A concern about LEGO Star Wars
Posted by CapnRex101,
Star Wars is my favourite LEGO theme and I am generally satisfied with its direction, particularly regarding the quality of set designs, which has arguably never been better. The advancement between 75060 Slave I and 75409 Jango Fett's Starship is a great example.
However, I have found the range rather muddled so far this year and in thinking about why, I noted a trend that concerns me somewhat, as the number of what I would consider 'normal' play sets has fallen drastically over the past few years. Some change was perhaps inevitable following the launch of 18+ branding and the increased size of the adult market, which has definite benefits, but I think it has gone too far.
Take a look at the numbers and see whether you agree...
A growing variety of subcategories
For the purposes of this article, I think the current LEGO Star Wars range can be divided into nine main set types:
- Minifigure-scale play sets
- 4+ sets
- Microfighters
- Mechs
- Large-scale characters
- Ultimate Collector Series
- Helmet Collection
- Starship Collection
- Advent Calendar and Seasonal
You could potentially break it down further with things like Battle Packs, but those are really just a specific type of minifigure-scale play set, designed for much the same audience. Also, there are certain sets that defy categorisation for the time being, such as 75407 Brick-Built Star Wars Logo, so I will consider those as 'other'.
Many of these set types have existed for a number of years now and all have value in their own way, but splitting anything from about 22 to 30 sets annually into that many sub-categories risks the theme feeling quite disjointed, in my opinion. Some degree of sub-division has existed in the range since 2000 and is a positive, but I am not convinced it needs to be divided to this extent.
The breakdown in each category of sets announced this year so far, up to 75434 K-2SO, is as follows:
- 4 - Minifigure-scale play sets
- 1 - 4+ sets
- 1 - Microfighters
- 1 - Mechs
- 4 - Large-scale characters
- 1 - Ultimate Collector Series
- 3 - Helmet Collection
- 3 - Starship Collection
- 1 - Advent Calendar and Seasonal
- 1 - Other
Of course, there are more sets yet to be revealed and I need not be aware of leaked images or information to know that the summer will bring several more play sets or that at least one more Ultimate Collector Series set will arrive in the autumn, as is the case almost every year.
Even with those additions, the range seems needlessly disparate and perhaps increasingly so, when you look at how it has shifted over the last decade, as illustrated below. Promotional sets, polybags and magazine gifts are not included.
*2025 includes sets released or officially revealed up to June 13th 2025.
Readers might be curious about the sets classified as 'other' and those three are 75253 Droid Commander, 75392 Creative Play Droid Builder and 75407 Brick-Built Star Wars Logo. Also, I decided to classify 75308 R2-D2 with 'large-scale characters' rather than the Ultimate Collector Series. It is an Ultimate Collector Series set but this article prioritises set type over branding.
In any case, the increasing variety of subcategories is clear to see, especially since the advent of 18+ sets in 2020. While a range of set types is important to interest as many people and age groups as possible, it comes at the cost of traditional minifigure-scale play sets, which should be the core of the theme, but have made up around half of the annual range lately, or even less.
After all, a major part of LEGO Star Wars should be how the sets interact and complement one another for play, which is diminished when so many are entirely disconnected. I know children often play in unexpected ways and I well remember playing with 10175 Vader's TIE Advanced like a minifigure-scale vehicle, but it could certainly be made easier. Even products that should clearly go together are sometimes inexplicably separated by set type, like 75400 Plo Koon's Jedi Starfighter Microfighter and 75402 ARC-170 Starfighter.
Potential solutions
I think the theme as a whole could be better balanced, ideally ensuring that at least half of the sets released annually are conventional play sets, which normally appeal to a broad market of children, teenagers and adults. There are a number of ways to go about this.
The overlap between mechs and Microfighters is a good place to begin. These play a vital role as affordable introductory sets and doubtless provide great play value, but I see little reason to produce them both. Focusing on one or the other would streamline the range and may improve play value with more readily compatible sets, while retaining the low price points.
Personally, I favour Microfighters because popular vehicles feel like a more natural fit for Star Wars than mechs, but perhaps mechs are simply extremely appealing to children. Either way, there should be one or the other; not both.
Similarly, the situation with the Helmet Collection, Diorama Collection and Starship Collection should be clarified. The trio currently seem to be cycling through years on hiatus, skipping the helmets last year and dioramas this, which is not necessarily a bad idea. Nonetheless, it would be simpler to focus on two subthemes and I believe the Helmet Collection has run its course.
There is potential for a few more, but the most obvious character choices have generally been covered, with the possible exception of C-3PO. Also, I am not convinced the Helmet Collection really needs to continue because the selection of large-scale characters arguably satisfies much the same audience. Do we need Threepio's head when we already have 75398 C-3PO?
The pillars of Star Wars are classic characters, vehicles and onscreen moments, which can be amply represented by buildable characters, the Diorama Collection and the Starship Collection, as well as the Ultimate Collector Series and Master Builder Series at higher price points.
On a connected topic, I think the rate of large-scale characters being produced will need to slow. Four have already been revealed this year and while there are still popular characters who may make the jump to LEGO form at this scale, the supply is not infinite. I doubt the present release rate can continue for more than a couple of years.
Opportunities for the future
With all those considerations in mind, I think focusing on fewer types of set will help the LEGO Star Wars range feel more cohesive. Moreover, increasing the number of minifigure-scale play sets should give designers the opportunity to widen coverage of various areas within Star Wars, including new films and television series, as well as established favourites.
Last year, the likes of The Bad Batch season three, The Acolyte and Tales of the Empire went completely unacknowledged, likely because there were not enough product slots available for them, which is a shame and seems like an avoidable issue to me.
Do you agree that the balance of LEGO Star Wars sets is a problem, or are you satisfied with the current selection? Please share your views in the comments.
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Fewest playsets since 2006 which is wild for a theme as popular as Star Wars. How there are current installments without any mention from LEGO is completely wild. I wonder if this is something from Disney, but wouldn't they want more money?
Agreed 100% @CapnRex101 ....However, when I read 13/6/25 I had a mini panic attack thinking there was now a thirteenth month*. With the way things are in the world today, anything is possible...
*Yes, I now realize this is the European way or writing the date.
While yes minifigure playsets have decreased due to other 'sub-themes' (if you'd call them that) have come out I personally do not think it's a bad thing.. LEGO® is more than a minifigure. It's the builds, the elements and the techniques behind the build which a lot of these do amazing without needing figs!
I find many people (especially those here in other comment sections) get too caught up on figures if it's for collecting, reselling or general value! Take Rex for instance or a set which does not have an updated figure when it doesn't always need one. It comes with a huge "oh they suck" "this absolutely doesn't warrent me spending my money because of one fig"
Even take to the big name youtubers who new a days comlain and comment on minifigs than they do the actual builds they're spending like 95-98% of the money on in a set/..
Seems to be a general trend not only for Star Wars...
EDIT:
TBH I think the absurd frequency of minor figur updates is hurting Star Wars (from a "building" aspect) more than some other "random" licenced theme.
Back then in the early years of Lego SW, figure prints were used for rather long periods, making everything feel a bit more cohesive than today. If you want to build (or play with) a larger "world" diorama, rather than just put another isolated display piece on the shelf, this is somewhat annoying (not even mentioning how this has a very bad effect on army building).
Also the way how some figures are updated almost every year (seemingly only for the sake of updating), whilst other still linger around almost unchanged since the beginning isn't good either.
"I find many people (especially those here in other comment sections) get too caught up on figures if it's for collecting, reselling or general value! "
I'm more so thinking of kids who have significantly less sets that appeal to them and literally no sets from the new star wars stuff they are watching.
Think of the Children
I think LEGO does too many big sets at the same time now, and often some only last 1 to 1.5 year too....
Of course you don't have to get everything, but look at just a theme like Harry Potter, let's just say the 2024/2025 reboot wave for simplicty, even if you leave out the diagon alley stuff and display models, you still look at hundreds of euros/dollars of sets.
Of course some of those sets combine rooms from what would be multiple smaller sets before, but still, they even do the order of movies all over the place so you never know what's next.
Maybe Harry Potter is a bad example, as they have done hogwarts versions multiple times over , even far before 2018. But still it could be somewhat compared to Star Wars , as SW also covers a mix of movie eras , but SW gets actually more games/shows , yet produces a lot of display objects instead of playsets.
Think the reason is perhaps that Star Wars is not as popular with children as used to be, so not worth releasing as many play sets? There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad. So makes sense to focus more on the captive adult market and milk the nostalgia.
On the contrary, we can see a large increase in video game and classic Disney based sets - seems like kids' attention shifted here, at least when it comes to branded content.
Star Wars is becoming more and more like LotR - nostalgia purchase for middle-aged adults. Lego is just following course.
Whatever happened to that new trend of cheaper, simpler, minifig-scale playsets starting with the X-Wing and TIE Fighter that came out in 2021? Did that fizzle out?
The balance isn't the only issue, the focus is all over the place and there's no cohesion except the brand name. Star Wars has dozens of sources for inspiration but we get seemingly random TCW and OT pulls and one measily set per new project at this point. The new TIE from Andor is as close to a surefire hit as you could get, but it's not a set. Mon Mothma's speeder or the Fondor? Not sets. Instead new Andor fans get the U-Wing and a pre-order page for a K2-SO figure and are left wondering why Lego is making a black millennium falcon. It's an absolute mess of a theme with so much wasted potential and that's without mentioning the prices.
"There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad."
This comment is going to be funny when the mando movie reaches 1 billion.
@Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
"Fewest playsets since 2006 which is wild for a theme as popular as Star Wars. How there are current installments without any mention from LEGO is completely wild. I wonder if this is something from Disney, but wouldn't they want more money? "
I think the desire for more money is probably driving Lego's notably increased amount of large collector's sets for display. Lego is pivoting to the adult market and as such is making sets at adult prices; the sets are undeniably awesome but undeniably expensive, making it increasingly difficult for fans to get all of the figures or sets they want -- let alone the children that Lego was originally made to cater to! In my opinion, there are more $200 and $300 (or higher!) sets than necessary these days, but I don't think the number of those sets being produced will decrease anytime soon.
@SolidState said:
"The balance isn't the only issue, the focus is all over the place and there's no cohesion except the brand name. Star Wars has dozens of sources for inspiration but we get seemingly random TCW and OT pulls and one measily set per new project at this point. The new TIE from Andor is as close to a surefire hit as you could get, but it's not a set. Mon Mothma's speeder or the Fondor? Not sets. Instead new Andor fans get the U-Wing and a pre-order page for a K2-SO figure and are left wondering why Lego is making a black millennium falcon. It's an absolute mess of a theme with so much wasted potential and that's without mentioning the prices."
You have a good point -- where are the set waves like what Lego did for Rebels and Solo? -- but I will have to politely disagree regarding Rebuild the Galaxy and the Dark Falcon. I think it's cool that Lego is getting a chance to play around with the Star Wars concepts in this way and I have to say that the Dark Falcon is one of my favorite sets in years, both in terms of minifigures and the set itself. Jedi Vader? Peak.
@Darth_Savren said:
"Think of the Children "
Will no one think of the children?!
If not, what about us big babies? I want more minifig compatible things and cool minifigs with good printing and sweet accutrement, and I'm going to keep on them until I get them.
Thanks, Cap'n for sounding the Bell Forge of Ferrix.
@Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
""There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad."
This comment is going to be funny when the mando movie reaches 1 billion. "
Not out yet though? And that's it, there has been only Mando since the new trilogy that was half decent (last season whatever though), maybe Ahsoka. No movies since.
I think Lego Star Wars needs to not make so many buildable characters/droids and maybe keep it at one or two a year (and keep it consistent like UCS sets), as for dioramas, the last one that was made was not a very popular set and having no dioramas this year mean Lego probably discontinued the sub franchise. This year is the 20th anniversary of ROTS, so the logical thing for Lego is to make a Battle on Mustafar diorama or a Palpatines arrest, but neither were made. The only explanation is that Lego discontinued dioramas. Also they need to cancel the mech theme and use the slot for another battle pack, that way there’s room for Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War battle packs in the same year
@yodaloop said:
" @Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
"Fewest playsets since 2006 which is wild for a theme as popular as Star Wars. How there are current installments without any mention from LEGO is completely wild. I wonder if this is something from Disney, but wouldn't they want more money? "
I think the desire for more money is probably driving Lego's notably increased amount of large collector's sets for display. Lego is pivoting to the adult market and as such is making sets at adult prices; the sets are undeniably awesome but undeniably expensive, making it increasingly difficult for fans to get all of the figures or sets they want -- let alone the children that Lego was originally made to cater to! In my opinion, there are more $200 and $300 (or higher!) sets than necessary these days, but I don't think the number of those sets being produced will decrease anytime soon."
It's a trend with most themes, LEGO just "casually" drops waves of sets with like 5+ sets easily over €80 in many themes.
Just an example of themes generally evergreen playthemes :
I take 2024+2025 as a basis as that's generally the longest sets last, 1-2.5 years. (exceptions exist like City 2018 Cargo train being available still)
I did a quick glance and count at brickset 2024/2025 year list (which has US dollar RRP)
Friends 2024 has 9 sets over $80 up to $200, 2025 has 7 sets over $80, up to $170.
City 2024 has 12 sets over $80 up to $135, 2025 has 9 sets over $80, 2 of those $210.
Ninjago 2024+2025 has 12 sets over $100, 3 of of those over $200.
This is not 18+ Icons, Creator Expert, UCS, Technic pro model stuff, just regular themes.
This is a great analysis, thank you for taking an interest in this topic. It's a difficult position; when you start to subdivide yourself too much and appear to too many groups with only a few products each. I agree it's necessary to focus in on minifig-scaled play sets going forward, but unfortunately it seems like that has to come at the cost of the other ranges that have their own target markets.
@TeriXeri said:
" @yodaloop said:
" @Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
"Fewest playsets since 2006 which is wild for a theme as popular as Star Wars. How there are current installments without any mention from LEGO is completely wild. I wonder if this is something from Disney, but wouldn't they want more money? "
I think the desire for more money is probably driving Lego's notably increased amount of large collector's sets for display. Lego is pivoting to the adult market and as such is making sets at adult prices; the sets are undeniably awesome but undeniably expensive, making it increasingly difficult for fans to get all of the figures or sets they want -- let alone the children that Lego was originally made to cater to! In my opinion, there are more $200 and $300 (or higher!) sets than necessary these days, but I don't think the number of those sets being produced will decrease anytime soon."
It's a trend with most themes, LEGO just "casually" drops waves of sets with like 5 sets easily over €80 in many themes. Friends 2024 has 9 sets over $80 up to $200."
Exactly. It's not always price gouging -- some of these sets have good price per part, and Friends has a decent track record from what I remember -- but the size of sets have all increased, prohibitively so.
@SolidState said:
"The balance isn't the only issue, the focus is all over the place and there's no cohesion except the brand name. Star Wars has dozens of sources for inspiration but we get seemingly random TCW and OT pulls and one measily set per new project at this point. The new TIE from Andor is as close to a surefire hit as you could get, but it's not a set. Mon Mothma's speeder or the Fondor? Not sets. Instead new Andor fans get the U-Wing and a pre-order page for a K2-SO figure and are left wondering why Lego is making a black millennium falcon. It's an absolute mess of a theme with so much wasted potential and that's without mentioning the prices."
No Fondor. Crazy.
I'm hoping the logos become a new sub-theme. I would like to own an Episode 1 logo and perhaps Episode 7 logo.
I mostly agree on the point that the Helmet collection has run its course; however, there are a few notable omissions that I’d love to see before it’s wrapped up:
- Imperial Royal Guard
- Snowtrooper
- Phase I/II Clone Troopers
Can you do the same research and look into the years of availability of the playsets vs the other more collectable categories. I think a playset does not need to be released every 1.5 years, but if you are collecting stuff and it stays available for 10 years, that defeats the purpose of those categories, so new stuff in certain categories and a lot of known stuff on the shelves for the playable stuff, no need to rotate categories that work. Grandparent picking up a Lego set for their grandchild will not notice.
@VaultDweller_197 said:
"While yes minifigure playsets have decreased due to other 'sub-themes' (if you'd call them that) have come out I personally do not think it's a bad thing.. LEGO® is more than a minifigure. It's the builds, the elements and the techniques behind the build which a lot of these do amazing without needing figs!
I find many people (especially those here in other comment sections) get too caught up on figures if it's for collecting, reselling or general value! Take Rex for instance or a set which does not have an updated figure when it doesn't always need one. It comes with a huge "oh they suck" "this absolutely doesn't warrant me spending my money because of one fig"
Even take to the big name youtubers who new a days complain and comment on minifigs than they do the actual builds they're spending like 95-98% of the money on in a set/.."
If I may be allowed to weigh in, I think the reason why minifigures are seen as more valuable than sets is because in many cases people can just build what they want themselves and they just need the minifigures to populate their builds. In some cases I would rather buy the minifigure separately and use the money that I would have used on the rest of the set to buy spare parts to assist me in my current builds. If you still really wanted the set, in some cases you may be able to just build the set yourself from instructions online and for cheaper using spare parts from Bricklink or some other source. If the set has new parts unique to the set (like the 40787 Blue Shell) then just wait a year or two and then build it; there will probably be more sets with that unique part, making it cheaper.
Of course, I do buy some sets because they are cool and not for the minifigures but the majority of the sets I buy have an inevitable future of being scrapped for parts, whether that be within a month or a few years -- or even from the get-go! And I understand what you're saying about minifigure price scalping being rather intense. But when it comes to Lego sets, the minifigures are usually the most exclusive part about them -- not the pieces that the set contains.
The problem with LEGO Star Wars is that it has become a theme dedicated to adult toy collectors and speculators rather than making toys that are accessible and appealing to children.
Seriously, so much discourse around the theme is how big and expensive it is or how much certain mininifgures can help pay for kid’s college. It’s kinda frustrating how much it feels focused on that element to the point it’s not fun.
@StyleCounselor said:
" @Darth_Savren said:
"Think of the Children "
Will no one think of the children?!
If not, what about us big babies? I want more minifig compatible things and cool minifigs with sweet accutrement, and I'm going to keep on them until I get them.
Thanks, Cap'n for sounding the Bell Forge of Ferrix."
Fine, I'll take care of the children. Order 66. Happy?
Imho, I think the division in sets can be made a lot simpler, I think maybe even boil it down to just 2 groups:
Play Sets:
- Minifig scale Sets
- 4+ sets
- Microfighters
- Minifig & Mechs
- Seasonal
Display Sets (mantlepiece sets):
- UCS
- Helmet collection
- Mini Starship collection
- Diorama collection
- SW Logo
- Big Droids
I think, looking at it like this, LEGO simply follows the market trends. SW fans are getting older, the new generation of fans is getting older too. No time to play, just buy nostalgia and put it in the bookcase.
The Clone Wars, Rebels, The Bad Batch, Resistance all ended. Very little left to pull in the kids except Young Jedi Adventures.
@SolidState said:
"The balance isn't the only issue, the focus is all over the place and there's no cohesion except the brand name. Star Wars has dozens of sources for inspiration but we get seemingly random TCW and OT pulls and one measily set per new project at this point. The new TIE from Andor is as close to a surefire hit as you could get, but it's not a set. Mon Mothma's speeder or the Fondor? Not sets. Instead new Andor fans get the U-Wing and a pre-order page for a K2-SO figure and are left wondering why Lego is making a black millennium falcon. It's an absolute mess of a theme with so much wasted potential and that's without mentioning the prices."
The TV series came out at such a rapid-fire rate I am not surprised LEGO couldn't dedicate much to them all but still... Just two Andor and Bad Batch sets? One Skeleton Crew set? I know The Acolyte wasn't a beloved show, but really; ZERO sets?
Rebuild the Galaxy is fun and I like LEGO going zany, but it's wild that it has multiple sets for what it was while the canon Star Wars stuff is brushed aside.
Since the TV stuff seems to be slowing down now, LEGO should at least fill in the gaps in the back catalog a bit. Or at least give the upcoming Maul Shadow Lord some of the love it withheld from the other series.
Taking analogous categories, it would be interesting to see, at least across licensed media, the proportion of this years sets that are:
Minifigure-scale play sets
sets
Mechs
Large-scale characters
Helmets and busts
Large Scale Vehicles
Advent Calendar and Seasonal
Other
in comparison to past years. In other words, is this a particularly Star Wars development, or is it affecting all licensed properties? Also, one could argue that mechs and microfighters could still qualify as minifig-scale, just imagine that Vader or Fett has a new prototype mech suit.
I feel like that bar chart would be far more helpful without the 2025 information. Having only half a year's data leaves it lacking in a way that really exaggerates a downward trend that doesn't really exist. Without that year, we can see there was a sharp drop in 2020-2021, but a slight general rise after that point.
To me, this is a case of "be careful what you wish for". Adult fans begged for attention and more "collectible" items. They asked for midi-scale back. They asked for more detail. They asked for display sets. They aske for a larger variety of characters. Lego has done all of those things.
Now, sets are too big and expensive. There are too many things to keep up. Too much focus on adults, and not enough play sets. The figures aren't detailed enough.
It seems to me, to some extent Lego can't win with AFOLs, especially in the Star Wars line.
It has a lot of sub themes because the universe has a lot of spin offs, series, movies, games, possibly too many.
I think fan interest changes depending on age and longevity. I use to have a lot of interest in the theme, now I have very little. There's a lot of sets that don't seem necessary to have because of past versions or pricing.
It's a reflection on the balance between collecting and playing that Lego is trying to find with all themes. As well as affordability, exclusivity and accessibility.
@Froggage said:
"To me, this is a case of "be careful what you wish for". Adult fans begged for attention and more "collectible" items. They asked for midi-scale back. They asked for more detail. They asked for display sets. They aske for a larger variety of characters. Lego has done all of those things.
Now, sets are too big and expensive. There are too many things to keep up. Too much focus on adults, and not enough play sets. The figures aren't detailed enough.
It seems to me, to some extent Lego can't win with AFOLs, especially in the Star Wars line."
Monkey's Paw LEGO curse.
I greatly appreciate the article, but I do disagree with your outcome. I appreciate data driven analysis, and I love the discussions that follow but without knowing all the data that Lego has at their fingertips, everything we will do only amounts to speculation. Perhaps the outcome is that Lego Star wars has been going on now for 26 years and Lego is having to diversify from standard minifigure sets because most of the collectors have these sets and are looking for something new. Perhaps we in this community would strongly prefer sets to be based on some of the side stories such as Andor, the Mandalorian, the Clone Wars animated series, or those old Christmas specials (joke), but they might not have sold as well (recalling that how police stations such as 7744 are some of the best selling Lego sets). Lego has always and is always looking for different types of sets to make, which is a good thing economically and it's also not bad for us collectors.
Regarding the microfighters versus mechs, I think they're both good. Although I really like the tantan from 75298 as it could possibly be used as is with minifigure sets, the ATAT could be good for a child whose family cannot afford a full size one. Likewise, I really do like the X-Wing mech 75390. They both can apply to a child's imaginary SW universe.
I strongly prefer minifigure playsets myself, having almost no UCS, no helmets, etc., and as such, I would love more of them. If Lego were to diversify from minifigure, I would strongly prefer more microfigure sets like the baby space sets or the Star wars ones we already have in the Battle of Hoth game 3866.
Lego will probably need to keep exploring and trying new things, which is how we got the minifigure and the microfigure in the first place. Perhaps the SW theme will remain never ending and these explorations will go on or even initiate from Star Wars. There's also a possibility that they may have to drop SW for a few years as a kind of cool down like they do all the time now with the beloved themes: Space (thanks mostly to SW!), Pirates, and Castle.
@mtpelepele said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @Darth_Savren said:
"Think of the Children "
Will no one think of the children?!
If not, what about us big babies? I want more minifig compatible things and cool minifigs with sweet accutrement, and I'm going to keep on them until I get them.
Thanks, Cap'n for sounding the Bell Forge of Ferrix."
Fine, I'll take care of the children. Order 66. Happy?"
But...but, Master Mtpelepele, there are too many of them. What are we going to do?
Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?
I can only speak with regard to sales in my retails shops, but Lego SW has taken a tumble (as well as regular Disney and Marvel as well as Technic), while other licensed sets such as Speed Champions, Fortnite and Minecraft are flying, and Harry Potter has had a resurgence with decently priced sets in the last year.
The best selling lines are Botanicals and Speed Champions F1
@Atuin said:
"Seems to be a general trend not only for Star Wars...
EDIT:
TBH I think the absurd frequency of minor figur updates is hurting Star Wars (from a "building" aspect) more than some other "random" licenced theme.
Back then in the early years of Lego SW, figure prints were used for rather long periods, making everything feel a bit more cohesive than today. If you want to build (or play with) a larger "world" diorama, rather than just put another isolated display piece on the shelf, this is somewhat annoying (not even mentioning how this has a very bad effect on army building).
Also the way how some figures are updated almost every year (seemingly only for the sake of updating), whilst other still linger around almost unchanged since the beginning isn't good either."
Keep in mind that LSW was popular in 1999, 2002, and 2005, but interest waned considerably during the gap years. And they had trouble during the first decade with minifigs feeling too repetitive, so buyers sometimes looked at the sets available and passed on a lot of them because they already had a pile of identical named characters at home. Two things that really helped keep the theme from fizzling out were the release of new content every year since 2008, and the surge in unique minifigs. While there are people like me who prioritize stuff like the mid-scale ships, there are absolutely those who focus exclusively on keeping up with the new minifigs.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Atuin said:
"Seems to be a general trend not only for Star Wars...
EDIT:
TBH I think the absurd frequency of minor figur updates is hurting Star Wars (from a "building" aspect) more than some other "random" licenced theme.
Back then in the early years of Lego SW, figure prints were used for rather long periods, making everything feel a bit more cohesive than today. If you want to build (or play with) a larger "world" diorama, rather than just put another isolated display piece on the shelf, this is somewhat annoying (not even mentioning how this has a very bad effect on army building).
Also the way how some figures are updated almost every year (seemingly only for the sake of updating), whilst other still linger around almost unchanged since the beginning isn't good either."
Keep in mind that LSW was popular in 1999, 2002, and 2005, but interest waned considerably during the gap years. And they had trouble during the first decade with minifigs feeling too repetitive, so buyers sometimes looked at the sets available and passed on a lot of them because they already had a pile of identical named characters at home. Two things that really helped keep the theme from fizzling out were the release of new content every year since 2008, and the surge in unique minifigs. While there are people like me who prioritize stuff like the mid-scale ships, there are absolutely those who focus exclusively on keeping up with the new minifigs."
Minifigs are also a lot easier to display for adults, and think of the children, they are also central to play.
It has more to do with the content Star Wars is producing and who that content is aimed at.
How much kid Star Wars content is there? Not much.
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ashoka, Obi-Wan, Acolyte, Andor --- all adult aimed content
Skeleton Crew and that Jedi cartoon are the only really kid-centric content being created
So the LEGO sets reflect that
Without more kid content, there aren't as many kids looking to buy Star Wars themed LEGO so it's all associated with where the buying market is.
When Star Wars produces more kid-centric/kid-appealing content, LEGO will produce more as well
@WizardOfOss said:
"Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?"
This.
I see your Schwatrz is as big as mine!
Knowing Lego they'll probably make a Death Star set costing $1000,
@yodaloop said:
" @SolidState said:
"The balance isn't the only issue, the focus is all over the place and there's no cohesion except the brand name. Star Wars has dozens of sources for inspiration but we get seemingly random TCW and OT pulls and one measily set per new project at this point. The new TIE from Andor is as close to a surefire hit as you could get, but it's not a set. Mon Mothma's speeder or the Fondor? Not sets. Instead new Andor fans get the U-Wing and a pre-order page for a K2-SO figure and are left wondering why Lego is making a black millennium falcon. It's an absolute mess of a theme with so much wasted potential and that's without mentioning the prices."
You have a good point -- where are the set waves like what Lego did for Rebels and Solo? -- but I will have to politely disagree regarding Rebuild the Galaxy and the Dark Falcon. I think it's cool that Lego is getting a chance to play around with the Star Wars concepts in this way and I have to say that the Dark Falcon is one of my favorite sets in years, both in terms of minifigures and the set itself. Jedi Vader? Peak."
Don't get me wrong, I like the rebuild the galaxy stuff as sets. But I don't like them taking as much space as they do when we have fewer and fewer options outside of them. It's nice to have variants but when your only X-Wing or Snowspeeder or Falcon option at retail is UCS or tied to gimmicks and weird colour choices, it's rough for the consumer who just wants a normal version of what they want.
I have this feeling that TLG is just following the demographic of the Star Wars lovers. I was 2 years old when A New Hope came out (so yes I am that old and no I did not see it in cinemas unfortunately) and I guess I, like many others, am now becoming the target group for TLG and hence their, in my opinion, poor decision to focus more on the older Star Wars fans seeing as that is where the money is for them. And I have this feeling TLG think that because we are older and probably have more disposable income floating around, we want bigger and more expensive sets. I, for one, don't! Love the play sets as they are way easier to display then a full UCS Alphabet Squadron, Slave One, Millenium Falcon or Imperial Shuttle. I have at least one of evey ship, but nowhere to put them, so they go on rotation displaying them.
Honestly I love the UCS series and I also have the Diorama collection (minus the Podrace one) and even have C-3PO and R2, but I don't understand why TLG just can't seem to spread these kinds of sets out over more years. It's almost as if they are running out of ideas of what to make, which should be impossible seeing all the content (good are bad, other discussion) that ahs been out for several years.
The Trench Run and the Podrace diorama are the odd ones out of the Diorama collection for me, due to the absence of minifigs. The Trench run was iconic but the latter isn't as as iconic as the other ones we got from the original trilolgy. Then TLG should have gone for, as someone else already mentioned, the Duel on Mustafar or the Duel of the Fates or even Palpatine's Arrest. There are plenty of other scenes that would have been a better option than the one TLG chose to do.
I do in part agree that with @VaultDweller_197 that too many people are hung up on minifigs, but I also think that is a huge part of LEGO. I would never buy a €600,- set to get that one figure and then claiming that TLG shouldn't have put one of the most requested figs behind such a high paywall. No you are buying that Venetor, because you like the ship...Rex is just an added bonus. To me the UCS sets are just that, they are about the ship. The figs that come with them are extras. It is weird though then, that TLG chooses to add figs to the UCS line and not the Starship line, and although I can't say I miss them there, a lot of fans are complaining that there should be at least one.
With Diorama series I think that is where TLG should excel and try to give us the best rendition of a character that was in that specific scene as possible.
But let me come to an end. I guess if we can have only 2 UCS sets in a year, why not do that for the buildable figs (2) helmet (1), starship (1) or diorama collection (1) as well, and save the other spots for just (affordable) playsets. Spread it out and we can enjoy a particular series for a lot longer
MTFBWY
@MegaBlocks said:
"Knowing Lego they'll probably make a Death Star set costing $1000,"
With no minifigs. ;(
I've seen a few other people comment about this, but I think it's worth noting that Star Wars toys as a whole don't seem to sell as well as they used to. Even Hasbro has pivoted more towards products for adult collectors. I think this is partially because newer Star Wars media hasn't been a hit with kids--but also partially because kids don't play with physical toys as much as they used to (whereas digital free-play games like Minecraft and Roblox are super successful).
Everything has a shelf life, and unfortunately I think LEGO Star Wars might be feeling this. I don't think the line is ever going to be permanently retired--but I wouldn't be surprised if the trends outlined in this article continue, and we see fewer and fewer "normal" playsets.
@MegaBlocks said:
"Knowing Lego they'll probably make a Death Star set costing $1000,"
You know something that you didn't write. So do I
There's a phenomenon in commerce called "circling the drain" where a company starts making fewer and fewer products, and they're aimed at a much more expensive audience. Eventually you're making exceedingly expensive items marketed at the one person who can afford it, and usually that guy wants it because it's one of a kind and the scarcity is its own value.
Anyway, I'd have to see LSW turn into that. On the other hand, Star Wars is decreasingly in the public eye and it's not what kids are into right now. Star Wars was a "turnkey operation" between 1983 and 1998--it had a loyal fanbase willing to keep it alive through the novels and other media, but it wasn't mass-market like it was during the prequel years. I don't think Disney has a good idea of how to turn a franchise into a turnkey product.
Anyway, I guess I'll be worried when the Advent Calendars stop. (I've bought every one since 2011.)
@legoguysw said:
"Whatever happened to that new trend of cheaper, simpler, minifig-scale playsets starting with the X-Wing and TIE Fighter that came out in 2021? Did that fizzle out?"
75399 U-wing and 75402 ARC-170 are both smaller and cheaper (when factoring in inflation) than the older versions
You want to make the trend even more obvious? Graph it out all the way back to 1999 when it was ONLY playsets and then one UCS in 2000. ‘9 sub categories’?! I mean the issue is apparent right there before the article even really gets started. Jesus Christ, Lego is bloated these days, possibly beyond repair. Lego is somehow simultaneously the most arrogant and insecure company I’ve ever seen. Arrogant to charge the prices they do and to think themselves a luxury product on the lines of Apple and the like. Insecure to rely more and more on other companies IP because they don’t believe in their own stuff anymore and then WITHIN those IP to not just have the confidence to rely on their tried and true playsets, but to muddle the offerings with these subcategories, because ultimately they don’t know what to do and are just throwing stuff at the wall out of desperation.
In no particular order:
1. Lego has progressively discovered that there's a ton of profit to be had from AFOLs. The trend graph basically follows the timeline o that discovery perfectly, including the turbocharging of adult interest in Lego from the pandemic.
2. As has been noted by others already, the Star Wars demographic has aged - in an important sense, Lego is just following those folks up the age ladder.
3. Related to the previous item, I would speculate that even in today's world, there's only so much that animated streaming shows and video games can do to sustain super-high levels of kids' interest in new Star Wars properties, characters, and shows. Therefore the merchandise, including Lego, is increasingly going to be weighted towards adult nostalgia over current-day characters and themes targeted to children.
4. A related but I think distinct factor is that even if we're talking about spin-off media, a lot of the most prominent properties like the Mandalorian and Andor are significantly or almost entirely targeted to adults.
5. Finally, I am not sure about this, but I wonder how this trend compares with the Lego Harry Potter trend. I have often wondered if HP stays a little more "evergreen" for each new generation of pre-teen kids because it's fundamentally based on books whereas SW is fundamentally based on movies. Reading is a solitary activity, whereas a movie - even one streamed casually at home with family or friends - is more of a scheduled social activity (especially for younger kids); and a book doesn't seem "old" or outdated the same way a 20 year-old Star Wars movie might. Not to mention that the HP books are generally much better than the the most recent SW trilogy of movies.
The only star wars sets i buy are the mechs. I know i am an outlier but they have an appeal i can't quite explain and fit in well with my other collections whereas other star wars sets do not
I feel sorry for kids and older collectors in any hobby of diminishing returns.
I see these issues as a broader problem of licensed ranges- the disjointed set types mentioned in the article: kids can’t as easily form a play or landscape collection while being frequently barred from more of or bigger licensed sets because of a higher price tag.
Equally I believe older collectors were quite happy buying good quality children’s toys. They all know that ‘18+’ sets have come with less prints, some cheaper crumbling plastics, more stickers and poorer stickers again costing vastly more.
Then there is an incomplete feeling to many sub ranges that leaves loose characters and stories while increasing display piece releases gather dust.
The disparity in quality between what’s hot and what’s nostalgic means someone always loses out or on a tight budget has to choose between ranges so the poorer products sell less potentially increasing the cancellation of their range.
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments so far.
I just wanted to address the changing demographics of people interested in Star Wars. From all the available information, it is absolutely true that teenagers and adults have become a more important market for Star Wars products and the dominant market, in some cases. However, I am not convinced that teenagers and adults are only interested in sets designed explicitly for them.
Data from Brickset only covers a small sample of LEGO fans, I admit, but looking at the number of people who own Star Wars sets released in 2024, which I use because all those sets have now been available for a while, play sets perform strongly. Excluding promotional sets and polybags, six of the top ten are conventional play sets or Microfighters. You can take a look here and sort by 'most owned': https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/year-2024
There are clearly many factors beyond set type involved, including prices and what the sets actually are, but if anything, I would expect Brickset members to lean more towards adult-oriented sets than the average.
I could be wrong, I just think there should be as much adult interest in minifigure-scale sets as any other kind. Perhaps the marketing of those sets should account for that.
@StyleCounselor said:
" @WizardOfOss said:
"Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?"
This.
I see your Schwatrz is as big as mine!"
Say goodbye to your two best friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago.
Why do recruitment bags and BrickHeadz always get the shaft?
I can't even afford food, let alone anything Lego Star Wars related these days
This just seems the natural outcome of 2 factors: first, all those kids who bought play sets 10+ years ago are now grown up - it's been over 40 years since Return of the Jedi, after all. Second, LEGO is getting more and more expensive. Add in the Disney tax and the only demographic that can afford Star Wars sets any more are adults.
I'm selling most of my unopened Star Wars sets. I feel like I'm losing my enthusiasm, and I think Lego's obsessive focus on expensive sets for adults is the reason for my lack of interest. Lego is a children's toy that adults also play with, not the other way around.
Another disconcerting trend I've noticed about this year for LSW: unless I'm mistaken, this is the first year in LEGO Star Wars' history (with the possible exception of 2008) without a single OT playset; and this includes rumors of upcoming releases.
Entirely not the main topic, but thank you for making the chart a stacked column and consistently ordered the categories -- lets you still both see the trend in overall set count and trace one category across the years as easily as could be expected.
In fact, it would be intriguing if Brickset had a "simple" (yes, yes, I know every request sounds simpler than it ends up being) web graphing solution that would sit on top of the filters you already have accessible when searching for sets. Display price for theme Star Wars and sub-theme helmet. Display count for themes Star Wars and Marvel. And so on.
As vaguely pointed out by other users: It’s becoming increasingly hard to consider Lego as a childrens toy company anymore. It feels like Lego’s need and greed for money has excluded a huge part of the community - unfortunately seemingly most kids.
So far this year I’ve bought zero 2025 sets. Last year I bought maybe four - at the very most.
Sets that, adjusted for inflation, should have costed like 100$ today, are easily 130-150$. Add another 20-60%, and you have the Scandinavian prices :) 60471 is 150-160$ here for example. That’s not taking into consideration that Lego is a far more financially strong and profitable company compared to 10-20 years ago.
What I’ve enjoyed with the Lego hobby as an adult is that I, as well, can enjoy products intended for kids - not getting a little more detailed, though charm- and soulless, sets for absurd prices packed in even less charming boxes.
For the last year, I’ve bought probably around 30 sets from 2007 - 2013. Even the rare and expensive ones from the time, gives me the feel of having an actual premium product worth the money sparked with more charm, details and joy than what any product from the current selection could ever do.
I think Lego, even though at the top financially now, are doing themselves a (gigantic) disservice by potentially ruining every possibility for adult nostalgia for the kids growing up now - and thereby - losing potential life long fans, unfortunately.
I appreciate the thoughtful and substantial article though, with many nice views.
@Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
""There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad."
This comment is going to be funny when the mando movie reaches 1 billion. "
Not sure what box office has to do with quality. Andor is widely regarded as some of the best Star Wars media released and it's not exactly lighting up the viewership rankings.
Last two Star Wars movies had pretty mediocre box office results (Solo straight up bombing and Rise of Skywalker continuing the box office downtrend). Unless Mando really really catches in with audiences it will probably be a Disney Plus watch for a lot of people, especially since that's where they're watching the show.
In general though in addition to the demographic changes, I feel that there's just a lack of strong material without retreading the same content. When the movies were coming out, even the sequel trilogy, you had a strong stream of content to pull from. Now I'm not sure Andor or the Acolyte or even anything from the games have anything worth doing entire waves off of. Each season is deserving of maybe one or two playsets.
@Darth_Savren said:
"Think of the Children "
Not just the children, but the men and women too!
@WizardOfOss said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @WizardOfOss said:
"Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?"
This.
I see your Schwatrz is as big as mine!"
Say goodbye to your two best friends, and I don't mean your pals in the Winnebago."
Eagle 5, standing by....
for "A Non-Prequel Non-Reboot Sequel Part Two but with Reboot Elements Franchise Expansion Film."
@WizardOfOss said:
"Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?"
When he made the first film, he proactively agreed to never make a sequel, and never produce merchandise, before asking George for permission, even though the 1st Amendment would have protected him for at least the films. Now we’re getting a sequel that we clearly didn’t ask for (so says the man himself), so maybe merch is back on the table?
@JpPhoto:
It’s missing categories that had fallen by the wayside, like Technic builds, so the range of categories is in perpetual fluctuation until the theme concludes. The SW logo could, in theory, launch a new sub-theme the way the Nebulon B relaunched the midi-scale starship theme (that previously consisted of only two sets). Any of the current subthemes could be in its final year. We won’t know the future until hunting down spoiler images on the internet.
Another concern is maybe kids aren't leaning as much towards playsets? I know some 8 year olds that go for the big display models because they don't really "play" with the Lego after they're built.
@weirdbricks said:
"What I’ve enjoyed with the Lego hobby as an adult is that I, as well, can enjoy products intended for kids - not getting a little more detailed, though charm- and soulless, sets for absurd prices packed in even less charming boxes. "
I completely agree with this sentiment, even though I recognize that not everyone in the collecting community will feel the same way.
Part of what makes LEGO so charming is that the products encourage creativity and imagination. Who cares if the scale isn't 100% screen-accurate, or if Every. Single. Detail. from the film/series makes it into the finished product. With few exceptions, I will take a $60 playset that suggests a sequence from the series over a $300 UCS set that has all of the bells and whistles and will barely fit on my shelf.
@inversion said:
" @Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
""There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad."
This comment is going to be funny when the mando movie reaches 1 billion. "
Not out yet though? And that's it, there has been only Mando since the new trilogy that was half decent (last season whatever though), maybe Ahsoka. No movies since."
Did you skip Andor?
Personally, not a fan of Mandalorian. BoBF was interesting until it turned into Mandalorian.
@BabuBrick said:
"Another disconcerting trend I've noticed about this year for LSW: unless I'm mistaken, this is the first year in LEGO Star Wars' history (with the possible exception of 2008) without a single OT playset; and this includes rumors of upcoming releases."
Even 2008 had some OT playsets if you count the rebel and imperial battle packs. I actually went through every year of LEGO Star Wars because the same thought occurred to me, and this is the first year ever where there is not a single LEGO OT playset. This is supposed to show that the tide is finally turning for prequel sets. I actually have no objection to this because the clone wars era is my absolute favorite in all of Star Wars (with the rogue one period being my second favorite).
I would like to see a follow up article on the current state of Star Wars minifigs too. I feel like their designs have stagnated or in some cases even gone backwards in terms of accuracy. For example, just look at the snow troopers in 75054 vs the ones in 75288: we lost both backpacks and kamas.
Similarly, we've only gotten one version of Han with dual and side leg printing in 75222 and nothing else since. I suppose I'm just surprised that since then we've only gotten one other figure with the same treatment in C-3PO (75341)
Anyway, maybe its just me seeing as how we have been getting more SW figs with arm printing as well....
@gsom7 said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Knowing Lego they'll probably make a Death Star set costing $1000,"
You know something that you didn't write. So do I"
Sir, we're detecting a massive object emerging from hyperspace.
Shall we begin targeting their minifigures?
No, Lord Vader will handle that. Target their wallet, single reactor ignition.
@inversion said:
" @Broken_Cheese_Slope said:
""There are barely any new media released, and the ones that were are quite bad."
This comment is going to be funny when the mando movie reaches 1 billion. "
Not out yet though? And that's it, there has been only Mando since the new trilogy that was half decent (last season whatever though), maybe Ahsoka. No movies since."
Only Mando that was half decent??
Andor would like a word.
Also Skeleton Crew was fun as an 80s kiddie adventure.
There's a lot of focus on minifig scale, because it tends to provide vehicles of a swooshable size, playsets of practical tabletop extent, and minifigs that are cute abstractions of favored characters. But given the variations across the source material, no single set paradigm is universally applicable -- there are ships too large for minifigs, characters who are too skinny for BrickHeadz proportions, etc. As soon as TLG has more than one paradigm, the product line fragments.
An opportunity TLG has not explored: Creator-type generic sets for Star Wars-style architecture, to build "soundstages" for those minifigs. Lots of panels printed with Imperial stripe-lights, corridor ribs, pipes and grilled floors in shades of rust, sandy terrain. They're akin to playsets, but not of any specific scene, and wouldn't need expensive minifigs or large structural molds.
@BabuBrick said:
"Another disconcerting trend I've noticed about this year for LSW: unless I'm mistaken, this is the first year in LEGO Star Wars' history (with the possible exception of 2008) without a single OT playset; and this includes rumors of upcoming releases."
Does the Logo set count as OT?
Maybe LEGO fans need a break and would appreciate a different kind of licensed space them... ;o)
@CapnRex101 said:
"Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments so far.
I just wanted to address the changing demographics of people interested in Star Wars. From all the available information, it is absolutely true that teenagers and adults have become a more important market for Star Wars products and the dominant market, in some cases. However, I am not convinced that teenagers and adults are only interested in sets designed explicitly for them.
Data from Brickset only covers a small sample of LEGO fans, I admit, but looking at the number of people who own Star Wars sets released in 2024, which I use because all those sets have now been available for a while, play sets perform strongly. Excluding promotional sets and polybags, six of the top ten are conventional play sets or Microfighters. You can take a look here and sort by 'most owned': https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/year-2024
There are clearly many factors beyond set type involved, including prices and what the sets actually are, but if anything, I would expect Brickset members to lean more towards adult-oriented sets than the average.
I could be wrong, I just think there should be as much adult interest in minifigure-scale sets as any other kind. Perhaps the marketing of those sets should account for that."
My favorites are almost always the minifigure-scale sets (though this also includes MBS and most minifigure-scale dioramas)
@mitra said:
" @CapnRex101 said:
"Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments so far.
I just wanted to address the changing demographics of people interested in Star Wars. From all the available information, it is absolutely true that teenagers and adults have become a more important market for Star Wars products and the dominant market, in some cases. However, I am not convinced that teenagers and adults are only interested in sets designed explicitly for them.
Data from Brickset only covers a small sample of LEGO fans, I admit, but looking at the number of people who own Star Wars sets released in 2024, which I use because all those sets have now been available for a while, play sets perform strongly. Excluding promotional sets and polybags, six of the top ten are conventional play sets or Microfighters. You can take a look here and sort by 'most owned': https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/year-2024
There are clearly many factors beyond set type involved, including prices and what the sets actually are, but if anything, I would expect Brickset members to lean more towards adult-oriented sets than the average.
I could be wrong, I just think there should be as much adult interest in minifigure-scale sets as any other kind. Perhaps the marketing of those sets should account for that."
My favorites are almost always the minifigure-scale sets (though this also includes MBS and most minifigure-scale dioramas)"
And, for me, the minifigure scale/compatible UCS sets (AT-AT, Barge, Mos Eisley, Ewok Village).
They spend millions on marketing.
They see less and less kids wanting SW.
It’s us big kids, really big kids that still love Han, Luke, Leia, Vader.
And the 30+ folks that grew up with the prequels.
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Another disconcerting trend I've noticed about this year for LSW: unless I'm mistaken, this is the first year in LEGO Star Wars' history (with the possible exception of 2008) without a single OT playset; and this includes rumors of upcoming releases."
Does the Logo set count as OT?"
I probably wouldn't. It's more "Star Wars Franchise" in general, and not any specific Trilogy or era. Plus, it's a display set, not a playset; there have been a couple of OT display sets this year.
Well, it has helped me save money on the sets.
@Lordmoral said:
"Well, it has helped me save money on the sets."
I second that... I have all the legacy characters, and the ships I want.
I do prefer minifig based sets myself, so helmets, starships etc. are off my wishlist. If Lego would include a fig or two in those sets, I would definitely reconsider. I prefer a set with an awesome build AND awesome figs. If one or the other lacks, my desire to buy goes drastically down.
I buy playsets, microfighters, mechs and the occasional large “fig” build.
I’m also on a budget, so more of the ones I don’t want to buy decreases my fear of missing out.
The increasing prices worry me a bit though. Spending a few euro’s more on a smaller set isnt a big difference, but on a larger set 20 or 30 Euros more is a bigger deal.
And that’s only star wars! Lego has even more appealing themes, especially with the more regularly becoming drip of space themed sets.
The echo of my wallet has never been so loud!
@CommanderR3x said:
" @BabuBrick said:
"Another disconcerting trend I've noticed about this year for LSW: unless I'm mistaken, this is the first year in LEGO Star Wars' history (with the possible exception of 2008) without a single OT playset; and this includes rumors of upcoming releases."
Even 2008 had some OT playsets if you count the rebel and imperial battle packs. I actually went through every year of LEGO Star Wars because the same thought occurred to me, and this is the first year ever where there is not a single LEGO OT playset. This is supposed to show that the tide is finally turning for prequel sets. I actually have no objection to this because the clone wars era is my absolute favorite in all of Star Wars (with the rogue one period being my second favorite). "
Yeah, I was thinking of those battle packs when I mentioned the "possible exception" for '08; I could definitely see if somebody wanted to count those two as OT.
I'm not a huge fan of the first two Prequels (or TCW), but I do like the LEGO sets based on them. Be that as it may, I do wish TLG would vary the output of their SW sets more when it comes to timeline. They need to strike a better balance between the 3 Trilogies, the animated shows, the Mandoverse, etc.
@PurpleDave said:
" @WizardOfOss said:
"Just stop with Star Wars. Spaceballs 2 has just been announced, how about some Lego sets from that?"
When he made the first film, he proactively agreed to never make a sequel, and never produce merchandise, before asking George for permission, even though the 1st Amendment would have protected him for at least the films. Now we’re getting a sequel that we clearly didn’t ask for (so says the man himself), so maybe merch is back on the table?"
I sure hope so! I still want that flame thrower!
Or even better: A functional Lego Spaceballs Flame Thrower! Kids would surely love it!
Forgetting about Lego for a minute, we have to remember that the majority of Star Wars fan were kids when the origional trilogy came out, or are children of the 80's so grew up watching them. Or, for the most part, are the children of those origional fans. Therefore, most of the target market for merchandise is now the adult fans with the lifelong obsessions. So it only makes sense to me that Lego would try and target the main fanbase being the adult collector. And they seem to think that most adult fans want things that are display pieces as household decoration.
@Murdoch17 said:
"Agreed 100% @CapnRex101 ....However, when I read 13/6/25 I had a mini panic attack thinking there was now a thirteenth month*. With the way things are in the world today, anything is possible...
*Yes, I now realize this is the European way or writing the date."
The *correct* way of writing the date.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8PlvQOlmflw/UyIVEhs-MJI/AAAAAAAAA_0/l9i9f4Mqtws/s1600/Date+Format+Comparison.png
I wonder if this is just the treading water you get when there’s not been a new film out for a while. They’re the media that tends to get the big marketing/merchandising push (sorry TV shows) so they tend to be what Lego puts a bit more oomph behind.
@water_jedi_17 said:
"I would like to see a follow up article on the current state of Star Wars minifigs too. I feel like their designs have stagnated or in some cases even gone backwards in terms of accuracy. For example, just look at the snow troopers in 75054 vs the ones in 75288 : we lost both backpacks and kamas.
Similarly, we've only gotten one version of Han with dual and side leg printing in 75222 and nothing else since. I suppose I'm just surprised that since then we've only gotten one other figure with the same treatment in C-3PO ( 75341 )
Anyway, maybe its just me seeing as how we have been getting more SW figs with arm printing as well...."
I'm glad someone else agrees with me there. I don't like the newer Snowtroopers, and have always seen the 2014 ones as the best.
This is more or less what I was describing when you asked about my dissatisfaction with LEGO Star Wars a few weeks back, @CapnRex101 - the disjointed-ness of the product line, which to me points to a lack of direction for the theme (which is on-brand for Star Wars under Disney, at least, but still).
Honestly, while you can break the lineup into exact subthemes, I wouldn't even go that far; I'd just split it (much as @VictorvanSchagen did) between playsets (4+, Microfighters, normal minifig-scale, etc.), UCS (the legacy adults line), and the post-2020 18+ sets (Helmets, Starships, Dioramas, etc.). Besides the drop in overall number of sets since 2019 (due to no new movies coming out), the shifting proportion of playsets to 18+ sets is the most concerning.
There are a number of reasons for this, as people above have mentioned: the shifting fanbase demographic (Star Wars is gaining fewer - not none, but fewer - young fans, so the overall age is skewing older), LEGO's company-wide move to cater more to adults and AFOLs, the absence of new widely popular and marketable Star Wars content to base sets on (Disney+ shows are nowhere near as marketable as movies), and as noted a lack of direction for the franchise from Disney/Lucasfilm itself (with D+ shows popping up at random times of the year, flung all over the SW timeline and completely unrelated to each other, and movies about to go the same way), among undoubtedly other issues. All of these factors culminate in a dying enthusiasm for Star Wars in general, and the feeling that the LEGO product line has stalled and gotten stale, which feeds into the negativity generated by rising prices.
Even if LEGO wants to continue making 18+ sets (and business-wise I'm sure they should), I still think that LEGO should return to making a consistent theme of minifig-scale sets with a singular focus each year (specific battles, films, etc.), allowing designers to revisit and improve long-lost models and work in some new ones. I suspect that will appeal to collectors and kids alike.
@troynos said:
"How much kid Star Wars content is there? Not much.
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ashoka, Obi-Wan, Acolyte, Andor --- all adult aimed content"
Ahsoka was basically Rebels Season 5; it was definitely aimed more at kids. Acolyte and Obi-Wan were aimed at people with 2 braincells or less. Andor was the only show explicitly aimed at adults.
@BLProductions said:
"This is more or less what I was describing when you asked about my dissatisfaction with LEGO Star Wars a few weeks back, @CapnRex101 - the disjointed-ness of the product line, which to me points to a lack of direction for the theme (which is on-brand for Star Wars under Disney, at least, but still).
Honestly, while you can break the lineup into exact subthemes, I wouldn't even go that far; I'd just split it (much as @VictorvanSchagen did) between playsets (4+, Microfighters, normal minifig-scale, etc.), UCS (the legacy adults line), and the post-2020 18+ sets (Helmets, Starships, Dioramas, etc.). Besides the drop in overall number of sets since 2019 (due to no new movies coming out), the shifting proportion of playsets to 18+ sets is the most concerning.
There are a number of reasons for this, as people above have mentioned: the shifting fanbase demographic (Star Wars is gaining fewer - not none, but fewer - young fans, so the overall age is skewing older), LEGO's company-wide move to cater more to adults and AFOLs, the absence of new widely popular and marketable Star Wars content to base sets on (Disney+ shows are nowhere near as marketable as movies), and as noted a lack of direction for the franchise from Disney/Lucasfilm itself (with D+ shows popping up at random times of the year, flung all over the SW timeline and completely unrelated to each other, and movies about to go the same way), among undoubtedly other issues. All of these factors culminate in a dying enthusiasm for Star Wars in general, and the feeling that the LEGO product line has stalled and gotten stale, which feeds into the negativity generated by rising prices.
Even if LEGO wants to continue making 18+ sets (and business-wise I'm sure they should), I still think that LEGO should return to making a consistent theme of minifig-scale sets with a singular focus each year (specific battles, films, etc.), allowing designers to revisit and improve long-lost models and work in some new ones. I suspect that will appeal to collectors and kids alike.
@troynos said:
"How much kid Star Wars content is there? Not much.
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ashoka, Obi-Wan, Acolyte, Andor --- all adult aimed content"
Ahsoka was basically Rebels Season 5; it was definitely aimed more at kids. Acolyte and Obi-Wan were aimed at people with 2 braincells or less. Andor was the only show explicitly aimed at adults."
I basically agree with most of this; well said.
@Brick_Belt said:
"Now I'm not sure Andor or the Acolyte or even anything from the games have anything worth doing entire waves off of. Each season is deserving of maybe one or two playsets. "
I think the demand at least from adult fans is there for Andor sets, but when I think about it realistically I actually don't know what the show can provide to fill a full wave. I do think there are some obvious sets of course, the Fondor Haulcraft and the TIE Avenger both. But then it gets, dicey... I love Andor, it is my favorite Star Wars show but so much of it is spent in quiet offices; backroom alleys, parties and weddings. The biggest action pieces are the massacres on Ferrix and Ghorman; and that isn't exactly the type of scene LEGO would want to base a playset on. Maybe a new take on the Yavin Base with a focus on Andor instead of A New Hope characters? Beyond that the opportunities start to slim down.
With that said, if we got the TIE Avenger, the Haulcraft and maybe some smaller sets just to sneak in Mon Mothma, Bix, Brasso and Kino Loy somehow; I would be down for it. Maybe just make it part of a normal summer release schedule; have the TIE Avenger and the Haulcraft both as the dueling sets for the wave; and do a Narkina V thing as a polybag to include Kino; and a battlepack for the ISB Tactical Troopers; and that really would in just four or five sets cover everything else Andor has that is really LEGO ready. Unless they want to have the Harry Potter theme's Diagon Alley designers come over to Star Wars for a moment and give us big Ferrix or Ghorman plazas; although at the scale they need and the dark subject matter of those locations they would end up as massive 18+ sets.
Ultimately while I gripe about LEGO's lack of representation for the TV shows; some of that is on Disney as well. They pumped out a lot all at once; and considering how LEGO was stuck with a ton of Solo and Rebels sets that became shelf warmers; I am not surprised that LEGO would be cautious and sort of "play the hits" by Original Trilogy nostalgia and Prequel/Clones stuff for people my age. But I wish LEGO if they didn't want to stick to following the TV releases to much would at least try something new; there's some weird Star Wars ships worth visiting from all corners of the saga that could be fun (me and five people here wanting our Starspeeder 3000 set still).
@Lego_lord said:
" @Lordmoral said:
"Well, it has helped me save money on the sets."
I second that... I have all the legacy characters, and the ships I want. "
Whoa...hold up there. I still urgently need my Rebel Transport, not to mention the Mantis and Haulcraft.
@mtpelepele said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @Darth_Savren said:
"Think of the Children "
Will no one think of the children?!
If not, what about us big babies? I want more minifig compatible things and cool minifigs with sweet accutrement, and I'm going to keep on them until I get them.
Thanks, Cap'n for sounding the Bell Forge of Ferrix."
Fine, I'll take care of the children. Order 66. Happy?"
Wipe them out. All of them.
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Oh. I apologize. Did I go too dark?
This is an interesting topic, but without sales data, we're just making guesses weighed by our own biases. There are also a few presumptions at the core of this article without any data to back them up.
Some important context was ignored -- there was a new family-friendly Star Wars film in theaters every single year from 2015-2019. That created a built-in cohesion as each film would focus on characters, ships, and locations that made sense for a line of toys. (And there was a long-running Star Wars animated TV show on basic cable for kids before that.)
Step outside of the Lego world for a moment and think back to how huge the mainstream marketing was for Star Wars back when the films were coming out. Remember Force Fridays? They were at least an order of magnitude larger than Lego's annual May the Fourth deals. (Which can only do so much in terms of marketing.) Star Wars marketing was everywhere, and Lego benefited from that.
Streaming shows on Disney+ reach a much, *much* smaller market. The TV shows don't receive anything remotely close to the marketing reach of a blockbuster film, and as many other commenters have pointed out, the shows tend to be less kid-friendly than the films. And a show that only lasts one or two seasons doesn't support a line of toys the same way that a show that ran for seven seasons does.
Yes, the Skeleton Crew is very kid friendly, and as a 50-something adult, I also enjoyed the show. It was fun. And Lego made a nice set of the primary ship in the show, with minifigs of most of the main characters.
But none of us know how well that set sold. Or how sales changed over the course of the show (the set preceded the show). Lego has a ton of relevant sales data that probably tells a story that we don't know.
So how many kids nowadays are Star Wars fans? If you're a 10-year-old child, you were born around the time that The Force Awakens was released, and you were about 4 years old when the Rise of Skywalker came out. You probably didn't see any of those films in the theaters. And your parents probably didn't go out of their way to show them to you because they aren't as blatantly kid-friendly as something like Harry Potter. Those 10-year-old kids may have watched The Skeleton Crew, but they're not watching Andor. And even if they loved Skeleton Crew, that's pretty much a standalone show that doesn't interact story-wise in any meaningful way with most of the rest of Star Wars.
Finally, I agree with some other commenters that separating each individual subtheme is over-complicating. Broadly speaking, there are minifig-scale playsets, and display sets. Kids have no problem playing with a Microfighter alongside a mech alongside a playscale X-Wing. Even back in the days of Classic Space, my friends and I played with differently sized sets (from large sets to tiny ships with only a dozen pieces), as long as they fit minifigs. Kids generally don't play by recreating scenes from the films exactly as they happened on screen, and they don't mind that Plo Koon's ship isn't in the correct scale. It's a fun, little swooshable ship with a cool minifig.
Lego Microfighters have survived in that crucial $10-$15 price point for more than a decade. I think it's safe to deduce that a lot of kids are buying them and playing with them.
It's an interesting topic to think about, but without sales data, we can only theorize. Lego knows what sells and what doesn't, and Lego has a much better picture of the current demographics for each theme.
I'm very much in the middle of the Star Wars fan demographic that LEGO seem to be focusing on; late 40s-50s, and probably having more money than sense!
I've been collecting this theme for 15+ years and have owned most of the UCS sets in my time, mainly purchased as soon as they were released and I was happy with the cycle of a couple of sets between £170 - £350 per year, with the occasional outlier! However, it just got ridiculous when they released the UCS AT-AT, and although I could easily afford it, I just couldn't convince myself to spend that amount on a retail set. I still collect, but it's at a much lower level these days.
It's really sad to see how expensive LEGO has become - and I think LEGO could be in trouble in the long-term if they continue on their current path.
@BJNemeth said:
"And your parents probably didn't go out of their way to show them to you because they aren't as blatantly kid-friendly as something like Harry Potter."
Between religious conservatism and parents overestimating how scary the films are (I had the latter), I'm dumbfounded at the prospect of more kids being allowed to watch Harry Potter than Star Wars. I was allowed to watch Revenge of the Sith (with excessive fast-forwarding through intense scenes) at 6, but I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter after the first three until I was 11.
@CapnRex101 said:
"Thank you everyone for your thoughtful comments so far.
I just wanted to address the changing demographics of people interested in Star Wars. From all the available information, it is absolutely true that teenagers and adults have become a more important market for Star Wars products and the dominant market, in some cases. However, I am not convinced that teenagers and adults are only interested in sets designed explicitly for them.
Data from Brickset only covers a small sample of LEGO fans, I admit, but looking at the number of people who own Star Wars sets released in 2024, which I use because all those sets have now been available for a while, play sets perform strongly. Excluding promotional sets and polybags, six of the top ten are conventional play sets or Microfighters. You can take a look here and sort by 'most owned': https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Star-Wars/year-2024
There are clearly many factors beyond set type involved, including prices and what the sets actually are, but if anything, I would expect Brickset members to lean more towards adult-oriented sets than the average.
I could be wrong, I just think there should be as much adult interest in minifigure-scale sets as any other kind. Perhaps the marketing of those sets should account for that."
Great points, and I think what you write here really helps focus and sharpen the questions and the conversation.
My guess, for what it's worth, would be that large adult-oriented sets are likely (a) often produced in smaller numbers and (b) provide more profit (whether that's profit margin, absolute profit, or both I have no idea). So smaller sets and playsets might be what Lego sells the most units of, but I don't think that necessarily means these types of sets are where they make most of their money.
If my guess is correct - and it might very well not be! - then that would help explain why there are so many adult-oriented sets. Not only does each one generate more profit than a small or playset - but if Lego increases the number of different adult-oriented SW sets and they keep selling to projections, then that suggests that each SW customer is willing to buy multiple expensive sets, which further incentivizes Lego to keep expanding at the top end of the profit-margin part of their offerings.
Finally, I would also think that minifigure-SCALE is not necessarily the decisive category here. I think the fact that virtually all UCS sets include minifigures suggests that for AFOLs minifigures are indeed centrally important, but as collectibles rather than as play items for which they demand minifigure-scale vehicles, bases, and so on.
So in brief, I would ask how much profit Lego makes from all those adult-oriented sets vs how much profit they make from the microfighters and playsets.
@tmtomh said:
"5. Finally, I am not sure about this, but I wonder how this trend compares with the Lego Harry Potter trend. I have often wondered if HP stays a little more "evergreen" for each new generation of pre-teen kids because it's fundamentally based on books whereas SW is fundamentally based on movies. Reading is a solitary activity, whereas a movie - even one streamed casually at home with family or friends - is more of a scheduled social activity (especially for younger kids); and a book doesn't seem "old" or outdated the same way a 20 year-old Star Wars movie might. Not to mention that the HP books are generally much better than the the most recent SW trilogy of movies."
Which is funny considering how similar much of the story of Harry Potter is to that of the original trilogy.
Of course, then Disney turned around and made the Darksaber Star Wars’ answer to the Elder Wand.
@BJNemeth said:
"
Lego Microfighters have survived in that crucial $10-$15 price point for more than a decade. I think it's safe to deduce that a lot of kids are buying them and playing with them.
"
It's really surprising they have not even tried sets like that for Pirates or Castles, They simply stopped after 2014/2015, and now pretty much the "smallest" sets in those themes have been the Creator ship and Castle(s), the other being IDEAS/Icons, or GWP.
City (and some Friends) space hopefully was some sort of test, as it included a ton of small sets, from polybag size to spaceport/station, and in-between.
@BJNemeth - The point is not so much that the theme has diversified and the number of adult-oriented sets increased, as that was inevitable for a number of reasons, but the extent of that change. I fully agree about the lack of movies and large-scale marketing opportunities to reach all ages, but to me, they have gone too far in the other direction.
Also, I do not dispute that children play with sets in multiple scales together and said as much in the article. However, I grew up at a time when waves of sets were deliberately designed for cohesive play. This still happens to a degree in LEGO Star Wars, but far more so across other equivalent themes. The modular Hogwarts Castle sets and the new Marvel modular buildings are prime examples.
Of course, you are correct about sales data and we have to assume LEGO is responding to that data, but there have been many occasions of LEGO misinterpreting data or not taking other factors into consideration.
Take the number of large-scale characters as an example. Their quantity has risen quickly over the last couple of years, presumably in response to previous success of similar sets. However, that increase is unsustainable. Focusing on the droids for simplicity, there are perhaps five yet to be made that are both practical and have the potential to be popular, so by 2028 there will be very few options left, should the current rate continue.
@BJNemeth said:
"Some important context was ignored -- there was a new family-friendly Star Wars film in theaters every single year from 2015-2019."
Whoa. There's no cause for this, no matter how heated the topic is. The Last Jedi was neither family-friendly nor Star Wars nor a film. :o)
Maybe someone already said this, but let me give my two cents.
I feel like the core demographic of Lego's customer base has only increased in age. This isn't just a Star Wars issue, other themes such as Ninjago which are releasing more display sets (like 71847 ) rather than actual "play sets". Plus, I'm more likely to see an adult (especially couples looking for a date night activity) buy a bigger Lego set at the store for themselves rather than for a child. Plus, as an older Gen Z adult, I'm seeing my peers spend so much online that they don't want to do other things.
Don't get me wrong, I would certainly like more playset variety (maybe a couple additional sets for Andor or doing the Bad Batch Clone Turbo Tank instead of the leaked one coming out later this year) instead of all the 18+ sets releasing because I feel most young adults will eventually have a dark age of Lego due to shifting priorities (having their own children, financial issues, etc) and the Gen Alpha kids won't appreciate Lego the same as they get older. Lego will have to shift to a new target demographic eventually and having more play sets rather than 18+ sets will set the foundation for future young adults to buy their product. I remember all the great Star Wars play sets when I was young like the Malevolence, Republic Frigate, etc. What will Gen Alpha remember, the Dark Falcon, that will be irrelevant after 5 years?
@SearchlightRG said:
" @tmtomh said:
"5. Finally, I am not sure about this, but I wonder how this trend compares with the Lego Harry Potter trend. I have often wondered if HP stays a little more "evergreen" for each new generation of pre-teen kids because it's fundamentally based on books whereas SW is fundamentally based on movies. Reading is a solitary activity, whereas a movie - even one streamed casually at home with family or friends - is more of a scheduled social activity (especially for younger kids); and a book doesn't seem "old" or outdated the same way a 20 year-old Star Wars movie might. Not to mention that the HP books are generally much better than the the most recent SW trilogy of movies."
Which is funny considering how similar much of the story of Harry Potter is to that of the original trilogy.
Of course, then Disney turned around and made the Darksaber Star Wars’ answer to the Elder Wand."
To be fair that’s because both are drawing on storytelling tropes that have existed for literal centuries. I’m sure Joseph Campbell could write a whole dissertation on how similar Luke and Harry’s stories are to King Arthur and probably even before that
@Trigger_ said:
" @BJNemeth said:
"And your parents probably didn't go out of their way to show them to you because they aren't as blatantly kid-friendly as something like Harry Potter."
Between religious conservatism and parents overestimating how scary the films are (I had the latter), I'm dumbfounded at the prospect of more kids being allowed to watch Harry Potter than Star Wars. I was allowed to watch Revenge of the Sith (with excessive fast-forwarding through intense scenes) at 6, but I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter after the first three until I was 11."
The first three Harry Potter films are terrifying. The only thing scaring me and my children in Star Wars are rancors and The Last Jedi.
The adult collectors market for SW existed before Lego got the licence. People would be seriously naive to think that only children bought SW Lego initially.
What issues do I have with SW Lego (apart from the Disney tax)? Knowing that most sets like the Ghost aren't worth buying because Lego will just release a UCS version a couple years later (like they did with the Razor Crest).
@Pitmonster said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
"Agreed 100% @CapnRex101 ....However, when I read 13/6/25 I had a mini panic attack thinking there was now a thirteenth month*. With the way things are in the world today, anything is possible...
*Yes, I now realize this is the European way or writing the date."
The *correct* way of writing the date.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8PlvQOlmflw/UyIVEhs-MJI/AAAAAAAAA_0/l9i9f4Mqtws/s1600/Date+Format+Comparison.png"
Oh, this garbage again? There is no "correct" way for something like this. There is the common way in particular places. That's all.
It seems like they got rid of the backpacks and kamas so they can sit in the $850 UCS AT-AT.
I think anyone who can afford that should be capable of removing those parts if they want to seat the minifigs.
@troynos said:
"It has more to do with the content Star Wars is producing and who that content is aimed at.
How much kid Star Wars content is there? Not much.
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ashoka, Obi-Wan, Acolyte, Andor --- all adult aimed content
Skeleton Crew and that Jedi cartoon are the only really kid-centric content being created
So the LEGO sets reflect that
Without more kid content, there aren't as many kids looking to buy Star Wars themed LEGO so it's all associated with where the buying market is.
When Star Wars produces more kid-centric/kid-appealing content, LEGO will produce more as well"
Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ashoka are child-friendly content. Ashoka is basically the next season of Rebels. Obi-Wan had a young Leia in it to appeal to children. More child-friendly than a lot of Marvel films.
I also have thought that sets based on Tales of the Jedi, Empire, and Underworld would probably sell extremely well, as would sets from other Disney+ projects including Marvel series. It seems like a missed opportunity that disposing of the mechs (which are neat but far less interesting than sets based on actual vehicles and moments) or the helmets would solve. I was also disappointed that no Diorama sets were released this year, which has been my favorite 18+ line so far outside of the UCS series. I understand that Lego can’t produce everything but it seems like many great opportunities have been missed.
@xboxtravis7992 said:
" I think the demand at least from adult fans is there for Andor sets, but when I think about it realistically I actually don't know what the show can provide to fill a full wave. I do think there are some obvious sets of course, the Fondor Haulcraft and the TIE Avenger both. But then it gets, dicey... I love Andor, it is my favorite Star Wars show but so much of it is spent in quiet offices; backroom alleys, parties and weddings. The biggest action pieces are the massacres on Ferrix and Ghorman; and that isn't exactly the type of scene LEGO would want to base a playset on. Maybe a new take on the Yavin Base with a focus on Andor instead of A New Hope characters? Beyond that the opportunities start to slim down. "
I'd say the Fondor Haulcraft and the TIE Avenger for sure. Also:
-"Escape from Aldhani" set with the vault, Rono Trawler and maybe a new Tie Fighter
-"Escape from the Senate" with Mon's car and Kloris and maybe Jung's ISB agent
-Some kind of small Chandrilla wedding set, for Perrin, Davo, etc.
-"Wheat field inspection" or something with Brasso's speederbike and some Mina Rau residents
-"Ghorman raid" with the scene from S2 Ep. 6 where the Ghorman Front and Vel raid the transport
-"K-2SO's Awakening" with a small piece of Yavin and a cheap way to get K2
-"Luthen's Shop Encounter" with Dedra, Luthen, Kleya
There are enough small scenes to work the major characters into sets, except Lonni and Partagaz, while still avoiding the darker scenes. We just need a new Krennic minifig... maybe a UCS Kalkite with exclusive Krennic? ;)
@Trigger said:
" Between religious conservatism and parents overestimating how scary the films are (I had the latter), I'm dumbfounded at the prospect of more kids being allowed to watch Harry Potter than Star Wars. I was allowed to watch Revenge of the Sith (with excessive fast-forwarding through intense scenes) at 6, but I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter after the first three until I was 11. "
Huh, my parents wanted me to read the Harry Potter books before I was 11, I just had no interest in them. I got dragged into it when I was 11-12, and read the books 6 times each or something, but then I picked up The Hobbit and never looked back. Harry Potter is very much a kids' book series - the writing is very simple, and the whole world falls apart if you apply more than 4 braincells to it.
@tmtomh said:
" So in brief, I would ask how much profit Lego makes from all those adult-oriented sets vs how much profit they make from the microfighters and playsets. "
One thing you also have to consider is long-term profit. LEGO wants to at least draw in enough kids now so that they will buy the adult-oriented stuff later and keep the business going. So no doubt LEGO is trying to strike a balance here - and if Star Wars truly is still one of their best-selling lines, there's a chance it's working, even if it doesn't seem like it to us.
@yellowcastle Hold up, I'm pretty sure The Last Jedi was a film. Wasn't it a spoof of the Jurassic Park franchise?
@Eagle84 For Ninjago's case, at least, that theme is starting to release the bigger display sets because its core audience is now 15 years older than when the show started and are becoming adults, so LEGO is producing something for those long-time fans who may not be as interested in the little bike/car sets as they used to be.
Didn’t even notice we’ve gotten no OT playsets this year, how strange. I mean, LEGO still obviously hates prequel fans right? Not giving them their UCS sets *cough* or clones *cough* or any love at all *cough cough*
By the way, recently started working LEGO retail, and we had it pushed hard at orientation that the best marketing tool is nostalgia. Which is true. And factors a lot into the push at larger sets for adults.
@BLProductions said:
" @yellowcastle Hold up, I'm pretty sure The Last Jedi was a film. Wasn't it a spoof of the Jurassic Park franchise?"
I will apologize to JP for you.
@VaultDweller_197 said:
"While yes minifigure playsets have decreased due to other 'sub-themes' (if you'd call them that) have come out I personally do not think it's a bad thing.. LEGO® is more than a minifigure. It's the builds, the elements and the techniques behind the build which a lot of these do amazing without needing figs!
I find many people (especially those here in other comment sections) get too caught up on figures if it's for collecting, reselling or general value! Take Rex for instance or a set which does not have an updated figure when it doesn't always need one. It comes with a huge "oh they suck" "this absolutely doesn't warrent me spending my money because of one fig"
Even take to the big name youtubers who new a days comlain and comment on minifigs than they do the actual builds they're spending like 95-98% of the money on in a set/.."
Disagree. As I’m sure MANY people would. It wasn’t just “the build” that has made LEGO a powerful and long lasting company. I’m pretty sure most people would say it was the special blend of the clever connecting ability of the LEGO brick, inspiring imaginations all around the world…ANNNDDD the charming and unique little minifigures that helped bring those builds to life. It certainly wasn't just one or the other. It’s a little selfish to claim that minifigures aren’t as important as the build. You may not care about them, but there’s a massive army of minifigure collectors who would disagree. IMHO, the minifigure is just as important as the build. I enjoy buying an amazing set and building it as much as the next LEGO fan, but I will say that when it’s a set without any minifigures, I feel a little sad. A little empty. A little incomplete. I feel that way because in my 30 years of LEGO building, it’s always been the complete experience of a fun and exciting build accompanied by one or more minifigures that has made LEGO a fun and enduring hobby for me. Not just “the build,” and not just the minifigure…BOTH! Gotta have a balance.
@jjr_2009 said:
" @weirdbricks said:
"What I’ve enjoyed with the Lego hobby as an adult is that I, as well, can enjoy products intended for kids - not getting a little more detailed, though charm- and soulless, sets for absurd prices packed in even less charming boxes. "
I completely agree with this sentiment, even though I recognize that not everyone in the collecting community will feel the same way.
Part of what makes LEGO so charming is that the products encourage creativity and imagination. Who cares if the scale isn't 100% screen-accurate, or if Every. Single. Detail. from the film/series makes it into the finished product. With few exceptions, I will take a $60 playset that suggests a sequence from the series over a $300 UCS set that has all of the bells and whistles and will barely fit on my shelf.
"
*encouraged. Back of the box builds have been dead for almost 20 years. Few sets are designed for rebuilding. Modern sets - and yes even the ones that are playsets for kids - are sometimes so well designed they are hard to take apart. Hyper-specialization of pieces, inflated parts counts (e.g. including a ton of 1x1 whatevers as detail) also make rebuilding a set a lost dream.
@Pitmonster said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
"Agreed 100% @CapnRex101 ....However, when I read 13/6/25 I had a mini panic attack thinking there was now a thirteenth month*. With the way things are in the world today, anything is possible...
*Yes, I now realize this is the European way or writing the date."
The *correct* way of writing the date.
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8PlvQOlmflw/UyIVEhs-MJI/AAAAAAAAA_0/l9i9f4Mqtws/s1600/Date+Format+Comparison.png"
The only correct format is year-month-day.
Day-month-year and month-day-year are both equally wrong.
I'm of the opinion that TLG needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. The focus on (boring, IMO) static display sets made only for adults may result in kids today having zero nostalgia for Lego sets in the future. They're digging their own grave by not focusing on their core market. The reason any of us have nostalgia for Lego in the first place is specifically because of all of the wonderful playsets they used to make in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. A kid today can't really have that when most things aren't made for them anymore. Anything they do make is drastically overpriced to the point where I'd be surprised if parents are even willing to buy it anymore.
On a personal note, even as an AFOL I vastly prefer playsets that actually DO something as opposed to corporate soulless nonsense like the Star Wars logo.
Does LEGO still release commercials? Is Zack still a LEGO maniac?
@Nokturn said:
"I'm of the opinion that TLG needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. The focus on (boring, IMO) static display sets made only for adults may result in kids today having zero nostalgia for Lego sets in the future. They're digging their own grave by not focusing on their core market. The reason any of us have nostalgia for Lego in the first place is specifically because of all of the wonderful playsets they used to make in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. A kid today can't really have that when most things aren't made for them anymore. Anything they do make is drastically overpriced to the point where I'd be surprised if parents are even willing to buy it anymore.
On a personal note, even as an AFOL I vastly prefer playsets that actually DO something as opposed to corporate soulless nonsense like the Star Wars logo."
Yeah ,most of todays kids will soon just know LEGO pirates and castles from the fortnite game perhaps (Space is still seen in City and Friends), as definately not every kid is gonna get their €120/€250/€400 castle sets.
I pretty much only had small castle sets , but loved seeing the paper catalog displays, and there were plenty small sets and basic parts around to recreate a lot of it.
Now, of course you can still make multiple small castles with a huge set like 10305 Lion Knights' Castle, but unless you expect to buy horses seperately, most kids or buyers for kids aren't going to get either a €400 set, or order Pick a Brick pieces.
I think with Star Wars Lego is dealing with a situation that it hasn't had to face before - managing a long-running IP for a fanbase that is ageing and doesn't include a lot of children anymore. The prequel trilogy wrapped up 20 years ago now, meaning the largest group of young Star Wars fans are likely to be coming into their 30s now, while those old enough to remember the original movies when they came out will be well over 50 at this point. While I'm sure there are some younger fans around, the reality is that Star Wars hasn't done much in the last 20 years to add fans who weren't already fans (yes the Clone Wars was great, but did it really attract a lot of people into Star Wars who weren't already fans?)
At the same time, there's clearly still a lot of money in Star Wars products, so Lego will want to keep making sets, but what do you do to appeal to an ageing fanbase? If you're Lego, you release more large sets, and focus more on sets for display rather than play, and try different things to see what sells.
Comparisons with other themes can be instructive here. Harry Potter is another long-running theme based on a series of successful movies, where the last movie in the core series was released in 2011 (I can't speak to the success or otherwise of the movies that have followed since). Given this Harry Potter has a younger fanbase though this will also be ageing, Harry Potter is still getting more playsets for now, but we can also see Lego gradually moving into sets with larger builds, brick-build characters and objects that are more for display than play reflecting changes in the audience. I'd expect this to continue unless Warner Brothers brings in a new generation of younger fans with their television reboot coming up.
At the other end of the age range we can see themes that are almost entirely about play - often oriented around video games and clearly targeting a younger audience, though sometimes with one or two bigger sets for the adults where the IP has been around for a long time (looking at you Nintendo).
If we compare with the new One-Piece theme (based on an IP that has been around since the 1990s but which has seen a recent resurgence) we see Lego trying to figure out where the market is for this, by releasing a wave of sets intended to appeal to people at a range of ages. I would imagine that depending on what sells well, we will see Lego pivot to respond to that demographic with the make up of future waves.
Of all of the IPs that Lego seeks to cover Star Wars is the oldest meaning that a company which historically focused on the needs of children is now needing to figure out what works for a much older demographic.
Incidentally, if you're wondering why Lego still does 4+ sets for Star Wars (one per year) I'm pretty sure they have a requirement as part of their IP partnership with Disney to produce a certain number of sets for younger audiences. This would reflect Disney trying to capture these (largely imaginary) young fans. You can see this in the 4+ sets they also do for the Marvel theme, though there might actually be a few young fans there.
This article is simply a personal complaint about a reduction in Minifigure set releases.
Not everyone cares about "play" and Minifigures, me being one.
@560heliport said:
" @legoguysw said:
"Whatever happened to that new trend of cheaper, simpler, minifig-scale playsets starting with the X-Wing and TIE Fighter that came out in 2021? Did that fizzle out?"
75399 U-wing and 75402 ARC-170 are both smaller and cheaper (when factoring in inflation) than the older versions "
point well taken! 75312 is another good recent example
I agree with the analysis overall, there’s little I would definitively disagree with. Although I’ve collected the Helmets and some dioramas I would be glad to see the back of them in favour of more play scale sets using the same price points.
I don’t feel like it’s entirely selfish to think that TLG could create play sets (or even ‘MBS’ sets) for these things they STILL haven’t covered beyond tiny magazine polybags, or very rarely touch at all:
Ep I
- Various Trade Federation ships/landing craft (admittedly a bit niche/oddly shaped)
- Basically any pod racers (creatively interesting, could be a ‘Creator’ style kit that can be rebuilt into a few different pods perhaps)
Ep II
- The speeder chase on Coruscant (TLG has done some ‘paired up’ ships recently)
- Anything from the Droid Factory (lots of play functions I can think of)
- Anything from the Petranaki Arena (some of TLG’s top creature designers could surely come up with some cool ideas and simplify the layout)
Ep III
- Maybe one or two other capital ships but they may be niche.
- Some droids, clones or vehicles from Utapau.
(And that’s just from the Prequels)
Regarding the TV shows & other media like the Jedi games, there are countless missed opportunities. I would’ve thought a set for the TIE Avenger for Andor would be a slam dunk seller as so much of the marketing for the series focused on it, so it’s bizarre that we just got another U-Wing - must’ve been driven by the character inclusions, but even then the relations between them are flimsy, and a TIE Avenger set could’ve included Brasso, Bix or Wilmon.
I grew up with LEGO Classic Space and the original Star Wars trilogy. Later on, the introduction of LEGO Star Wars pulled me out of my dark ages, the perfect combo of Star Wars and LEGO got me hooked again. Star Wars LEGO had a huge impact and it helped save the company and brought a lot of fans into the hobby. But after more than 25 years, maybe it’s time for it to step back a little.
These days it feels like we’re seeing the same ships and characters over and over again, just in slightly different versions and of course with new brick implementations. The excitement of owning something special, like a new X-wing or Millennium Falcon, has kind of faded. I get it, this is part of the business model now, and it clearly works. But as a longtime fan, that sense of wonder isn’t quite the same anymore.
So maybe it’s time for something fresh.
Bringing back Classic Space, or creating a brand-new original sci-fi theme, could really shake things up. And not as a subtheme of LEGO City, but as a full theme in its own right. Something focused on exploration, creativity, and building your own adventures, just like in the early days.
It’s not about replacing Star Wars, but about balancing things out and making space (pun intended) for new ideas again.
@KingLego said:
"I think... the Clone Wars was great, but did it really attract a lot of people into Star Wars who weren't already fans?..."
Yes, My son is 18 and headed off to a major research university. He's a honors student and multiple sport athlete. He prides himself on his appearance and his knowledge of contemporary hip-hop as much as his nerd status.
The Clone Wars was the major impetus for his entry into SW fandom- and he is a fanatic. He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor.
Gee whiz! A friend and I were discussing this just the other day (we even created our own categories). Crazy that. you’ve noticed what we did!
I think this is the reason I’m not that into LEGO Star Wars anymore besides the odd set. All the minifigure play sets have broad appeal (look at the historical trends), but the theme is now becoming too over saturated with dust collectors and lines that have run their course. The fact we’ve only had 4 normal sets this year (and maybe half a dozen more in a few months) is baffling.
Tony Gilroy and his Andor team gave us a whole bunch of neat new ships, and LEGO could only be arsed to release a Corpo TAC Pod and an updated U-Wing. Seriously?
I'm gonna have to make a bunch of MOCs! The TIE Avenger, the Fondor Haulcraft, and that neat new ISB TAC Shuttle!
New media can influence a new set like the black Millennium Falcon but the original trilogy was decades ago and new sets related to them still got made from time to time. If they were to follow media, Star Wars Tales would be a good direction. Still waiting for them to work on sets related to The Clone Wars animation; there's lots they could do with this series.
Star Wars has a large catalogue of stuff they can make but they tend to revamp previous sets but lately this seems to be improving.
It seems children these days play with screens more than toys, so following the trend is to capture the market who grew up with LEGO which are now adults today.
Don't discount the importance of minifigures. Some sets needs them and some don't. The exclusivity of them is the main issue.
A lot of good points regarding the pivot in set types relating to changing demographics and kid friendly new content, but I think a big part of the issue with Star Wars comparative to other licenses is the expectations of Star Wars fans for screen accuracy.
It must be dispiriting as a Lego designer to put out the most switchable x-wing yet to cop it for a colour choice on the nose or a gun being to far forward, or two studs too long to be in scale with the previous year’s tie-fighter, but perhaps most relevantly to this issue is the criticism of releasing a play set of a new vehicle that sacrifices accuracy in favour of ACTUAL PLAY FEATURES!
No wonder City Space is getting more attention in recent years as it actually provides scope for designers to create fun play sets for kids.
As others have pointed out, including 2025 skews the numbers a bit because we're only working with half a year's sets.
To further add to this, do the 4+ sets need to be so focused towards AFOLs? No really, the figures are often extremely detailed and most often even unique to the sets. Wouldn't it be better to include more universally recognized characters instead of using these as 40$+ Glup Shitto battlepacks?
It feels more like they are here to extract another 40$ for the figures out of minifig collection AFOLs, than provide a product to parents with 4 year olds. No parent will pay that amount for these sets.
Like even if it's in the contract with Disney, to produce at least one per year. Couldn't they use figures already included in other sets to at least keep down the price of these sets? (Licensing apparently works on character basis, you pay a licensing fee for each character).
Is one part of the problem the source media? As a big Andor fan, I personally would buy an "UCS ISB staff meeting" or "massacre of the innocents on Gorman" on day one, but I can't see either being very commercially successful...
Also, my favourite star wars sets are 10236 and 75290, but it seems I'm the minority with most preceding midi scale UCS ships...
@StyleCounselor said:
"He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor. "
There’s no excuse for this. You had like one job as a father..
As a non-collector of Star Wars but someone who follows LEGO releases every year, I've long felt that the problems with the theme are the overabundance of redundant releases (the Millennium Falcon, for example), a lack of cohesion between releases each year (there doesn't really seem to be any) and the increasing emphasis on non-play / storytelling sets.
The main appeal of LEGO is its modular capabilities and the ability to build and create large dioramas that tell a story, like the ones in the old LEGO product catalogs. This is undeniably what drives the popularity of the modular building sets and many classic themes like castle, space and pirates among adults.
The idea of a whole half-baked collection of helmets, character busts or brick built figures that you spend an hour or two assembling and then place on a shelf to collect dust represents LEGO at its worst, in my opinion. I'm inclined to think that more than half of sales for those sets are only made for exclusive mini-figures that LEGO shoehorns in to coerce or exploit people, or for parts, not the set.
I also think that the overemphasis on set exclusive mini-figure releases with only minor changes also really hurts. I can only imagine that it makes people feel increasingly jaded--eventually even apathetic toward continually chasing that carrot on the stick, especially when you consider the prices many of those mini-figures demand on the secondary market.
Some might argue otherwise and proclaim that it keeps people invested in the theme, but I'm not so sure. I think it drives people to focus their spending on just buying mini-figures, which ultimately comes at the expense of building an epic diorama or scene like mentioned above. My own enjoyment from LEGO is firmly grounded in that sort of thing, not from completing spreadsheet checklists, but that's just me.
@bmerigan said:
"This article is simply a personal complaint about a reduction in Minifigure set releases.
Not everyone cares about "play" and Minifigures, me being one."
Yeah cool you dont care, most people do. Youre dismissing criticism about a childrens toy increasing becoming not only less focused on children but increasingly with no play value because you personally dont care about play is bizarre. Youre also missing the point about how often sets are released with nothing to go with them. Obvious example being the last 2 AT-ATs were released without a snowspeeder to go with them (and likewise the various snowspeeders released without an AT-AT) Those two vehicles exist to interact with each other, one without the other is kinda useless.
No it seems they got rid of backpacks because their new neck bracket piece was not compatible with the older helmets and the lack of waist capes was the first move in a long process of lego phasing out cloth pieces entirely. Starwars is getting rid of fabric shoulder armor and moving to plastic alternatives, super hero sets use rubber capes, fabric sails or similar piece are now entirely plastic vinyl. The writing has been on the fall for fabric for years now.
@PixelTheDragon said:
"The problem with LEGO Star Wars is that it has become a theme dedicated to adult toy collectors and speculators rather than making toys that are accessible and appealing to children.
Seriously, so much discourse around the theme is how big and expensive it is or how much certain mininifgures can help pay for kid’s college. It’s kinda frustrating how much it feels focused on that element to the point it’s not fun. "
Right on the money. Adult collectors seem to go crazy over a slightly modified or updated version of a minifig. TLG and Disney know that, and play into the FOMO. Plus, kids nowadays really don't care about Star Wars.
In the end, it's the license holder who decides what's get made and what doesn't based on projected profits and available shelf space. I'm sure they've realised years ago that kid's care more about Minecraft and Fortnite than Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, or whatever their dads used to watch in the 80s (looking at you, He-Man!), so the pivot to adult collectors with deeper pockets and a desire to have complete collections was always going to be inevitable, especially with this brand.
I'm perfectly fine with it. Star Wars is not that important to kids these days. And now we have 18+ sets for nostalgic adults, it makes sense that they create fewer but larger sets aimed at adults rather than kids.
There are plenty of minifigure based playsets for kids, it just happens that they are not Star Wars.
It took me a while to realise, but I just like cool ships... The UCS ones are too big, too expensive and can't really be played with, while playscale sets have minifigs, can be played with, are perfectly displayable (in a small house) and are fun to rebuild. Most of the time I don't know what movie the ship was in, let alone which scene and I don't really care.
So for me personally, Lego needs to make nice looking ships with accompanying figs and I'll be perfectly happy. The Fondor? Yes please! That four winged transport ship? Yes, I'd like that.
So whatever they pump out besides that, fine. I just won't buy those. As long as they don't quit making fun sets like the Onyx Cinder.
@Nokturn said:
"I'm of the opinion that TLG needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. The focus on (boring, IMO) static display sets made only for adults may result in kids today having zero nostalgia for Lego sets in the future. They're digging their own grave by not focusing on their core market. The reason any of us have nostalgia for Lego in the first place is specifically because of all of the wonderful playsets they used to make in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. A kid today can't really have that when most things aren't made for them anymore. Anything they do make is drastically overpriced to the point where I'd be surprised if parents are even willing to buy it anymore.
On a personal note, even as an AFOL I vastly prefer playsets that actually DO something as opposed to corporate soulless nonsense like the Star Wars logo."
LEGO produces 100s of sets every year aimed at kids. Most LEGO sets are still aimed at kids, especially those that are generally stocked in toy stores.
@yellowcastle said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
"He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor. "
There’s no excuse for this. You had like one job as a father.."
Ahhhhh, Wilfred Brimley.
Quaker Oats! It's the right thing to do.
I’d love many more microfighters, and to a lesser extent mechs (at least if they’re good - mechs have been a bit variable in quality so far), but otherwise I’m fairly happy with the current releases. Cheaper would always be nice, of course.
@BabuBrick :
2008 was unusual because they’d learned that gap years between films don’t sell sets as well as movie release years. They had the Samurai Jack Clone Wars shorts that had proved very popular. And they had a full CGI series about to launch that was expected to carry the load for the entire theme. They actually marketed the Clone Wars sets under their own theme name, they had a countdown clock going at TRU for street date on the new sets, and there were video games and OT DVDs that were timed to release on the same day. It’s not surprising that the OT got a little overlooked that year.
@Lexomatic :
Now you’ve got me wanting to see an official Kaminoan Brickheadz set. And an IG-88 Brickheadz. And maybe a Banking Clan Brickheadz, too…. Ooh, a Gasgano Brickheadz!
@CapnRex101 :
Hard data may not be easy to find, but you can make educated inferences from what’s easy to perceive. If sub-$100 sets stick around for more than one year, you know they still sell well enough that stores are ordering quantities that justify keeping them in production. And if a $300+ set only lasts one year (or less), it’s likely because it sold poorly, since at that price point they usually run at least a couple years. If a subtheme abruptly ends, the whole lineup probably didn’t sell that great, or they’d still be making more and chalking poor sales up to the specific subject matter, not the concept as a whole. Battlepacks are clearly popular. Constraction fits, not so much.
@yellowcastle said:
" @BJNemeth said:
"Some important context was ignored -- there was a new family-friendly Star Wars film in theaters every single year from 2015-2019."
Whoa. There's no cause for this, no matter how heated the topic is. The Last Jedi was neither family-friendly nor Star Wars nor a film. :o)"
Got something against borderline child abuse? Making kids sit down and watch that, I mean. I don’t remember any scenes that depicted child abuse. But then again, I remember about as much of that film as I do of Star Trek 5. Wait, were we talking about DW8 or DW9? Ah, point still stands, either way.
@BLProductions :
The Hobbit was a kids book, and the Dwarves famously had no character development. Harry Potter is considered YA, so technically marketed to an older group of kids. And I’d really like to see a class offered that gives an objective view on all the stuff Tolkien did that was bad writing, but LotR is held in too high a regard for anyone to be so brave.
Regarding TLG’s long term marketing strategy, I think you’re being overly generous. A couple decades ago, a guy named Jake McKee worked at the now defunct LEGO Direct branch in NYC. He once brought a LEGO lawyer, a member of LEGO marketing, and Kjeld Kirk to Brickfest in Virginia. The lawyer freaked out over all the trademark infringement. The marketing person was just bewildered, not understanding what they were seeing. Kjeld Kirk was the only one who asked how they could get _more_ of that to happen. It still took another decade for them to figure out if Pavlov rang a bell next to a group of AFOLs, we’d start debating what new minifig was about to be revealed. It took another decade, and a worldwide pandemic-induced lockdown, for them to really understand that the adult market consists of more than just SW UCS fans. They’re still coming to grips with the fact that they have two disparate markets, but they probably need a few more years to really figure out that one market evolves into the other.
@Vesperas:
They keep going back to the Falcon and X-Wing cause they’re two of the most famous and recognizable starships in the IP. For a kid who’s just getting into the theme, those are frequently going to be at the top of their want list. You can see proof of this in sets like 6212, which stayed in production for nearly five years, or 75301 which lasted three. Adults don’t keep sets like those on store shelves that long. Stores keep buying them because they keep selling. Their longevity is a pretty strong indicator that there still is a youth market, even if it is dwindling both by size and interest. The difficulty is when the youth market contracts to a point where they only want rehashes of a few specific vehicles and ignore the broader range. The theme can’t survive on that, so you still need to keep the adult market interested. That’s complicated by the fact that it’s split between traditional AFOLs and casual collectors. The former favor minifigs, while the latter seem to be more interested in high-end display pieces.
You could do an article about the sky being blue and then have a ton of AFOLs arguing over it.
Too many posts are just a denial of reality. There is still a lot of new content being produced, ALL of it can be watched by children, children are actually able to watch and be fans of stuff made decades ago, you had an adult collectors market before Lego even got the SW licence, Hasbro has been making for the adult market before Lego got into the game etc.
You may not like the helmet collection, that doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. The helmet collection has been running for years now, clearly it's popular for Lego to keep producing sets.
@MegaBlocks said:
"Too many posts are just a denial of reality. There is still a lot of new content being produced, ALL of it can be watched by children, children are actually able to watch and be fans of stuff made decades ago, you had an adult collectors market before Lego even got the SW licence, Hasbro has been making for the adult market before Lego got into the game etc."
I don't think the issue is that kids can't watch Star Wars content but that they don't watch it, at least in numbers tgat make it worthwhile for LEGO to target large numbers of sets at them. I was a kid first time around, and collected the bubble gum cards, had Kenner toys, had a SW lunchbox and flask and so on and used to role play games based on SW. My kids have watched all the movies but to them, they are just some movies out of 100s of movies they've seen and nothing special. We tried watching some of the Disney series together but they gave up as they are too slow and boring for them.
I suspect that many SW sets purchased over the years, even before the big rise in AFOLs, were bought by adults for themselves or for their kids due to adult nostalgia. If the parent was into SW it is likely some of that rubs off on the kid.
@PurpleDave said:
" @CapnRex101 :
Hard data may not be easy to find, but you can make educated inferences from what’s easy to perceive. If sub-$100 sets stick around for more than one year, you know they still sell well enough that stores are ordering quantities that justify keeping them in production. And if a $300+ set only lasts one year (or less), it’s likely because it sold poorly, since at that price point they usually run at least a couple years. If a subtheme abruptly ends, the whole lineup probably didn’t sell that great, or they’d still be making more and chalking poor sales up to the specific subject matter, not the concept as a whole. Battlepacks are clearly popular. Constraction fits, not so much."
There are definitely indicators of sales performance we can all recognise even as lay people, but our impressions are never going to be as reliable as LEGO's own data.
Also, you mention that Constraction figures were clearly not very popular and that appears to be true in the sense of CCBS figures, but not all kinds of buildable action figures. They are still pretty common in Marvel and DC: https://brickset.com/sets/tag-Brick-Built-Action-Figure Those figures have the advantage of mostly using standard elements, of course, unlike the older CCBS figures, which had to keep lots of specialised parts in production.
Incidentally, that returns me to the topic of sales performance indicators. Anecdotally, those sets seem to perform very poorly in many countries, receiving near-permanent discounts in Europe and North America at least, from what I have seen. Even so, the series continues, so LEGO must perceive value in them.
@PurpleDave said:
"It still took another decade for them to figure out if Pavlov rang a bell next to a group of AFOLs, we’d start debating what new minifig was about to be revealed. It took another decade, and a worldwide pandemic-induced lockdown, for them to really understand that the adult market consists of more than just SW UCS fans. They’re still coming to grips with the fact that they have two disparate markets, but they probably need a few more years to really figure out that one market evolves into the other."
When you refer to 'two disparate markets', do you mean children and adults, or two different kinds of adults? Both are obviously true, but I really agree on the latter, that the wider LEGO marketing department does not yet have a full understanding of the distinction between adult fans and AFOLs. Individuals working within the marketing departments do recognise the difference, but understanding is not widespread.
@MegaBlocks said:
"You may not like the helmet collection, that doesn't mean everyone thinks the same. The helmet collection has been running for years now, clearly it's popular for Lego to keep producing sets."
I do like the Helmet Collection well enough; it is just the subtheme I would personally drop if I was trying to make space for more play sets. Others are welcome to disagree and perhaps I would feel otherwise with knowledge of sales data, but to me, it is the series with the least potential longevity and the greatest overlap with another continuing series: the large-scale characters.
@JpPhoto said:
"You want to make the trend even more obvious? Graph it out all the way back to 1999 when it was ONLY playsets and then one UCS in 2000. ‘9 sub categories’?! I mean the issue is apparent right there before the article even really gets started. Jesus Christ, Lego is bloated these days, possibly beyond repair. Lego is somehow simultaneously the most arrogant and insecure company I’ve ever seen. Arrogant to charge the prices they do and to think themselves a luxury product on the lines of Apple and the like. Insecure to rely more and more on other companies IP because they don’t believe in their own stuff anymore and then WITHIN those IP to not just have the confidence to rely on their tried and true playsets, but to muddle the offerings with these subcategories, because ultimately they don’t know what to do and are just throwing stuff at the wall out of desperation."
I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with Lego being a long-tail company that markets products aimed at different age groups and market segments.
I agree that Lego should return to making more original ideas rather than licensed IP.
I would argue with SW Lego at the moment there are too many sub themes with different scales.
The buildable characters are not even in scale with each other, the Chewbacca, C-3PO and R2-D2 fit, but apparently K-2SO doesn't scale.
I like the UCS minifigure scale sets and would like more normal sets that are also minifigure scale, therefore you can have some consistency over theme. TIE fighters seem too small, and I don't understand UCS Slave 1 and playset Slave 1.
(Granted Death Stars and Star Destroyers cannot be minifigure scale).
@StyleCounselor said:
" @KingLego said:
"I think... the Clone Wars was great, but did it really attract a lot of people into Star Wars who weren't already fans?..."
Yes, My son is 18 and headed off to a major research university. He's a honors student and multiple sport athlete. He prides himself on his appearance and his knowledge of contemporary hip-hop as much as his nerd status.
The Clone Wars was the major impetus for his entry into SW fandom- and he is a fanatic. He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor. "
This is spot on. There are large assumptions being made by this group that aren't really true. Star Wars has a huge teen fan base because of Clone Wars. My students just voted overwhelmingly to do a Star Wars themed marching band show next year. My students prefer to buy the larger USC playsets (Death Star, Ewok Village, etc.). Minifigs are very important to them. As someone who also resells a lot of Star Wars Lego, the minifigs are 90% of the value in a used Lego set.
This is how my students would rank the various media:
1. Clone Wars/Bad Batch
2. The Mandalorian
3. Prequel trilogies (yes, I did wince having to write that)
4. Rogue One
5. Original Trilogy
6. Rebels
7. Andor
8. Sequel Trilogy
9. Everything else
@StyleCounselor said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
"He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor. "
There’s no excuse for this. You had like one job as a father.."
Ahhhhh, Wilfred Brimley.
Quaker Oats! It's the right thing to do."
We’ll never be sick, we won’t get any older, and we’ won’t ever die.
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@yellowcastle said:
" @Trigger_ said:
" @BJNemeth said:
"And your parents probably didn't go out of their way to show them to you because they aren't as blatantly kid-friendly as something like Harry Potter."
Between religious conservatism and parents overestimating how scary the films are (I had the latter), I'm dumbfounded at the prospect of more kids being allowed to watch Harry Potter than Star Wars. I was allowed to watch Revenge of the Sith (with excessive fast-forwarding through intense scenes) at 6, but I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter after the first three until I was 11."
The first three Harry Potter films are terrifying."
Probably why I wasn’t allowed to watch the later ones. If Dementors, werewolves, and snakes getting their eyes torn out were PG, imagine what PG-13 Harry Potter held!
Part of the problem is that they can't seem to make interesting play sets under $50. I just looked from 2021-now and there were only about five sets that had a substantial popular vehicle and a few minifigs.
75388 (I'm being generous calling this one popular)
75322
75342
75300
75301
Once you get much more expensive than that, it gets out of the range most people are going to spend on a toy.
@CapnRex101 said:
"There are definitely indicators of sales performance we can all recognise even as lay people, but our impressions are never going to be as reliable as LEGO's own data."
No, of course that’s more just a form of a pass/fail indicator. Although I’d guess the battlepacks are more popular than the Micro Fighters, if only because the latter has tapered off in volume much quickly than the former did. Plus amrybuilding.
"Also, you mention that Constraction figures were clearly not very popular and that appears to be true in the sense of CCBS figures, but not all kinds of buildable action figures."
Oh, I should clarify that, when I say “Constraction”, I’m almost always referring specifically to CCBS, since that’s the style I associate that word with. I don’t remember Throwbots or early Bionicle ever being referred to that way (can’t recall if the big jellybean knights were), even though they technically fall under the definition. I remember one wave each for DC and Marvel, before they gave up. Star Wars lasted a few more rounds, but they either ran out of suitable characters (Jyn Erso didn’t even seem to be popular as a parts pack for CCBS builders), or it just took longer for failure to register.
"They are still pretty common in Marvel and DC. Incidentally, that returns me to the topic of sales performance indicators. Anecdotally, those sets seem to perform very poorly in many countries, receiving near-permanent discounts in Europe and North America at least, from what I have seen."
I haven’t noticed these discounts, but I also haven’t really looked for them. I did notice that some of the more recent Micro Fighters and mech suits have had a few bucks knocked off the price, but then they also stay in stock for a long time at the reduced price. Either they’ve been finding they sell a lot better at maybe 10-20% off MSRP, or the discount isn’t even enough to entice buyers. That’s where it gets really hard to gauge interest, because short of making identification marks on the boxes, how am I to know if it’s new stock or stuff that sat there for a year without a single buyer?
Star Wars is dying slowly.
SW fans are older and older.
NEWEST movies were disaster. It all started well: The Force Awakens and then Rogue One... BUT after that: The Last Jedi, Solo, The Rise of Skywalker. This all affects to LEGO products and audience.
Ninjago is more POPULAR among younger audience.
@yellowcastle said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @yellowcastle said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
"He's seen everything except Caravan of Courage and Ewoks: Battle for Endor. "
There’s no excuse for this. You had like one job as a father.."
Ahhhhh, Wilfred Brimley.
Quaker Oats! It's the right thing to do."
We’ll never be sick, we won’t get any older, and we’ won’t ever die.
I get paid to be suspicious when I've got nothing to be suspicious about.
The oxen are slow, but the earth is patient.
"
Awe, just eat yer oatmeal.
I could never really stomach the stuff. We had it every morning. I mostly tried to flush it down the toilet. I hate oatmeal.
Granola is a far superior use of oats.
I think this was a great article @CapnRex101. Would be great if TLG gets to read these responses. Do you guys know if these are read by them?
@Trigger_ said:
"Probably why I wasn’t allowed to watch the later ones. If Dementors, werewolves, and snakes getting their eyes torn out were PG, imagine what PG-13 Harry Potter held!"
Four is when protagonists start dying, so…
But this reminds me of something I overheard growing up. My mom was talking to the mother of one of my earliest friends. Friend’s mom says she went with her husband to watch Raiders and make sure it was okay before taking their kids. A few years later when Temple of Doom came out, they figured if the first one was safe, the second would be fine as well.
"Normal" sets are good for everyone. Sure, the UCS set might be uber-detailed and have the benefit of scale lead to more direct accuracy in shaping, but the playscale one is actually affordable on a decent budget, is swooshable, takes up less desk space, and you can make your own display stand for it.
Adult display sets certainly have a place in the LSW product catalog - each of the 18+ product collections target the major focal areas of Star Wars iconography, and they lend themselves well to Lego's detail creep, but making it a nearly 50/50 split with the adult product line taking up space against playscale instead of expanding the total number of offerings is a problem. Yes, merchandise is gradually becoming an adult hobby as nostalgic adults have sentiment and each successive generation of kids is even more screen-addicted, but losing sight of what made the adult fans *become* fans in the first place limits options more than they expand them.
While I'm glad that leaks of the August wave are showing a good-sized new assortment of playsets, we're now at the expense of Lego's new drip-feed model of set launches, where instead of getting two big waves of playsets to occupy shelves and children's wish lists, we get three or so sets a month and they make the wait for standard products honestly harder. Why did a microfighter, a mech, and a battle pack need to be delayed to June? Why did May need to get only one playset? Why are Revenge of the Sith sets coming out in August instead of when people actually were talking about the movie?
Isn't "Lego" truncated from "play well"?
@BJNemeth said:
"If you're a 10-year-old child, you were born around the time that The Force Awakens was released, and you were about 4 years old when the Rise of Skywalker came out."
Thanks for making me feel old...
@bnic99 said:
" @BJNemeth said:
"If you're a 10-year-old child, you were born around the time that The Force Awakens was released, and you were about 4 years old when the Rise of Skywalker came out."
Thanks for making me feel old...
"
Truly, a most inauspicious time to be born.
@Alia_of_AGL said:
""Normal" sets are good for everyone. Sure, the UCS set might be uber-detailed and have the benefit of scale lead to more direct accuracy in shaping, but the playscale one is actually affordable on a decent budget, is swooshable, takes up less desk space, and you can make your own display stand for it.
Adult display sets certainly have a place in the LSW product catalog - each of the 18+ product collections target the major focal areas of Star Wars iconography, and they lend themselves well to Lego's detail creep, but making it a nearly 50/50 split with the adult product line taking up space against playscale instead of expanding the total number of offerings is a problem. Yes, merchandise is gradually becoming an adult hobby as nostalgic adults have sentiment and each successive generation of kids is even more screen-addicted, but losing sight of what made the adult fans *become* fans in the first place limits options more than they expand them.
While I'm glad that leaks of the August wave are showing a good-sized new assortment of playsets, we're now at the expense of Lego's new drip-feed model of set launches, where instead of getting two big waves of playsets to occupy shelves and children's wish lists, we get three or so sets a month and they make the wait for standard products honestly harder. Why did a microfighter, a mech, and a battle pack need to be delayed to June? Why did May need to get only one playset? Why are Revenge of the Sith sets coming out in August instead of when people actually were talking about the movie?
Isn't "Lego" truncated from "play well"?"
Yes, but the truncation makes all the difference. That version is better translated as 'one coat of varnish to save money.'
@Ro_nin said:
"I think this was a great article @CapnRex101. Would be great if TLG gets to read these responses. Do you guys know if these are read by them?"
Thanks. LEGO employees often do read Brickset, so there is a fair chance somebody has looked at this article. Whether it has any influence is less likely, but you never know.
Thanks for the insights. I think the fact that almost every new SW set contains unique minifigures is the reason that buying or collecting SW is becoming more and more of an investment.
I have recently started collecting certain SW minifigures and have seen sales prices on BL that are in the hundreds of euros. I would not want this to be LEGO's intention.
I don't agree with all points being made, especially not with seeing LSW sets at a pinnacle of design and quality currently. But I do very much share that I'm missing more "playscale" or "System" sets.
I'm a collector since 1999 (I don't keep everything for money and space issues but I did own a lot of sets), so I may voice my opinion. I have almost no interest in anything else than playsets, and it has always been like this. As a kid, I did own a couple of Technic sets (with action figures) and even a Model Team set, but I collected only playsets with minifigures. And it's still the same with LSW. Besides my many beloved playsets, I do own ONE UCS set, did not even open it and still consider selling it. I do own ONE Master Builder set and consider building it and putting it on display one day. I do own a handful of Brickheadz, a couple of Microfighters and one Planet set for the minifigure. No busts, droids, helmets, Midi Scales, Dioramas. I want to collect toys, not dust collectors. I want to swoosh my ships.
And mainly interested in OT sets, I do miss them. I have to admit, the latest TIE Bomber and AT-AT have been a lot of fun. I appreciate the anniversary double battle pack. But I do miss my OT sets. I do miss Tauntauns and Ewoks. I do miss a Snowspeeder and a Cloud Car. I do miss some OT battle packs (how about Endor rebels and Ewoks vs. Imperials?). I do miss a Cloud Car and a Bespin Lando.
I have been a long time Lego Star Wars fan and collector and it has been my favorite theme in the past, but this year I have only acquired 1 2025 set so far (the ARC starfighter that was given to me as a gift), and the May 4th GWP (Bought the 2024 Star Destroyer to get this though). Outside of the UCS Jango Fetts Slave 1 and the new U-wing, not sure that I'll be picking up any other 2025 Star Wars sets (unless something comes out in the August wave that I am interested in that I am not aware of). I'm not planning on spending 1,000 dollars on the upcoming UCS Death Star as I have the original from 2009. My favorite sets are the Minifig scale UCS/MBS sets and the minifig scale playsets, which there aren't that many of this year, and so far no OT minifig scale playsets. The rest of the Star Wars sets that have come out so far just don't interest me, and they are all of course very very expensive and getting more so as time goes on. Been spending my money on other themes and Bricklink Designer series sets intead. Pretty dissappointed in Lego Star Wars overall this year.
At the moment the Star Wars sets are not what I look for when I have to buy a new set, probably due to the bad display/price ratio. In general I like them, but I prefer to buy something more satisfying at the same price point.
About the review is very intriguing, it shows a point of wiew I never considered. It would be interesting to see another "Breakdown Chart" as the one above but based on set's MRSP price instead then quantity.
Excluding the seasonals and promotional sets and dividing the sets into play and display sets;
( play: microfighters, mechs, battlepacks, duels, 4+ and regular playsets.
display: diorama’s, helmets, UCS, starships and characters.)
2025 marks the first year of star wars where the display sets outnumber the play sets.
@Calabar said:
"At the moment the Star Wars sets are not what I look for when I have to buy a new set, probably due to the bad display/price ratio. In general I like them, but I prefer to buy something more satisfying at the same price point.
About the review is very intriguing, it shows a point of wiew I never considered. It would be interesting to see another "Breakdown Chart" as the one above but based on set's MRSP price instead then quantity. "
There was an article along similar lines several years ago, but the info may be outdated. What it showed, though, is that compared to the dawn of the minifig, the number of new sets annually has spiked (I think at least 5x what they would have been 40 years ago), the size of sets has also spiked (no sets from 1985 would have had 2000+ pieces, and now there are multiple sets per year), the retail price of LEGO sets has spiked (likewise, most subthemes capped out with one set priced at either $50 or $100, but usually not both, where now those are standard fare), but that somehow the price per piece has remained fairly consistent for now 4.5 decades. There’s a lot of perception about what’s happening that falls apart if you start compiling hard evidence, and there are people who have been pushing a shift to subjective metrics that make it impossible to prove or disprove opinions regarding value or lack thereof, but if you look at hard metrics then it really just comes down to more sets being offered, more sets being desired, and many people just not being able to afford their own appetite.
I have no opinion on this. I only clicked on it to see if you'd made the bar chart out of real Lego.
An opportunity missed, I feel.
I believe Helmet Collection is a perfect line together with UCS sets. Jango Fett and Boba Fett go perfect with Slave I and AT-AT Driver Helmet goes perfect with AT-AT. I think, Lego should focus on the display potential of these helmets together with UCS sets.
The only unnecessary sets I feel are Diorama sets that do not have minifigures. It may represent an important scene in a movie, but I do not think these Death Star and Podrace sets were really necessary. Otherwise, Lego should keep focus on releasing Diorama sets based on other contents too.
Receiving 4 large scale buildable characters in a single year is quite something unexpected and this is one of the reasons, people are not willing to involved collecting these sets. Receiving a set in a year is welcome by many people but receiving 4 sets in a single year creates too pressure on the target group.
I think one of the major changes is about the delay of sets. For example, we receive a mf scale set based on Ahsoka exactly one year and it seems we will be receiving a set based on Book of Boba Fett many years later. This is something Lego should really consider in their strategy, because some of these iconic moments are not remembered after many years.
This is my line of thought:
1) Star Wars isn't as popular as it used to be, the sequels failed to generate a new large enough interested generation, if anything it even removed some older fans.
2) Consequence, LEGO playsets sell less, and focus lies more on 18+ sets targeting trusted fans of both LEGO and Star Wars, and venturing more outside of loyal fans but triggering the occasional builder who just happens to be a Star Wars fan.
3) New Star Wars media is targeted at adults again, and not kids. Even the Bad Batch required a lot of Star Wars knowledge to really be able to appreciate it. Tales of Jedi/Sith require a lot of previous knowledge too. LEGO ignores new shows and continues to poop x-wings and TIE-fighters every year.
4) No new fans are lured into the rabbit hole, so LEGO continues with more and more expensive 18+ sets.