New Collectable Minifigure packaging

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LEGO has announced its intention to develop completely recyclable packaging by 2025 and paper bags are expected to start appearing in sets imminently.

This change also affects Collectable Minifigure packaging and speculation about the potential updates has been rampant, especially after cardboard boxes were introduced with VIDIYO Bandmates last year.

Unsurprisingly, the company has been exploring various options. Today we can share those alternatives, along with the final concept, which will be introduced in September 2023.


Paper bags

Simply swapping plastic bags for paper was inevitably considered, but testing found that current materials were too liable to tear, especially when containing larger elements.

Paper-based packaging

LEGO already produces paper-based packaging materials for Advent Calendars and that was considered for Collectable Minifigures too.

Cardboard packaging

Different cardboard packaging concepts were also discussed, including triangular and pillow designs, both of which have already been used for Friends collectable Play Cubes.

However, the team eventually selected cubical packaging because this was considered most versatile. Various shapes are possible, as demonstrated below.


Final concept

While similar to the aforementioned Bandmates, the final concept is slightly different and should be more secure, avoiding the widespread theft that affected the Bandmates in 2021.

Unfortunately, this design means the minifigures can no longer be felt inside their packaging, nor will any identifiers be present on the exterior. Brickset and other Fan Media had an opportunity to provide feedback to the development team and stressed the inevitable frustration resulting from this change. The team has acknowledged our concerns, but could not confirm whether any alterations would be made in future.

However, the team did confirm that there are no plans to increase prices or change distribution when the new packaging is introduced. Each box will continue to contain 36 minifigures, which should be divided evenly between the twelve characters in each series.


What do you think of the updated packaging? Let us know in the comments and we will provide continued feedback to LEGO about this change.

240 comments on this article

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By in United Kingdom,

No more packed feeling :(
But a good move to reduce plastic

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By in United States,

This was probably inevitable as Lego continues to move toward reducing plastic waste. Not being able to feel for figs will be a bit of a bummer.

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By in United Kingdom,

All tihs does is put money in scalper's pockets on sites like Bricklink, a real shame!

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By in United Kingdom,

Such a shame. Sometimes I want multiples of a great figure or just want the entire set without duplicates - now I’m just going to have to buy on the secondary market which will likely cost more as the demand for particular figures will be higher.

I’d developed a 90%+ success rate from feeling.

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By in United States,

sorry for those pack-feelers, that era's over. now to guess by shaking and listening?

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By in Norway,

"plastic bags should begin to appear in sets imminently."
Typo? ;)

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By in United Kingdom,

not a fan of no longer being able to identify by feel. That was always half the fun, and (mostly) guaranteed one that was actually wanted.

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By in United States,

Sales will probably drop if people can’t feel the figures…

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By in United States,

I get why companies want blind bagged products and I get why consumers may not. I’m certainly not going to buy any in store if I can’t tell what they are and will also be more selective as their cost has already gone up and I’ll have to pay that much more to get the specific ones I want.

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By in United States,

Given that the point of blind-bag collecting was to *not* know which figure was inside, I don't see any problem with making packaging that supports that. (I'm not in favor of blind-bag collecting in the first place.) The packaging looks nice and I'm glad TLG is finally starting to get some of their more sustainable initiatives to market.

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By in United States,

I was just at Walmart two days ago. I hadn't been there in a couple of years, and just started going back about a month ago. Noticed ALL the Minecraft blind box figurines had been placed in security boxes like they do for electronics and ink cartridges, among other things because I can remember people ripping them open and leaving a mess. This is gonna happen here.

Feeling the bags can be replaced by a code that could tell one EXACTLY what's in the box--Mattel does it with certain blind-box lines, why not LEGO?

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By in Italy,

Absurd! A company that sells PLASTIC makes the moral with the packaging ... Believe me when I say that even those who sell the SEALED Minifigures in the secondary market guaranteeing their content with a meticulous and careful research through touch will lose a lot. What a shame!

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By in United Kingdom,

Lots of people upset about bag feeling going, but that was always a double edged sword - the amount of times a new box got opened and immediately a scalper goes in and takes all the in demand characters.

I get it’s frustrating, but let’s instead celebrate a move to more recyclable and environmentally safe and friendly packaging.

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By in Italy,

@cody6268 They would not earn enough from the indigestible sale of duplicates. How much greed for money ...

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By in Canada,

Imagine a world where we could just buy the entire collection and get exactly one of each.

I've always disliked this blind bag nonsense. It's not fun; I don't have friends to trade with. I don't always want to go into a store to feel things (and now I can't even if I did want to). I don't want to resort to the aftermarket. I don't want to have to buy a full box and sell the overflow.

I just want to be able to buy the whole series in one go. No funny business. I've skipped so many series' because I don't want to deal with the hassle.

LEGO: do you not want my money?

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By in United States,

Honestly, if they go with boxes, I’m not buying them from the store anymore.

I quit buying CMFs because I was frustrated with getting the same figure multiple times. Call me bad at feeling for them, but at least that gave me a better chance at finding what I wanted. I can’t afford to keep dropping $5 only to wind up with 5 genies again. The price just makes it even harder to justify not knowing for sure what I’m going to get.

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By in United States,

This just a terrible idea. A factor in the success of CMF line is an ability to feel and somewhat know what you're going to get. This is going to take that away and reduce the amount of product for the target audience, make collectors buy excess amounts to have a complete set, and fuel the scalper market unprecedented ways. Terrible, terrible idea on TLG's part.

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By in Canada,

Honestly, I've been buying them by the box since the pandemic hit, so this doesn't really bother me at this time
I can see why this would be annoying to many though. It increases your spend several times over and kind of kills the thrill of the hunt.

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By in United Kingdom,

We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options.

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By in United States,

@lusci said:
"Absurd! A company that sells PLASTIC makes the moral with the packaging ... "

This logic doesn’t track at all. The plastic used for LEGO parts is not disposable- theoretically, it would last forever. The change specifically eliminates single-use packaging made from an environmentally harmful material. I’m not sure whether the execution will in fact be better for the environment, but it’s not really hypocritical in and of itself.

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By in United States,

@denn said:
"sorry for those pack-feelers, that era's over. now to guess by shaking and listening? "

Stealing.

I'm joking!

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By in Germany,

I also think that they now could at least start selling boxes containing a complete series of 12 figures.

Would this even hurt the blind bag business? You would have the choice to either pay for one figure and get a truly random one or you would directly need to pay twelve times that money. And there would not be the risk that unpopular figures do not sell and are left behind.

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By in Romania,

Jeez. Why don't they just put a code on it? People who are unaware of the codes can still enjoy the loot box mechanic (if such person even exists) and those who are in the know can just get the figures they want.
This just encourages more scalping.

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By in United States,

At this point I would like to see them do away with "blind bags/boxes" altogether. Just let me buy the figure I want to buy!

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By in Switzerland,

Most of vidyo cardboard boxes I saw were torn apart, which made me question if insides are even complete. I think people will do the same with those.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Another possible response to consider is "I will now only by CMFs on the resale market when the contents can be guaranteed" or something to that effect.

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By in United States,

That sucks! (For getting the figs we want.)

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By in Denmark,

Looks good to me. Sustainability is slightly more important than being able to choose something I was never supposed to be able to choose.

(I sucked at feeling them, anyway, no difference for me.)

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By in United Kingdom,

Terrible, honestly so annoying. I understand its for the environment but it will backfire and for me will be something that will put me off buying these figures. Shame LEGO have to ruin something good. They should at least add barcodes to identify each figure like series 1 and 2.

They should look at another packaging concept but I know they wont :(

Wouldn't be surprised if I see an increase in open packets of people trying to get the ones they want. Or people trying to feel through the boxes damaging them. Really wouldn't surprise me.

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By in United States,

No more minifigs for me.

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By in Norway,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly,

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Yes, I will stop hunting for them and only buy second hand so I do not waste any money.

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By in United Kingdom,

How about this Lego. Make them out of Cardboard by all means, we all want to save the planet and make them blind boxes for the average public. But put bar codes on them like the first series so people, adults or not, can guarantee to complete their collections if they want to, without spending £100+ on a chance to complete it, or more on ebay.

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By in Canada,

"Another possible response to consider is "I will now only by CMFs on the resale market when the contents can be guaranteed" or something to that effect."

I see this being another strong option in the poll. I'll likely continue to split a case with a few friends but for those extras I want of certain figs i'll likely buy open ones to get the ones I want.

The only way i'll buy more in a box is if the placement in a box is the same and I can pick from a new case.

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By in United States,

Are these going to ACTUALLY be more environmentally friendly, or will they be like Vidiyo and still have a plastic bag inside the cardboard box? That was an anti-consumer move masked as environmental responsibility that wasn’t actually environmentally responsible. I also question the environmental responsibility of encouraging people to over-consume by purchasing lots of figures they don’t want and won’t use.

If this truly does mean an end to plastic packaging, I could accept the trade-off. But there will be no army-building any more, and for licensed series, where all duplicates are unwanted, it will be a disaster. I’ve had a true 100% success rate with the feel method thus far so this is quite disappointing.

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By in Venezuela,

Great for the Earth and for the secondary market

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By in United States,

If Lego switches to a box model, like they did with Vidiyo, I will not buy any from retailers. Full stop.

I did not purchase any Vidiyo bandmates from retailers - I bought the ones I wanted directly from Bricklink sellers (at a very reasonable rate, in my opinion, all things considered).

I cannot say for certain what implications this change in behavior has for Lego, as someone has to buy the product from a retailer in either scenario.

Personally, I'm not a fan of blind buys in the first place, since I feel they're exploitative. The people most affected by this are almost certainly going to be children who don't have the luxury of purchasing from second-hand sources like Bricklink, and collectors who seek to amass a large number of a specific, individual minifigure from the set, who will be forced to pay more demand-based rates - think Series 1 Zombies.

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By in United States,

I'm not a fan of not knowing which figure is in the package. Part of the fun of collecting minifigures was feeling through the bags to know certainly which character you were getting.
Blind boxes mean people have to spend more money, battling through duplicate figures, just to complete a set. Switching to boxes to reduce plastic is fine but give some indicator on the box which figure you're getting. Now's the time to end this blind bag nonsense.

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By in United Kingdom,

I like these new packets.

I currently buy full boxes from Minifigure Maddness (two at a time). The Muppets cost me £2.96 each when postage and € to £ conversion was added. I kept one set for me, one for my brother and two for friends. The remaining two sets went on my Bricklink shop for between £3 and £4 each. The pennies I make doing this is worthless as a way of making money, but it helps to offload the duplicates. Obviously I'm not going to put them on for less that I pay. I generally look at average selling price when I choose how much to sell for.

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By in United Kingdom,

Looking forward to getting 27 of the same minifig. Probably best to either buy from eBay/BL or just buy a full box, open all, get a full set then flog the rest on eBay. Bit of a ballache for a product made from fossil fuel and for planet that is doomed anyway

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By in Germany,

Just another bold move to grab more money from kids who now have no chance at all to buy the fig they're interested in from their pocket money.

"Putting consumers first is at the heart of what we do"

I wonder if they are secretly ashamed of themselves.

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By in United States,

@krysto2002 said:
"If Lego switches to a box model, like they did with Vidiyo, I will not buy any from retailers. Full stop.

I did not purchase any Vidiyo bandmates from retailers - I bought the ones I wanted directly from Bricklink sellers (at a very reasonable rate, in my opinion, all things considered).

I cannot say for certain what implications this change in behavior has for Lego, as someone has to buy the product from a retailer in either scenario.

Personally, I'm not a fan of blind buys in the first place, since I feel they're exploitative. The people most affected by this are almost certainly going to be children who don't have the luxury of purchasing from second-hand sources like Bricklink, and collectors who seek to amass a large number of a specific, individual minifigure from the set, who will be forced to pay more demand-based rates - think Series 1 Zombies."


It’s bad enough randomization exploits children in videogames through loot boxes or randomizes daily shops. It sucks the toys also took the route if not showing them what they’re buying.

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By in Canada,

I have developed a 100% success rate with the "feel" method".... I'm not spending money on something I don't want, THIS WILL affect my spending (honestly it has already with their pricing)

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 said:
Please let us know if you think we should include any other options.

"Yes, I will now have to pay more to buy on the secondary market as I currently bag feel (or let Lego shop store staff bag feel for me)"

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By in United States,

Eh I will usually buy one or two CMF bags completely blind when they first hit the shelves for a lark, but otherwise I pretty much go directly to Bricklink. It's pricey but I know exactly what I'm paying for and who can I blame but myself if I click on that blue Confirm button. And if it's putting a few bucks in a fellow hobbyist's pocket at the same time, can I really be super mad about the whole thing?

The environmental stuff will always be a red herring. Yes cardboard is a bit better I suppose, but plastic waste (in developed countries) is really not as big of a problem as most people think, especially with serious, scalable efforts of ocean cleanup already being deployed. But we're here to talk about toys anyway so ignore that.

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By in United States,

@NatureBricks said:
"How about LEGO worries more about the USA's outrageous price gauging and less on the stupid shape of a box?"

Have you seen the price of Lego for the rest of the world? We get off lucky here in the U.S.

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By in United States,

No more package feeling means no more buying minifigs :(
Really a shame. I always liked picking up the occasional figure. Guess I'll have to Bricklink and needs.

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By in United States,

@BricksAhoy said:
"Imagine a world where we could just buy the entire collection and get exactly one of each.

I've always disliked this blind bag nonsense. It's not fun; I don't have friends to trade with. I don't always want to go into a store to feel things (and now I can't even if I did want to). I don't want to resort to the aftermarket. I don't want to have to buy a full box and sell the overflow.

I just want to be able to buy the whole series in one go. No funny business. I've skipped so many series' because I don't want to deal with the hassle.

LEGO: do you not want my money?"


Mick Jagger may have the best advice on this for you.

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By in Netherlands,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


No, I already buy complete series from sellers on Bricklink.

I find it a good service they open packages from complete boxes and sell them as a complete set.

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By in Ireland,

@NatureBricks said:
"How about LEGO worries more about the USA's outrageous price gauging and less on the stupid shape of a box?
The figures should be $3.50USD. There is no excuse not to be based on the Euro prices."

In Europe the minifigs are €4, that's $4.23 at the current rate.

I feel sorry for the instant gratification generation.
I'll just keep doing what I've done for a long time - buy a few in the local toy shop, then bring the unwanted ones to a club meeting to swap with others.

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By in Belgium,

Ugh, stupid, guess I'll most likely won't buy special series CMF's anymore, as I basically had 99,9% success rate by feeling to not get duplicates.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


None of these options apply to me. I normally feel, but I will switch to buying complete boxes when this change happens.

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By in United States,

The entire original concept of the blind bag was just that, it was a blind purchase. Others found a way to exploit that and now it’s going away. Blind bags are done to encourage interaction and trading, just like packs of baseball cards. The world needs more fun and interesting interactions. Turn it into a positive. Use this opportunity to meet new Lego collectors.

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By in United Kingdom,

Very very disappointing they've removed the possibility to feel them. They should bring the dot codes back if that's the case.

As others have said, it's gonna be great for scalpers, and bad for the general consumer.

I appreciate their desire to go eco on the packaging, but paper/card seems to have move floors. Could they not just make the plastic packaging recyclable? That way you don't loose the ability to feel, it doesn't rip, and it's eco-freindly

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By in United States,

Noooooooooo! I can’t feel the bags to find out what fig is inside :( although it is a good way to cut down on plastic and waste

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Feels like there's a missing middle option here - something like "I want to keep collecting them all, but I'm not sure what I'll do now."

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By in United Kingdom,

Shame, I really liked the next series of figures but if I cannot feel out the ones I want, I won't bother with any of them.
It was half of the fun trying to feel out specific figures especially if they are themed (like the upcoming christmas ones) but for the price of them and the somewhat sketchy availability where I live (of any of the CMF's) going through a half picked box to try to get a set but without picking up doubles of unwanted figures isn't going to make them worth my while.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Maybe an option of Yes - Moving to the secondary market to buy the ones I want

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By in United Kingdom,

Recycling - this is good news.
But a completely blind purchase massively reduces the probability that “army-builders” will be prepared to take any risk of ending up with a CMF they didn’t want…
This could save me a lot of money!
Maybe TLG would like to reconsider the “no identification” rule?

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By in United States,

@Bevski said:
"All tihs does is put money in scalper's pockets on sites like Bricklink, a real shame!"

Have you seen the prices of CMF figures on bricklink? I don't think I'd call a 15% markup scalping.

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By in United States,

I predict that a sharp increase in loss (people opening the boxes in the store to see what’s inside) will result in some retailers no longer stocking these. It’s already impossible to find CMFs at any Target or Walmart store in my area…and this isn’t going to make it any better at places where they still keep CMFs in stock.

I can’t wait to vote for the option saying that I’m not buying these unless I know what’s inside. At least put a secret code on the thing!

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By in Canada,

The reason I didn't bother with the Vidiyo minifigures was because I couldn't be bothered buying something without knowing what I was getting and spending a fortune on duplicates. If this is the direction Lego is going with CMFs then they're basically asking me to stop collecting them.
Full disclosure: I'll still collect them if I can buy a complete set from someone on Bricklink at a reasonable price since that's what I've been doing during covid when bag feeling at the store wasn't a thing. I just won't be buying them from the Lego Store like I used to.

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By in United States,

Sad day for sure. No way will I pay $5 for the chance to get a minifigure when 75% of a series are figs that I don't want. No bueno Lego.

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By in Panama,

I am so, so , so sad.... This will be the last year of collecting the CMFs.
Blind bag feeling was a pleasant touchy feely experience I shared with my wife and hoped to share with my son in the future.
CMFs have already gone up in my home country by 40%. Buying duplicates is not an option. Sadness fills my home.
Why couldn't they use the biodegradable bags. :-(

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By in United States,

I've been feeling the package since I was a kid and have developed a 100 percent success rate so this is just sad.
I generally feel them so I get oen of each instead of a whole box as those things are not exactly cheap. Good for plastic reduction I guess.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


No, I don't care/ stopped buying them since the price hike.

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By in United States,

Not being able to feel for the specific minifigure immediately makes my family's future CMF buys all 2nd hand for opened minifigures. We don't have a big enough budget for buying multiples that we don't want/need. Nice to see LEGO do their part to help the environment but this stinks for budget LEGO AFOLs and YFOLs.

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By in United Kingdom,

Been in a bit of a dark age for a while and barely been buying sets (prices are hideous and often the sets have been underwhelming anyway) but ive still kept up with CMFs by packet feeling. Not any more it seems. No other other FOLs locally to trade with, dont want to start reselling duplicates on ebay or Bricklink and cant justify the costs anyway of just buying and hoping.
Even my local store has taken to packet feeling too, gets them good business.
Why cant they just release a box of 12 figs like the old classics sets?

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By in United States,

Good for reducing the amount of single-use plastic waste, bad for the ability to tell what figure you're getting. This'll probably hurt sales.

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By in United Kingdom,

I personally think random figs with no way to tell what you're getting is a horrible idea. A lot of the time I only want one or two figs from each series and it's already hard enough with the blind bags. I would be so disappointed if I was a kid and only had enough pocket money for one and blew it on a fig I don't even want. You might even end up with multiples of the same fig. One time I bought three CMs from lego.com and two of them were the same fig.

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By in United States,

I don't see myself going to the store to buy these after this change. What would be nice is if they sold a complete set option. People who like blind bags can keep buying them individually while those who want to get the set could buy that.

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By in United States,

@Duq said:
" @NatureBricks said:
"How about LEGO worries more about the USA's outrageous price gauging and less on the stupid shape of a box?
The figures should be $3.50USD. There is no excuse not to be based on the Euro prices."

In Europe the minifigs are €4, that's $4.23 at the current rate.

I feel sorry for the instant gratification generation.
I'll just keep doing what I've done for a long time - buy a few in the local toy shop, then bring the unwanted ones to a club meeting to swap with others."


You know not everyone has a club or even knows other AFOLS in real life to do this with, right?

I can’t just meet someone and ask “can we trade, I got extras?”. Most people I know barely have time to meet up at a restaurant, much less to trade toys,

It’s not a case of wanting instant gratification. It’s a case of not wanting to waste a ton of money on minifigure packs giving either ones you don’t want or duplicates before finally getting whatever you were after.

Like I’ve said before, feeling the bags kept me picking up a pack or two occasionally. It felt like there was still a chance at getting what I wanted. That’s gone now.

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By in United States,

I was thinking something like this. Plant based plastic packaging. Although the boxes are probably cheaper (for them, more expensive for the costumer). I wonder what price increases will be as well as the amount of minifigures you get in a big box of them?

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By in United Kingdom,

A little disappointed, but I think the change is probably for the best.

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By in United States,

That is EXACTLY what my family will be forced to do. We can't afford to blow a bunch of $$$ on a gamble...just not in the cards for our family budget. LEGO needs to find an identifier. If not, I believe they will be in for a rude surprise on slumping CMF sales.

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By in United Kingdom,

Was only interested in two of the next series so I guess it'll be time to fire-up the old brickset trade thread...

Though feel this is mostly going to lead to more damaged and open packets in store (as per the forementioned VIDIYO)

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By in United States,

@Judgeguy said:
"I personally think random figs with no way to tell what you're getting is a horrible idea. A lot of the time I only want one or two figs from each series and it's already hard enough with the blind bags. I would be so disappointed if I was a kid and only had enough pocket money for one and blew it on a fig I don't even want. You might even end up with multiples of the same fig. One time I bought three CMs from lego.com and two of them were the same fig."

EXACTLY!

And the look on your kid's face, when they get a 3rd CMF of the same minifigure they already own, is 'priceless'...but not in a good way. It's a real let-down for sure.

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By in United States,

Eh. I gave up feeling bags years ago, I feel a right wally standing there in the toy aisle. I just buy the ones I want on eBay, as long as you buy while the series is still in stores you only pay a small markup and frankly they're providing a service I'm happy to pay for. It's not scalping unless they're preventing you from buying directly from the source - you can still do that.

I still sometimes just grab a bag for the fun of it to see what I get.

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By in United States,

If it's impossible to tell what I'm getting, why would I pay such a high price for something that's going to get even MORE expensive... not worth the risk.

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By in Canada,

Nooooo, over a decade of finely tuned feeling skills are about to become obsolete :( I am a pro feeler, I'm accurate probably 98 times out of 100, including the tougher bags like Super Mario.

I just hope they do some form of subtle identifier, be it a bar code or dot code or whatever. I have no interest in blind buying. I'd rather just pay the scalper and save myself the trip.

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By in United States,

And I thought $3 for a sort-of-random unlicensed minifigure was ridiculous 10 years ago. No judgment toward people who are willing to spend it, but $5 for an actually random unlicensed minifigure is laughable.

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By in United States,

The upside is I won’t look like a lunatic standing in the store feeling the bags.

It’s unfortunate that they don’t just let us order specific characters for $1-$2 more.

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By in United Kingdom,

@SolidState said:
" @Bevski said:
"All tihs does is put money in scalper's pockets on sites like Bricklink, a real shame!"

Have you seen the prices of CMF figures on bricklink? I don't think I'd call a 15% markup scalping."


I sure have and 15% is probably the norm but there are a LOT of exceptions, usually fueled by demand. For example the Police Officer from Series 18 is around £12 in the UK. Why? It's rarity. People will happily pay it as they have little other options.

Demand will always dicatate "scalping", by this I mean the price is inflated purely on difficulty in obtaining said item.

This packaging will push demand from people to get the specific figure they want, some collectors will be willing to pay more so the "scalpers" charge more.

A sad reality and certainly for me just leaves me feeling a little numb about this hobby I have loved pretty much my entire life.

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By in Germany,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


You might add "Yes, but only opened by reseller/ only second hand"

Not having the ability to feel the figue kills the idea for me, as I don't always buy the complete collection.

Btw. the final concept still uses more cardboard than necessary. Should be taken into account while you're greenwashing your products.

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By in Germany,

Since I don't collect minifigs, I don't care much (I'm not interested in a single Series 23 CMF for instance at this point), but of course this is kind of weird situation in the "a solution looking for a problem" sense. At the end of the day this kind of packaging will only encourage more buyers to purchase boxes in bulk and sell off the surplus, more small "mom & pop shop" retailers will simply unpack them and sell pre-sorted and large store chains will sit on leftovers for longer because people won't risk buying duplicates from the opened displays. As an occasional buyer for me it will likely be even harder to find what I want because due to the circumstances it will be harder to figure out who has which figures in stock. It's a loose-loose for everyone and LEGO are not doing anyone any favors. It's not even that these packages will effectively be recycled a lot. It's the typical "small scraps" stuff that ends up in the furnace one way or the other because the automatic sorters at the recycling plant will mark it as conspicuous and filter it out. So in a way LEGO are changing something that may not have any real benefits compared to the previous solution.

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By in United States,

Friends, 'twas a good ride.

We shall forever hold dear the days of awkwardly standing in the toy aisle, feeling through plastic crinkly packets, filling the air with the sounds of consistent crinkling, forgetting which pile of bags was already checked and which was not, forgetting which ones we set aside and why, all to carefully place all the bags we didn't want back in the little cardboard tray and resume shopping under the guise of responsible adults who buy things like shampoo and eggs and whatnot.

A day will come, my friends, where the children shall tell us that they wish they could check the minifigure inside, and we - yes we, the witnesses of an era long ago - shall take them aside and tell the story of those plastic crinkly packets. We shall regail them with tales of feeling for that elusive Series 2 Spartan, or falling into the Mr. Gold hype, or the confusing Marvel series where, for some reason, everyone had a Captain America shield. We shall tell them of a day of bliss before the days of darkness, and like them, we shall weep.

You never know what you got until it's gone. Cherish the plastic crinkly packets while you can, and turn your eyes to seek out a better day.

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By in United States,

So get ready to pay $15-$25 per minifig on the secondary market.

In other words, pass.

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By in United States,

@binaryeye said:
"And I thought $3 for a sort-of-random unlicensed minifigure was ridiculous 10 years ago. No judgment toward people who are willing to spend it, but $5 for an actually random unlicensed minifigure is laughable."

I'm with you but I think you're very much in the minority. Minifigs are a big deal--we wouldn't be on CMF series 23 if they weren't. Same for "extras" included in sets like Star Wars. People love those bonus figs of non-main characters.

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By in United States,

Don’t they still use plastic bags for polybags?! Converting polybags to boxes first instead of the Minifigures makes so much more sense because you actually see what you’re getting on the packaging. I get that they probably produce more Minifig blind bags than polybags in batches, but they’re still producing plastic bags for another type of set, so the effectiveness of this change isn’t as big as it could, or should, be.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Koend1999 said:
Or bring a small, precise coffee scale and weigh them? I am sure that soon we will see detailed weights of the different figures in their boxes, and since each figure will be slightly different this should be somewhat possible ????

This seems like a genius idea tbh

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By in United Kingdom,

Good to get rid of plastic packaging.

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By in United States,

@Spidermanager said:
"Don’t they still use plastic bags for polybags?! Converting polybags to boxes first instead of the Minifigures makes so much more sense because you actually see what you’re getting on the packaging. I get that they probably produce more Minifig blind bags than polybags in batches, but they’re still producing plastic bags for another type of set, so the effectiveness of this change isn’t as big as it could, or should, be."

Ooh I hope we get a return to the teeny weeny boxes of the 90s. I used to love those.

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By in United Kingdom,

Fibre optic camera / endoscope.

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By in United States,

The real winners here are Fedex, UPS, and the postal service, who will profit from the Bricklink shipping fees paid when people order only the figures they actually want.

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


No, I only buy my figures on bricklink, so as to guarantee getting the figures I want, as I'm hopelss at guessing by feeling the bags

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By in United Kingdom,

Bring back the bar codes from S1, or even the dots/ bumps. The only saving grace maybe the box distribution. If that stays predictable like it is today, correct me if I am wrong? Smaller retailers maybe ok with marking them up fresh out of the box. Lego stores always split them out, so for people near by hopefully they continue?
Shame though, had a 100% hit rate before I gave up on them

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By in United States,

I was never able to feel the bags anyway. I have no idea how almost everyone else seems to do it with such ease. Sure when there was a bicycle or dolphin or something like that, I could feel it, but otherwise everything just feels like undifferentiated lumps of plastic to me. I feel like part of my brain is missing or something.

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By in United States,

@Mr__Thrawn said:
" @lusci said:
"Absurd! A company that sells PLASTIC makes the moral with the packaging ... "

This logic doesn’t track at all. The plastic used for LEGO parts is not disposable- theoretically, it would last forever. The change specifically eliminates single-use packaging made from an environmentally harmful material. I’m not sure whether the execution will in fact be better for the environment, but it’s not really hypocritical in and of itself."


It's not absurd. Fundamentally, Lego traffics plastic, and currently - plant pieces aside - the plastic is petroleum-derived (and I'm sorry, but even plant-based plastics impose an impact on the environment). A huge amount of the environmental impact of Lego and plastic in general is in the manufacture. As people collect Lego, the line between "consumed" and "reused" gets awfully murky -- sticking a Millennium Falcon on your shelf is "out of circulation" no different than if you'd tossed it into the trash. Sure, perhaps it displaces a future purchase of the Double-UTM Gen Z Falcon, but that's conjecture as compared with a new collector beginning to consume Lego.

Cardboard and paper are not carbon-neutral, either; and certainly increasing aftermarket churn (with associated packaging and shipping) is carbon-negative. For collectors (and I don't know the breakdown of the market between casual gamblers vs serious completionists), they're just outsourcing the carbon expenditure to third-parties to RE-package, ship, etc. If you consider the full market impact of this decision, I'm not at all convinced that the earth's carbon budget comes out ahead.

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By in Portugal,

@CapnRex101
"Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

No, I already buy a complete collection from my favorite retailer." or something like this.

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By in United Kingdom,

Whilst I deplore the very idea, the Lego money-making machine is missing a trick... even since the year dot for things like Panini sticker albums you could 'order' specific labels from them to complete a set/team/page but you had to pay per label, for postage and wait a few weeks.. what Lego could launch is an ability to buy the specific minifigure you want but at maybe a slight premium or limited to only so many - so people can genuinely complete a set.

On another note I see inspection camera/endoscopes are now down to under 4mm in diameter.....

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By in Canada,

Please add "Yes but I’ll be buying on the 2n?ry market"

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."

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By in United States,

I don't really care about minifigs in general and I'm all for reducing single use plastic, so this is a win in my book.

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By in Puerto Rico,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


I think LEGO should reach a happy medium with this, including past CMF into small sets to ease the scalpers.

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By in United Kingdom,

It's a shame obviously that paper bags didn't work out, but generally, I'd rather see less plastic packaging in my bin than be able to get a specific minifigure.

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By in United Kingdom,

This will be very frustrating. I don't want the product if I can't feel or otherwise tell what's inside.

If others feel the same there will be lots of damaged boxes. It's not clear whether there will be an inner bag like there was with the VIDIYO bandmates, if there is then they haven't got rid of plastic by using a box. I didn't buy any Bandmates at full price and actually appreciated the ones in Tesco where someone had already ripped it open but the plastic inner bag meant no pieces were lost.

I hope that some shops will open boxes to let you pick and choose which figures to buy. Personally, feeling the bags was a nice middle ground between completely blind and completely open. I'm not sure how they could do that with boxes, but some sort of hidden code/raised pattern or something would be a welcome compromise. You can buy blind if you don't check or find out if you want to.

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By in Poland,

So it will end up as Vidio? Ripped boxes everywhere and minifigs opened available online for ridiculous prices because someone got a whole box?
Just make a tiny window at the back as many other colectables.

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By in United Kingdom,

A win for the environment is always a win, but of course, it’s bad for every other aspect of CMF collecting.

I can see online retailers that usually charge fair prices bumping up the price, and also complete boxes harder to get a hold of as everyone will be wanting a box now.

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By in Poland,

Also Polybags > Tiny boxes. ALWAYS.
Because in tiny box... THERE NEEDS TO BE PLASTIC BAG. So you make more trash.

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By in United States,

I agree with a return to the dots or some other obscure box coding. The dots were unobtrusive enough that they fulfilled the blind bag marketing purpose but those savvy enough to see and interpret them were able to get the figures they wanted.

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By in United Kingdom,

This is probably easier than feeling the plastic bags. Just open the boxes and put them back. Most people will probably do the same. And if the box has already been opened by someone else, saves you having to do it.

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By in Italy,

Lego bricks are made of plastic! So, what's the point in reducing the plastic packaging of plastic products?

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By in United Kingdom,

They could sell a Lego branded set of micro scales so you could weigh them in the shop and you could differentiate that way. Plus you would then have a tiny set of scales to weigh other… things.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Please add:

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures because most of the "play" value of CMF comes from "feeling" the package for the content.

Please let TLG know that just adding a code on the packaging for identification may not help.

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By in United Kingdom,

Dammit, thought I had a solid idea, but it doesn’t look like there’s any kind of crack I could slip an endoscope into :(
…hehe “crack”

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By in United Kingdom,

They should just add some unique identifier for the likes of us geeks to discover and use.

It would keep AFOLs happy but have no effect on impulse sales to kids and casual fans who are none the wiser.

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By in Netherlands,

Working as intended, they are supposed to be blind bags/boxes.

Unfair? maybe for some people close to stores to "feel" them, but online buyers always had the blind packaging.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


We need an option such as 'buy a complete set from reseller, Minifigures Plus, Minifigure Madness.'

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By in United States,

Packaging that allowed identification by touch was a great compromise between randomness for those it appealed to, and being able to buy specific items without spending excessive amounts on duplicates or the resale market. It was also fun to connect with other LEGO fans around the CMF display, helping everyone find the specific characters they were looking for.

I had already cut back on my CMF collecting a few years ago due to the exorbitant price increases, going from collecting full sets through Series 18 to only cherry-picking my favorites from each series, but this new packaging will put a total end to that. I'm very disappointed in this decision as I am not in this hobby to gamble.

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By in United States,

@lordofdragonss said:
"Also Polybags > Tiny boxes. ALWAYS.
Because in tiny box... THERE NEEDS TO BE PLASTIC BAG. So you make more trash."


LEGO is switching to paper bags though, so the entire packaging could be recycled.

Also, I’m curious if recent sets actually have these bags, or is is just for select ones?

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By in Canada,

Change happens.

I applaud LEGO for getting rid of the plastic bags for environmental reasons.

Given change happens, LEGO should also move on from the 'blind' aspect, given:

1) The not so cheap price of CMF (polybags are similarly priced, but I don't have to guess)

2) LEGO needs to be aware of the rapidly declining standard of living in much of the world, and should respect kids and collectors who have limited funds but may want to treat themselves to figure X or figure Y.

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By in France,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Normally, I bought the entire series and some extra minifigures by touching and feeling the bags. With VIDIYO and with some series, I have bought complete series by Brickling or by Facebook, to garantee that I have a complete series.
If cardpack boxes are used, I will buy complete series by Brickling or by Facebook, and if I want a specific minifigure, I will have to buy it at Brickling too!

So, as another option for the pool. I will buy in Bricklink to obtain the minifigures I want, or something similar

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By in United States,

I don't like it at all. I enjoyed feeling around for the ones that I wanted and not having to buy multiple of the same figure. Honestly I probably won't collect a whole set anymore if this is the case.

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By in United States,

Tons of comments here, I wish I had the time to read them all. I haven't bought any figures from Lego online or the brick and mortar stores in a long time. I have bought all of mine from Minifigures Plus in case form and the cases are well distributed so this doesn't bother me too much. The thing that does bother me is the reasoning behind the change. A lot of the figures sold are going to stay sealed so worrying about the plastic going to the landfill is over stated. Second all this fake environmental virtue signaling is past annoying. People worry about their carbon foot print but have no problem buying many of their products from China, a country that built 200 coal fired power plants last year and will build 300 more this year. If you wanted any change, stop buying from them. But then again, the whole man made climate change narrative is false anyway.

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By in Czechia,

Terrible change. I don't like it one bit.

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By in United Kingdom,

You can see people just breaking open the back cardboard section to peek a view inside

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By in United States,

I can understand hating the loss of the ability to feel for Minifigures but I always suck at that so I personally won’t miss it that much. I’m not sure to what extent replacing plastic bags with plant-based materials will help cut down on plastic waste, though, these decisions seem like they’re usually done to cut costs more than reduce environmental impact, which is just an added bonus. At the end of the day LEGO is still a corporation (I think?) but if this was done with the legitimate intentions of cutting down on plastic waste than great for them, even if some convenience is lost.

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By in United States,

I’m totally on board with this. It was very frustrating going to the Lego store to buy CMF and all that remained would be the same two mini figures because AFOLs poached all the good figs. My kids love the surprise, and couldn’t care less about not being able to identify them beforehand.

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By in Poland,

I really don't care about feeling through packaging and I'm all in for reducing plastic waste. I buy CMFs which are either new and sealed but touched to know whats inside or I buy new but open. From my point of view this is only a problem for investors or heavy collectors who need to have multiple copies in MISB. Both groups of people are a fringe of LEGO sales. Why would LEGO bother with such a marginal fraction of their clients?

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By in United States,

Because of this change I doubt I will buy any more minifigures. If I do, it will be through bricklink. In the past, my brother and I have talked about getting a very precise scale and recording the measurements of each minifigure for identification. In the past that would have been overkill, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

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By in Canada,

I prefer these. Felt bad feeling the bags, felt bad not feeling them. Now that issue is resolved, and I can recycle. Great.

Still feel bad about the price. Risky and pricey is always a tough proposition. Paying a lot to be disappointed leaves a really really bad taste. Most of the ones I've bought were bought on sale, because the low price balanced out the risk.

Also, recently there have been these boxes with 6 bags inside of them that kind of sort of give you half of a series, 66700 for example. I think they're only sold in some places. I don't care about getting all the minifigures but I typically do want more than a few, so this is good a balance for me: I'm very likely to get at least some of the ones that I want, I'm protected from getting duplicates, and I still get some excitement from not knowing what half I get. Same overall price but much less risks. I like these, thought I'll note that all the ones I've seen on shelves have been messed with. This is the formula I would improve upon.

In any case, I think blind boxes only work as an unexpected extra, when you don't know what you'll get, or what you could get, then they're exciting. Giving one of these to a kid that didn't see it coming probably is a great experience. However, that's just not how I, and I guess most AFOLs, approach these.

So here's an idea I want to throw out there: how about a separate 18+ Icons CMF series? I feel part of the issue with the CMF is that they need to work for both kids and adults, yet those are very different markets. I'm not saying to give up the blind format, thought that would be ideal, but to maybe offer an alternative take on collectible figures for those older folks with more money.

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By in United States,

Unlike most blind bags the CMF'S don't have a chase figure(mr gold and police man being outliers). So just label them as none of them are rare.

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By in United States,

@BricksAhoy said:
"Imagine a world where we could just buy the entire collection and get exactly one of each.

I've always disliked this blind bag nonsense. It's not fun; I don't have friends to trade with. I don't always want to go into a store to feel things (and now I can't even if I did want to). I don't want to resort to the aftermarket. I don't want to have to buy a full box and sell the overflow.

I just want to be able to buy the whole series in one go. No funny business. I've skipped so many series' because I don't want to deal with the hassle.

LEGO: do you not want my money?"


For the last 4-5 CMF series, I've started pre-ordering the Complete Sets on eBay. If you pre-order early enough, I've found they usually go for ~$59.95 for all 12 minifigs (which is basically their retail cost at $5 each). The only additional fees are tax (which you'll pay no matter how you buy) and shipping, which is usually only $5-6... more than fair in my opinion for hassle-free acquisition of a full CMF series.

The only downsides are:
1) You have to be patient, you will often not get the minifigs until 4-6 weeks after they release.
2) They usually come opened and repacked into plastic bags. This of course comes with an inherent risk of fraud/damage, but I've used the same eBay seller for all 4-5 series, and they have all come in pristine condition. I still check every single part for the Lego stamp to make sure they aren't slipping in any counterfeit pieces, but to this point I have yet to find anything wrong and I pretty much completely trust my seller.

Hope that helps.

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By in United States,

I'm holding out whatever hope I can that they find a way to make the blindness optional, because that was what was so successful about the Minifigures- you had options in how you wanted to buy them, and you could buy randomly or specifically in the store. Vidiyo was already a pain but only one series ever showed up where I live. Not being able to identify any CMFs going forward will make me hesitate. On the one hand, it could break the problems of desired characters being bought out at shops--if they dared, LEGO could even do a Mr. Gold situation more fairly now that the packaging does more to even the playing field. But the loss of security in buying the characters, and the money with it, is not something I relish, and if LEGO are smart, they'll come up with some compromise that maintains the collecting options I'm sure have sustained Minifigures all this time.

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By in Netherlands,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


"No, I wasn't buying them anyway."

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101, can the Brickset community try something that might be a logistical nightmare?

Can we all fill out a survey saying which figures we want and since there are three full sets in the box, pair up groups of people who's wanted figures sum to a completed box inventory?

Payment, shipping and fairness considerations get complicated quickly, but if the idea is good enough I think the smart people on Brickset can figure it out.

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By in United Kingdom,

Pity they'll no longer be feel-able, but the environmental concern rightly trumps everything else - wherever we can shave off non-recyclable materials, we should. I find it a bit hard to visualise how this won't increase the overall volume of a sales case, though - which surely has an impact on distribution and thus fuel use, and thus the environment. It just seems like cases will need to be larger to accommodate that kind of packaging - or will the regularity of the individual packages make it easier to design cases that use space more efficiently?

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By in Germany,

The new packaging aka the end of the CMF's. Hated it with Vidiyo, hate it on Super Mario S5 and will despise LEGO for introducing it starting S24. The only people who will benefit from this are again the resellers, who will charge a premium for sorted figures and complete series.
And say hello to moldy bricks after opening these new, eco-friendly packages after a few years in storage.

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By in United Kingdom,

Re: keeping the mystery box thing as an option, maybe they could have a fold-up corner on the packaging so you can peek, or not, at the name of the figure inside?

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By in United States,

Hi, longtime lurker here. I just made an account to voice my displeasure with this change. CMFs are the only Lego product line that I've consistently bought in the past 5 or so years. As long as this new packaging is used, I will buy no CMFs. Not "less", none.

No, the username is not a joke.

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By in United Kingdom,

@thefirst said:
"This is probably easier than feeling the plastic bags. Just open the boxes and put them back. Most people will probably do the same. And if the box has already been opened by someone else, saves you having to do it."
So you’re proposing that CMF collectors cause criminal damage and get themselves a criminal record? No thanks both to the criminal record and the immorality of what you’re suggesting. While blind bagging is itself morally dubious, two wrongs don’t make a right and I won’t be breaking the law regardless of what LEGO does.

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By in United States,

When the MSRP was $1.99 to $2.99 I would buy all the figures in a series and I didn't mind occasionally getting a duplicate or two. In some cases that was desirable for army building. However when they hit $3.99 I became a lot more selective and only bought the ones I really wanted. When they hit $4.99 I would only buy one or two or simply skip an entire series.

Now with no way to feel which character you'll get I will no longer buy them unless I happen to find some on clearance.

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By in United States,

I must admit that I am rather disappointed about this change. I am all for making the company more sustainable, but I have always felt the packages so that I can get the ones I want. I hope that this is not the final plan, but that there will still be a way to know what is in them.

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By in Germany,

Welp, guess I'm done buying CMFs. They're FAR too expensive to buy random.

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By in United States,

I dont see me buying these in a store anymore. I guess the secondary market will be my choice when this begins.

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By in United Kingdom,

The number of comments in this thread alone shows how emotive this topic is. I personally think blind bag selling is not in line with Lego company values. My kids save their pocket money to get the 2 or 3 figures they really want. We've always been lucky that we've been able to feel bags or even get the Lego staff to do it for us. The disspapointment for a 6 year old who REALLY wants that one figure, gets something else instead, maybe even a duplicate of something they didn't even want the first one of, and doesn't have enough money to try again enough times to get the one they wanted. It's akin to gambling, feels great when you win, feels miserable when you lose. They should make all the figures available on Lego.com and in store and you can select the ones you want but they're available for a limited time only.

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By in Netherlands,

Never liked blind boxes (bags). It started with the greediness of the designer toys, and then the toy companies for kids joined in as well. I don’t like it. Something about blind boxes and gambling that isn’t good for kids. Other companies even have collections with rare, super rare and whatnot figures in it. I think that is a very low way to influence kids. But, i do like all the figs lego brings, so i am always torn and cave in (also because i could feel what was in them - except for the Mario ones). I think this is also a wake up call for myself. Do i even need all those minifigs? I guess i am just addicted just like the most of you

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By in United States,

And thus ends my interest in buying collectible minifigures in stores. I'm absolutely not throwing away $5 at a time in the hopes of finishing a set.

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By in United States,

I wonder if they considered using a plastic bag that is recyclable or plant based.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Zander said:
" @thefirst said:
"This is probably easier than feeling the plastic bags. Just open the boxes and put them back. Most people will probably do the same. And if the box has already been opened by someone else, saves you having to do it."
So you’re proposing that CMF collectors cause criminal damage and get themselves a criminal record? No thanks both to the criminal record and the immorality of what you’re suggesting. While blind bagging is itself morally dubious, two wrongs don’t make a right and I won’t be breaking the law regardless of what LEGO does.

"


Honestly, if TLG don’t care about their shady practices, I don’t care either. I’m not talking about ripping the packaging to shreds - but carefully opening a side flap and seeing what’s inside. I doubt very much the police are going to respond to reports of opened LEGO Minifigures lol it’s hard enough getting them to respond when an actual (serious) crime is committed these days.

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By in United States,

@lusci said:
"Absurd! A company that sells PLASTIC makes the moral with the packaging ..." there's an important difference between single use plastic bags and the plastic used in the product itself.

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


I only buy the figures I want, usually 2-4 a series. I do this in store, using the feel method, and I never get duplicates. This will force me to either:
a) Buy none
b) Buy the ones I want on the aftermarket, feeding scalpers
c) Buy a full box each time, and sell the excess figures, unwittingly becoming a scalper myself in the process

I still don’t know which of these I’m gonna do! I’m assuming it’ll depend on the series, and just how desirable those figures are.

It’d be interesting to know what proportion of people buying CMFs are trying to collect a specific figure, and what proportion are buying for other reasons?

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By in Austria,

F*ck this.

@CCC makes a great point. The same (or even more plastic waste + extra shipping) and they'll sell less.

And if they'll sell less in stores because kids can't get the ones they want, then less retailers will stock them and then the aftermarket prices will become atrocious as well.

All around another massive misstep in a long series of missteps by TLG.

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By in United States,

I actually enjoy feeling the bags to know exactly what I am getting, and that I am only getting what I want. Unless I want a whole series, I won't buy any "blindly" once this change occurs.

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By in United States,

@captainpie said:
"Lots of people upset about bag feeling going, but that was always a double edged sword - the amount of times a new box got opened and immediately a scalper goes in and takes all the in demand characters.

I get it’s frustrating, but let’s instead celebrate a move to more recyclable and environmentally safe and friendly packaging. "


Scalpers are still going to do this. Lego has started placing minifigures in a set pattern within each box. Anyone who knows that pattern can selectively grab what minifigures they want from a new box.

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By in United Kingdom,

@STUNT said:
"This is probably the only packaging were switching from plastic isn't all good.. if they did this but brought back some unique code or pattern for each figure then I'd see no downside but selling then like this forces me to either buy a full box (when I'm not interested on all of the figs) or buying from a reseller which has already opened them to identify the contents (so extra money for the reseller and the shipping).

This are very bad news; no more cmfs for me."


Paper straws at McDonalds is still WAY worse haha

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By in United States,

I'm having a hard time understanding why LEGO wouldn't put a code in the box for each fig. They used to have bump codes on the old series... They must know that collectors aren't going to start buying at random just to get a complete set.

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By in United States,

When the CMF first came out and were $1.99, they were so much fun and i bought a ton. Discovering the barcode rosetta stone (and dots) helped me buy even more with the army builder figures from S2 and S3. When I had to pivot to bag feeling, I made that jump without issue and actually realized that figure identification became a big part of the fun. As the prices kept going up, I reduced my buying to just the figures I liked and maybe a spare of two of the ones I loved. But it was no longer as much of an "Impulse" buy as it used to be. I went from probably buying 30 to 40 figures per series to maybe 10 to 15.

Moving from bags to boxes and keeping the $4.99 price point will basically bring my CMF collecting to full halt. Maybe I'll throw a box into a Target shopping trip but I can't imagine doing that more than 2 or 3 times per series. We don't have a regular LUG to swap figures and I simply can't afford to buy duplicates these days, especially with the prices of regular sets going way up and discounts being hard to find in the U.S.

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By in United Kingdom,

Don't mind in the slightest. Between scalpers and other, more determined AFOLS groping the packages, the favourite figures of each season become rare as hen's teeth in my local stores anyway

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By in Canada,

No more mini figure purchases for me
Lego policies, along with the upcoming price increase in August means an end to collecting Lego for over 50 years.
Lego.
Time to find a new hobby where the manufacturer actually cares about what the consumer wants !!!

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By in Portugal,

@J_Bricks said:
"Very very disappointing they've removed the possibility to feel them. They should bring the dot codes back if that's the case.

As others have said, it's gonna be great for scalpers, and bad for the general consumer.

I appreciate their desire to go eco on the packaging, but paper/card seems to have move floors. Could they not just make the plastic packaging recyclable? That way you don't loose the ability to feel, it doesn't rip, and it's eco-freindly"


Afaik, plastic packaging *is* recyclable. It's just not economically viable and return rates for the material are really bad. Unlike paper or aluminum, plastic material will become more useless the more you recycle it.

Anyhow, I'm really really pissed at the change, as good as their reasoning is. The price increase was already upsetting when it happened, but now you can't even (near) reliably tell what you're getting.

Thankfully there's a local retail store where the peeps just straight up bust these up and write down whats inside for selling at the same base price. Godspeed to them, only a shame that may become my only place to grab these things now.

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By in United States,

I will not buy another Minifig and neither will my kid if they proceed with the box format.

Example: My boy is a drummer, uses the name wolfboy as his screen name for different games and such. He really wanted the Wolfman Drummer from the Vidiyo line of figs. He was not about to spend his allowance money on something he couldn’t feel and know what he was getting because it was in a box.

In a way they are messing up good quality family time. Me and my kid couldn’t wait to get the "feel guide" print it off, jump in the old minivan and hit all the stores in the area hunting for figs. I guess those days are gone......

Thanks LEGO.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


No, I will just rip open the packaging in store to find the ones I want. THIS IS A JOKE haha. I do wonder how many people do end up doing that though. I wouldn't be surprised to see open packages all over the shelf.

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Option 5: Yes, I know a shop where they open the packaging and sell full sets. (which is a real advantage of proper small toy shops...)

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By in United States,

I’m not a fan! I understand the desire to have more recyclable materials, but not being able to feel for the parts will GREATLY discourage me from buying CMF. Spending $4+ USD per figure just to get repeat figures or a figure I do not want will be extremely frustrating. If TLG wants to have mystery figures, they still need to have the packaging allow for feeling parts, or simply sell them clearly marked which CMF is contained inside.

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By in United States,

This means I am done buying CMFs at retail stores, and will only be buying them on the secondary market. Hoping that MinifiguresPlus continues to sell sets, else I may be done buying CMFs.

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By in Netherlands,

If we can't feel them anymore, then please include a unique bar code, as with the first series. Otherwise, popularity will certainly decline.

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By in United Kingdom,

Oh the irony, for a product entirely made of plastic.

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By in United States,

How about going back to using ID code on the boxes? This should continue to promote sales at the retail level. Of course, TLG doesn't have to worry about losing money on the secondary market since they BOUGHT the secondary market. So, why even bother catering to your primary customers? There's a word for this kind of business practice [long ponderous pause] ...

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By in United States,

With truly blind, random packages, expect to buy an average of 37 minifigures to complete your set of 12.

In mathematics, this is called the "coupon collector's problem". In business, this is called selling people more than they actually want. It's a great way to make money. It's also incredibly wasteful. Calling it "sustainable" is egregious greenwashing.

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By in Hong Kong,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


I don't know if it should be an option, but I do slightly differently, I buy at random, and don't mind getting duplicates, *until* I have almost all (13/16 or so, I guess 9/12 now), when I just want to complete the set so I buy the individual ones I'm missing from 3rd party sellers.
I'm actually OK with the proposed packaging, but I wish it were easier to buy from the official store the ones you want as well, so everyone could be happy. Delay it 2 months or something maybe...

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By in United States,

Since the pandemic I think parents disapprove of their kids "trading" minifigs with others. These boxes are going to be ripped opened like Vidiyo boxes were, thus again parents will not purchase these for their kids.
For myself an AFOL, I will stop purchasing them. I didn't mind feeling the packages for them, so that I only got the ones that I wanted.
I do not want to waste money on unwanted duplicates, especially now when everything costs more!

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By in United States,

@Koend1999 said:
" @denn said:
"sorry for those pack-feelers, that era's over. now to guess by shaking and listening? "
Or bring a small, precise coffee scale and weigh them? I am sure that soon we will see detailed weights of the different figures in their boxes, and since each figure will be slightly different this should be somewhat possible ????

"


That was the first solution I thought of as well. To avoid the confused looks from employees or other shoppers, one could do this at home and return the unwanted unopened boxes. This will work great until Lego starts adding a random number of DOTS to each CMF package so the weights are inconsistent.

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By in United States,

Not buying CMFs anymore. This is a massive slap in the face to the fans.

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By in United States,

Thanks for sharing this informative article! It's nice to see the conceptual progress of packaging.

On the subject of "feeling bags for figures" maybe this will encourage trading in the community more. If you have 2 or 3 of something you don't want, there's bound to be 2 or 3 other people who don't have that thing and want it.

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By in United States,

If they are going to do this I would rather see them making more sets like 60134, 60153, and 60202 People Packs. They could do different themes and include a little more play to the minifigs

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


You could also add one that says something along the lines of "Yes, I will no longer be purchasing CMFs unless lego starts selling complete sets as well."
You could also do a completely different poll of different ideas instead of the blind boxes.

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By in United States,

I buy CM from ebay to get complete lots. I also buy them in the store by feeling.

Since the pandemic and Bandmates, my local Lego store has agreed to take back and exchange any duplicates. They also have an organized container behind the counter of identified/opened CMs for purchase or exchange.

As long as these avenues remain, I will still buy them even though the happy feeling will be gone. ;(

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By in United States,

Antikids, antiadults buying for kids, anticollector... it's like it's not good for anyone! Maybe it's time to print a little code on the bottom flap for identification, huh?

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By in Hong Kong,

Also, as another user posted above, it would be good to expand or have another poll to see what users are buying. Do the majority want a full set, only a sub set, a sub set with duplicates for army building, a full set but OK to get duplicates?

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By in United States,

@BrickTeller said:
"With truly blind, random packages, expect to buy an average of 37 minifigures to complete your set of 12.

In mathematics, this is called the "coupon collector's problem". In business, this is called selling people more than they actually want. It's a great way to make money. It's also incredibly wasteful. Calling it "sustainable" is egregious greenwashing."


I LOVE it when someone on this site cuts through all the extraneous bull with the laser-focus of clear logic supported by mathematics. Well done!

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By in United States,

Just got back from Walmart to pick up four more Muppets minifigs. The bin had been fairly picked through, so I had to really feel the packs to make sure I was getting four unique ones I did not already have. Had it been completely random, because I did not feel the packs, I would probably be an unofficial Janice army builder.

Not only would I be discouraged from buying minifigs, but I think the big box stores would have a lot more problems with people opening them at the store to see what is inside. Sounds like a lose-lose situation.

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By in Sweden,

shame, that s it for me. wouldnt mind that you cant feel them anymore, but certainly not for that price. whether you want all or just one ,it will be much cheaper to buy at the secondary market, but prices will raise dramatically. 10 Euro for a common minifig? here in Sweden they are already now reliable shelf warmer, only time I buy them is on 3 for 2 or if I am particularly interested in 1 ore 2 special figures. The whole concept jumped the shark. Dark ages 2, I am coming.

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By in United States,

'NO plans for a price increase' that's a load of bull considering this change is not occurring til next year... There will be a price increase (and not just cause a new Ferrari comes out that the owner of LEGO wants to buy). 'increase to see what people will pay' is LEGO's mantra at this point. This gives them another excuse, but with not being able to feel the packs for the figure they want, that will likely turn off a lot of casual fans or buyers, especially when the figure is 5.99 USD (heck even if it somehow miraculously stays at 4.99 USD ). Never mind all the tampering and theft that will occur in stores due to this change (I mean at the current price and with the packs now, I see them ripped open in stores). Just end the CMF series LEGO, its been a great run, but this has come a long way from your intention of being a 1.99 USD bag as an 'impulse' buy at the checkout counter(which by the way never happens when you put rarity into something). A clunky pack at 4.99 USD (or likely 5.99) is not going to be that anymore, just go back to selling polybags with such figures and let the CMF series end. OR, really save on packaging, and allow people to just buy a complete set from LEGO (though I get that savings for the buyer also means it may be harder for the owner to get his Ferrari).

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By in United Kingdom,

Honestly kind of a great move. This is gonna massively reduce scalpers going in and buying all the "good ones" before the rest of us. Sure not being able to feel for them WILL suck but at the end of the day, it is called BLIND pack. Kinda the point.

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By in United States,

Finally found a Target near me with Muppet CMF and of the 6 bags on the shelf, 4 were Statler, one Fozzie, one Waldorf.
Not a fan of those odds, so probably Bricklink/ eBay Kermit & Gonzo as well as any future ones I actually want (I rarely want a complete set).

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By in United Kingdom,

I can imagine opening a box and then having a little plastic baggy inside any, videyo did that. But hopefully we'll be on to paper bags by then.

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By in United States,

@MegaMechaLesbian said:
"Honestly kind of a great move. This is gonna massively reduce scalpers going in and buying all the "good ones" before the rest of us. Sure not being able to feel for them WILL suck but at the end of the day, it is called BLIND pack. Kinda the point. "

Will it though? There will be those that will just buy the box, open each pack get the ones they want and likely reseal them somehow and return the rest.. This does not stop anything, it only means more theft and tampering. It also means that you will need to buy more packs on average to get a set or the pack you want, so I guess that is how you see 'victory' against those 'scalpers'? Blind packs are fun, for like 1.99 a piece, not when they are the price point now (and likely to be going up further by the time they come out as Im sure that new packaging is not cheaper either)

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By in United Kingdom,

@lusci said:
" @cody6268 They would not earn enough from the indigestible sale of duplicates. How much greed for money ..."

They _did_ buy BrickLink...

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By in United States,

@BrickTeller said:
"With truly blind, random packages, expect to buy an average of 37 minifigures to complete your set of 12.

In mathematics, this is called the "coupon collector's problem". In business, this is called selling people more than they actually want. It's a great way to make money. It's also incredibly wasteful. Calling it "sustainable" is egregious greenwashing."


I don't doubt you when you say "fully random" requires 37 minifigures. It makes a lot of sense, then, why each case comes with 36, and you get 3 full sets instead. "Hey, you can buy one fewer minifig, and be guaranteed 3 sets instead of one!"

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By in United Kingdom,

@BrickTeller said:
"With truly blind, random packages, expect to buy an average of 37 minifigures to complete your set of 12.

In mathematics, this is called the "coupon collector's problem". In business, this is called selling people more than they actually want. It's a great way to make money. It's also incredibly wasteful. Calling it "sustainable" is egregious greenwashing."


So as I'm sure your math checks out, you're WAY better off finding 2 other willing people and buying a box between yourselves...

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By in United Kingdom,

@madforLEGO said:
" @MegaMechaLesbian said:
"Honestly kind of a great move. This is gonna massively reduce scalpers going in and buying all the "good ones" before the rest of us. Sure not being able to feel for them WILL suck but at the end of the day, it is called BLIND pack. Kinda the point. "

Will it though? There will be those that will just buy the box, open each pack get the ones they want and likely reseal them somehow and return the rest.. This does not stop anything, it only means more theft and tampering. It also means that you will need to buy more packs on average to get a set or the pack you want, so I guess that is how you see 'victory' against those 'scalpers'? Blind packs are fun, for like 1.99 a piece, not when they are the price point now (and likely to be going up further by the time they come out as Im sure that new packaging is not cheaper either)"


Nothing will ever STOP scalpers. They'll scalp basically anything, blind packed or not. But making it harder for people to sweep through and grab all the desirable minifigs early on will help cut it down imo.

I do agree that these are getting too expensive to be fun as blind packs, but I've felt that for years, even being able to feel up the packets, it still wasn't a guarantee. If they're making blind packs, I'd rather remove that ability and leave them completely blind. Granted, I think some kind of serial code could be fun, but again, that'd just mean people will snap up all the "good" ones and leave everyone else stuck with the dregs of any given wave.

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By in Canada,

@BricksAhoy said:
"Imagine a world where we could just buy the entire collection and get exactly one of each.

I've always disliked this blind bag nonsense. It's not fun; I don't have friends to trade with. I don't always want to go into a store to feel things (and now I can't even if I did want to). I don't want to resort to the aftermarket. I don't want to have to buy a full box and sell the overflow.

I just want to be able to buy the whole series in one go. No funny business. I've skipped so many series' because I don't want to deal with the hassle.

LEGO: do you not want my money?"


Exact same. I would own every single series if you could buy them and have exactly one of each. As it stands, I own 0 series and a few HP characters - once the duplicates started to appear, I stopped that non-sense right away.

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By in United Kingdom,

good grief who really cares
you're supposed to have fun with the figures you get, not worry about whether you'll get a certain figure or not
adults complaining because they can't get the tiny plastic toys they want. what a world

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By in Australia,

Well, I guess I’ll just have to buy a full box, and sell the duplicates… at cost of course, I have no intention of scalping them!

Alternatively, I could try to find a couple of local minifig collectors willing to go thirds in a full box and simply split the contents that way…

Either way, positive change for the environment outweighs any negative impacts on my convenience.

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By in United Kingdom,

@thefirst said:
" @Zander said:
" @thefirst said:
"This is probably easier than feeling the plastic bags. Just open the boxes and put them back. Most people will probably do the same. And if the box has already been opened by someone else, saves you having to do it."
So you’re proposing that CMF collectors cause criminal damage and get themselves a criminal record? No thanks both to the criminal record and the immorality of what you’re suggesting. While blind bagging is itself morally dubious, two wrongs don’t make a right and I won’t be breaking the law regardless of what LEGO does.

"


Honestly, if TLG don’t care about their shady practices, I don’t care either. I’m not talking about ripping the packaging to shreds - but carefully opening a side flap and seeing what’s inside. I doubt very much the police are going to respond to reports of opened LEGO Minifigures lol it’s hard enough getting them to respond when an actual (serious) crime is committed these days."

In the proposed packaging, you can’t ‘lift a flap’ for a cheeky peek. You either tear the packaging to see inside or you don’t see inside. As for the police not caring, they will react more readily to a shopkeeper than an ordinary member of the public. If a store manager calls the police to report someone damaging LEGO boxes in their shop, you would be surprised how quickly the rozzers will get there. The police operator is unlikely to ask the value of the goods being damaged.

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By in United Kingdom,

@EvilTwin said:
"good grief who really cares
you're supposed to have fun with the figures you get, not worry about whether you'll get a certain figure or not
adults complaining because they can't get the tiny plastic toys they want. what a world"


Honestly I kinda agree with this. Maybe its cause I'm not into CMF that much but for me they're always a "hey I have a few quid spare, I'll test my luck" and if I REALLY want one I'll just grab it off eBay or w/e for a couple quid extra for the convenience.

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By in United States,

Monumentally stupid/greedy/shortsighted.

The only way to redeem this ridiculous decision is with some sort of code like the dots to determine what's what. The only people that buy these at retail without feeling the bags are casual fans and barely interested parents. Any real fan, be they kid or adult, knows how to side-step the "blind bag" thing. If they don't include some sort of shortcut, retailers are going to be cleaning up ripped up packaging.

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By in United Kingdom,

I get the aim of doing this but maybe Lego haven't thought about some of the reasons people visit their stores. You can buy the vast majority of sets way cheaper elsewhere but the CMF series are something that personally, particularly prior to the Covid situation, always enticed me to visit my local store to get my complete set. Whilst there I would also usually buy some other Lego too. If I have to resort to buying via Bricklink; BrickOwl; eBay; or via the forum every time then that extra spend disappears and so does anything extra into the pockets of Lego.

Why not sell them via sets of 12 rather than a complete box of 36? It solves some of the problem and they brought out packs of 6 for The Muppets ones so it's not impossible to fathom.

One factor I would hate even more would be the introduction of another 'chase' minifigure that would make my collection even less complete (damn you Mr Gold!). They've done 2 more in recent times and it really wasn't fun. I'm pretty much done with most Funko Pops for the same reason as the only winner is the reseller.

Hopefully the proposed poll may give them an idea of how unpopular the proposals may be. Everyone wants to be more environmentally friendly but buying randomly several times to complete a set or get the minifigure you want makes little financial or environmental sense.

The Vidiyo Series 1 minifigures have now made their way into the 'Poundland' (where not everything is a pound) shops which gives an indication of how unpopular they were as a blind box concept as I've never seen Lego in those stores before.

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By in United States,

@EvilTwin said:
"good grief who really cares
you're supposed to have fun with the figures you get, not worry about whether you'll get a certain figure or not
adults complaining because they can't get the tiny plastic toys they want. what a world"


Yea yea yea first world problems (you know you ARE commenting on a website dedicated to a massive company that sells toys, right?) , but it is what it is. For 4.99 USD (and likely to become 5.99USD ) I want to know what Im getting. If they really want me not to care, then keep them in hard cases and make em 1.99 USD per pack again. OR again they can yknow just make a complete set to buy at LEGO.com so they do not have to 'manufacture containers for each figured that are eco friendly'.

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By in United States,

@GBP_Chris said:
"Friends, 'twas a good ride.

We shall forever hold dear the days of awkwardly standing in the toy aisle, feeling through plastic crinkly packets..."


A brilliant eulogy to a lost era.

Good customer service, free monthly minibuilds, monthly calendars, battle packs under $10. Sigh! =[

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By in Australia,

Did LEGO really not learn their lesson from Bandmates? The only reason this can work is if the price is lowered, but we all know that’s not going to happen.

Looks like I’ll have to turn to Bricklink then.

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By in United States,

If we're going totally blind and removing the ability to feel for the figure, then I think I'm done buying CMF's when this happens. Which is sad, as I've been collecting since series 1. They cost too much to go totally blind. Abd, the Vidiyo figures were always ripped open in the stores, and the same will happen here. If there's not some sort of code or something to identify them (as we had in series 1), then I think I'm retiring from collecting CMF's once this new packaging launches.

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By in Italy,

This is the end! CMFs are too expensive for a blind buy. Sorry!

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By in United States,

@madforLEGO said:
" @EvilTwin said:
"good grief who really cares
you're supposed to have fun with the figures you get, not worry about whether you'll get a certain figure or not
adults complaining because they can't get the tiny plastic toys they want. what a world"


Yea yea yea first world problems (you know you ARE commenting on a website dedicated to a massive company that sells toys, right?) , but it is what it is. For 4.99 USD (and likely to become 5.99USD ) I want to know what Im getting. If they really want me not to care, then keep them in hard cases and make em 1.99 USD per pack again. OR again they can yknow just make a complete set to buy at LEGO.com so they do not have to 'manufacture containers for each figured that are eco friendly'."


Who are these trolls who show up to a toy website and log in as a member just to denigrate people discussing toys? Have they truly nothing better to do?

Energy vampire all the way.

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By in United Kingdom,

@madforLEGO said:
"Yea yea yea first world problems (you know you ARE commenting on a website dedicated to a massive company that sells toys, right?) , "
Gosh really no I hadn't noticed, thanks so much for pointing that out
"but it is what it is. For 4.99 USD (and likely to become 5.99USD ) I want to know what Im getting. If they really want me not to care, then keep them in hard cases and make em 1.99 USD per pack again. OR again they can yknow just make a complete set to buy at LEGO.com so they do not have to 'manufacture containers for each figured that are eco friendly'."
Dunno about anyone else but usually if I think a product is too expensive or whatever I just don't buy it. I guess having a massive hissy fit about it is more popular these days

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By in United States,

@EvilTwin said:
" @madforLEGO said:
"Yea yea yea first world problems (you know you ARE commenting on a website dedicated to a massive company that sells toys, right?) , "
Gosh really no I hadn't noticed, thanks so much for pointing that out
"but it is what it is. For 4.99 USD (and likely to become 5.99USD ) I want to know what Im getting. If they really want me not to care, then keep them in hard cases and make em 1.99 USD per pack again. OR again they can yknow just make a complete set to buy at LEGO.com so they do not have to 'manufacture containers for each figured that are eco friendly'."
Dunno about anyone else but usually if I think a product is too expensive or whatever I just don't buy it. I guess having a massive hissy fit about it is more popular these days"


Energy vampire all the way.

Any chance we could get the non-evin twin to offer a comment instead?

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By in United States,

Thinking through this further, doesn't pivoting from bags to boxes mean the master box of 36 will get bigger too? And if so, won't this "environmental positive change" result in "environmental negative change" with increased packing material and a larger shipping/stocking footprint?

Additionally, we find current CMF on pegs at the checkout line (and side caps) in Targets, etc. If you can only get 5 boxes on a peg that will normally hold 20 bags, does LEGO simply expect retailers to devote more shelf space to these? And if the retailers simply move these from pegs in the checkout lanes to flat shelves in the LEGO area (like they did with Vidyo), I suspect these will sell just as poorly as they lose their "impulse" status.

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By in Australia,

We should be able to feel for the minifigs (that's part of the fun for many people) or have identifiers.

I really think people should be pushing for governments to act on climate change instead of getting all pedantic about Lego. It's millions of plastic bricks for Christ's sake! I hardly think some plastic packaging is much of a problem. This new packaging still requires cardboard (so paper, so dead trees) to make. The machines that make this packaging require materials from the environment which may or may not be sustainable.
People always forget that. They see something supposedly unenvironmentally friendly, ban it, only to replace it with a 'solution' that really isn't all that better.

At least we are getting packaging rather then just leaving bricks in the box. So many of these new 'green' ideas have been implemented (i.e ban something) without any discussion or plan for what will replace it.

A local toy store used to cut open the CMF, have a look inside, then sticky tape it back together and label which number minifig it was based on the sheet. I think they used to charge about $5-$6 a minifig which in the long run was worth it instead of wasting money on a whole bunch of minifigs you couldn't use.

I really hate it how Lego is doing super specific minfigs like costume figures who can't be used for anything else. Ultimately you've wasted money on something that just sits in a tray gathering dust. Many of you overseas have local LUGs and tons of Bricklink stores nearby in order to trade, but we don't have that here in Australia.

I don't think it would be a problem having an identifier. If you get the ones you want you're still paying Lego lots of money and many people including kids are happy just to get random. (eg a child might be given a random packet as a present). It's more us AFOLs who go to the ends of the Earth to get the exact CMF we want so by allowing us to easily do so Lego would hardly be losing money. In fact they'd probably make more because then we could find the CMF we want and buy heaps of them.

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By in United States,

@EvilTwin said:
"Dunno about anyone else but usually if I think a product is too expensive or whatever I just don't buy it. I guess having a massive hissy fit about it is more popular these days"

Ah, the old “complaining about complaining” gambit.

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By in United States,

Random was fine when they were $2-3, but at $5 I'll be buying less.

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By in United States,

I'm 100% for reducing plastic! But I'm not spending my money for something that may not be what I want. I love the CMF line and have many of them, but not all because I don't care for every single one. The cardboard boxes force you to gamble that you might not get something you want. The alternative is that you open the boxes to see what's inside. I see SO MANY "surprise" toys in stores that have been opened and discarded on the shelf because someone didn't want that particular surprise. Then the stores can't sell them. I don't want surprises.

If LEGO puts codes on the boxes so we can identify the contents, like they did the first few series of CMF and many other "surprise" toy lines currently use, then I will continue buying the figures I want.

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By in United States,

This is so frustrating. I'm all on board with reducing plastic waste, but come on... it's a bit ironic for lego of all companies to be THIS concerned about plastic waste. If they REALLY want to reduce plastic waste, stop selling new sets and just sell instruction manuals at a fraction of the price for people to build with from their existing lego collection. I mean, we don't need to buy brand new pieces every time we want to build a new set... right? But of course, Lego would never do that :) Lego's whole business model is selling unnecessary amounts of brand new plastic!!! Move like hurt consumers but on top of it feel so empty when Lego is trying to reduce the tiny amount of plastic packaging from a product made entirely out of plastic. Sometimes I think Lego's headquarters is in the twilight zone.

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By in Australia,

So many whining that they can no longer feel which minifig they are getting... yet the whole point of these collectible minifigs is that they are MEANT TO BE RANDOM. Get over it guys. And this type of packaging was always inevitable - we simply use far too much plastic.

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By in Australia,

@apolloivanhoe said:
"This is so frustrating. I'm all on board with reducing plastic waste, but come on... it's a bit ironic for lego of all companies to be THIS concerned about plastic waste. If they REALLY want to reduce plastic waste, stop selling new sets and just sell instruction manuals at a fraction of the price for people to build with from their existing lego collection. I mean, we don't need to buy brand new pieces every time we want to build a new set... right? But of course, Lego would never do that :) Lego's whole business model is selling unnecessary amounts of brand new plastic!!! Move like hurt consumers but on top of it feel so empty when Lego is trying to reduce the tiny amount of plastic packaging from a product made entirely out of plastic. Sometimes I think Lego's headquarters is in the twilight zone."

What a lot of people seem to be missing is that tons of plastic bags end up in the oceans and cause destruction and loss of life to wildlife. They are also not biodegradable. It is staggering to see the damage we are doing with plastic bags alone, so while this move is not flawless it is definitely better.

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By in Canada,

Selling full sets of the CMF's in one box would save a lot of packaging too...

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By in United States,

@Bevski said:
"All this does is put money in scalper's pockets on sites like Bricklink, a real shame!"

Well, you can still go to the local "Bricks & Minifigs" store and get one that has been opened to see which one it is... Oh wait, they are "scalpers" too.

If you want a specific Minifigure, you may just have to pay extra for it, or just buy as many as you can afford. perhaps you will get lucky?

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By in United States,

Not a big deal from my point of view. I’ve already bought all the Super Hero CMF sets and the second LEGO Batman CMF set on eBay after spending way too much time feeling for figures in bags for the first LEGO Batman CMF set. To me, the slight premium over the cost of the figures alone is easily worth the convenience. If the same people crack open the packages and sell complete sets for a $15 premium, shipping included, I’m in.

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By in United States,

@monki said:
"So many whining that they can no longer feel which minifig they are getting... yet the whole point of these collectible minifigs is that they are MEANT TO BE RANDOM. Get over it guys. And this type of packaging was always inevitable - we simply use far too much plastic."

Yeah, and that’s a malicious point. It’s a money grab that prevents people from being able to purchase a product they want in a normal retail exchange. The feel method was the only thing that allowed for a moral loophole in the whole thing.

If you just don’t care, that’s fine, but whining about whining from people who do is just trolling.

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By in United States,

Not sure if I am duplicating a comment as there are a LOT of comments, BUT I might just go to buying a whole case and selling the duplicates and non-wanted ones on ebay and/or bricklink. Hopefully LEGO will UP the production quantity in case a lot of people just buy cases reducing the normal amount that would be on store shelves. I have been feeling the CMF bags since Series 3 ,after they stopped the barcodes identifying which figure was in the bag for series 1 & 2, and am 99% accurate! I guess I will have to buy a precise scale to use in the stores once I know how much the ones I want weigh if I don't want to buy full cases.

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By in Australia,

@SirBlake said:
" @monki said:
"So many whining that they can no longer feel which minifig they are getting... yet the whole point of these collectible minifigs is that they are MEANT TO BE RANDOM. Get over it guys. And this type of packaging was always inevitable - we simply use far too much plastic."

Yeah, and that’s a malicious point. It’s a money grab that prevents people from being able to purchase a product they want in a normal retail exchange. The feel method was the only thing that allowed for a moral loophole in the whole thing.

If you just don’t care, that’s fine, but whining about whining from people who do is just trolling. "


You can have your opinion but I don't agree that this is a money grab, they simply had to come up with an alternate to plastic polybags. And please leave the insults aside.

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By in United States,

@hawkeye7269 said:
" @CapnRex101 said:
"We are intending to publish a poll shortly, hopefully identifying the extent to which Brickset readers' Collectable Minifigures buying habits might be affected by this change. This is our current question and the proposed options:

Will the new Collectable Minifigure packaging affect your buying habits?

Yes, I will no longer buy any Collectable Minifigures
Yes, I will be more selective about which series of Collectable Minifigures I consider buying
No, I already buy Collectable Minifigures at random, without trying to identify the contents
No, I already buy boxes of Collectable Minifigures to guarantee getting the complete series

Please let us know if you think we should include any other options."


Feels like there's a missing middle option here - something like "I want to keep collecting them all, but I'm not sure what I'll do now.""


Yeah, like an option that says "Well, I'm stuck doing whatever I can with whatever is left unopened at the store"

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By in United States,

In all honesty, this stinks. In Austin, Target and Walmart are the only stores that carry current collectible Minifigures. But with so many people going into the stores the minifigures get stolen more often than bought. With a cardboard casing this will only increase and leave buyers like myself scrounging around the shelves for pieces to try to put one together.

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By in Poland,

As a kid I loved picking up one bag at the store and guessing which character is in it. Kinda sad that it won’t be possible anymore but if we want to reduce waste then it’s probably for the better

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By in United States,

@GBP_Chris said:
"Friends, 'twas a good ride.

We shall forever hold dear the days of awkwardly standing in the toy aisle, feeling through plastic crinkly packets, filling the air with the sounds of consistent crinkling, forgetting which pile of bags was already checked and which was not, forgetting which ones we set aside and why, all to carefully place all the bags we didn't want back in the little cardboard tray and resume shopping under the guise of responsible adults who buy things like shampoo and eggs and whatnot.

A day will come, my friends, where the children shall tell us that they wish they could check the minifigure inside, and we - yes we, the witnesses of an era long ago - shall take them aside and tell the story of those plastic crinkly packets. We shall regail them with tales of feeling for that elusive Series 2 Spartan, or falling into the Mr. Gold hype, or the confusing Marvel series where, for some reason, everyone had a Captain America shield. We shall tell them of a day of bliss before the days of darkness, and like them, we shall weep.

You never know what you got until it's gone. Cherish the plastic crinkly packets while you can, and turn your eyes to seek out a better day."


Just read this AGAIN and laughed out loud. Too good, my friend, too damn good!

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By in United Kingdom,

This is a good move, ecologically speaking, but it is clearly going to draw some anger from the AFOL community.
While it will be impossible to 'feel' for a particular fig, the layout of the boxes should remain consistent, so you should be able to pick out the ones you want from an undisturbed box.
With the likelihood that this will just lead to more scalping going on, perhaps TLG should commit to offering specific figs for sale on their site, or in store, at some point after launch of each series - so once the initial sales rush is over, you can get any figs you might be missing without paying over the odds for it on fleaBay, etc?

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By in Australia,

Goodbye old friend, and May the Force be with you

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By in United States,

@tne328 said:
" @BrickTeller said:
"With truly blind, random packages, expect to buy an average of 37 minifigures to complete your set of 12.

In mathematics, this is called the "coupon collector's problem". In business, this is called selling people more than they actually want. It's a great way to make money. It's also incredibly wasteful. Calling it "sustainable" is egregious greenwashing."


I don't doubt you when you say "fully random" requires 37 minifigures. It makes a lot of sense, then, why each case comes with 36, and you get 3 full sets instead. "Hey, you can buy one fewer minifig, and be guaranteed 3 sets instead of one!""


37 is an average, you'll have a 50% change of completing the set with 37 purchases. For the unlucky half, it will take more. It was much worse with the sets of 16, 19, or 20, taking as much as 72 random purchases.

Making a plan to split a full case with friends is always your best bet. I expect there will be a lot of this happening in LUGs if TLG doesn't change course.

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By in United States,

Overall, it's just disappointing that TLG is going on all-in on paper-based packaging rather than looking at their impact holistically.

Paper has a bigger carbon footprint than thin-film plastic packaging and requires significantly more water during manufacturing. The cardboard box will almost certainly weigh more and occupy more volume than the plastic package it replaces, which means more trucks or ships (and fuel) to transport, empty and full.

The biggest environmental benefit I see is that when customers litter, cardboard will eventually decompose whereas the plastic will essentially persist forever. But I'm still optimistic enough to hope that if not properly recycled, most packaging will at least find its way to a landfill or incinerator.

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By in United States,

It's obscene to make people buy 2x as many as needed, at $5 each, just to get a complete set by accident. So yeah, I will never buy these again unless I can get a guaranteed complete set. They should just sell them as complete sets and be done with it. Playing the lottery for all of my kids' childhood is stupid after a point. It was embarrassing sorting them out in the store by feel but it would be even more embarrassing to pay $200 for 12 mini figures with tons of extras that we don't want or need.

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By in Ireland,

No problem with them as a random offering for kids to pick up in store but Lego should offer an online option to purchase a complete set of 12. Other sellers will be doing this anyway

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By in United States,

to bricklink or ebay I'll go for complete sets, depending on price. Since I can't feel the bags anymore, I won't be attempting to buy any blind. Tried that with Vidiyo a few times and only got repeats of the worst figures. No thanks, LEGO. You will have to get my money elsewhere.

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By in Sweden,

if you really want to save the planet AND satisfy the bigboy AFOLs, that want to stand 2+ hrs in a toy store for feeling their figure: keep the packaging to plastic but change all Lego to paper.

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By in Canada,

THIS. IS. STUUUUUPID...Hey TLG, do the world a favor: keep the plastic, lose the foil...seriously, foil bag are THE WORST to try and recycle...If you really want to improve things, switch your bags to be more like your old 'Mixels' series bag, or even just smaller polybags...And place a recycle-triangle indicating which bin it goes...these are the ways to improve things...

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By in United Kingdom,

Ahhh… I’m going to miss hanging out in Tesco, late at night, getting strange looks, as I feel through boxes of CMF

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By in United States,

@roman777 said:
"if you really want to save the planet AND satisfy the bigboy AFOLs, that want to stand 2+ hrs in a toy store for feeling their figure: keep the packaging to plastic but change all Lego to paper."
This big boy AFOL really only needs 15 to 20 minutes.

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By in United States,

@lusci said:
"Absurd! A company that sells PLASTIC makes the moral with the packaging ... Believe me when I say that even those who sell the SEALED Minifigures in the secondary market guaranteeing their content with a meticulous and careful research through touch will lose a lot. What a shame!"

At least they are trying. I also agree those sellers will lose a lot. I would spend a lot of time figuring out what they are, that is now gone. I wish they would of gone with the paper bag. https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/news/2021/june/prototype-lego-brick-recycled-plastic/

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By in United States,

As a Lego collector, I would spend a lot of time figuring out which ones they were in the stores. When the pandemic hit, the Lego store that is 2 hours away would have the minifigures marked because we could not touch them. That was awesome! I would be willing to pay a little more for them selling complete sets of minifigures. Not the big box, just sets or having a code, some type of indicator to tell us which one they are.

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By in Sweden,

Two words are enough:
Hate it!!!!!!

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By in United States,

I've done that in the past, especially around series 10! I found the results to be quite accurate, though you need a level service and patience. It turned out to be faster than feeling up the bags.

@Koend1999 said:
" @denn said:
"sorry for those pack-feelers, that era's over. now to guess by shaking and listening? "
Or bring a small, precise coffee scale and weigh them? I am sure that soon we will see detailed weights of the different figures in their boxes, and since each figure will be slightly different this should be somewhat possible ????

"


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By in United Kingdom,

@Bevski said:
"All tihs does is put money in scalper's pockets on sites like Bricklink, a real shame!"

That's what blind-packing does. Congrats on failing to grasp that and somehow blaming packaging improvements for the problems of the business model.

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