Yes, the new Speed Champions windscreen is dual-moulded!
Posted by CapnRex101,
Two of this summer's Speed Champions models include a new windscreen element with A-pillars, which has provoked conversation about whether this piece is printed or dual-moulded.
Understandably, I think fans may have assumed that the element would be printed because past Speed Champions cars have had printed windscreens, but I can confirm this piece is, in fact, dual-moulded! I have taken a few photos showing it from all sides to illustrate this.
The edges of the A-pillars and the band across the top of the windscreen are noticeably sharper than I would really expect for a printed part and the black areas continue onto the lip at the back of the windscreen, which would be unusual for printing. However, it is tricky to judge from certain angles because the black plastic refracts through the trans-clear, so I understand the confusion.
The biggest giveaway, not visible in any official images, is this mould mark on the back, where the black plastic is presumably injected during manufacture.
Of course, it would have been helpful to take these photos before I applied the sticker, which I would rather not remove, but seeing the windscreen from underneath shows where the plastic ends and the sticker begins.
I will also take this opportunity to mention that the windscreen is packaged in its own paper bag, which should minimise the risk of scratches. These are all relatively small changes, though they could open new possibilities for Speed Champions and the range always seems to find marginal improvements, which is part of the reason it is so impressive!
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And now we know why the price increased.
Great followup article to the prior one on the car. Thanks for addressing the debate in the comments!
This is the sort of meticulous analysis and attention to detail that I come to Brickset for. Excellent stuff @CapnRex101!
Cool, thank you very much for the clarification!
@BionicleGuard said:
"And now we know why the price increased."
Good thing that eventually Amazon discounts Speed Champions sets massively so that they can be had for between 15 and 20 Euro (this set is currently reduced to 21.39 Euro), which is a far more palatable price. Particularly for great sets like this or the BTTF DeLorean (currently 19.99 Euro, but was also 17.99 Euro a while ago).
Wouldn’t this actually be overmolded? (I know the community likes to use dual molded for every multi colored part)
Really nice part. A lot of classic windscreens lack A-pillars and C-pillars, so a part designed with those in mind is a great new option.
@TheBrickBulbasaur said:
"Wouldn’t this actually be overmolded? (I know the community likes to use dual molded for every multi colored part)"
I assume so. The trans-clear plastic is probably moulded first and the black plastic injected afterwards.
Gee, Bill! How come your mould lets you have TWO colours?
This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop.
This is very impressive! I wonder if we’ll ever see this for things like Star Wars canopy pieces
@B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? Can't find a recent SC set with chrome wheels in the database.
@AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
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All that work (and I appreciate it) but it’s still the wrong windshield piece for that car…
This would be very useful for models with white pillars, because the printing on those is notoriously terrible.
@TheBrickBulbasaur said:
"Wouldn’t this actually be overmolded? (I know the community likes to use dual molded for every multi colored part)"
All dual-molded LEGO parts fall into one of two categories. Early ones were blended in a single shot, like the Bohrok faceplates, and the Exo-Force spikes. And I think starting with the first Simpsons minifigs, most dual-molded parts are, yes, over-molded where one portion is molded first, part of the mold retracts to make room for a different section to take its place, and then the remainder of the part is molded around the first section.
@CapnRex101 said:
"I assume so. The trans-clear plastic is probably moulded first and the black plastic injected afterwards."
Every instance I’ve seen in person, molding the core section first would allow them to form some sort of bulb on the end that the other section will stay locked onto. Injecting a filling works fine with pastries, but here they’d have to be able to mold a shaped cavity if they were going to inject something afterwards. I would think a more likely possibility would be molding the black section first, but not closing the gate right away, or even leaving a sprue attached. Then the clear portion could be molded over the black, and the black section would then be disconnected from the mold or sprue like knocking off the punt when glassblowing.
@PurpleDave said:
" @CapnRex101 said:
"I assume so. The trans-clear plastic is probably moulded first and the black plastic injected afterwards."
Every instance I’ve seen in person, molding the core section first would allow them to form some sort of bulb on the end that the other section will stay locked onto. Injecting a filling works fine with pastries, but here they’d have to be able to mold a shaped cavity if they were going to inject something afterwards. I would think a more likely possibility would be molding the black section first, but not closing the gate right away, or even leaving a sprue attached. Then the clear portion could be molded over the black, and the black section would then be disconnected from the mold or sprue like knocking off the punt when glassblowing."
Possibly, but the only mould sprue I can see anywhere is the one on the back, which surely means that the black plastic was added afterwards. I would guess the trans-clear plastic is moulded with a long tab along the top of the windscreen and the black plastic then wraps around that.
@The_Cellarer said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
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You're absolutely right, I just found a couple of articles where the reviewer confirmed the wheels are actually chrome plated. Huzzah!
@JavaBrix said:
" @The_Cellarer said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
77260"
You're absolutely right, I just found a couple of articles where the reviewer confirmed the wheels are actually chrome plated. Huzzah!"
Wow, going by the render I would have bet that it's just flat silver. Doesn't look like chrome at all.
Funny since LEGO is infamous for false advertising in that they show stuff in their renders that isn't on the real thing. Most prominent example I can think of being the Mixels, where parts that were actually warm gold were clearly shown as metallic gold in the renders.
One would have thought that in this case they would have made a special point about the chrome.
@AustinPowers said:
" @JavaBrix said:
" @The_Cellarer said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
77260"
You're absolutely right, I just found a couple of articles where the reviewer confirmed the wheels are actually chrome plated. Huzzah!"
Wow, going by the render I would have bet that it's just flat silver. Doesn't look like chrome at all.
Funny since LEGO is infamous for false advertising in that they show stuff in their renders that isn't on the real thing. Most prominent example I can think of being the Mixels, where parts that were actually warm gold were clearly shown as metallic gold in the renders.
One would have thought that in this case they would have made a special point about the chrome. "
Jang on YouTube has a good video reviewing that set.
Good thing they are learning from Mattel
@CapnRex101 said:
"Possibly, but the only mould sprue I can see anywhere is the one on the back, which surely means that the black plastic was added afterwards. I would guess the trans-clear plastic is moulded with a long tab along the top of the windscreen and the black plastic then wraps around that."
I think I solved the mystery. Maybe. I’d need to examine one in person to say for sure, but I believe that pip on the back is actually where the _clear_ plastic was injected, through a hole formed in the black layer. Zooming in, it looks like there’s a bit of light-piping going on, which shouldn’t happen if the pip was black. Shine a light against the underside, and if it looks like a tiny headlight, then it’s probably pillars first, and glass second.
@MisterBrickster said:
"This is very impressive! I wonder if we’ll ever see this for things like Star Wars canopy pieces"
The windscreen in the Force Burner Snowspeeder from last year is dual-molded in black and trans-yellow. I can't wait to get it in light bluish gray or white and trans-clear or trans-black with the next Snowspeeder, assuming they remember to use it whenever the next Snowspeeder comes out.
@iwybs said:
" @MisterBrickster said:
"This is very impressive! I wonder if we’ll ever see this for things like Star Wars canopy pieces"
The windscreen in the Force Burner Snowspeeder from last year is dual-molded in black and trans-yellow. I can't wait to get it in light bluish gray or white and trans-clear or trans-black with the next Snowspeeder, assuming they remember to use it whenever the next Snowspeeder comes out."
They did it for that, but not 77256? OMG, they killed Kenny!
@JavaBrix said:
" @The_Cellarer said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
77260 "
You're absolutely right, I just found a couple of articles where the reviewer confirmed the wheels are actually chrome plated. Huzzah!"
This is the first Vacuum Metalised element (that isn't the One Ring) in like twenty years????? You'd think this would be bigger news on these review sites lmao
@AustinPowers said:
"
Wow, going by the render I would have bet that it's just flat silver. Doesn't look like chrome at all.
Funny since LEGO is infamous for false advertising in that they show stuff in their renders that isn't on the real thing. Most prominent example I can think of being the Mixels, where parts that were actually warm gold were clearly shown as metallic gold in the renders.
One would have thought that in this case they would have made a special point about the chrome. "
Honestly this hasn't been a problem in a long time, especially compared to other companies. It was pretty standard practice to use photoshopped / airbrushed prototypes in the toy industry before 3D renders took over. When the requirement to appeal to retailer was diminished with online shopping in the late 2010s, most companies stopped doing this... after all, in a shop the customer can see the actual figure and not the promo stock photo which isn't possible with online stores. Lego's mostly avoided this since like 2010 (the transitionary period to Pearl Gold after chroming was discontinued was particularly bad).
@Nuclearxpotato said:
" @JavaBrix said:
" @The_Cellarer said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @B_Space_Man said:
"This, plus chrome wheels on another recent release? I think Lego might be stepping up to compete with Mattel Brick Shop. "
Chrome wheels? Which recent release would that be? "
77260 "
You're absolutely right, I just found a couple of articles where the reviewer confirmed the wheels are actually chrome plated. Huzzah!"
This is the first Vacuum Metalised element (that isn't the One Ring) in like twenty years????? You'd think this would be bigger news on these review sites lmao
@AustinPowers said:
"
Wow, going by the render I would have bet that it's just flat silver. Doesn't look like chrome at all.
Funny since LEGO is infamous for false advertising in that they show stuff in their renders that isn't on the real thing. Most prominent example I can think of being the Mixels, where parts that were actually warm gold were clearly shown as metallic gold in the renders.
One would have thought that in this case they would have made a special point about the chrome. "
Honestly this hasn't been a problem in a long time, especially compared to other companies. It was pretty standard practice to use photoshopped / airbrushed prototypes in the toy industry before 3D renders took over. When the requirement to appeal to retailer was diminished with online shopping in the late 2010s, most companies stopped doing this... after all, in a shop the customer can see the actual figure and not the promo stock photo which isn't possible with online stores. Lego's mostly avoided this since like 2010 (the transitionary period to Pearl Gold after chroming was discontinued was particularly bad)."
LEGO still uses tricks on their renders to make sets appear more attractive than they actually are.
Take the current Dom' s Dodge Charger, where the blue pins have been retouched to look more black, or the upscaled blue Classic Spaceman, where the yellow pieces under the arms have been toned down.
Or in general using certain angles that hide the colour vomit visible from the outside on many sets.
Or showing false lighting and impossible angles, like in the shots of the Minas Tirith interior, or similar sets.
These are just some examples among many. It's systematic, they are not being honest.
@Crux said:
"Gee, Bill! How come your mould lets you have TWO colours?"
Best comment, 11.75 out of 10.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
"This is the first Vacuum Metalised element (that isn't the One Ring) in like twenty years?????"
Absolutely not. 6212 was in production as late as 2011, which means the chrome standard lightsaber hilt appeared as recently as 15 years ago. Still a long time, but not the year right after Ep3 released. And if you really want to get specific, 10246 did have the chromed mirror in production as late as 2018. That was a bit of a cheat, however, as the element they chromed was technically classified as a “fabric”, I believe, so not subject to the same rules as most other elements.
"You'd think this would be bigger news on these review sites lmao"
That I can agree with. Even The One Ring isn’t inventoried as chrome-gold, because all chrome colors were discontinued, so they had to cheat by listing it under a different color.
@AustinPowers said:
"
LEGO still uses tricks on their renders to make sets appear more attractive than they actually are.
Take the current Dom' s Dodge Charger, where the blue pins have been retouched to look more black, or the upscaled blue Classic Spaceman, where the yellow pieces under the arms have been toned down.
Or in general using certain angles that hide the colour vomit visible from the outside on many sets.
Or showing false lighting and impossible angles, like in the shots of the Minas Tirith interior, or similar sets.
These are just some examples among many. It's systematic, they are not being honest. "
I'm comparing photos and those two examples are not different than the real set, the pieces aren't "toned-down" they are still there and very much visible. If they were turning the blue pins black that would be dishonest, but they're the same colour and still obvious.
Impossible camera placement and set lighting are not even remotely similar to what was being talked about. Do you expect them to show an interior of a modular from two feet above in a dark room? Do you expect them to show the backside of a set that's meant to be displayed against a wall? This is making a mountain out of a molehill lol
@PurpleDave said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"This is the first Vacuum Metalised element (that isn't the One Ring) in like twenty years?????"
Absolutely not. 6212 was in production as late as 2011, which means the chrome standard lightsaber hilt appeared as recently as 15 years ago. Still a long time, but not the year right after Ep3 released. And if you really want to get specific, 10246 did have the chromed mirror in production as late as 2018. That was a bit of a cheat, however, as the element they chromed was technically classified as a “fabric”, I believe, so not subject to the same rules as most other elements."
Interesting, I had no idea! I swore that the lightsaber stopped being chromed earlier, but that was probably on a set-per-set basis. My first Lego Star Wars set with a hilt was from 2008-2010 (I'll have to do some searching) and was EXTREMELY disappointed it was in Light Bluish Grey (not even drum-lacquered!)
EDIT: looking into it, they started phasing out chrome hilts in 2005 with it being standard around 2008 (with a few outliers here and there). My first set with a hilt was the Rogue Shadow, for the record, which was 2008.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
"Interesting, I had no idea! I swore that the lightsaber stopped being chromed earlier, but that was probably on a set-per-set basis."
To be fair, that X-Wing came out in 2006, so that was right after the final Star Wars film hit theaters. It just stuck around for five years before they finally retired it. They definitely started seeding some sets with less expensive options during those five years. I think that's part of why they've avoided making sets with Dooku, because his specialized hilt's mold has not only been destroyed long ago by now, but was only ever produced in chrome-silver. The standard hilt, at least, started showing up in non-chromed colors for uses other than being a lightsaber hilt.
Oh, and the Detective's Office mirror was classified as a "foil", not a fabric. Foil is the term they use for the flexible plastic sheet used for stuff light windsurfing sails. I think the fact that it was a flat sheet, and had a non-standard form of connection, is what allowed the designer to call for that chromed mirror when standard parts could not. No new mold was required to accommodate the chrome layer, because the face of the mirror doesn't get pressed firmly against the frame.
Wait, we have a chrome silver part again!?
LEGO nature is healing!
@AustinPowers said:
"
Or showing false lighting and impossible angles, like in the shots of the Minas Tirith interior, or similar sets.
"
Well actually....that one's fairly legit. There's a removable roof section specifically for the purpose of letting dramatic lighting in to the interior, just sayin'.
@darthsutius said:
" @AustinPowers said:
"
Or showing false lighting and impossible angles, like in the shots of the Minas Tirith interior, or similar sets.
"
Well actually....that one's fairly legit. There's a removable roof section specifically for the purpose of letting dramatic lighting in to the interior, just sayin'.
"
I was referring to Jang's video as I see him as an impartial authority on such matters. Plus it's not just this example. Their marketing materials often use false advertising. Letting stuff appear metallic or with lighting when it isn't, etc.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
" @AustinPowers said:
"
LEGO still uses tricks on their renders to make sets appear more attractive than they actually are.
Take the current Dom' s Dodge Charger, where the blue pins have been retouched to look more black, or the upscaled blue Classic Spaceman, where the yellow pieces under the arms have been toned down.
Or in general using certain angles that hide the colour vomit visible from the outside on many sets.
Or showing false lighting and impossible angles, like in the shots of the Minas Tirith interior, or similar sets.
These are just some examples among many. It's systematic, they are not being honest. "
I'm comparing photos and those two examples are not different than the real set, the pieces aren't "toned-down" they are still there and very much visible. If they were turning the blue pins black that would be dishonest, but they're the same colour and still obvious.
Impossible camera placement and set lighting are not even remotely similar to what was being talked about. Do you expect them to show an interior of a modular from two feet above in a dark room? Do you expect them to show the backside of a set that's meant to be displayed against a wall? This is making a mountain out of a molehill lol"
The blue pins on the Charger packaging are definitely shown as almost black. The trick is in the lighting effect that let's them appear almost black, not the least bit blue.
And the shot of the open bonnet with the extremely flat angle is also dishonest because it hides the fact that the entire interior is full of off-colours, and not even ones that aid the build process but just for the heck of it.
But no matter, if you don't mind being lied to on a constant basis, good for you I guess.
I prefer the honest approach, or even the humble one.
I recently built a spaceship set from an alternative brand I hadn't yet heard about. It had almost 600 pieces and cost less than 25 Euros. The packaging made it appear as if it was using some normal or flat silver / warm gold accent pieces, yet in the package were metallic gold and silver pieces. And about forty printed pieces as decorations. No stickers.
Let that sink in for a moment.
Oh and since the pieces were apparently from GoBricks, they were more than on par with LEGO from a quality standpoint.
@AustinPowers said:
"
I was referring to Jang's video as I see him as an impartial authority on such matters. Plus it's not just this example. Their marketing materials often use false advertising. Letting stuff appear metallic or with lighting when it isn't, etc. "
Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao
@Nuclearxpotato said:
" @AustinPowers said:
"
I was referring to Jang's video as I see him as an impartial authority on such matters. Plus it's not just this example. Their marketing materials often use false advertising. Letting stuff appear metallic or with lighting when it isn't, etc. "
Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
At least he is one of the very few unsponsored and honest reviewers out there. I don't give a smeg about self-proclaimed experts who get their sets for free and consequently praise everything no matter how crappy the stuff is in reality.
I prefer Jang to those people any day of the week. I don't need him to be an expert on manufacturing, I need his point of view as a customer like myself.
If anything he tries to be fair and understanding toward LEGO and their designers and production methods. Way fairer and more understanding than I would ever be. I am the harsh customer who simply expects to get his money's worth when buying something.
If you want to compare me to a reviewer, you can refer to Sam from Sam's trains. He is similar to myself though maybe even a little harsher than I would be.
This is the way!
@AustinPowers said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
" @AustinPowers said:
"
I was referring to Jang's video as I see him as an impartial authority on such matters. Plus it's not just this example. Their marketing materials often use false advertising. Letting stuff appear metallic or with lighting when it isn't, etc. "
Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
At least he is one of the very few unsponsored and honest reviewers out there. I don't give a smeg about self-proclaimed experts who get their sets for free and consequently praise everything no matter how crappy the stuff is in reality.
I prefer Jang to those people any day of the week. I don't need him to be an expert on manufacturing, I need his point of view as a customer like myself.
If anything he tries to be fair and understanding toward LEGO and their designers and production methods. Way fairer and more understanding than I would ever be. I am the harsh customer who simply expects to get his money's worth when buying something.
If you want to compare me to a reviewer, you can refer to Sam from Sam's trains. He is similar to myself though maybe even a little harsher than I would be. "
I like JANG's reviews. Slugger's and Brickitect's, too. I find their reviews soothing, as opposed to most other reviewers. I particularly hate the reviewers who insist on padding their reviews with forced tours along their build-spaces/collections. "HEY GUYS, WELCOME TO MY CHANNEL, I GOT MY HANDS ON A COOL SET EARLY BUT FIRST LET ME SHOW YOU, AT LENGTH, EVERY SET AND RARE THING I OWN BEFORE WE GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES, HA HA NO BIG DEAL I AM SO FORNICATING RICH HA HA". If there is a just hell, these people will be forced to spend eternity walking on those sets there.
And that is why I need JANG's reviews - to calm me down again.
@Crux said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
" @AustinPowers said:
"
I was referring to Jang's video as I see him as an impartial authority on such matters. Plus it's not just this example. Their marketing materials often use false advertising. Letting stuff appear metallic or with lighting when it isn't, etc. "
Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
At least he is one of the very few unsponsored and honest reviewers out there. I don't give a smeg about self-proclaimed experts who get their sets for free and consequently praise everything no matter how crappy the stuff is in reality.
I prefer Jang to those people any day of the week. I don't need him to be an expert on manufacturing, I need his point of view as a customer like myself.
If anything he tries to be fair and understanding toward LEGO and their designers and production methods. Way fairer and more understanding than I would ever be. I am the harsh customer who simply expects to get his money's worth when buying something.
If you want to compare me to a reviewer, you can refer to Sam from Sam's trains. He is similar to myself though maybe even a little harsher than I would be. "
I like JANG's reviews. Slugger's and Brickitect's, too. I find their reviews soothing, as opposed to most other reviewers. I particularly hate the reviewers who insist on padding their reviews with forced tours along their build-spaces/collections. "HEY GUYS, WELCOME TO MY CHANNEL, I GOT MY HANDS ON A COOL SET EARLY BUT FIRST LET ME SHOW YOU, AT LENGTH, EVERY SET AND RARE THING I OWN BEFORE WE GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES, HA HA NO BIG DEAL I AM SO FORNICATING RICH HA HA". If there is a just hell, these people will be forced to spend eternity walking on those sets there.
And that is why I need JANG's reviews - to calm me down again."
Indeed. I would call Jang the Bob Ross of LEGO reviewers. And I mean this as a definite compliment.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
"Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
Leave Jang alone. Jang is cool.
@Klontjes said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
Leave Jang alone. Jang is cool."
Jang, as far as I am aware, is the source of the "price per stuff" rhetoric that used to plague the comment sections of set reveals and reviews that the posters weren't interested in. It is utterly indefinable, and it also got defenestrated the instant the set in question was something the poster actually liked...further proving how meaningless it was in the first place.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Klontjes said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"Jang uses the same three talking points in every video, I could tell you were just regurgitating them. Calling Jang the authority on anything would be like calling a gamer the authority on game development (I should know, I deal with the Jangs of gaming daily), he knows way less on manufacturing than even Transformers collectors did years ago but speaks like he knows everything. Lmao"
Leave Jang alone. Jang is cool."
Jang, as far as I am aware, is the source of the "price per stuff" rhetoric that used to plague the comment sections of set reveals and reviews that the posters weren't interested in. It is utterly indefinable, and it also got defenestrated the instant the set in question was something the poster actually liked...further proving how meaningless it was in the first place."
The term 'price per stuff' is doubtless deliberately vague, but it describes the only reliable measure of value, which is an individual's personal perception. There are, of course, sets of inarguable good and poor value, but the vast majority come down to how an individual feels based on various only semi-definable factors.
Price per piece, price per weight and the like each have their place as very rough indicators, but there is a lot more to value than a formula.
@CapnRex101 said:
"The term 'price per stuff' is doubtless deliberately vague, but it describes the only reliable measure of value, which is an individual's personal perception. There are, of course, sets of inarguable good and poor value, but the vast majority come down to how an individual feels based on various only semi-definable factors.
Price per piece, price per weight and the like each have their place as very rough indicators, but there is a lot more to value than a formula."
"Price per stuff" was thrown around with total abandon as "proof" that a particular set was grossly overpriced. If you don't like the set, or the theme, you just don't buy it. It doesn't matter what the price is. And when you're pointing at a set that costs less than $0.10/pc as being overpriced, but simultaneously gushing about what a great deal a set is when it costs between $0.15-$0.20/pc, you've just defenestrated any credibility you once may have had. If you're honest, and say you don't like the first set and don't care about the second price, I can respect that, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. But don't dress subjective opinions up as objective statements.
Also, frequently, "overpriced" simply means "bigger than my budget can handle". 75827 was $0.076/pc. It's objectively a large set. It also retailed for $350, so it got a ton of complaints about being overpriced.
I’m entirely fine with a descriptor that’s essentially “personal perception of value”, so long as everyone using it is aware that that’s what they’re saying and they don’t start treating it as an objective fact to which disagreement must be treated with suspicion. It even seems like a pretty useful and honest thing to have! I suspect some people aren’t reliably applying that element, though.
That last photo shows a copyright of 2024. They've been sitting on this piece for 2 years?