also expecting a unique print for Gandalf, but I can live with that. The last thumb down is for the whip, it doesn't look dangerous at all.

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By in United States,

@StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
"... If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed..."

Z-Millenials have books???!!! That they actually READ????!!!!!

Perhaps, all is not lost then, my good Frodo."


I know hard to believe but true. My son and his friends (teens to early 20's), have book collections too. They collect like everything. They're into VHS tapes, lps (obviously), old video games, etc.

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By in United States,

@legoDad42 said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
"... If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed..."

Z-Millenials have books???!!! That they actually READ????!!!!!

Perhaps, all is not lost then, my good Frodo."


I know hard to believe but true. My son and his friends (teens to early 20's), have book collections too. They collect like everything. They're into VHS tapes, lps (obviously), old video games, etc."


Sounds like a good kid. Vinyl rocks.

Mine is 18, and can't get his butt off to college soon enough (seriously though, I'm gonna cry). He does have a dusty book collection (almost exclusively, items that I bought).

He's going into Philo 101, so this summer he's been carting around an Existentialism Anthology. He still is on his phone far, far more than the book. :(

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By in United States,

@yellowcastle said:
" @WolfpackBricksStudios said:
" @ninjabiomech said:
"Why is reusing parts from a gwp wrong?"

Because "eVerYthIng HAs tO bE eXclUsiVe sO onLy I hAve thIs sUper VAluaBle thInG anD nO OnE eLsE dOEs HA HA SUCKS TO BE YOU" apparently"

The dedication it took to write that is impressive. The sentiment not so much. :o)

@Maxbricks14
"I really like this, a lot. People are complaining too much."
I really don't like this, a lot. People are complaining the right amount.

@StyleCounselor
"It will take a discount or really good GWP before I take the plunge into the chasm with this Balrog of Morgoth."
I could just lose the GWP for you right now if that would help?"


Something happened that involved a condom, a Lego account, and a time machine. I think I'm already having exclusive GWP orders canceled before they are even designed!

I'm also apparently my own grandfather, who was a Lego fanatic, I hear.

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By in United States,

I think the Balrog's head looks awful, personally. Just a handful of pieces, his face looks so dumb and round.

They should've made the entire creature bigger, and his head would've been able to be more complex.

Easy pass, and I'm a huge LotR fan.

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By in United Kingdom,

@TeriXeri said:
" @yellowcastle said:
"I can't speak for everyone but when I encountered a flaming demon deep below the earth, the flames were indeed pitiful little orange squiggles."

76289 Thor vs. Surtur Construction Figure does the flaming creature look a lot better and that's a €30 set."

My current balrog is a modded Surtur. The moment the Book Nook balrog is released and indefinitely thereafter, I will be… continuing to use my Surtur as a balrog. It captures the balrog’s monstrousness so much more effectively than the official one. It’s a shame, really.

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I'm probably in the minority here, but even though it's a good set that I really want, I cannot justify the cost here. So like the servant of the Secret Fire himself, I must make a stand against these exorbitant prices.

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@BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Remember, though, that Gandalf chews through a few of those over the course of the trilogy. Offhand, I know one is taken from him by Saruman, and he has to leave it behind in his escape. This one is apparently left in Khazad-dûm. He drops both sword and staff when he gets yanked off the bridge, but we only ever seen him recover Glamdring during the long fall into the lake, and the staff is nowhere to be seen at battle's end on the mountaintop. Gandalf the White has yet another staff, when he appears to the three searchers in the forest. Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five. Anyways, I think this one would look better if they used a 3L bar instead of 4L, so the staff is closer to being the same height as the minifig.

@8BrickMario said:
"It is odd to have film IP for a book nook especially when there are differences between the film depiction of the model and the actual books that would pair with it--even the quote is distinct to the films, not the books. As Tolkien wrote it, Gandalf said "You cannot pass!""

Checking the dimensions as best I can (they list the open dims, not the closed ones), it looks like this stands about 1" taller than a DVD case, and will stick out about 6 studs past the edge. I think it would look great sandwiched between the Extended Editions of The Hobbit and LotR, which, conveniently, are designed to look like leatherbound book covers.

@Lasers said:
"What's that going to cost in Canada?"

Canadarm and a leg?

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@StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
"... If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed..."

Z-Millenials have books???!!! That they actually READ????!!!!!

Perhaps, all is not lost then, my good Frodo."


I know hard to believe but true. My son and his friends (teens to early 20's), have book collections too. They collect like everything. They're into VHS tapes, lps (obviously), old video games, etc."


Sounds like a good kid. Vinyl rocks.

Mine is 18, and can't get his butt off to college soon enough (seriously though, I'm gonna cry). He does have a dusty book collection (almost exclusively, items that I bought).

He's going into Philo 101, so this summer he's been carting around an Existentialism Anthology. He still is on his phone far, far more than the book. :("


Thx my friend.
Great, he's starting his new adventure at college!
I know the feeling, had a tear or two myself.
Same with mine, on the phone a lot but it's a swiss army knife. Great for everything. I read more than ever on my phone. Between Lego building of course 'ahem'.

Maybe get that anthology for him for the iPhone. And throw in Meditations by Marcus Aurelius while you're at it ;)
Best to your kid at college!

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@legoDad42 said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @legoDad42 said:
"... If this is targeting 20 to 30 somethings to adorn a shelf with their book collections, it needs to be much more detailed..."

Z-Millenials have books???!!! That they actually READ????!!!!!

Perhaps, all is not lost then, my good Frodo."


I know hard to believe but true. My son and his friends (teens to early 20's), have book collections too. They collect like everything. They're into VHS tapes, lps (obviously), old video games, etc."


Sounds like a good kid. Vinyl rocks.

Mine is 18, and can't get his butt off to college soon enough (seriously though, I'm gonna cry). He does have a dusty book collection (almost exclusively, items that I bought).

He's going into Philo 101, so this summer he's been carting around an Existentialism Anthology. He still is on his phone far, far more than the book. :("


Thx my friend.
Great, he's starting his new adventure at college!
I know the feeling, had a tear or two myself.
Same with mine, on the phone a lot but it's a swiss army knife. Great for everything. I read more than ever on my phone. Between Lego building of course 'ahem'.

Maybe get that anthology for him for the iPhone. And throw in Meditations by Marcus Aurelius while you're at it ;)
Best to your kid at college!"


Thank you for the kind words and update on your new adult. We all need to know that it works out regardless/in spite of our worry.

"Do you have a kid?"
"No. It's much worse. I have an adult!"

The reminder of MA is also much appreciated. My spoiled one has access to him and an entire library thanks to my lifetime of reading (I might have to move some Lego to get at Meditations). I do love the Stoics.

"The things you think about determine the quality of your mind. Your soul takes on the color of your thoughts."

Good luck with you and yours.

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@PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five."


In the Extended Edition of Return of the King, Gandalf looses his White Wizard staff during his standoff with the Witch-King (a scene that, when viewed with Tolkien's lore in context, makes no sense and leaves me cringing every time). He fights only with Glamdring at the Black Gate. He is then seen with another white staff — seemingly identical in design — during the movie's ending scene at the Grey Havens.

Yes, his staff in the Hobbit is indeed a separate staff, but he looses that one in The Desolation of Smaug. It's pretty much disintegrated during his contest with the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in Dol Goldur. After the White Council rescues Gandalf from Dol Goldur in The Battle of the Five Armies, Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf (again, Extended Edition only), seeing that the Grey Wizard will have the greater need of it. We're then meant to assume that this staff that Radagast gives him is the same one that Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship of the Ring.

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the book nook format is unique,interesting since based off books anyways.
brings it full circle back to books-, from movies shows ect.

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I think it looks great ! The only issue is the price, and I do not expect a GWP for this set, so for once I will wait to get it at a discount. I do not plan to use it as a book nook but rather to display it together with my Mines of Moria set :-)

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@BabuBrick said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five."


In the Extended Edition of Return of the King, Gandalf looses his White Wizard staff during his standoff with the Witch-King (a scene that, when viewed with Tolkien's lore in context, makes no sense and leaves me cringing every time). He fights only with Glamdring at the Black Gate. He is then seen with another white staff — seemingly identical in design — during the movie's ending scene at the Grey Havens.

Yes, his staff in the Hobbit is indeed a separate staff, but he looses that one in The Desolation of Smaug. It's pretty much disintegrated during his contest with the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in Dol Goldur. After the White Council rescues Gandalf from Dol Goldur in The Battle of the Five Armies, Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf (again, Extended Edition only), seeing that the Grey Wizard will have the greater need of it. We're then meant to assume that this staff that Radagast gives him is the same one that Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship of the Ring."


Not quite. Remember, he also loses his staff to Sarumon during the Wizard Battle at Orthanc.

Given Gandalf's propensity for losing his staff, I don't think there's any fair assumption other than his 'staff' is from some nearby convenient tree and he's undoubtedly about to lose another one.

Arnor: "Next time, try not to lose it."
Wielder of the Flame of Arnor: "Yes, master."
"This weapon is your life."
"I try, master."
"Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?"

(a short time later)
"Not again!"

(an even shorter time later)
"I am a slow learner."

(a miniscule moment of time later)
"Aaaaaaargh." (clutches arm stump)

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It's a cool set, don't get me wrong, but man it's so overpriced...

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@SearchlightRG said:
" @Austin_Powers Get. Out.

;)

@dimc said:
" @tne328 said:
" @WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"I can't help but wonder if Khazad-Dûm was meant to be a play on "chasm of doom""

Not really. "Khazad" is well established as being "dwarves" in the Dwarvish language, and is used in numerous other contexts."


Not to mention Tolkien's obsession with language. That would be incredibly basic for him lol. "


Well, some have accused the professor of some fairly basic names, though usually it’s when we get the Common Speech versions. Naming Sauron’s volcano “Mount Doom”, for instance, or the fact that the bearded tree giant is named “Treebeard”. (Who I hope is in the docket for an upcoming set, by the way.)

I really liked the design Lego came up with for the Balrog in the video games back in the day, and I think this version could have benefited from some cues from that. The whip looked rather more impressive, among other things."


As noted, Mount Doom is just the common name. The actual name is Orodruin. Same with Treebeard, who is named Fangorn. It's pretty rare that he didn't create deeper lore and language.

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@legoDad42 said:
"Same with mine, on the phone a lot but it's a swiss army knife. Great for everything. I read more than ever on my phone. Between Lego building of course 'ahem'."

I frequently use my phone *while* building Lego. Specifically, I watch/listen to my YouTube watch later playlist while building.

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@StyleCounselor said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five."


In the Extended Edition of Return of the King, Gandalf looses his White Wizard staff during his standoff with the Witch-King (a scene that, when viewed with Tolkien's lore in context, makes no sense and leaves me cringing every time). He fights only with Glamdring at the Black Gate. He is then seen with another white staff — seemingly identical in design — during the movie's ending scene at the Grey Havens.

Yes, his staff in the Hobbit is indeed a separate staff, but he looses that one in The Desolation of Smaug. It's pretty much disintegrated during his contest with the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in Dol Goldur. After the White Council rescues Gandalf from Dol Goldur in The Battle of the Five Armies, Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf (again, Extended Edition only), seeing that the Grey Wizard will have the greater need of it. We're then meant to assume that this staff that Radagast gives him is the same one that Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship of the Ring."


Not quite. Remember, he also loses his staff to Sarumon during the Wizard Battle at Orthanc.

Given Gandalf's propensity for losing his staff, I don't think there's any fair assumption other than his 'staff' is from some nearby convenient tree and he's undoubtedly about to lose another one.

Arnor: "Next time, try not to lose it."
Wielder of the Flame of Arnor: "Yes, master."
"This weapon is your life."
"I try, master."
"Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?"

(a short time later)
"Not again!"

(an even shorter time later)
"I am a slow learner."

(a miniscule moment of time later)
"Aaaaaaargh." (clutches arm stump)"


I said, “at the start of FotR,” not for the whole film. @PurpleDave already mentioned that he loses that staff (Radagast’s) to Saruman at Orthanc.

Also, you mentioned the Flame of Arnor. Arnor was the name of the northern Númenórean kingdom in Middle-earth. Gandalf wields the Flame of Anor.

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@BabuBrick:
Wow, it gets messier than I originally thought. According to a Screenrant article, this is every staff he’s seen using across six films:

1: He’s got what might be his _original_ staff at the beginning of The Hobbit. Loses it to the Necromancer (if the scene isn’t based on any original text, this may not have happened in the books).

2: Radagast gives him his _spare_ staff (apparently some wizards are more forward-thinking). At this point, it looks like dude just yoinked a sapling out of the ground and broke off the longest roots.

3: Supposedly he’s still using the same staff at the start of LotR, but either the root tangle has worn down, or he spent some time cleaning it up, so it doesn’t look the same as it did in the Battle of the Five Armies. Loses it to Saruman, but it’s never explicitly destroyed, so it may still be at Orthanc.

4: Gets a new staff in Rivendell. Book says it’s destroyed on the bridge, movie just shows that he lost it (where exactly it ended up is hard to say, but probably either still on the broken bridge, or fallen into the lake).

5: Either gets reincarnated with a new staff in hand (but no clothes), or possibly receives one from Galadriel (not sure how that fits into continuity). Loses it to the Witch-King.

6: And has what looks like the same staff, but bigger, when he boards the ship with Bilbo. Maybe repaired, maybe just a different staff with the same design. I know they used size-adjusted stand-ins early on to make the Hobbits and Gimli appear smaller, or the human-sized people appear larger, but supposedly they just used careful framing to trick the eye later on. Still, I have to wonder if maybe they accidentally gave him Big Gandalf’s staff by accident.

Still, the two Gollum films leave plenty of opportunity for him to lose more that we weren’t even aware of before.

@StyleCounselor:
I already mentioned that one, the Rivendell staff, and the white staff in an earlier post.

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@PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick:
Wow, it gets messier than I originally thought. According to a Screenrant article, this is every staff he’s seen using across six films:

1: He’s got what might be his _original_ staff at the beginning of The Hobbit. Loses it to the Necromancer (if the scene isn’t based on any original text, this may not have happened in the books).

2: Radagast gives him his _spare_ staff (apparently some wizards are more forward-thinking). At this point, it looks like dude just yoinked a sapling out of the ground and broke off the longest roots.

3: Supposedly he’s still using the same staff at the start of LotR, but either the root tangle has worn down, or he spent some time cleaning it up, so it doesn’t look the same as it did in the Battle of the Five Armies. Loses it to Saruman, but it’s never explicitly destroyed, so it may still be at Orthanc.

4: Gets a new staff in Rivendell. Book says it’s destroyed on the bridge, movie just shows that he lost it (where exactly it ended up is hard to say, but probably either still on the broken bridge, or fallen into the lake).

5: Either gets reincarnated with a new staff in hand (but no clothes), or possibly receives one from Galadriel (not sure how that fits into continuity). Loses it to the Witch-King.

6: And has what looks like the same staff, but bigger, when he boards the ship with Bilbo. Maybe repaired, maybe just a different staff with the same design. I know they used size-adjusted stand-ins early on to make the Hobbits and Gimli appear smaller, or the human-sized people appear larger, but supposedly they just used careful framing to trick the eye later on. Still, I have to wonder if maybe they accidentally gave him Big Gandalf’s staff by accident.

Still, the two Gollum films leave plenty of opportunity for him to lose more that we weren’t even aware of before.

@StyleCounselor:
I already mentioned that one, the Rivendell staff, and the white staff in an earlier post."


Nice. I’ll have to check out that article.

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@BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five."


In the Extended Edition of Return of the King, Gandalf looses his White Wizard staff during his standoff with the Witch-King (a scene that, when viewed with Tolkien's lore in context, makes no sense and leaves me cringing every time). He fights only with Glamdring at the Black Gate. He is then seen with another white staff — seemingly identical in design — during the movie's ending scene at the Grey Havens.

Yes, his staff in the Hobbit is indeed a separate staff, but he looses that one in The Desolation of Smaug. It's pretty much disintegrated during his contest with the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in Dol Goldur. After the White Council rescues Gandalf from Dol Goldur in The Battle of the Five Armies, Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf (again, Extended Edition only), seeing that the Grey Wizard will have the greater need of it. We're then meant to assume that this staff that Radagast gives him is the same one that Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship of the Ring."


Not quite. Remember, he also loses his staff to Sarumon during the Wizard Battle at Orthanc.

Given Gandalf's propensity for losing his staff, I don't think there's any fair assumption other than his 'staff' is from some nearby convenient tree and he's undoubtedly about to lose another one.

Arnor: "Next time, try not to lose it."
Wielder of the Flame of Arnor: "Yes, master."
"This weapon is your life."
"I try, master."
"Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?"

(a short time later)
"Not again!"

(an even shorter time later)
"I am a slow learner."

(a miniscule moment of time later)
"Aaaaaaargh." (clutches arm stump)"


I said, “at the start of FotR,” not for the whole film. @PurpleDave already mentioned that he loses that staff (Radagast’s) to Saruman at Orthanc.

Also, you mentioned the Flame of Arnor. Arnor was the name of the northern Númenórean kingdom in Middle-earth. Gandalf wields the Flame of Anor."


I'd say you both are wielding the staff of Anor with this, lol. :o)

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@yellowcastle said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Also, this is the first time that Gandalf has included his light crystal with his staff in a set, which is neat."

Supposedly he used at least two more in the LotR trilogy, but I can't think of where, or why. I think The Hobbit features at least one more, but I don't know if that's one of the five."


In the Extended Edition of Return of the King, Gandalf looses his White Wizard staff during his standoff with the Witch-King (a scene that, when viewed with Tolkien's lore in context, makes no sense and leaves me cringing every time). He fights only with Glamdring at the Black Gate. He is then seen with another white staff — seemingly identical in design — during the movie's ending scene at the Grey Havens.

Yes, his staff in the Hobbit is indeed a separate staff, but he looses that one in The Desolation of Smaug. It's pretty much disintegrated during his contest with the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in Dol Goldur. After the White Council rescues Gandalf from Dol Goldur in The Battle of the Five Armies, Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf (again, Extended Edition only), seeing that the Grey Wizard will have the greater need of it. We're then meant to assume that this staff that Radagast gives him is the same one that Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship of the Ring."


Not quite. Remember, he also loses his staff to Sarumon during the Wizard Battle at Orthanc.

Given Gandalf's propensity for losing his staff, I don't think there's any fair assumption other than his 'staff' is from some nearby convenient tree and he's undoubtedly about to lose another one.

Arnor: "Next time, try not to lose it."
Wielder of the Flame of Arnor: "Yes, master."
"This weapon is your life."
"I try, master."
"Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?"

(a short time later)
"Not again!"

(an even shorter time later)
"I am a slow learner."

(a miniscule moment of time later)
"Aaaaaaargh." (clutches arm stump)"


I said, “at the start of FotR,” not for the whole film. @PurpleDave already mentioned that he loses that staff (Radagast’s) to Saruman at Orthanc.

Also, you mentioned the Flame of Arnor. Arnor was the name of the northern Númenórean kingdom in Middle-earth. Gandalf wields the Flame of Anor."


I'd say you both are wielding the staff of Anor with this, lol. :o)"


But, what about the Shadowfax version?

So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves.

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@BabuBrick said:
"Nice. I’ll have to check out that article."

https://screenrant.com/lord-rings-movies-gandalf-staffs-grey-white-explained/

It does a good job of explaining when all the prop changes happen, but story wise there are still issues. They say five, but they count the White Staff and the Great White Staff as the same item, even though they’re apparently not even the same size, and the former is vaporized. I was thinking that might have been a retcon to explain why they don’t show him wielding it in the Black Gate battle, but then that would appear to have introduced a different continuity error if it’s really supposed to be the same one at the Grey Havens.

Then they count Radagast’s spare and the Fellowship staff as different, even while providing a plausible explanation for why they believe the two are the same staff. It’s entirely possible that he lost yet another staff between Five Armies and Fellowship, and we just haven’t seen anything that spells this out, but the article seems to count them as the same chunk of wood. So depending on how you interpret events, that’s 4, 5, 5, or 6 different sticks that he carries.

The Galadriel explanation bugs me, though. If he came back and interacted with someone like her, shouldn’t _she_ have jogged his memory before he mysteriously appears in Fangorn Forest? If he got reincarnated with supercharged authority (I’ve watched a video that basically suggest Grey is the “plausible deniability” version, while White is the “thumb on the scales” version because of how much the situation changed during the past few decades), it would make more sense that the staff was of divine origin, and was given to him as he was reincarnated.

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@StyleCounselor said:

"So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves. "


I shouldn’t have corrected you. If I offended you, I apologize. I appreciate your input.

BTW, your Anakin-Gandalf joke was really funny — the similarities had occurred to me as well, lol.

No hard feelings buddy, if there were any.

:)

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@BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:

"So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves. "


I shouldn’t have corrected you. If I offended you, I apologize. I appreciate your input.

BTW, your Anakin-Gandalf joke was really funny — the similarities had occurred to me as well, lol.

No hard feelings buddy, if there were any.

:)"


No worries, @StyleCounselor has surprisingly low midi-chlorians so even if offended, there's very little chance of a force choke.

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Even now that I do almost all my reading on Kindle, I don't have space on my bookshelves for a Book Nook, and I don't think this looks particularly good as one anyway. (Reminds me too much of the various Jurassic sets with a large dinosaur tightly constrained in a truck!) However, the extended version is quite handsome, even though I think adding more flames to the background would improve it. I also like the inclusion of the Fell Beast's wings--I refuse to have Barad-dur in my house, so did not get it, despite really liking the GWP. Now I have a chance to MOC my own version. Given this set is also much less expensive than the Shire--which I find tempting but not tempting enough to buy at the requested price--I will probably buy it, even though I agree that it doesn't give very good value for money.

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Wow. I don't usually follow what Marvel sets are available, but when I clicked to look at that Thor vs "basically Marvel Balrog" set someone mentioned and saw it was 30$ and even discounted to 20, it makes this look even more insane! That is basically the same set as this with a licensed theme and is 100$ cheaper.

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@yellowcastle said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:

"So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves. "


I shouldn’t have corrected you. If I offended you, I apologize. I appreciate your input.

BTW, your Anakin-Gandalf joke was really funny — the similarities had occurred to me as well, lol.

No hard feelings buddy, if there were any.

:)"


No worries, @StyleCounselor has surprisingly low midi-chlorians so even if offended, there's very little chance of a force choke."


No worries. I deserve some comeuppance more than most. Thanks for the compliment. All good.

My Force doesn't work that way, Yellow. It promotes joy and happiness, to an extent anyway. Let's just say YOU can expect another bundle of joy. ;)

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@yellowcastle said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:

"So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves. "


I shouldn’t have corrected you. If I offended you, I apologize. I appreciate your input.

BTW, your Anakin-Gandalf joke was really funny — the similarities had occurred to me as well, lol.

No hard feelings buddy, if there were any.

:)"


No worries, @StyleCounselor has surprisingly low midi-chlorians so even if offended, there's very little chance of a force choke."


Plus he probably wouldn’t notice if he’s been insulted anyways.

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@PurpleDave said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @BabuBrick said:
" @StyleCounselor said:

"So, it's me, now, that can't be bothered to read the entire Prof Purple Babu thread, and yet still bothers to put in his two cents. ;)

Never let the facts get in the way of good comedy. People need to laugh- especially at themselves. "


I shouldn’t have corrected you. If I offended you, I apologize. I appreciate your input.

BTW, your Anakin-Gandalf joke was really funny — the similarities had occurred to me as well, lol.

No hard feelings buddy, if there were any.

:)"


No worries, @StyleCounselor has surprisingly low midi-chlorians so even if offended, there's very little chance of a force choke."


Plus he probably wouldn’t notice if he’s been insulted anyways."


A most important skill indeed.

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The design of the columns is nice, but I otherwise don't find this set compelling.

That being said, I know that fans have been hoping for a Lego Balrog since Lego's first Lord of the Rings sets were released in 2012, so it's nice to see one finally arrive in the Lego world!

This set, 10351, and 76450 all came out around the same time, so it appears Lego is trying to get into the book nook market. I'm hoping for a "Journey to the West" book nook to tie in with Monkie Kid.

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@Maxbricks14 said:
"I really like this, a lot. People are complaining too much."

Took too long to find this comment and look at how highly rated it is. Seriously where is the problem? I'm not scrambling to get this, but it looks great and I like how it's designed to fit among my Tolkien novels.

This review says it's excessively priced, but how? Be realistic. It fits the golden 10.0 cents per piece ratio and also includes a $5 figure and special wing parts, plus it's licensed Lord of the Rings. I know folks like to think that it should come down to the weight of a set, but the molding of each individual piece, no matter how small, is a cost that shouldn't be discounted and will always be factored in. This reviewer also shows off the option to fold it up and actually get it to fit nicely on a bookshelf, but then also uses that function to tear it down? I'm imagining a friend seeing it among my books, then me pulling it out and opening it to show it off, LIKE A BOOK.

There will certainly be sale prices, too.

People just love bad news, or contrived bad news. This is a cool idea.

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@ItsTwentyBelow said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"I really like this, a lot. People are complaining too much."

Took too long to find this comment and look at how highly rated it is. Seriously where is the problem? I'm not scrambling to get this, but it looks great and I like how it's designed to fit among my Tolkien novels.

This review says it's excessively priced, but how? Be realistic. It fits the golden 10.0 cents per piece ratio and also includes a $5 figure and special wing parts, plus it's licensed Lord of the Rings. I know folks like to think that it should come down to the weight of a set, but the molding of each individual piece, no matter how small, is a cost that shouldn't be discounted and will always be factored in. This reviewer also shows off the option to fold it up and actually get it to fit nicely on a bookshelf, but then also uses that function to tear it down? I'm imagining a friend seeing it among my books, then me pulling it out and opening it to show it off, LIKE A BOOK.

There will certainly be sale prices, too.

People just love bad news, or contrived bad news. This is a cool idea."


Exactly this (mostly). A few years ago, many reviews got peppered with complaints about “price per stuff”. This is a metric that YouTubers got people hooked on, but it’s impossible to define objectively. And if you paid attention to the people who made those complaints, “stuff” was graded much more favorably for sets they thought looked cool, and very negatively if it wasn’t something that appealed to them. “I don’t like the design, so it’s overpriced,” is the most subjective metric you can come up with.

Take the 75330 Dagobah diorama. It’s $0.09/pc right out of the box, which prevailing opinion suggests is impossible for a SW set. Problem is, people didn’t want 183 trans-green 1x1 tiles, so they didn’t think it was fair to be charged for them. It still costs money to make them, and the set would look bad without them. I can respect someone looking at it and saying they don’t like it enough to drop $90 on it, but not when they say it’s overpriced because some of the parts don’t appeal to them.

However, in this case, while I do like the set for what it is, I still hope to someday see an all-out, max detail, minifig-scale Balrog, kind of like the line of pedestal-mounted fantasy creatures they’ve been doing for Harry Potter. I can like a playscale SW spacecraft and still also want the ultra-detailed UCS version, so it’s no different for the Balrog. The only problem I have with the price is that I kinda want to buy a second copy as a starting point to building a better Balrog, and that’s a hefty chunk of change to drop on a few printed parts, a couple foil elements, and a pile of common black elements (plus a bunch of other stuff that I won’t even be able to use for the Balrog). But I once bought a $50 Tiny Turbos set because I needed two small red bricks out of it, so I’ll probably suck it up and spring for a second copy of this regardless.

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@ItsTwentyBelow said:
"People just love bad news, or contrived bad news. This is a cool idea."
After dozens of critical comments across two articles, I find it a bit reductive if not dismissive to simply paint this as contrived bad news.

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@Lyichir said:
"You say that you think the Balrog could be "bigger and more intimidating"... I'm not sure I agree, since much larger would be both more unwieldy for play and more inconvenient for display (appearing, as it does, mainly in an underground scene). The size they've chosen seems pretty great to me, towering over minifigures like Gandalf here while still being small enough to reasonably build a display around."

The scale of the Balrog beside Gandalf is about accurate, although it is difficult to judge its precise size onscreen and perfect minifigure scaling is not essential. The trouble is that the Balrog has no real presence on display at this scale, particularly compared with many other creature-based sets.

Also, I am not convinced a larger model would inevitably be unwieldy for play. Play is clearly not a huge concern for an 18+ set like this, although you know as well as I do that there are myriad examples of much bigger two-legged creatures in NINJAGO, Monkie Kid and various other themes, plenty of which offer great stability and play value.

I do not see any significance to the Balrog belonging underground either. Again, there are countless examples of scenes and creatures that appear underground where their setting goes unacknowledged and it has not been an issue before. 71721 Skull Sorcerer's Dragon springs to mind.

I think a format like 71847 The Guardian Dragon would have worked, albeit maybe not that enormous and with a base that extends forward to include the Bridge of Khazad-dûm.

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@PurpleDave said:
"Exactly this (mostly). A few years ago, many reviews got peppered with complaints about “price per stuff”. This is a metric that YouTubers got people hooked on, but it’s impossible to define objectively. And if you paid attention to the people who made those complaints, “stuff” was graded much more favorably for sets they thought looked cool, and very negatively if it wasn’t something that appealed to them. “I don’t like the design, so it’s overpriced,” is the most subjective metric you can come up with.

Take the 75330 Dagobah diorama. It’s $0.09/pc right out of the box, which prevailing opinion suggests is impossible for a SW set. Problem is, people didn’t want 183 trans-green 1x1 tiles, so they didn’t think it was fair to be charged for them. It still costs money to make them, and the set would look bad without them. I can respect someone looking at it and saying they don’t like it enough to drop $90 on it, but not when they say it’s overpriced because some of the parts don’t appeal to them."


Value is both incredibly simple and extremely complicated. The 'price per stuff' metric you mention presumably relates to Jang's 'volume of stuff' consideration, which is an important factor. The most reliable way to judge value on a personal level is simply to look at a product and decide whether its size and content feels reasonable for the price. I realise that sounds absurdly basic, but that is the core issue.

Of course, value can be a far more complex consideration. The much vaunted ten cents/pence per piece can be a decent indicator of value on a very general level, but is not particularly useful when considered with greater depth. 75330 Dagobah Jedi Training Diorama is a good example towards one end of the spectrum, containing lots of the same small part that account for relatively little cost to LEGO. At the other end is something like 76975 T. rex River Escape, where the T. rex accounts for the majority of the $49.99 price.

While we can take the more complex factors into consideration as fans to some extent, it is almost impossible to account for everything. Off the top of my head, these are the factors I can think of:

Number of pieces
Balance of smaller and larger pieces
Manufacturing complexity of pieces
Inclusion of fabric or vinyl pieces
Number of different pieces
Number of different colours
Use of more and less expensive colours
Number of new moulds
Number of new colours
Number of new printed pieces
Potential re-usability of new pieces
Number of stickers
Number of minifigures
Number of new minifigures
Inclusion of bigfigs or other large characters and creatures
Physical set size
Licensing costs

I must also mention what I would term 'market factors'. Regional variation and the price a market is perceived to sustain, based on the likely desirability of a product, are just two of those.

I have no doubt there are others I am forgetting or unaware of and even if we knew all the relevant factors, we do not have enough information about their relative influence or cost to make a truly informed judgement.

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@CapnRex101:
Replying to both of your comments, in this case, height is the most critical dimension for appearance of scale. From the shot when Gandalf is straddling the Balrog’s chest while they’re falling, I’d say it’s maybe an inch too short. And the closed form of this set is distinct among the three Book Nooks in that it appears very much like what other members of the Fellowship would have seen looking back through the doorway towards the bridge.

“Volume of stuff” is a deceptive metric. You can take a set that builds a compact ball, throw out 20% of the parts, and use the rest to build a hollow structure with greater size. For the same cost, does the second model add more objective value? Absolutely not, but it tricks you into perceiving greater value. It’s the same metric that resulted in a mother complaining to us at a show about how her son got her to buy him an original DC’s Scarecrow minifig for I think $30, and how she’d expected for that price that it would be a lot bigger.

When it comes to sets, it’s important to remember that the cost of the plastic used to make a part is one of the least significant factors in determining how much that part costs to put on the store shelf, unless the size of the part is enormous like a baseplate (and even then, that’s not why baseplates cost so much). Labor to produce it costs more, transportation to deliver it to the stores costs more, and overhead on the store that you buy it from costs more. The difference in cost to put a 2x4 brick in your hand vs that of a 1x1 plate is negligible to the point that it won’t impact the MSRP of the set.

The one exception to this has historically been transparent parts, but that’s more tied to the fact that TLG has used transparent parts sparingly. The cost difference between running one shot of 1x1 plates in transparent vs opaque is lower than the difference with running one shot of opaque 2x4 bricks, but that’s not factoring in the cost of resetting the line for a different material, or having to produce a double set of molds to allow one shape to be made in both materials.

Basic sets tend to be filled with chunkier parts, but the price per piece tends to be fairly low compared to minifig-based themes, and yet there’s not more perceived value. The sets look simple compared to most minifig-based themes, as one should expect for sets built mostly of larger bricks. Put that in a licensed theme and people will complain that the design looks childish (which it does). Make a detailed model with smaller elements, and people will instead complain about the “volume of stuff” even when the aesthetics are significantly improved, precisely because they used smaller parts. All these 18+ sets get complaints about not being able to see where all these parts are, but that’s just a consequence of not wanting them to look like smaller Duplo models.

One factor that I’ve never seen anyone address is a trick that Disney uses in their theme parks. They have a range of attendance that they want to stay between, and when too many people keep showing up, they raise admission until it tempers interest enough to get it back in range. Kevin Hinkle once told me that he suggested the CMF MSRP should be raised, and that was back when it was $1.99 per. In just a few years, it had jumped to $4.99, so 150% price increase, and no other theme was seeing similar doubling of price. S1 was barely stocked by anyone. S2 saw wider release, but you still could hardly find them. By S4/S5, stores were grossly overpurchasing, and compensated by barely stocking S6. With wild fluctuations like that, it becomes a real logistics issue for manufacturing, so the CMF prices appear to have been spiked to the point where they sell at a solid, steady pace every release. Any perceived “licensing tax” almost certainly falls into the same category. SW Battle Packs used to be nearly impossible to get your hands on right after release because people were armybuilding those as fast as they could. If not that, it’s likely due to paying off single-use, IP-locked molds.

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I am probably in the minority here, but I don't care for the look of the Balrog. I'd like to see a proper set featuring it.

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"Needlessly expensive": I think its a perfect explanation for most LEGO sets, I get cheerleaders will talk about production this or that, tariffs, licensing, or price per part.. Its too expensive, period. LEGO was also cheaper before they felt that everything had to look like something other than a LEGO set. Way back when LEGO Star Wars initially came out, they were fairly well priced. Why? and no not just inflation, but a reduced palate of readily available parts and not needing much, if any, special treatment, and therefore easier to design the set... I'm sure people were out there whining 'Oh no it looked blocky'... you mean like a LEGO set?
Don't get me wrong, I like that LEGO sets have evolved to be more 'realistic' (as its also led to more things like increased animal parts and whatnot) but if it means having to pay another 10,20,30% more over the cost of if they just used other more easily produced, existing, parts but it make take away from the design a bit, umm, Ill take the latter.... And don't try to use a competition excuse either.. WHAT competition?! (other than knockoffs which will always be cheaper due to their insanely low labor and theft of IP).

LEGO could choose to make sets cheaper, both in design and in over all cost, and not necessarily by cutting corners, but it just seems like they just refuse to. Sure, people can keep making excuses, but LEGO has shown with a few sets each year that you can get a good looking set, with play value, for a good price (and sometimes under 20 dollars), but the rest? I mean look at most Star Wars sets now, aside from a very few sets per year, they are just ridiculously priced or just silly like the microfighters, and most larger sets are obviously meant for those with deep pockets.
Heck look at more 'basic' sets (looking at 'Creator' non mod sets), even those are more expensive than they should be, why? I think its simply that, again, using a crap load of tiny bricks to make it more realistic still and there is no competition, LEGO can really charge what they want (and appear to do so).
I just feel that LEGO no longer see fans of the product, they just see piggy banks.

I love LEGO, but my purchases of sets has really decreased to maybe a handful each year (like around 5) and mostly only for those themes I want to complete (Trains,Modular and Winter village), and usually if I can get some sort of deal on them (double points, sale (either at LEGO or Amazon), or GWP promo) that may even stop soon as their pricing is really out of hand to me.

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@madforLEGO:
Ultimately, they started hiring AFOLs to design their sets, and AFOLs try to design them like they make their MOCs, which is highly detailed. They're never going back to a time when a non-4+ SW set looks like what landed on the shelves in 1999. It's just not going to happen, because if it did, it wouldn't sell.

But that's not the reason I came back to this article. I don't know if anyone else will see it, but I thought people might be amused to see another take on the Balrog from the book:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lord-rings-middle-earth-forest-balrog-1984465756

Note that on the card back, it says the (non-canon) Forest Balrog is only 6' tall, so normal human height.

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