Random set of the day: Protector of Water
Posted by Huwbot,
Today's random set is 70780 Protector of Water, released during 2015. It's one of 22 Bionicle sets produced that year. It contains 71 pieces, and its retail price was US$9.99/£9.99.
It's owned by 1,772 Brickset members. If you want to add it to your collection you should find it for sale at BrickLink, where new ones sell for around $59.40, or eBay.
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Wondering if we get detailed lore or just quick lore from GSR today, being that this is from the simplified reboot canon.
It hasn't been 10 years since Bionicle G2, that's a lie! *becomes dust*
Bionicle: The Hero Factory Years
One of my first G2 sets along with Tahu. I wasn't that impressed with him compared to the Toa.
...
Ended up with all the other Protectors and 30 something MOCs in the same build style depicting G1 characters in G2 Protector form. I may have liked this set more with time than I had at first glance.
I love how even though the entire Bionicle story got a hard reboot, the little helper dudes were *still* the best toys out of the whole thing.
The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them."
Technically this guy’s actual name is Kivoda, but the box won’t tell you that. Utterly bizarre marketing choice as it essentially made all these toys non-characters - part of G1’s appeal was that almost every single figure had their own name and story, which was seemingly ignored for G2 outside of the Toa themselves
@TotalMaddness said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them."
Technically this guy’s actual name is Kivoda, but the box won’t tell you that. Utterly bizarre marketing choice as it essentially made all these toys non-characters - part of G1’s appeal was that almost every single figure had their own name and story, which was seemingly ignored for G2 outside of the Toa themselves"
Ryder Windham named these characters, not LEGO's story group from what I understand. Ryder was doing a lot of heavy lifting!
I think the underlying problem with Bionicle Gen 2 was that it released so soon after the original theme retired. There wasn't enough time for that sweet sweet nostalgia to simmer, and not only that but there were probably kids in the theme's target age range who were either old enough to see Bionicle sets on shelves or had seen the parts in bulk bins at schools and whatnot. I feel like if the theme had maybe released just 5 years later than it did, it might not have been such a massive flop.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them."
They didn't break any laws (or if they did, it only applied in New Zealand). It was just culturally insensitive, all the more so because they used a term that probably would have worked better for the Turaga to describe the regular villager characters instead. But I never heard a single word about them being taken to court over the matter. They just got hit with some vocal internet backlash. And BZP got shut down with a DNS attack because, unlike TLG, they didn't take it seriously, and one of the three admins mouthed off about it on the website.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them."
They didn't break any laws (or if they did, it only applied in New Zealand). It was just culturally insensitive, all the more so because they used a term that probably would have worked better for the Turaga to describe the regular villager characters instead. But I never heard a single word about them being taken to court over the matter. They just got hit with some vocal internet backlash. And BZP got shut down with a DNS attack because, unlike TLG, they didn't take it seriously, and one of the three admins mouthed off about it on the website."
It's more than culturally insensitive. I know for a fact that Lego was forced into a court case for the misuse of Maori words and their definitions.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"It's more than culturally insensitive. I know for a fact that Lego was forced into a court case for the misuse of Maori words and their definitions. "
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lego-says-maori-influenced-toys-were-legal/JRZZDVKTCKWKHKJZCNO36QWATY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fantasy-toys-spark-legal-game-between-maori-group-and-lego/Z44GDRIJHEFLA6EM2APYNKQ5LY/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/vwoli9/busting_a_myth_lego_trying_to_trademark_the_maori/
Never went to court. There was a move to file a lawsuit (dunno if it ever actually got past the issuance of C&D letters, or if it really did get filed with the court system), but that's a civil matter, not a criminal one. And the basis for this was the perception that TLG was trying to "patent" (technically, this would fall under trademark law) certain words, when TLG stated quite succinctly that the only term that was filed for legal protection was, in fact, "Bionicle", a portmanteau that they created.
Regardless, it was settled out of court, and TLG set up strict guidelines for how to navigate similar cultural issues in the future, having recognized that they overstepped from an ethical standpoint (if not a criminal one).
@TotalMaddness said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"The names are lame compared to the ones from the OG line. Even though they unlawfully used a language for them."
Technically this guy’s actual name is Kivoda, but the box won’t tell you that. Utterly bizarre marketing choice as it essentially made all these toys non-characters - part of G1’s appeal was that almost every single figure had their own name and story, which was seemingly ignored for G2 outside of the Toa themselves"
The Protectors also suffer from identically shaped masks.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"It's more than culturally insensitive. I know for a fact that Lego was forced into a court case for the misuse of Maori words and their definitions. "
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lego-says-maori-influenced-toys-were-legal/JRZZDVKTCKWKHKJZCNO36QWATY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fantasy-toys-spark-legal-game-between-maori-group-and-lego/Z44GDRIJHEFLA6EM2APYNKQ5LY/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/vwoli9/busting_a_myth_lego_trying_to_trademark_the_maori/
Never went to court. There was a move to file a lawsuit (dunno if it ever actually got past the issuance of C&D letters, or if it really did get filed with the court system), but that's a civil matter, not a criminal one. And the basis for this was the perception that TLG was trying to "patent" (technically, this would fall under trademark law) certain words, when TLG stated quite succinctly that the only term that was filed for legal protection was, in fact, "Bionicle", a portmanteau that they created.
Regardless, it was settled out of court, and TLG set up strict guidelines for how to navigate similar cultural issues in the future, having recognized that they overstepped from an ethical standpoint (if not a criminal one)."
https://www.critic.co.nz/features/article/10846/bionicle-the-craziest-use-of-te-reo-youve-never-he
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"It's more than culturally insensitive. I know for a fact that Lego was forced into a court case for the misuse of Maori words and their definitions. "
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lego-says-maori-influenced-toys-were-legal/JRZZDVKTCKWKHKJZCNO36QWATY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fantasy-toys-spark-legal-game-between-maori-group-and-lego/Z44GDRIJHEFLA6EM2APYNKQ5LY/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/vwoli9/busting_a_myth_lego_trying_to_trademark_the_maori/
Never went to court. There was a move to file a lawsuit (dunno if it ever actually got past the issuance of C&D letters, or if it really did get filed with the court system), but that's a civil matter, not a criminal one. And the basis for this was the perception that TLG was trying to "patent" (technically, this would fall under trademark law) certain words, when TLG stated quite succinctly that the only term that was filed for legal protection was, in fact, "Bionicle", a portmanteau that they created.
Regardless, it was settled out of court, and TLG set up strict guidelines for how to navigate similar cultural issues in the future, having recognized that they overstepped from an ethical standpoint (if not a criminal one)."
https://www.critic.co.nz/features/article/10846/bionicle-the-craziest-use-of-te-reo-youve-never-he"
I don't know if that is supposed to prove there was a court case, since all that says is "a lawyer wrote a strongly worded letter" which is exactly what the cease & desist PurpleDave was talking about earlier is. I don't know if cease & desist is more of an American legal term than a New Zealand one, but by all accounts a "hey stop this or we might take further legal action" followed by a voluntary settlement and agreement between the two parties is not the same as being taken to court.
If LEGO ignored the letter then there could have been a court case. But LEGO ceased, and desisted and it all turned out quiet in the end.
@Maxbricks14:
Just skimming through there, I see a few misrepresentations. For one, the Turaga were never renamed. They were Turaga from the very start, and stayed Turaga after the dust settled. For another I don't think TLG was really quaking in their boots at the thought of being viciously attacked in a country that they barely offer any product support to. Third, the author even specifically states that the Maori language wasn't given any sort of legal trademark status until _2002_, clearly in direct response to this whole ordeal. Under any trademark law that I'm familiar with, if someone can establish prior use, they can legally ignore any trademark protections that have been granted to someone else...or they can get the trademark permanently revoked.
But there's still nothing in there about this landing in a physical courtroom, nor about any criminal charges, nor even about a civil lawsuit actually being filed. A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended.
Okay it's super weird seeing G2 on RSOTD I don't like this
@PurpleDave said:
"A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended."
I'm going to take a wild stab here too... LEGO probably gets those letters ALL THE TIME. Most from dime rate lawyers who make Lionel Hutz on The Simpsons look like a genius. LEGO probably likes to wad up the paper those cease and desist letters come in on and use it to smoke cigars stuffed with the wads of cash they make as a company. :P
That the Maori one got LEGO's immediate attention at all probably was due to LEGO quickly realizing the absolute PR disaster they stumbled into, a willingness to cooperate with the Maori seeing no real loss if the Tohunga were now the Matoran (besides all the key Maori terms like Toa remain in the franchise); and credit to Maui Solomon being a good lawyer who actually probably wrote an excellent letter; clearly having a passion on the subject as a Pacific Islander himself.
I think the idea of it being a lawsuit came more from a fanbase that was primarily seven years old at the time it happened not knowing enough legal terms to know what really went down, so the idea of LEGO in the courtroom ran rampant in kid's imaginations.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 :
Just skimming through there, I see a few misrepresentations. For one, the Turaga were never renamed. They were Turaga from the very start, and stayed Turaga after the dust settled. For another I don't think TLG was really quaking in their boots at the thought of being viciously attacked in a country that they barely offer any product support to. Third, the author even specifically states that the Maori language wasn't given any sort of legal trademark status until _2002_, clearly in direct response to this whole ordeal. Under any trademark law that I'm familiar with, if someone can establish prior use, they can legally ignore any trademark protections that have been granted to someone else...or they can get the trademark permanently revoked.
But there's still nothing in there about this landing in a physical courtroom, nor about any criminal charges, nor even about a civil lawsuit actually being filed. A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended."
I'm taking their word over yours, knowing some of the random stuff you come up with.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 :
Just skimming through there, I see a few misrepresentations. For one, the Turaga were never renamed. They were Turaga from the very start, and stayed Turaga after the dust settled. For another I don't think TLG was really quaking in their boots at the thought of being viciously attacked in a country that they barely offer any product support to. Third, the author even specifically states that the Maori language wasn't given any sort of legal trademark status until _2002_, clearly in direct response to this whole ordeal. Under any trademark law that I'm familiar with, if someone can establish prior use, they can legally ignore any trademark protections that have been granted to someone else...or they can get the trademark permanently revoked.
But there's still nothing in there about this landing in a physical courtroom, nor about any criminal charges, nor even about a civil lawsuit actually being filed. A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended."
I'm taking their word over yours, knowing some of the random stuff you come up with."
I don't see anything in the articles disproving anything PurpleDave has stated; if anything it's only bolstered the idea you're misinterpreting them due to an emotional prior bias towards PurpleDave and wanting to prove him wrong; not realizing you handed out a piece of evidence that only further supported Dave's arguments.
I am not going to say I am an expert in law, let alone New Zealand law; but I did study some intellectual property law in brief as part of my engineering school. During that I learned a lot of the laws I was being taught were rooted in century old practices from English Common Law, and from what I can tell both America and New Zealand share Common Law as their historical legal foundation. So it gives me enough confidence to say that a cease and desist letter probably works very much the same in New Zealand as it does in the system I am familiar with, and that wouldn't constitute "going to court" or a "lawsuit" in the terms defined by that system.
And yeah I thought it was the "Maori Lawsuit" myself for years but again, I was seven when it happened and probably 11 when I first read about it in retrospect on BZPower. Kids had a way of skewing the history of Bionicle to a way we understood it back then, even if as adults in hindsight its clear that some events had been misinterpreted by the community.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 :
Just skimming through there, I see a few misrepresentations. For one, the Turaga were never renamed. They were Turaga from the very start, and stayed Turaga after the dust settled. For another I don't think TLG was really quaking in their boots at the thought of being viciously attacked in a country that they barely offer any product support to. Third, the author even specifically states that the Maori language wasn't given any sort of legal trademark status until _2002_, clearly in direct response to this whole ordeal. Under any trademark law that I'm familiar with, if someone can establish prior use, they can legally ignore any trademark protections that have been granted to someone else...or they can get the trademark permanently revoked.
But there's still nothing in there about this landing in a physical courtroom, nor about any criminal charges, nor even about a civil lawsuit actually being filed. A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended."
I'm taking their word over yours, knowing some of the random stuff you come up with."
Nah mate, speaking as a law student, you'd be surprised at how few civil matters end up in litigation. Most people are smart enough to know that courts are expensive, time-consuming and just not as efficient as sorting out a dispute themselves.
And that article you link mentions NOTHING about a lawsuit or court case. In fact, according to it, LEGO obliged by the letter and worked to remedy it over the next few years. End of story.
@Maxbricks14 said:
"I'm taking their word over yours, knowing some of the random stuff you come up with."
You’re taking the word of a blogger who clearly admits a lack of understanding over the matter, and gets obvious facts wrong (like the idea that Turaga were renamed like how Tohunga became Matoran) over two articles from a New Zealand newspaper, and one more from a UK paper? Okay, here’s some random stuff I came up with. If any court filing actually did happen, it should be a matter of public record. Go find it.
@PurpleDave said:
"Okay, here’s some random stuff I came up with. If any court filing actually did happen, it should be a matter of public record. Go find it."
The LEGO RSoTD debate equivalent to Kendrick LaMarr walking out during halftime, smiling at the camera and saying "heyyyy Drake...." Pack it up guys, the argument on who won the "was it a lawsuit?" debate is over.
Anyways aren't we overdue for the Great Spirit to descend and give us Kivoda's lore dump? Or am I going to have to look that up on BioSector01 myself tonight? :P
We've gotten the irl lore, now for the fun part
On a completely unrelated note, here's something else I came up with:
https://brickshelf.com/gallery/PurpleDave/Humor/cupillithid.jpg
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone!
Okay everyone, after some lengthy research on the Internet, I have come to the conclusion that PurprleDave and co. are indeed correct. Argument withdrawn.
I think both the Masters and the Protectors were simply excellent, in fact, the single best wave in terms of product quality, value, aesthetics, and part selection in the whole history of Bionicle imo. Their fabulous color schemes, redesigned elements that were clearly call backs, and an overwhelming amount of trans colors made sure the first 2015 wave really set the golden standard for the remainder of G2. The extra masks as collectibles with the 'conflict in a box' approach were just the cherry on the top.
This little set was also one of the better protectors, as the turbines, harpoons, and the various shades of (trans) blues helped immensely in evoking an aquatic character. Very close to perfection in my book.
These might have been the small guys, but it was impressive they all had notably different body types much like the original Turaga (sorta) did and unlike the small sets of later Bionicle
I got all the toa but never got around to the protectors. I have Ekimu and Narmoto (the Protector of Fire) now.
Kivoda has a fun weapon the fits his environment well.
By the way:
Kivoda was the protector of water. He (unlike the G1 matoran the islanders of Okoto aren't a certain gender per tribe) holds the rank of Potector of Water, which is a mantle passed down from generations. The mask, weapon and armor are part of the tradition, so he looks identical to his forefathers. He was the protector of his village an elite fighter and most agile underwater.
Kivoda was around when the Toa descended from the sky to Okoto. He helped Gali find her golden mask. He might have been attacked by a skull spider but definitely did help fend them off.
He might have helped fight the Lord of the Skull Spiders after it turned out to have survived.
If this sounds basic compared to what we usually have with G1... welcome to the storytelling of G2. The Toa did more but I'm not sure the protectors were even expanded much upon beyind being there when the masks were searched for.
Most of the details I named were also barely anywhere to be found, including the name Kivoda.
@RaiderOfTheLostBrick said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Maxbricks14 :
Just skimming through there, I see a few misrepresentations. For one, the Turaga were never renamed. They were Turaga from the very start, and stayed Turaga after the dust settled. For another I don't think TLG was really quaking in their boots at the thought of being viciously attacked in a country that they barely offer any product support to. Third, the author even specifically states that the Maori language wasn't given any sort of legal trademark status until _2002_, clearly in direct response to this whole ordeal. Under any trademark law that I'm familiar with, if someone can establish prior use, they can legally ignore any trademark protections that have been granted to someone else...or they can get the trademark permanently revoked.
But there's still nothing in there about this landing in a physical courtroom, nor about any criminal charges, nor even about a civil lawsuit actually being filed. A lawyer sent a C&D (Cease & Desist), or something similar, which is the first step towards filing a civil lawsuit. For criminal charges, you go to the police, not the aggrieving party. The letter was received, and responded to in a favorable manner, so that's where the lawyer's involvement ended."
I'm taking their word over yours, knowing some of the random stuff you come up with."
Nah mate, speaking as a law student, you'd be surprised at how few civil matters end up in litigation. Most people are smart enough to know that courts are expensive, time-consuming and just not as efficient as sorting out a dispute themselves.
And that article you link mentions NOTHING about a lawsuit or court case. In fact, according to it, LEGO obliged by the letter and worked to remedy it over the next few years. End of story.
"
Here is a podcast episode BY LEGO, about the whole development, rise, and downfall of Bonc:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7641deYSOvNDVfbT4xYMym
It's a great podcast; listen to some of the other episodes.
I loved all of the Protector sets, very fun tool and turbines on this one! Always a joy to see the best theme in RSOTD
Looks more like Hero Factory than Bionicle.
I had this set as a kid along with some other 2015 Bionicle sets. What I remember most is playing with this in the pool, where its thrusters would actually spin as I moved it through the water.
I wondered how long it would be until G2 made Random Set of the Day, now that it's old enough to be picked. Nice, nice.
Not that I have any connection to G2, I was in my dark age and slept through the whole thing by accident - I vaguely knew it was happening, but when I checked back in to BZP a couple of years after I'd first learned about it, to see how it was going, I was bemused to find out that it was already over! - but it's still nice to see the brand. I feel like these small guys and girls were some of the most 'Bionicle-feeling' sets of the reboot, most of the bigger sets like the skull villains or whoever just didn't give me the classic vibe the way these guys do. Don't have any of them myself, though; my only G2 set is Lewa Uniter who I got for participating in a BZPower fanfic exchange.
That said, I haven't learned any of the Protector's names, so this is just "G2 Macku" as far as I'm concerned xD (Not really, but still...!)
@Robot99 said:
"Wondering if we get detailed lore or just quick lore from GSR today, being that this is from the simplified reboot canon."
No GSR??..... :(
a day without sun
@PurpleDave said:"On a completely unrelated note, here's something else I came up with:
https://brickshelf.com/gallery/PurpleDave/Humor/cupillithid.jpg
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone!"
I cant't decide if that's the best valentine I've ever seen, or the worst.
@Ridgeheart said:
"Heronicle?
Honestly, I kind of like that name. No Kjeld, you can't have it. Pay me."
Similarly, I'll be keeping "Bio Factory" to myself.
I don't know anything about Bionicle.
That is all.
@GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left.
Is GSR out sick? Or perhaps preoccupied with the holiday?
On the island of Okoto, the inhabitants were divided into six tribes based on the regions of the island from which they hailed: Fire, Ice, Jungle, Water, Stone, and Earth. Each tribe was led and defended by a Protector gifted with masks that granted them use of the elemental power associated with their region. These masks, together with the weapons and other equipment used by each Protector, were passed down through each Protector’s family line. At the time Okoto was menaced by the Skull Spiders, the Protector of Water was a male named Kivoda.
Together with his fellow Protectors, Kivoda gathered at the Temple of Time in order to enact a ceremony that would summon the Toa. He would later meet Toa Gali and assist her on the quest to claim her Golden Mask of Water. Afterwards, he would once again join with the other Protectors on a mission to the City of the Mask Makers. This would see them face the Lord of Skull Spiders and several Skull Warriors before reuniting with the Toa and meeting Ekimu himself. The Protectors would then lead their people in resettling in the City of the Mask Makers.
Kivoda was wise, but could at times be frustrated when his fellow Protectors became distracted. His weapon was an Elemental Torpedo Blaster. Kivoda also sported a pair of turbines that helped him travel through water at great speed. However, he was perhaps overly attached to them, even wearing them on his mission to the landlocked City of the Mask Makers.
Is GSR out sick? Or perhaps preoccupied with the holiday?
On the island of Okoto, the inhabitants were divided into six tribes based on the regions of the island from which they hailed: Fire, Ice, Jungle, Water, Stone, and Earth. Each tribe was led and defended by a Protector gifted with masks that granted them use of the elemental power associated with their region. These masks, together with the weapons and other equipment used by each Protector, were passed down through each Protector’s family line. At the time Okoto was menaced by the Skull Spiders, the Protector of Water was a male named Kivoda.
Together with his fellow Protectors, Kivoda gathered at the Temple of Time in order to enact a ceremony that would summon the Toa. He would later meet Toa Gali and assist her on the quest to claim her Golden Mask of Water. Afterwards, he would once again join with the other Protectors on a mission to the City of the Mask Makers. This would see them face the Lord of Skull Spiders and several Skull Warriors before reuniting with the Toa and meeting Ekimu himself. The Protectors would then lead their people in resettling in the City of the Mask Makers.
Kivoda was wise, but could at times be frustrated when his fellow Protectors became distracted. His weapon was an Elemental Torpedo Blaster. Kivoda also sported a pair of turbines that helped him travel through water at great speed. However, he was perhaps overly attached to them, even wearing them on his mission to the landlocked City of the Mask Makers.
Honestly tired of PurpleDave's hatred of CCBS under anything G2-related. Yes, aesthetically the sets don't follow the original piston-heavy aesthetic of Generation 1, yes, CCBS didn't allow for the yearly reinvention of body systems of Bionicle between 2001 and 2006, and yes, the decreased emphasis on Technic in the building format makes the bone-and-shell system have fewer opportunities to utilize advanced MOCing techniques. Despite that, not only was build simplicity a part of Bionicle's success in the early years, but G2 *did* mark a pivot back into Technic-based construction, especially in 2016, where many sets had fully custom Technic-built limbs, play functions based on gears, Technic beams, and towball couplings, of which there was extremely few in Hero Factory. While this particular set isn't remarkable in those aspects, it still demonstrated how these sets made variety in how the six-shooter was involved in unique Technic-based weapons for each Protector, which is a significant departure from Hero Factory's often basic weaponry and overreliance on reusing their modified Thronax blaster as-is (not to mention a straight improvement on every previous G1 projectile's implementation, which were incorporated identically on every canister set that featured it; just incorporated into their torsos in one place or held in the hand with maybe one unique add-on piece or shoulder mount).
@Alia_of_AGL:
CCBS is emblematic of the same sort of problems they had with Jack Stone, and other quick-build themes back when the brand was running in the red. It’s a stick figure that you snap shells onto to form the body. Many sets don’t even bother to fill in the back of the torso (a problem I also had with I think the third generation of G1 Matorans, with the triangular torso plates). I’m not saying the original Toa/Turaga/Matoran were super complicated builds themselves (though the Rahi definitely were), but every CCBS set I’ve built felt very same-y, no matter the theme, and also half-finished. I didn’t like the Toa Metru designs as much as the Toa Mata, but at least the Metru felt like their own thing rather than just reskinning the same frame with a different character.
@MCLegoboy said:
" @GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left."
I'm kinda worried about @GSR_MataNui ....I hope everything is ok with him! What would we do without our resident Loremaster?
@Murdoch17 said:
" @MCLegoboy said:
" @GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left."
I'm kinda worried about @GSR_MataNui ....I hope everything is ok with him! What would we do without our resident Loremaster?"
He was last online 4 days ago.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @MCLegoboy said:
" @GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left."
I'm kinda worried about @GSR_MataNui ....I hope everything is ok with him! What would we do without our resident Loremaster?"
He was last online 4 days ago."
Well, that's not good. Hoping he's just on vacation or something...
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @MCLegoboy said:
" @GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left."
I'm kinda worried about @GSR_MataNui ....I hope everything is ok with him! What would we do without our resident Loremaster?"
He was last online 4 days ago."
Well, that's not good. Hoping he's just on vacation or something..."
Well, he's got another 24 hours to show. I forgot that it was Friday, which means Vintage Set comes in and allows the Random Set another day to accrue comments.
@MCLegoboy said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @MCLegoboy said:
" @GSR_MataNui Where are you, dude? You only have a 6 hours and 45 minutes left."
I'm kinda worried about @GSR_MataNui ....I hope everything is ok with him! What would we do without our resident Loremaster?"
He was last online 4 days ago."
Well, that's not good. Hoping he's just on vacation or something..."
Well, he's got another 24 hours to show. I forgot that it was Friday, which means Vintage Set comes in and allows the Random Set another day to accrue comments."
We'll be on the edge of our seats in wait.
I hope GSR_MataNui is okay. And that we collectively managed to provide enough lore to fill in in the meantime.
About CCBS, I disagree that it's anywhere close to as limited as Jack Stone and the like.
Sure CCBS is very simple on figures like the Ordeal of Fire heroes. But as soon as you go bigger there's a surprising amount of potential.
CCBS didn't have a lot of 'titans' at first, and they had to find a good balance first between just making a larger figure or going full custom.
But in my experience the Darth Vaders 75111 and 75534, 75112 General Grievous, 2283 Witch Doctor, 70212 CHI Sir Fanger, 44009 Dragon Bolt, 44021 Splitter Beast, 2282 Rocka XL, 71310 Umarak the Hunter, 71316 Umarak the Destroyer are all great and very varied builds.
On beasts like Dragon Bolt you see how shells are not just any one thing and can be used on many places. And how you can still have technic functions. With the Umaraks you see how you can keep resemblance between different incarnations. With Rocka, the Witch Doctor, Grievous and Vader 2015 you see just how much can be done when making custom titans. With the Vaders you can see how the same subject can be tackled quite differently. With Splitter Beast how even 'simple' does not equal 'basic'. And with Chi Fanger and Umarak the Hunter just how much personality you can build with adding normal extra pieces.
Oh, and these are lightweight too.
The toa Okoto and toa Uniters also have more variety in how they are built than any regular group of canister sets between 2002-2006 ever did. If you only ever got Bohrok you might think the system is limited too after a while, right? (I LOVE the design of Bohrok by the way). Or more aptly the toa Inika. It took until the Mahri to get varied body shapes with them. But even the Toa Mata didn't exactly have different torso builds (except the flipped one with Pohatu).
CCBS works best if you add some technic and have some varied parts to work with, just as how bionicle's building systems worked best when they did.
Compare that to literal prefab-based building with Jack Stone. Good luck using that giant windscreen the size of a whole car anywhere else, with or without more complex and varied parts around it.
That's how I experienced CCBS by the way. My first set was 2231 Waspix, followed by 2063 Stormer 2.0. It wasn't until later that I started to experience just what the system was capable of, as 2011 had a rough start with it.
But it has provided a varied amount of builds and was just different from what came before. But still just as compatible.
@Binnekamp:
Grievous was interesting solely because his body is so unique that they had to do weird things to make it happen (I went through the same thing when I built my G1 Bionicle Grievous). The Scout Trooper was interesting, but only because of the vehicle he was sitting on. I've been intending to build the Boba Fett for several years now, and I just haven't been able to care enough to pop the seal yet because I know it's going to basically be the same build as the Scout Trooper, but with a different backpack. Whatever they may have done with Titans and other large models, CCBS just didn't provide a varied build experience for smaller humanoid designs, hence why Jyn Erso is one of the most reviled sets produced since the company recovered from their Jack Stone era (plus it didn't help that Jyn is one of the blandest characters they've given the CCBS treatment).
Well here it is, the moment I've been dreading. Gen 2 has entered RotSD rotation.
You see, as you can probably tell, the main thing that drew me in to the original BIONICLE was its deep and rich lore. A lot of the time though, that lore could get a bit *too* complicated and made it alienating to new fans. When it came time to reboot the franchise LEGO decided to simplify the story, but in doing so they kinda course corrected way too far.
Gen 2's story was really bland and basic. The main plot of 2015 was communicated in 20 minutes worth of shorts, and even those repeated info a lot. Gen 2's story is so simple, in fact, I've already written my Brickset recap for basically every set.
A couple years ago I threw together a document where I could just swap the names of characters in and out and copy paste their lore. It's a tad lazy I know, but if LEGO wasn't going to bother going any deeper than "it's the blue version of that red guy" then why should I? I've gotta throw this guy's name into the template real quick, but his lore should be done real soon.
The Protectors are a system of leaders that have long guarded Okoto. Each Protector wore a set of thick armor, wielded powerful weapons, and possessed Masks that provided them limited Elemental Powers. Each generation the Protectors would pass their gear onto their children. They were the leaders and elders of the tribes, as well as warriors who would defend them from threats.
The Protectors of Water wielded shoulder mounted fans to propel themselves through the sea alongisde a water scooter that could shoot bolts of energy at foes.
1,000 years ago Okoto lived in harmony. Much of their lives revolved around two powerful brothers who lived in the center of the island. The Mask Makers, Ekimu and Makuta. For ages the two would craft great Masks of Power, serving as Protectors in their own right. Owaki, the Protector of Water of the time, was a close friend of Ekimu, as were their teammates.
As the years went by, jealousy grew in Makuta’s heart. Ekimu’s masks were always more praised than his own, and so he set out to craft something new and captivating. It was an ancient tradition that a mask could not contain more than one elemental power, but Makuta set out to create a mask with all six. The Mask of Ultimate Power.
When Makuta put on the Mask of Ultimate Power he was corrupted by its dark power. The mask transformed him into a giant twisted form and drove him mad. Ekimu, seeing his brother's strife, rushed in and smacked the mask from Makuta’s face with his great hammer. An explosion rocked the land. The Mask of Ultimate Power splintered into six shards, Maktua was banished into the Shadow Realm, and Ekimu’s lifeless body was left at the bottom of the crater.
As Ekimu’s lifeforce faded a prophecy whispered from his lips. He told the gathered Protectors of visions he had received long ago. In times dark, when all hope seems lost, they were to look to the sky. When the stars aligned they would gather in the Temple of Time and recite an incantation to summon six powerful heroes to the island, the Toa, who would liberate it of evil.
Owaki and their team would scatter the Masks of Power across the island, including Ekimu’s Mask of Creation and Makuta's Mask of Control. They buried Ekimu in a tomb nearby his old forge, and the City of the Mask Makers was abandoned.
1,000 years later Kivoda would take up their ancestor’s mantle as Protector of Water. Under their watch, terror would descend upon the land. Mysterious Skull Spiders began raiding the Okotan villages. They would latch onto people’s faces, warping and twisting their minds to listen to their dark lord. These hypnotized villagers would wander into the wilderness, never to be seen again.
The Protectors knew what they had to do. The six gathered in the Temple of Time and recited the Prophecy of Heroes, channeling their will through the Mask of Time. Six comets came blazing from the sky and crashed. The Stars themselves had been sent to liberate Okoto. Each Protector set off to find their Toa
Kivoda was charged with guiding Toa Gali through the sea. Eventually they reached an ancient underwater ruin and uncovered the Golden Mask of Water, which gave Gali mastery over her element. Kivoda sent her to the City of the Mask Makers to meet up with her brothers, assuming they could handle the city's dangers on their own. She and the other Toa managed to defeat the Lord of Skull Spiders in a fight at the city's bridge.
But the Protectors' minds quickly changed. They feared what would happen if the Toa failed their quest, and even if they succeeded they may need further guidance. When they arrived at the city they found the bridge had been destroyed, and so sought out an alternate path in. They entered a series of underground catacombs.
There they met the Lord of Skull Spiders, licking his wounds from his recent fight with the Toa. The arachnid king attacked the Protectors. In the ensuing duel the Protectors brought down the ceiling on the beast, killing him.
They arrived in the City of the Mask Makers to find Ekimu, brought back to life by the Toa. The Toa the
They arrived in the City of the Mask Makers to find Ekimu, brought back to life by the Toa. The Toa themselves had been knocked unconscious, but Ekimu was quickly nursing them back to health.
When the Toa left on their quest to find the Elemental Creatures the Protectors stayed behind to help rebuild the City of the Mask Makers.
One interesting thing about Kivoda is the continued controversy of gender in BIONICLE. During the original run of BIONICLE, all characters from the Water Tribe were female, and all of the other tribes were male. Something instituted early on by LEGO to keep the theme boy-centric. As the years went on the story team tried to find new ways to skirt these gender restrictions. When it came to the Agori and Okotans, they were not kept to the same strict gender rules as the Matoran. Despite that, they still fell victim to the Smurfette principle. Even though the Protector of Earth was made female, the Protector of Water was made male! Still 5-1, despite the potential for change.
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I've been a bit swamped this week, had company from out of town over for Valentines, but I'm here bringing lore by the skin of my teeth!
@GSR_MataNui said:
" @Robot99 @xboxtravis7992 @stevild3 @StyleCounselor @MCLegoboy @SearchlightRG @Murdoch17 @Maxbricks14 @Binnekamp
I've been a bit swamped this week, had company from out of town over for Valentines, but I'm here bringing lore by the skin of my teeth! "
Glad to hear you're alive and well!
@Murdoch17 said:
" @GSR_MataNui said:
" @Robot99 @xboxtravis7992 @stevild3 @StyleCounselor @MCLegoboy @SearchlightRG @Murdoch17 @Maxbricks14 @Binnekamp
I've been a bit swamped this week, had company from out of town over for Valentines, but I'm here bringing lore by the skin of my teeth! "
Glad to hear you're alive and well!"
Phew! Our loremaster is still alive!
@GSR_MataNui said:
"Gen 2's story was really bland and basic. The main plot of 2015 was communicated in 20 minutes worth of shorts, and even those repeated info a lot. Gen 2's story is so simple, in fact, I've already written my Brickset recap for basically every set."
And yet it still didn’t fit in one post. Post and a half, but I was expecting even shorter based on this comment.
@GSR_MataNui said:
" @Robot99 @xboxtravis7992 @stevild3 @StyleCounselor @MCLegoboy @SearchlightRG @Murdoch17 @Maxbricks14 @Binnekamp
I've been a bit swamped this week, had company from out of town over for Valentines, but I'm here bringing lore by the skin of my teeth! "
Huzzah!