LEGO Ideas 21359 Italian Riviera revealed!
Posted by CapnRex101,
The next LEGO Ideas set has been announced as the beautiful 21359 Italian Riviera!
21359 Italian Riviera
Rated 18+, 3,251 pieces
$299.99 / £249.99 / €279.99
Available at LEGO.com from 7th August
Today, the LEGO Group announces the launch of the LEGO Ideas Italian Riviera set (21359), a stunning architectural model kit designed for adults. This set invites builders to embark on a captivating journey to the picturesque Ligurian coast, allowing fans to recreate the charm of a quaint fishing village nestled by the Mediterranean Sea.
Featuring 3,251 pieces, this detailed set showcases three beautifully crafted buildings, complete with removable roofs and upper stories for an immersive building experience. Inside, builders will discover intricate details of a gelato store, a diving equipment shop, and a bustling fish market, alongside the homes of the storekeepers.
The LEGO Ideas Italian Riviera set was submitted by Portland, Oregon-based Fan Designer, Alex Sahli, as part of the LEGO Ideas programme. LEGO Ideas allows fans to submit product ideas, which are then voted for by the community before being considered to be made into an official LEGO set. Talking about his design, Alex said, “I've always been passionate about travel, and Italy stands out as my favourite destination. Its blend of natural landscapes and architectural beauty is truly inspiring. My submission is centred around the villages of Cinque Terre, with some influence drawn from the Amalfi Coast. One of the key structural challenges I faced was incorporating buildings at various angles while ensuring overall stability. I'm especially proud of the vibrant colours and the textural variety throughout the build - particularly in the water, houses, and stonework. I'm also pleased with how the tile roofing turned out; it's a simple design, but it functions effectively and complements the overall aesthetic”.
The set also includes 10 LEGO minifigures, such as a gelato store owner, a fish vendor, and a pasta-making nonna, bringing the vibrant scene to life. Builders can recreate heartwarming moments, like a nonna teaching her grandson to make traditional trofie pasta, or a tourist savouring local delicacies.
The LEGO Ideas Italian Riviera set will be available for LEGO Insiders Early Access starting 7th August 2025 at LEGO.com/ItalianRiviera and via LEGO Stores, with availability for all from 10th August, priced at €279.99 / £249.99 / $299.99.
LEGO Insiders who purchase this set between 7 - 13th August via LEGO.com or LEGO Stores will receive an exclusive LEGO Ideas Mediterranean Scene set as a Gift with Purchase. From 7th August, LEGO Insiders will also be able to redeem 1750 LEGO Insiders points for a reward – an exclusive A5 dotted notebook (5009872), the perfect travel journal.
What do you think of the LEGO Ideas Italian Riviera? Let us know in the comments.
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Is the US price right?
Looks like not overpriced set. And beautiful colours.
Bellissimo
A far cry from the IDEAS Submission.
Doesn't feel like a 18+ set, looks more like a City theme set. The buildings have lost too much detailing and are way too flat. The windows openings and roof are also downgraded.
What a shame.
Very nice, I bet it won't take long for this set to get modded into a modular either!
The colors are nice, but the build looks very basic? The building and foundation are almost entirely basic studs up techniques. Bummer for an 18+ set.
It looks like three GWP sets cobbled together on a very nice base.
300 USD for a set with basically a modular footprint? Outch... Its nice but not THAT nice...
@Carnigee77 said:
"The colors are nice, but the build looks very basic? The building and foundation are almost entirely basic studs up techniques. Bummer for an 18+ set."
Bro did not just say bummer for this beautiful set :(
Just needs a minifig wearing a suit with a bald head and a barcode tattoo
@maniac said:
"A far cry from the IDEAS Submission.
Doesn't feel like a 18+ set, looks more like a City theme set. The buildings have lost too much detailing and are way too flat. The windows openings and roof are also downgraded.
What a shame.
"
Silenzio, Bruno!
Nice how they're reusing the F1 "Collectable Minifigure Series" rollcage as the balcony fences!
This is just a delight. Bright, beautiful, fun, and really captures the subject matter well. Probably the closest we'll get to a Luca themed set too!
Beautiful set but that price... thanks but no thanks.
This looks pretty nice. I probably won't get it, I don't quite like it enough for £250, but I think it's a fair price.
Mamma mia! Nice, but seems quite 'juniorized'
@lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
It is now! Typical that I went through the press release to correct a few questionable Italian spellings, but made a typo myself with the price!
@Your_Future_President said:
" @Carnigee77 said:
"The colors are nice, but the build looks very basic? The building and foundation are almost entirely basic studs up techniques. Bummer for an 18+ set."
Bro did not just say bummer for this beautiful set :(
"
Building experience is important to me, debatably more important than the finished product. If this were 12+ I'd support it 100%.
I wish this was a Luca set! But it’s very beautiful
I'm excited to see it in person. It's a magnificent use of recent colors and I think it captures the theme really well. I'd love to display it; what a great conversation piece for travelers.
"No it's too expensive"
Once again I will say - closed backs were a mistake.
My memories of the Cinque Terre are more of the about the surprising views around every headland while walking the rugged rollercoaster of a coastline. Admittedly, this would be tricky to capture in a LEGO set (though they could perhaps try, for the multiple hundreds this costs...)
This is beautifully & cleverly done, but it feels like it could be any coastal village. Nice colours; shame about the dead fish.
What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out.
Not sure about the price, but I like the set. I do love the ligh blue colored tanks!!!
Beautiful set. the only 2 cons: the repetitive elements for the windows. And the loss of the more harmonious pyramid silhouette, now that the orange house is the tallest.
I'll need to see reviews to decide if I want to get it. It's very nice, but I'm not sure if it's $300 nice.
I like it but, yes, lacks the charm of the original...missing the patchwork age esthetic of the original. Would be nice if they continues the original walkway on the left front to give the scooter somewhere to go other than into the water.
What was also surprising was the price differential...USD$300 versus CDN$350...this is, well, amazing and has not been seen in a ling time! 1.17 exchange (2014-2015) as opposed to the 1.30 of this past year's sets and had been climbing. Can only think this is owing to US tariffs on LEGO products. Given the actual exchange this CDN$350 is USD$255...makes me think American might be coming to Canada to buy LEGO now LOL.
'"By p0dracer in Malaysia, 17 Jul 2025 14:58
Beautiful set. the only 2 cons: the repetitive elements for the windows. And the loss of the more harmonious pyramid silhouette, now that the orange house is the tallest. "
Thanks for pointing this out...knew something else was off but couldn't immediately latch onto that point.
Needs about 4,000 more tourists with selfie sticks, but otherwise this looks great!
It's too much money for me, and I'm not enough of an Italophile to buy a set like this in the first place. Great variety to see, though!
I dunno.... this feels like the charm got sucked out of it from the original submission. I was already on the fence, but this version seems a lot more dull and basic. And since its $300 buckaroos, it really needs to wow me in order for me to figure out if there's funds and space available for this. Right now, its passing neither of those for me to consider getting it.
@Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
Is it a sausage?
Italian Riviera? If it wasn't for the fishing boat and other forced 'seaside' details like the fish store, 'diving school?' and the crab on the rocks, I'd say this was far more Venice Canal with the tight foot traffic only pathways and close together buildings.
The Riviera is more hidden beeches, and restaurants with classic sports cars parked outside to my mind.
That aside, it doesn't look like one of the better modular building sets to me being a little too square and blocky in architecture... which yes is ironic when talking about Lego.
@Schmopiesdad said:
"It looks like three GWP sets cobbled together on a very nice base."
GWP sets are really big where you are from.
So the functioning window shutters are never coming back then, huh? ....why?
@CapnRex101 The link to the original Ideas submission does not work.
@Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
Read the comments!
@lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
have you heard about tariffs??
@WokePope said:
"Needs about 4,000 more tourists with selfie sticks, but otherwise this looks great!
It's too much money for me, and I'm not enough of an Italophile to buy a set like this in the first place. Great variety to see, though!"
It also needs a soulless, hairless billionaire and his trophy-wife to turn the entire stage into their personal circus.
And at that price, said billionaire might be the only one actually buying this set.
This set looks like it should have some sea monsters in it.
To the people who are criticising this set, you’re welcome to your wrong opinions. :P I personally think it’s represents a beautiful slice of the Italian Riviera (I don’t think it’s meant to be an entire coastal village and surrounding landscape), and it’s a wonderful and colourful interpretation of the original submission.
Neat set, but I probably won’t be getting it. I fall into the “No, but I like it!” category.
It is not for me. It looks like a fairly reasonable MOC that you'd see in a convention display but nothing special. A sort of not-modular Modular that 100s of others have built in the past.
Now this is something that I can seamlessly slot into my World.
Light blue airtanks!
@Crux said:
" @WokePope said:
"Needs about 4,000 more tourists with selfie sticks, but otherwise this looks great!
It's too much money for me, and I'm not enough of an Italophile to buy a set like this in the first place. Great variety to see, though!"
It also needs a soulless, hairless billionaire and his trophy-wife to turn the entire stage into their personal circus.
And at that price, said billionaire might be the only one actually buying this set."
Wrong side of Italy, but I support the vehemence of your comment.
@lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
Seems it the way sets are going at the moment.. I can only imagine tariffs are not helping this
@ickleb said:
" @lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
have you heard about tariffs??"
At current exchange rates, €280 is $324, and £250 is $335.
So even without tariffs but with some regular sales tax (which is usually already included in the European prices) it looks pretty similar to me. Expensive, but equally expensive on both sides of the pond. Or am I missing something? Should be no surprise that the USD has dropped a bit lately.
@lordofdragonss said:
"Once again I will say - closed backs were a mistake."
I would likely not get this if it were open-back. Skipping open-back sets helped saved me from spending money on many of the bricklink designer sets or additional sets/parts to close-up the backs.
@ickleb said:
" @lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
have you heard about tariffs??"
In this case, tariffs will not affect the price at which Lego decide to sell the set. Tariffs will however impact the final price the Americans will pay (with a nice bonus for Trump's coffers). The main reason for a higher USD price than the European price is because most nations are trying to avoid dealing with the US now due to instability. On Jan 20th 2025 the USD was at 0.96 to the Euro. Nowadays it is at 0.86 because most everyone are dumping US bonds thus pushing the US dollar down and interest rates up.
Looks like a very basic build, something like a Creator (not Expert) model with more pieces.
The original idea had a lot more character.
While the production set has a vague similarity to the original submission, it totally lacks the architectural detail and charm. It is busier, gaudier, and looks very cramped.
Luca: The Bootleg!
@lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
For 3251pcs, all of the prices seem a bit low.
@dudebrick said:
"This is just a delight. Bright, beautiful, fun, and really captures the subject matter well. Probably the closest we'll get to a Luca themed set too! "
Technically, 43321 is a Luca set. There are digital instructions to make a single panel featuring the Vespa.
i think this is one of the prettiest things lego has made
I wanted to buy it, because I really like Italy and it`s kinda Tessin related, but it`s 299CHF, which is around 320EUR. Nice try Lego.
Beautiful but... another about 300 euro set!
It is all-round, at least.
The colors, roof tiles, and building angles are all so well implemented. It definitely takes me back to visiting Firenze and Tuscany a few years ago. I think it'll be a great solo display or with a few other modulars. I see the critique about the price, so I don't think I'll purchase it immediately upon release.
Very simplified compared to the submission, but still beautiful!
https://beta.ideas.lego.com/product-ideas/ccd7b6e6-09de-42ac-b880-a00603e586c8
I’m okay with the changes.
I like it but it might not make the list, especially at $300.
It seems like we’re now in the age of greebling, with smaller sets, sometimes denser, with more 1x1s and less large plates/bricks.
Very clever use of parts to make an Italian Greca Coffee Maker
The set is OK - not the type that I'd normally buy
BUT...
To continue my "Every Spaceman is Awesome" display on my YT channel,
I guess I'll be spending the £249.99 to get the light blue air tanks !!!!!!!!!!
(shown in the 4th picture on the back of the box)
Seems expensive for what it is. And minifigures look slightly oversized compared to the buildings
@maniac said:
"A far cry from the IDEAS Submission.
Doesn't feel like a 18+ set, looks more like a City theme set.
"
What kind of City sets are you seeing???
As someone said earlier if it was open back I wouldn't get it. I think it's a shame the beach is gone, but I like it anyway, though I'm not sure what makes it Italian Riviera, having never been. Would be nice to original inspiration location images.
As tedious as the roofs from the original submission would have been to build (and having build Loz sets with a similar roofs, I do speak from experience...), those looked way better than what the set ended up with. And those windows......just no. Kinda ruins it.
On the other hand, I do like how the base now has some more water around it, although it is a bit silly it's not nearly enough to accommodate the included boat.
All in all a decent set, but it sure lost quite a bit of the original charm. And I honestly wonder how many people like it enough to pay this kind of money for such a set that doesn't really fit in any theme or anything else Lego makes. I'd think it would have been much easier to sell if it were two or three smaller (and thus much cheaper) sets that could be combined. Not everyone would end up buying the complete thing, but the step to buy just one or two would be a lot smaller.
90th Anniversary Lion Knights Castle, modern edition.
Of course I want one. PayPal pay in 4 makes all my bad decisions financially suddenly seem like wise decisions!
@WolfpackBricksStudios said:"Nice how they're reusing the F1 "Collectable Minifigure Series" rollcage as the balcony fences!"
I wondered how long it'd be before those showed up somewhere else.
@PurpleDave said:
"Luca: The Bootleg!
@lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
For 3251pcs, all of the prices seem a bit low.
@dudebrick said:
"This is just a delight. Bright, beautiful, fun, and really captures the subject matter well. Probably the closest we'll get to a Luca themed set too! "
Technically, 43321 is a Luca set. There are digital instructions to make a single panel featuring the Vespa."
I assume you meant 43221?
299.99 USD.. for that?
Not sure what is more maddening, LEGO's pricing mark ups, or that people will still buy it for that...
@Minifig_Jez:
Or you could just buy the airtanks loose on Bricklink, or wait until they land on OPAB.
@TheOtherMike said:
[[ @PurpleDave said:
Technically, 43321 is a Luca set. There are digital instructions to make a single panel featuring the Vespa.]]
I assume you meant 43221?]]
Hmm...yeah. I had one of the set boxes near me, and tried reading the set number off it, but I have trouble reading upside-down when it's just numbers. No context. Words I can handle either upside-down or in mirror image. I could probably manage both combined, but it would take a lot of work.
Looks great. I will be getting this eventually when it hits 20%+ off. Will be a nice companion to 910023 Venetian Houses.
@Minifig_Jez said:
"
The set is OK - not the type that I'd normally buy
BUT...
To continue my "Every Spaceman is Awesome" display on my YT channel,
I guess I'll be spending the £249.99 to get the light blue air tanks !!!!!!!!!!
(shown in the 4th picture on the back of the box)"
I’d read through over 60 comments, and I was thinking, “I’ll be the first person to mention the classic space air tanks in light blue, but no. I’m really excited for them, but I’m not spending $300 for them. I hope for PaB!
@Wallace_Brick_Designs said:
" @Minifig_Jez said:
"
The set is OK - not the type that I'd normally buy
BUT...
To continue my "Every Spaceman is Awesome" display on my YT channel,
I guess I'll be spending the £249.99 to get the light blue air tanks !!!!!!!!!!
(shown in the 4th picture on the back of the box)"
I’d read through over 60 comments, and I was thinking, “I’ll be the first person to mention the classic space air tanks in light blue, but no. I’m really excited for them, but I’m not spending $300 for them. I hope for PaB!"
I'm curious how they'll be releasing the rest of the light blue Spaceman, they were supposed to be release in the 2025 Dreamzzz flagship set that was cancelled last second. I'm assuming the airtanks weren't originally going to be here until that set was cancelled.
I probably would have purchased the original submission. The official product just looks so bad by comparison--it's kind of mind-boggling.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
"I'm curious how they'll be releasing the rest of the light blue Spaceman, they were supposed to be release in the 2025 Dreamzzz flagship set that was cancelled last second. I'm assuming the airtanks weren't originally going to be here until that set was cancelled."
The torso has already hit BAM at my local LEGO Store. The legs and hands aren't difficult to come by. Really, it's just down to the helmet now.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"I'm curious how they'll be releasing the rest of the light blue Spaceman, they were supposed to be release in the 2025 Dreamzzz flagship set that was cancelled last second. I'm assuming the airtanks weren't originally going to be here until that set was cancelled."
The torso has already hit BAM at my local LEGO Store. The legs and hands aren't difficult to come by. Really, it's just down to the helmet now."
Precisely. Hopefully Dreamzzz will help us one more time.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"I'm curious how they'll be releasing the rest of the light blue Spaceman, they were supposed to be release in the 2025 Dreamzzz flagship set that was cancelled last second. I'm assuming the airtanks weren't originally going to be here until that set was cancelled."
The torso has already hit BAM at my local LEGO Store. The legs and hands aren't difficult to come by. Really, it's just down to the helmet now."
Oh yeah, somehow I missed that. It's weird that the spaceman is getting the BAM dumping like other cancelled sets but not the unique cyber villain from that set!
I'm guessing there'll be a random set with the helmet now (legs were also BAM), kinda surprised it wasn't the Friends comic shop set tbh. Maybe they'll throw a curveball and it'll be in a GWP lol.
@Nuclearxpotato said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Nuclearxpotato said:
"I'm curious how they'll be releasing the rest of the light blue Spaceman, they were supposed to be release in the 2025 Dreamzzz flagship set that was cancelled last second. I'm assuming the airtanks weren't originally going to be here until that set was cancelled."
The torso has already hit BAM at my local LEGO Store. The legs and hands aren't difficult to come by. Really, it's just down to the helmet now."
Oh yeah, somehow I missed that. It's weird that the spaceman is getting the BAM dumping like other cancelled sets but not the unique cyber villain from that set!
I'm guessing there'll be a random set with the helmet now (legs were also BAM), kinda surprised it wasn't the Friends comic shop set tbh. Maybe they'll throw a curveball and it'll be in a GWP lol."
SDCC minifig?
@daniellesa said:
"As someone said earlier if it was open back I wouldn't get it. I think it's a shame the beach is gone, but I like it anyway, though I'm not sure what makes it Italian Riviera, having never been. Would be nice to original inspiration location images."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernazza
I like the increase in color as it reflects the nature of Cinque Terre, especially Vernazza.
However, the scale and the price seem a bit off-putting.
I'll never forget my son kicking a soccer ball with the local boys until some nonna came out and yelled at all of them. Then he went and played on the small beach with a few German kids. Good times.
Build is great. 10/10
No birds?
Minifigs are crap. It’s kind of embarrassing how they don’t even try with some sets and go all out on others.
Price is laughable but that’s growing trend it seems.
Without beach and functional shutters this lost riviera vibes on me.
The green shutters and white windowed door gives a hint of an updated version of classic town. Amazing!
This has got to be the biggest come-down since the Fishing Store. The original concept was glorious. This is simplified and basic in comparison. I understand that LEGO has to do a certain level of redesigning to add "play features" and also cost effective, but the changes here are radical! It's almost unrecognisable! The original had some cool building techniques, gradients, and wall texturising... All gone. I don't like that the window shutters have gone, and even the colours of the buildings look muted and plain. That slope into the water looks all wrong, and out of place (slope is fine, but done another way). Total removal of the beach also removes a vital colour that made the original concept pop. It actually makes me quite sick looking at how much LEGO have changed simply to assert their dominance. Why ask people to design nice things, get thousands of votes, then ruin it!?
@Gemini_Phoenix said:
"This has got to be the biggest come-down since the Fishing Store."
Jazz Quartet? Table Football? Orient Express?
(and while I personally don't care for that fishing store, I feel it's one of the most beloved Ideas sets ever?)
@ickleb said:
" @lluisgib said:
"Is the US price right?"
have you heard about tariffs??"
Yes, here in Europe we have them for decades. We just call it different names.
@Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
It's a new part:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=7052T=C
Thank you for the link above, but only the yellow building seems to be from the original? Without the beach, taller buildings etc. this looks more like Venice. Why is it so difficult to have shutters, they were around in the original 1970's buildings? Just discontinue some of the thousands of single use accessory pieces if need to make space before can reintroduce.
@ambr said:
"Thank you for the link above, but only the yellow building seems to be from the original? Without the beach, taller buildings etc. this looks more like Venice. Why is it so difficult to have shutters, they were around in the original 1970's buildings? Just discontinue some of the thousands of single use accessory pieces if need to make space before can reintroduce."
I do kind of miss the 1x2x3 original shutters (3856), but I feel it's not as cut and dry as just "replace and reintroduce". Lego's been able to stick to the more standardised window-frames since phasing out the shutters (and related shutter-holders, which were admittedly kind of flimsy).
That said - in order TO standardise things, Lego also introduced new 1x2x3 shutters (60800a), that relied on 3.18mm and clip connections. They still make those things TO THIS DAY. I get that they may be a little bit bulky, but they still look really good. You could use those, or better yet, Lego could use those.
@Gemini_Phoenix said:
"... It actually makes me quite sick looking at how much LEGO have changed simply to assert their dominance. Why ask people to design nice things, get thousands of votes, then ruin it!?"
Why? They don't. This is Lego Ideas, remember? They ask fans to submit an "idea" for a set that Lego can make, but people always seem to think that they vote for the actual fan-design to be made. That has never been the case. Bricklink Designer Program is closer to that, with just minimal changes to make the fan-designs producible. But Ideas has always just been about the core idea. How many times must that be repeated?
That big flaw of the Ideas system is that it overwhelmingly just favors nice presentation. People will quickly flip through pictures and thus only stop and look closer at the ones that are nicely presented. I'm sure there are a lot of absolutely great ideas that never make it even close to be voted through because the fan isn't an expert in rendering, photoshop, and image composition. Lego could make it a great set, an improvement from the fan-design. But instead, overly complicated builds that are structurally flimsy and based on a half-decent idea get voted through because the images look cool, and then people are disappointed when Lego brings it down to something reasonable.
@Gemini_Phoenix:
Some of those “cool building techniques” may have forced some of the changes you see, if they are not stable enough in execution. And nobody asked anyone to design models with retired elements incorporated into the design. They’re not going to commission new molds just to put vintage shutters in the final model. Final color schemes are going to be dependent on what the current element palette looks like. Some colors require too many recolors, while others may not require any.
@RTS013:
I feel like you’re referring to the Exo-Suit, because that’s pretty much exactly what happened, except they even had to pull in the fan designer to help modify the submission into something that was _barely_ able to pass muster (and probably shouldn’t have, given how worn out the original “space arm” mold was by the time it went into production).
@PurpleDave said:
" @Gemini_Phoenix:
Some of those “cool building techniques” may have forced some of the changes you see, if they are not stable enough in execution. And nobody asked anyone to design models with retired elements incorporated into the design. They’re not going to commission new molds just to put vintage shutters in the final model. Final color schemes are going to be dependent on what the current element palette looks like. Some colors require too many recolors, while others may not require any.
@RTS013:
I feel like you’re referring to the Exo-Suit, because that’s pretty much exactly what happened, except they even had to pull in the fan designer to help modify the submission into something that was _barely_ able to pass muster (and probably shouldn’t have, given how worn out the original “space arm” mold was by the time it went into production)."
Well, that 'original space arm mould' was apparently a unique selling point... to some. As in, look at that, look at how original, spacey, and armey it is! You can hold lamps like it's 1989!
Which, surely is a pretty unique selling point. It's also a pretty bad one, since the arms it produced had incredibly poor clutch-power. I tried to remedy that by inserting some 3.18 bars to strengthen the connections, but ended up replacing them with newer arms instead. They might not be as original, but they _work_.
I still have those arms in a separate tray, so as not to get them mixed up with proper, working arms. Anyone feel like buying them for $1000 each? They're very original, you see. And spacey. And armey. Be the envy of your LUG, the Belle of the ball!
More sets like this please.
@GrizBe said:
"...The Riviera is more hidden beeches..."
That's one way to put it, although my biology teacher preferred to say "fagus sylvatica is only native to the mountainous regions of the Italian peninsula"
@RTS013 said:
"That big flaw of the Ideas system is that it overwhelmingly just favors nice presentation."
Exactly this, and I'm always baffled by the amount of people who tend to forget this. It does look impressive when MOC designers aim for maximum realism (which often translates into extensive greebling), but that is just not feasible for TLG.
For one, as others have mentioned as well, official designers have to limit themselves to the current palette of bricks in production, while MOC designers can raid basically all of LEGO's history of brick design (case in point: the windows, the ornamental fishes, etc.). Also, the more greebling, the higher the price, which has already provoked the usual (if understandable) complaints as is. And lastly, official designers most likely have a universal design language to adhere to, which clashes with many IDEAS submissions (although less so in this case, I feel like the original is already pretty close to it, apart from the greebling maybe).
Personally, I'm pretty happy with the changes, as impressive as the original is. I've always assoicated places like Cinque Terre with rocky seashore and stone piers, less so with sandy beaches. Also, for my taste, many MOC designers are a bit too generous with the pepper mill when they're flavouring their creations with greebling, so to speak. I admire the skill, but it doesn't have the dynamic vibe of a LEGO creation any more. Hard to put it into words, really.
It’s a nice enough set but I don’t think I’ll bother given the price. Also, if anybody is shelling out £250, they should at least not have those dreadful stickers!
@RTS013 said:
"That big flaw of the Ideas system is that it overwhelmingly just favors nice presentation. People will quickly flip through pictures and thus only stop and look closer at the ones that are nicely presented. I'm sure there are a lot of absolutely great ideas that never make it even close to be voted through because the fan isn't an expert in rendering, photoshop, and image composition. Lego could make it a great set, an improvement from the fan-design. But instead, overly complicated builds that are structurally flimsy and based on a half-decent idea get voted through because the images look cool, and then people are disappointed when Lego brings it down to something reasonable."
I understand your point of view, but what else are we supposed to do? Stop at every submission and wonder "How would this look if LEGO significantly changed it in one of limitless possible ways? What are the odds I'll (still) like it then?"? Why even have brick-built submissions at that point, let's just write down ideas for sets, put up reference pictures or even just written descriptions and go from there. THAT would at least make people imagine what LEGO could create with it.
@sipuss said:
"I understand your point of view, but what else are we supposed to do? Stop at every submission and wonder "How would this look if LEGO significantly changed it in one of limitless possible ways? What are the odds I'll (still) like it then?"? Why even have brick-built submissions at that point, let's just write down ideas for sets, put up reference pictures or even just written descriptions and go from there. THAT would at least make people imagine what LEGO could create with it."
That was pretty much my point, yes. Everyone that cast a vote must understand that what they are voting for is not the actual fan-design, but the idea of it, and that Lego will make a ground-up redesign before release. Sometimes it ends up very close to the original, but more often not.
The problem is not the users that vote, the problem is the system itself. It's evidently misleading, since people often get disappointed.
Having the submissions include reference pictures, mood boards, sketches, and so on, that complement the brick-build, could possibly help to convey the actual idea better than just renders or pictures of the build itself. Put more focus on the idea, and less on the actual fan design build details.
I also think there is something to be done with the presentation of the website, and how votes are cast. As the current system draws attention to flashy presentation and drowns everything else, perhaps there is a way to shine more light on all submissions. Like for example, just as a top-of-my-head example, click a button to see 10 random submissions and you have to vote yes or no for all 10 for any of the votes to count. That way people would vote not only for the stuff with the best presentation.
@Crux:
Did the arm fix years ago. I build MOCs for fun and unprofit. Something simple like that won’t cause me to faint.
@FlitzerMitDerPizza:
I understand that people will complain about fancy detailing. I will never understand someone past the target age range of Duplo complaining that the pieces you get aren’t chunky enough.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Crux:
Did the arm fix years ago. I build MOCs for fun and unprofit. Something simple like that won’t cause me to faint."
This is a faulty argument. Good for you for being able to fix Lego's bad decision. Bad for Lego for making the decision so poorly in the first place.
@PurpleDave said:
" @FlitzerMitDerPizza:
I understand that people will complain about fancy detailing. I will never understand someone past the target age range of Duplo complaining that the pieces you get aren’t chunky enough."
Man likes big blocks and he cannot lie.
@Crux said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @Crux:
Did the arm fix years ago. I build MOCs for fun and unprofit. Something simple like that won’t cause me to faint."
This is a faulty argument. Good for you for being able to fix Lego's bad decision. Bad for Lego for making the decision so poorly in the first place."
Just because I can fix a problem doesn't mean I excuse the need to do so.
" @PurpleDave said:
" @FlitzerMitDerPizza:
I understand that people will complain about fancy detailing. I will never understand someone past the target age range of Duplo complaining that the pieces you get aren’t chunky enough."
Man likes big blocks and he cannot lie."
I'm sure some of the same people who persistently whinge about the "price per stuff" being too high would also complain up a storm if the set designers took that to heart and started churning out Tiny Duplo For Adults set designs that meet the volume/weight/whatever metrics they keep arguing should supplant the price-per-piece metric. They just aren't capable of admitting that the only economically feasible way to satisfy their expectations is to revert back to 1970's Basic set design.
Having a vespa on an island with just three houses and a bit of sidewalk/street seems a bit weird to me. Why didn’t add an open alley to connect it to an outer world? Or are they supposed to cross the beach when it’s low tide?
@Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
I believe it is a sausage. Or a black pudding for any The Goodies fans out there.
@LD_Brickmaster said:
" @Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
I believe it is a sausage. Or a black pudding for any The Goodies fans out there. "
It's not a sausage, how would it stay attached there?
I believe, as @WolfpackBricksStudios pointed out, that it's the halo piece from 71049 and it's variants, part 7052. I had never seen it before either.
@Brickodillo said:
"Having a vespa on an island with just three houses and a bit of sidewalk/street seems a bit weird to me. Why didn’t add an open alley to connect it to an outer world? Or are they supposed to cross the beach when it’s low tide?"
It's not an island, it's a bit of the coast.
@RTS013 said:
" @LD_Brickmaster said:
" @Galaktek said:
"What part forms the top arc of the balcony railing on the yellow house? I can't make it out."
I believe it is a sausage. Or a black pudding for any The Goodies fans out there. "
It's not a sausage, how would it stay attached there?
I believe, as @WolfpackBricksStudios pointed out, that it's the halo piece from 71049 and it's variants, part 7052. I had never seen it before either."
It is. I bought one of the CMCs just to see what the parts were like (I might finish the set to MOC into go-karts), and the bar that wraps around the front of the driver's head has two parallel stubs that line up perfectly with studs that have a one-stud gap between the. So they'll insert cleanly into the end studs on a 1x3 tic-tac plate.
@TheOtherMike:
The issue, which I hadn't noticed until I read the first comment accusing it of being a coast, is that there's no way to drive the Vespa out of there. The entire front is clearly the coastal edge, with drop-offs at both ends, and a ramp down into the water in the middle. Then there's an alleyway in the back left between the two clusters of buildings...or so I thought. If you look at the backside view, you can see that "alley" turns into a staircase with a railing that goes right up into the building to the right. Unless that thing can get enough speed to drive on water, or you can exit out the back of the building into an unseen alley, there's no way to drive that off of the structure as it's built.
I don't understand how Lego hasn't made decent blinds in so many years. The set would have been perfect with window blinds... This was the occasion... What a shame.