Brickset bouts: Quarter final results
Posted by Huw,
The last two quarter-final bouts have just ended so I can now reveal the results as well as the make-up of the semi-finals.
The two contests fought yesterday were, in bold:
- 10193 Medieval Market Village vs 10243 Parisian Restaurant
- 70620 NINJAGO City vs 79003 An Unexpected Gathering
- 21310 Old Fishing Store vs 71043 Hogwarts Castle
- 75192 Millennium Falcon vs 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V
Find out which sets will join Parisian Restaurant and Old Fishing Store in the semi-finals after the break...
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Once again, in excess of 4500 votes were cast for both contests so thank you everyone who took the time to do so, and also a big thanks to the advocates who wrote such compelling and entertaining cases for the sets.
So, here's how the semi-finals will be fought:
- 10243 Parisian Restaurant vs 70620 NINJAGO City
- 21310 Old Fishing Store vs 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V
We now have advocates lined up for all four sets and if all goes to plan, we'll stage the bouts on Thursday.
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The Falcon didn't make it...?
/loses faith in humanity
I hoped 79003 will win :(
But in the same time I am happy, MF lost :D
Final will be 10243 vs 21310?
I'm quite happy that nothing Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or any other brand for that matter, made it to this point. Those remaining are fantastic sets that came mostly without any licensing deals (well, maybe the NASA one).
It's a heartbreaking bout again between the Parisian Restaurant and Ninjago City: this should have been the finale. Hoping for the Parisian Restaurant to get through, but it's definitely a tough fight!
Not sure what to make about the Falcon/Saturn bout. I did vote for the Apollo but purely as I think the Falcon is just too much as a set but I didn't expect it to lose.
Guess more isn't more (which is nice thing to see on reflection).
And bout 1 of the Semi's looks tasty.
The Saturn V will definitely reach the finals. The other fight will be a tough one though...
Now, NOW, at last, we see some truly great LEGO sets coming to the fore!
The NASA - NINJAGO final will make the Earth tremble...
4 for 4 in the quarter finals! But some very tough choices lay ahead in the semis. All of these remaining sets could be deserving of the title 'Best Set of the Millennium". I hope the Parisian Restaurant has what it takes to take down Ninjago, but we'll just have to see.
This sure looks like it's heading for a Saturn V versus Ninjago City final.
I'm excited.
So it's two ideas sets in one semi and two modulars in the other, interesting.
The Falcon is my favourite set, but think the Saturn V is the better set, so not too disappointed with that result.
Hoping for a Saturn V v Parisian Restaurant final.
Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets....
@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
You... haven't built one, have you...?
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
At least one out of the 4 semi finalists is my preferred choice - come on smelly fish cabin! Surely learning about fishing is far more educational and fishing is surely one of humankind’s greatest achievements - we wouldn’t have an Apollo Rocket without having invented fishing first, to coin a phrase used by the rocket against the Falcon.
@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
I had a similar opinion before i gave in and pulled the trigger in buying it.
I have to say though, its one of the rare builds I not only marvelled at whilst building (due to some of the techniques) but once complete was really impressed with. Definitely one of my fave builds I've ever done.
@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
Saturn V may be a set that is hard to appreciate entirely from photos. Build was amazing. On display it has a huge presence for its price. Can be played with to recreate all the stages of the mission. Arguably the best value for money of any of the sets nominated.
I think the Saturn is a great set, got one myself, but I think it's the end of the line for it. It had great value per piece, and definitely can look impressive as a display piece, but it doesn't have the extra details that make all 3 other semi finalists so amazing. I do think these recent space sets make for amazing office decorations for AFOLs, but they are missing that last little bit of wonder and enchantment that the (quasi) modulars have.
Saturn V has a lot of historical meaning to "mankind" and is a 1 of a kind set.
Falcon was the second UCS, even the largest, sure, but also part of a long list of other Falcons.
I have neither set ,but I'm also not a big Star Wars fan.
I think the final will be the Parisian Restaurant and Saturn V, they are both in the top 30 most owned sets, and oddly the only 2 in the top 30 out of the 16 sets put in for the initial poll.
If you want to see the top 30 I've made a Bricklist: https://brickset.com/sets/list-35959
Hoping the Parisian will win as its one of my top 5 favourite sets ever, behind the two Simpsons D2C sets.
So 2 of the 4 finalists are Ideas sets. I like that. Power to the people!
@bananaworld said:
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@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
You... haven't built one, have you...?"
Well....you're spot on there. I do own 10 of the 16 sets that made the voting stage but can't say that the Saturn ever appealed to me although it did sell out pretty quickly over here and from other comments appears that looks can be deceiving.......
I'm really confused why the saturn 5 is winning... to me its the worst set out of all the original ones in this. it just doesn't inspire or look awesome at all. its a white cylinder... I guess maybe cause its recent and very cheap when it was out. The finally really should be ninjago city vs the millennium falcon if this is the best set of the last 20 years.... it really seems to be more of what people own... i dont see the saturn 5 really talked about... but the other 2 i here people saying they want or are awesome or doing new things with it... am i really missing what this is about?
Okay thats number two of my favorite sets Ninjago city beats, I really hope PR will win in this semi-final. Otherwise I have to buy Ninjago City (Cann't have a modular collection without the best set).
Whatever the outcome of these finals, well done to the imagination and creativity of Lego fans, two Ideas sets into the semi-finals.
Just think, if just 2 more people did the right thing and voted for the Roller Coaster. Or that one of those votes was a miss-click...
@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
May I recommend speed reading the instruction manual pdf. It shows how absolutely Absurd the building techniques were on the inside. Particularly where the external panels begin to go on.
@LofElle said:
".... am i really missing what this is about?"
Yes
Yep
Oui
Ja
Hai
wow
Now that's a turn up ......... come on Ninjago City it is then !!! Modulars are ok but as modulars go give your head a wobble if you have not seen or built Ninjago City as a lego fan. Saturn V proves the fan boys who balk at the theme based sets reign - I mean come on most have you have spend 10s of thousands on Lego and then drip about the prices when lego produces massive sets ........ errrrrr. Loving the Saturn v comment - its just a tube !!!
Actually it is - novelty aside it is a great rendition but a boring model. Take away price and significance and it probably would have a poor show and yes I have built it - the IDEAs lander looks better imo.
What fun this is .... thank god its not for the best set ever !!!
To those that don’t understand the Saturn V appeal; it has one of the most technically marvelous builds of any set Lego has ever produced, and it truly is a great engineering feat. The build is ingenious in many ways, and the fact that it still can be separated out into the proper stages is incredible. It may just look like a cylindrical build, but I assure you, it’s far from that if you actually build it.
Millennium Falcon lost?!?!? At least Ninjago City blasted the small but lovely Bilbo Baggins home. My votes are NC and Old Fishing Store and it will be hard to choose between those two.....
Wouldn't mind to own the mountain of bley but I will vote all day for Saturn V (which I own).
It's a fantastic build, highly educational and quite affordable compared to the MF.
Lego needs more Lego Ideas sets, even for small builds.
@Cooliocdawg said:
" @duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
May I recommend speed reading the instruction manual pdf. It shows how absolutely Absurd the building techniques were on the inside. Particularly where the external panels begin to go on."
I did look at the instructions and the build in the treehouse and the other sets is quite more interesting. thinking about how iconic the millennium falcon is the size and detail of the fact it is the biggest set, building technique, to build such a large scale set.. etc... Im not saying its bad its just not as good as the others in most all aspects.
Ninjago City all the way! I really think it's the best set ever by some way. Those other 3 sets are great, but they aren't as suitable for people of all ages. The NC is the best representation of what LEGO is. It's THEIR theme that they invented, and when the movie theme came, they let the designers' creativity run wild. It really is the perfect LEGO set. It reaches the height of displayableness (I know that's not a real word) and playability. Also, in terms of value it's better than the Restaurant and much better than the Fishing Store. The PPP is marginally cheaper with the Saturn V, but come on, you're not going to get hours of enjoyment with the Saturn V. And it's not the greatest-looking of these sets. I honestly think that the best set ever objectively is the Ninjago City.
I own these top 4 in my collection. Now it will be more difficult to choose between them..... ??
10243 Parisian Restaurant vs 70620 NINJAGO City : a timeless classic vs a high top set, rich in details and complexity
21310 Old Fishing Store vs 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn : THE Ideas battle, an orignal creation vs
a one meter high tribute to the conquest of space....
Pleasantly surprised! Honestly didn't think the Saturn could beat the Falcon.
Semi finals are really hard to call now...
I'm still wrecked from Roller Coaster being beat out by one vote in the first round (personally it's my favorite set), and I'm hoping PR takes it all, but anyone that "doesn't see the appeal" of the Saturn V needs to get their vision checked. The build itself is one of the most satisfying experiences I've ever encountered in a LEGO set.
Great final 4. 2 in-house IP, 2 Ideas. Only license is non-fiction. Much better than if came down to Star Wars, Disney, Harry Potter and Marvel.
We probably won't reach a consensus on best set, but 2017 was definitely TLG's finest year of the last 20 years. 6/16 in the knockout round and 3/4 of the semifinalists come from 2017. Saturn V could possibly win the competition only going against sets from the same year (Destiny's Bounty, Falcon, Fishing Store, Ninjago City)
I'm glad to have gotten it right 2/2 this time! Haha the semi-final is getting interesting, and nice once in a while to look into the sets like this, can we do more of such competition? :)
All great sets. Lucky enough to own them. Choosing a preferred set, very hard.
TLG please take note, licensing is not the be all and end all. The best Ideas sets are also not a simple collection of minifigs
Oh dear, the tragically frivolous nature of the knockout draw has denied us of a 10243 Parisian Restaurant vs 70620 NINJAGO City final.
@bananaworld said:
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@duilim said:
"Have to admit I'm struggling to understand the popularity of the Apollo Saturn...its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not and can't imagine the build would be more interesting than any of the other remaining sets...."
You... haven't built one, have you...?"
I have both, and I'm in the same boat. In terms of detail, building techniques, accuracy playability, interior, minifigs, ... the Falcon is 12 parsecs ahead...
Saturn 5 all the way
@audiobean said:
"I'm glad to have gotten it right 2/2 this time! Haha the semi-final is getting interesting, and nice once in a while to look into the sets like this, can we do more of such competition? :)"
I’ve been thinking for a while about a competition for best CMF. It’s a tricky thing, because of the number of series, but I’ve worked out a format of having a ”group stage” followed by a knockout. It’d be awesome if it could happen, but I don’t think regular users can post such things.
Yes!! So happy the Saturn V won. It's a beautiful model, brilliantly designed and fun to play with.
Called it with Saturn V!
Though... even despite my expecting it to ultimately win, I think it's going to have some steep competition going up against the Fishing Store. In honesty, this is the first bout where I think Saturn V actually stands a chance of losing; because I've seen in the contest so far just how passionate people are about the Fishing Store! It's gonna be a close contest, I'm pretty sure.
As for Ninjago vs Parisian... that's gonna be a tricky one to call, too. I'm gonna have to rely on the advocacies to sway me there, I think, because they both look like fantastic sets and I've no idea which I'd even chose!
Still expecting Saturn V to be the overall winner, but hoping to be surprised instead xD
3 fantastic sets, plus Ninjago City which just looks too chaotic, with a bit too much crammed into a small space.
There will also be quite a few who have no interest in the Ninjago series, so wouldn't give the sets a second look. (The same applied to Star Wars sets).
Saturn V vs Parisian Restaurant for the final.
It's funny to see how the Falcon polarizes opinions. You have those quite disappointed it didn't make it, but also those quite happy to see it didn't.
I own all 4.
Ninjago City is the winner, by a mile.
I’m really glad the Falcon lost. I have a real distaste for the BLOAT associated with Star Wars sets - bloat in price, bloat in “detail” that adds nothing meaningful to the set itself, bloat in the importance of minifigs over good construction.
I actually think sets like the Falcon highlight some of the WORST attributes of Lego over the past decades.
Kudos to four finalists. They’re pretty much exactly the sets that I thought should be in the final. All are worthy winners.
I'd speak up for Parisian Restaurant, @Huw
I love the set and the build
Happy!
Three out of my 5 are in the semi finals. And I only put in Assembly Square instead of Parisien because it had elements of it in it (And the other modulars).
Ninjago all the way for me, but I LOVE and own all FOUR remaining sets!
Wow! I was expecting a better showing of support for Unexpected Gathering. Maybe LOTR/Hobbit is too niche, or maybe it was because Ninjago was more recent?
I'm not a Ninjago fan but Ninjago City is certainly incredible.
And now I don’t care for any of these sets. I couldn’t care less about which one wins. I won’t even vote.
These are four absolutely solid contenders for the final. Hard choices ahead.
"its essentially one long cylindrical tube that changes in diameter. A great engineering feat it definitely is not"
In the words of Dolly Parton (more or less): It takes a lot of work to look this simple.
The engineering required to make smooth, sturdy circles out of mostly rectangular bricks is tremendous, and easily underestimated.
@BionicleJedi said:
"Called it with Saturn V!
Though... even despite my expecting it to ultimately win, I think it's going to have some steep competition going up against the Fishing Store. In honesty, this is the first bout where I think Saturn V actually stands a chance of losing; because I've seen in the contest so far just how passionate people are about the Fishing Store! It's gonna be a close contest, I'm pretty sure.
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I also feel that way. The Old Fishing Store is really amazing. It looks very good on the inside and the outside, and is really fun to build. My favorite modular so far.
Will be Saturn V vs Ninjago City.
Bummed that AUG lost to Ninjago City. An all time great made entirely out of classic pieces, with great minifigs at a reasonable price vs. a hodge podge LEGO just threw money at based on the weakest of the LEGO Movies by far...
Now all the Star Wars and LOTR fans feel like I did when the Pirates of Barracuda Bay set didn't make the cut. Yeah, it feels wrong. It doesn't make sense. Oh well.
Yeah. I feel like AUG is a great set with 5 exclusive minifigs to the set and Lego was not afraid to take risks as the advocation said. I believe AUG should have won. But we all have opinions.
Shrug. A lot of people vote against things instead of for things. Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Come on guys, the Saturn V is a well-deserved win. I'm not personally interested in it, but I read the review and I remember marvelling at the fascinating techniques involved to create all the different diameters. Calling it "just a tube" is ridiculous.
Here you go: Parisian Restaurant is "just a house," Emerald Night is "just a train," Pirates of Barracuda Bay is "just a ship and an island!" Now I only said that as an example, and I most certainly do not agree with it. My point is - you see how annoying this oversimplification is? Quite frankly it's the cheapest of shots and it's insulting to the designers and fans alike.
Ever since we built it (and have spent hundreds of hours playing with it) we have thought that the Saturn V is the greatest Lego set ever made. We have three out of the four finalists and it's still no contest. It was a fantastic build experience with legacy techniques used by many sets that came after it. It has an absurd parts to pieces ratio unrivaled until the Minions layer came out this year. The play functions are endless. It is one of two sets that seem to require an additional furniture purchase for display (MF being the other one). It is the largest $100ish set you'll ever own.
Ahhh... hard decision for the quarter finals. I think I might go for the old fishing store although I love the NASA rocket thing. Still not sure about the other though... :)
I stand by my 3 star review of the Old Fishing Store. It looks decent enough, but it's not a good play set and I would rate the build experience as below any of the 8 modulars that I've built.
I've been telling my friends that the Saturn V is one of the best sets Lego has made in a long time. Now I want to say that it was voted the BEST set Lego has made this millennium!
Before we go to the semi-finals, why not watch Jang’s reviews on YouTube for each of the sets to refresh your memory and get all the details?
Then, ask yourself, what makes a good LEGO set? Isn’t LEGO primarily meant to be a kid’s toy? Shouldn’t it have good play value, with display value as a bonus? Ultimately it should appeal to both young and old, and, being LEGO, should be customisable with only imagination being the limit.
Please remember, this is about the BEST LEGO set of the last 20 years, which isn’t necessarily the same thing as your favourite set.
Yes, underdog for the win! You're a great set Falcon, but you're not History perfected in Lego! Sorry first post, but faith in humanity restored for not simply picking the "obvious" choice!
^^ (and ^) me too! I have others that are more personal favs but I've acknowledged the Saturn V as greatest ever!
Would agree with this. Look at Jang's review of the interior of the fishing store vs parisian restaurant with playability in mind.
@legoleon4888 said:
"Before we go to the semi-finals, why not watch Jang’s reviews on YouTube for each of the sets to refresh your memory and get all the details?
Would agree with this comment about watching Jang's review. Compare the fishing store interior with Parisian restaurant with playability in mind.
Then, ask yourself, what makes a good LEGO set? Isn’t LEGO primarily meant to be a kid’s toy? Shouldn’t it have good play value, with display value as a bonus? Ultimately it should appeal to both young and old, and, being LEGO, should be customisable with only imagination being the limit.
Please remember, this is about the BEST LEGO set of the last 20 years, which isn’t necessarily the same thing as your favourite set. "
Lots of people talking about how great the build of the Saturn V is... but the MF build isn't ? I don't have it, but it doesnt look like it would be a boring build, it has much more details, more colours, and I wouldn't be surprised if some mindblowing building techniques are required. and yeah, the saturn V is very sturdy, but the MF seems to be as well, to be able to stand on a few landing gears.
I love PR, but Ninjago City should really take the win there. Worried it wont because I think a lot of AFOLs may have given it a pass due to the subject matter. PR is great, but in terms of build, playability, even displayability imo, NC takes the cake. While I don't agree with every way the previous votes have gone, an Saturn V vs. Ninjago City finals would be super hard to argue with as one of the greatest LEGO match ups of all time.
@Huw,
Add me to the list to promote the Parisian Restaurant.
Saturn V all the way....
I was lucky enough to get my hands on this marvel just before it retired and despite owning and loving Ninjago City immensely, the Saturn V blows it clean out of the water for me....
This is the most outstandingly innovative Ideas set and if this doesn’t encapsulate the creativity that can be expressed in bricks by the most imaginative fans then I don’t know what does...
For it also to be educational in such an accurate recreation of all the mission stages, in detail that a child can marvel at as they can play with and celebrate arguably one of mankind’s most exciting and significant technological achievements, it really is a giant leap from an idea to a set as fully realised as this.
If that wasn’t enough, the build itself is a mind bending exercise in geometry, so much so that it’s almost a shame that it’s complexity is somewhat hidden by the sheer sleek beauty of the finished rocket. I couldn’t resist adding a fourth nuclear stage to mine, so when it takes off (which it frequently does in our house) it might even reach Mars...
A truly inspirational build.
Hooray Saturn V!
Glad TUG lost by a wide margin. Not even sure how it got to top 8 (or even top 16 for that matter). It's not even top 100 imo. A little surprise MF lost but not a fan of MF anf SV. Could be PR vs SV in the final.
@Fizyx said:
"I love PR, but Ninjago City should really take the win there. Worried it wont because I think a lot of AFOLs may have given it a pass due to the subject matter. PR is great, but in terms of build, playability, even displayability imo, NC takes the cake. While I don't agree with every way the previous votes have gone, an Saturn V vs. Ninjago City finals would be super hard to argue with as one of the greatest LEGO match ups of all time."
NC is great but really Shines with the Harbor set.
These are great builds together and compliment eachother
Surprised by the (heavy) loss of An Unexpected Gathering.
However, glad that the last 4 are non licensed sets.
@Dhooper said:
"I couldn’t resist adding a fourth nuclear stage to mine, so when it takes off (which it frequently does in our house) it might even reach Mars..."
Do you have photos of this fourth stage?
These are all great sets, but I have a feeling Saturn V will take it. And I find it telling that many of the people commenting that "it's just a big tube" or that don't understand what makes it such a great set have admittedly never built the set. I have never been wowed by a build process the way I have the Saturn V, and the fact that that seems to be a common sentiment is telling.
I got the Parisian Restaurant in May '14 right after I finished grad school. And until I built the Assembly Square, it held my title as "best set ever." I actually voted for the PR over AS being as the Restaurant seems to establish a break with the modulars that came before it in terms of detail, building pleasure, techniques, novel part usage - and I know what I'm talking about here as I have and have built all the modulars, unlike the many commentators who don't understand the nuances of a set they've never built and then say that they fail to see the appeal of said set.
Then I worked at a Lego store for 4 years, so I saw most of these sets up-close and in-person, including the 4 semifinalists...built several, played and handled them all, repaired many, set up displays for most, and saw firsthand the strengths and weaknesses of all of them. Fishing Store is a wonderful set, and one I do truly regret not getting. Ninjago City is really, really cool, but whereas the Restaurant and Fishing Store can be appreciated by anyone who is not into Lego, the Ninjago City makes a casual observer, especially a non-Lego fan, say "what the heck is that?" It's also a nightmare to display.
The Saturn V has the rare quality to make people ask "That's Lego???" It's impressive, imposing, somehow not impossible to display, is a stupendous build process, has great playability, came up with new methods for building cylindrical structures that have been repeated several times, and is a great educational tool. However, it is the fact that it has elevated the medium to something beyond just the sum of its parts is what makes it not only the best set of the Millennium, but also on the short list for best sets of all time. If I had to pick the best three sets ever, this would be one without a second thought.
If Ninjago City doesn't win it all, I guess I had fun wasting some time. I don't care about the other three. Hopefully Brickset has more competitions like this in the future!
I think Parisian Restaurant or the Saturn V are most likely going to win but my personal favorite is Ninjago City, it's still the best set I own and at the very least will stay one of the best for a long time to come.
Two of the four sem-finalist are designed by LEGO fans (or at least the ideas of them). Isn't it funny?
@Fauch said:
"Lots of people talking about how great the build of the Saturn V is... but the MF build isn't ? I don't have it, but it doesnt look like it would be a boring build, it has much more details, more colours, and I wouldn't be surprised if some mindblowing building techniques are required. and yeah, the saturn V is very sturdy, but the MF seems to be as well, to be able to stand on a few landing gears."
I think part of the issue is that some people were attacking the Saturn V's build as essentially being just different sizes of cylinders stacked on top of each other when the internal structure of said cylinders is far more innovative and complex than initial appearances might suggest. No one was incorrectly implying that the Falcon had a similarly simplistic build.
I think the Falcon suffers from 1) being from a licensed theme (that essentially replaced LEGO Space) and all of the associations thereof, 2) being only one of multiple LEGO versions of this spacecraft in recent history (and thus somewhat suffering from product saturation - both in LEGO and the larger Star Wars franchise), and 3) a high price tag that put it out of reach of all but the most dedicated collectors.
In addition, the Saturn V has the historical significance of representing one of mankind's greatest achievements. The ability to separate stages and modules also allows for educational recreations of the entire mission from launch, to lunar landing, to splashdown.
Dang, the Old Fishing Store stands no chance honestly.
How? Just how could that bland cylinder have defeated the most detailed lego set ever made. Baffled.
@AJ_Walls_34 said:
"How? Just how could that bland cylinder have defeated the most detailed lego set ever made. Baffled.
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You haven't built it, have you?
I'll say it again, we need more time to vote! I'm glad I looked at the site late on Sunday night or I'd have missed voting on this (like I have for some previous rounds).
24 hours is surely plenty of time for everyone. We don't want it dragging on forever...
so hard ...
must rebuild parisian restaurant soon ... i did that after a wisdom tooth extraction to distract myself, and i can't quite remember it was actually an extraordinary or just very good build. guess it's the first?
ninjago city is incredible – the only thing i don't like here is that it would send lego the message "ninjago is better than creator - even fans confirm it!"
old fishing store was my first "afol set" besides technic and my entry into ideas / creator / ... looks i hit absolute gold there, both the outside and the inside are just incredible.
well and saturn v ... it's an absolutely great build and an incredible display - and my 6 year old loves it so much that he built it twice all alone (parts pre-sorted for him), so it's an emotional component involved there.
oh aaaaaand: disney is out of the race now, so this complete voting thing is personal party for me already.
@AJ_Walls_34 said:
"How? Just how could that bland cylinder have defeated the most detailed lego set ever made. Baffled.
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You clearly haven’t read any of the prior comments and have failed to understand the appeal of the set. I assure you, if it was indeed just tubes stacked on top of each other it never would have made it this far into the competition. Let’s all try to be less ignorant moving forward.
Really expected MF to win, and thought I was voting for an underdog with the Saturn V! Out of the 16 sets, I own a few, but I do not own the Saturn V, and that's the one I'm most upset about missing out on. Most people seem to think that it will beat the Fishing Store, but I don't know whether people will vote for build experience or aesthetics. Saturn V makes an incredible display piece is all I will say on the matter!
Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why.
Oh, this is getting interesting. I own all four of the remaining sets. But I have built none of them. Makes voting a whole lot more complicated. I guess I might just rather not vote since I have little to decide on...
@Yellow said:
"Two of the four sem-finalist are designed by LEGO fans (or at least the ideas of them). Isn't it funny?"
I mean... kinda. Old Fishing Store is very similar to the original Ideas submission, but the Saturn V is a complete redesign.
Really the only thing the versions of that have in common is the idea of a Saturn V model at about 1:110 scale, and a few of the same parts resulting from that (e.g. the payload fairing or Command Module). The final set is FAR more complicated in its construction, more accurate in its shape, almost certainly a lot sturdier.
Bummer, the Unexpected Gathering was the best thing that came out of the Hobbit movies. Elegant, reasonable price. Mind you two major flaws, tree on top needs to be much bigger and needed more hobbits!
I see the path to victory for Ninjago City (too busy for my taste). I'm a Detective Office guy.... pool table!. I does give hope for home grown Lego IP though, I liked first gen Exo-Force, Ninjago was a great surprise, Monkey Kid? Not sure yet, some of the sets are intriguing (I'm in the middle of a move from Canada to NZ, so all purchases on hold). A Exo-Force crossover with Ninjago would be cool, not just the usual Ninjago mechs but actual crossover.
By the numbers. Amazed how Ninjago City has progressed so far through the rounds. Must be a lot of fans out there.
Parisian Restaurant 23888 own / 6638 want
Apollo Saturn 17712 own / 3187 want
Old Fishing Store 11337 own / 4541 want
Ninjago City 7735 own / 3782 want
Come on Ninjago City, you can do this.
@axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
It's not quite hate, as there are tons of fans, as indicated by the ton of content coming out and the large number of articles on here about it. But for me, it's brand fatigue. I'm sick of them rehashing the same vehicles, I'm sick of them milking this series like it's the only one out there. The Millennium Falcon is just a big grey thing, same for most of the large scale Star Wars sets. Compare that with the super vibrant Parisian Restaurant, which got maaaany people into the modular line for how amazing it is both inside and outside, and there's no contest. And I'm not mentioning the price tax on SW sets and other licensed products...
So yeah, you get those couple of licensed sets that require interest in the license to fully appreciate the set, or those Lego originals that anybody can fully enjoy by just liking Lego... At least I can see why there's a difference in a context like this. And I say that as someone who likes army building with the smaller SW battle packs, while never seeing myself spend so much money on the bigger SW sets.
@axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
Way too rehashed at this point (how many Luke’s speeder do we have?) Only thing that interest me about Star Wars is the Ultimate Collectors’ sets nowadays.
It’s getting tighter, but Parisian for President!
4 sets on the illustred picture, only one is correct : the PR.....!
Faireground, StarWars and the new Barracuda remake are eliminated
For semi-finals, no licence (or perhaps Saturn V with NASA) and 3 modulars-like.
When this began, I had three of the 16 sets. In the semi-finals I still have three sets. I'm sure I will have the two sets of the final! I really never thought any of my three sets would make it to the final. I'm really astounded so far ... and, I'm pretty sure, I have the winner in my collection! ;-)
I own all four however I nominated only one. Lets go Ninjago city!
@axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
There haven't been that much in-house Space themes during the 21 years of LEGO Star Wars, with the last 6 years only basicly seeing LEGO Movie 1+2.
Seeing an X-wing or Falcon every 1-2 years isn't that interesting.
I came back to LEGO in 2016, and beside LEGO Movie 2 and some City designs , both in 2019, there haven't been many "fantasy" Spaceship sets.
Benny's Space Squad was very popular, even made it in the best set list here recently, just not enough to get to the voting phase.
@axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
Some people are not huge fans of the Star Wars franchise and/or are not fans of licensed themes in general due to the price mark-up, restricted set models, or various other reasons.
75192 Millennium Falcon is a huge, detailed, iconic ship. However:
https://brickset.com/sets/4504-1/Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/7190-1/Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/7965-1/Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/10179-1/Ultimate-Collector-s-Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/75105-1/Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/75192-1/Millennium-Falcon
https://brickset.com/sets/75257-1/Millennium-Falcon
This is the list of large Falcons available from 2000 to 2019 and does not include the Solo 75212 (arguably different enough in appearance) or any of the numerous mini/midi builds.
Model fatigue (not to mention possibly brand fatigue with Star Wars being more prevalent than every before - with the Falcon often present) is definitely a factor here. Yes, 75192 is one of the largest and most detailed LEGO sets ever released. However, its impact is somewhat diminished when you consider that it is just one of numerous other Falcon sets released in the past 20 years (it isn't even the first UCS Falcon)!
I also feel that its super premium price point means that fewer people have had the opportunity to own and build the set, which generally has an effect on how much one ends up liking a particular set.
The Falcon didn't make it...?
/regains faith in humanity
:D
@axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
All of what the others have said.
I am a huge Star Wars fan (well, original trilogy and prequels that is, don't care about anything from the franchise since, especially since the Disney takeover as I really hate the corporate entity Disney and its output of recent years guts), but LEGO Star Wars imho has run its course and is an annoyance to see taking up so much space (pun not intended) in the catalogue. Just like all the other licenced themes of which LEGO does way too many for my liking.
Isn't it telling that the four semi finalists are either fan designs or from LEGOs own product lines?
Sometimes licenced themes yield great sets, but I'll take a non-IP theme like Castle, Western, Pirates, Space, Trains or Town (in the old sense without named characters) over IP based ones any day.
Yes! Disney Wars is out of the race! I would have totally voted for 10179 over the Saturn V, even though I know the updated version improved on several design flaws. The problem is, the new version has a Porg infestation. And garbage characters. And that rectangular growth that was never shown in any of the six Star Wars movies. Ironically, while I did vote for three of the four semi-finalists in the first round, Saturn V was the only one that I actually wanted to see advance.
@Rob42:
A few years ago, I was at Brickworld Chicago, and one of my fellow LUG members was looking at this tiny, fairly non-descript boat, and asked how it had managed to get a nomination for Best Sea Craft. I pointed out that it had a brick-built hull, and how hard it would be to achieve those realistic curves. I got to see the moment of realization kick in. I've also designed (but not yet built) the lighthouse from my hometown, and I knew in advance how I was going to transition from one diameter to the next...only to very quickly find out that the geometry was completely incompatible, and I ended up having to design the next section from the outside in (fortunately, that's a process that I'm quite familiar with, as I design cars that way).
There are a lot of things that you can do with the bricks that look super simple in presentation, but are insanely complex when you get a peek inside. One of my favorite ways to blow peoples' minds when we're doing a display is to show them my ~300pc box truck. It's a 6-wide cab with an 8-wide cargo box and what appears to be a roll-up door in the back. I can easily pop the roof of the cargo box off and show that the roll-up door uses 78pcs and is about an inch thick. But it looks _so_ simple from the outside!
At the end of the day, I wish an Ideas set to win this competition. Power to the PEOPLE!
@AustinPowers said:
" @axiom4t2 said:
"Honest question. Why exactly do so many people have issues with Lego Star Wars? It seems like it is truly hated by several people here and I'm just curious as to why."
All of what the others have said.
I am a huge Star Wars fan (well, original trilogy and prequels that is, don't care about anything from the franchise since, especially since the Disney takeover as I really hate the corporate entity Disney and its output of recent years guts), but LEGO Star Wars imho has run its course and is an annoyance to see taking up so much space (pun not intended) in the catalogue. Just like all the other licenced themes of which LEGO does way too many for my liking.
Isn't it telling that the four semi finalists are either fan designs or from LEGOs own product lines?
Sometimes licenced themes yield great sets, but I'll take a non-IP theme like Castle, Western, Pirates, Space, Trains or Town (in the old sense without named characters) over IP based ones any day. "
This.....sums up my thoughts. Agree with every word said here.
People saying that saturn 5 is something magical inside... I've looked at the build it's not anything special compared to the other sets. Yet it keeps getting touted as some sort of blow your mind build that surpasses all other aspects that make a great lego set.... I would much rather build all the other sets...
@LofElle said:
"People saying that saturn 5 is something magical inside... I've looked at the build it's not anything special compared to the other sets. Yet it keeps getting touted as some sort of blow your mind build that surpasses all other aspects that make a great lego set.... I would much rather build all the other sets... "
But have you a actually built it? Building it and seeing how everything comes together would likely change your mind.
@kfr said:
"Oh, this is getting interesting. I own all four of the remaining sets. But I have built none of them. Makes voting a whole lot more complicated. I guess I might just rather not vote since I have little to decide on..."
A couple of all-nighters and you could get them done!
Pleasantly surprised that I own all 4 of this round (and none of the 4 that were eliminated) - does that mean I have excellent taste? :)
Actually I'm surprised that all the sets are relatively recent, I was expecting medieval market village to get further on nostalgia. But any of the 4 is a worthy winner in my opinion, seems like the Saturn V is favorite although I'd personally rank it weaker than ninjago city or the restaurant......
So 10243 will win? This results are a bit surprising for me.
So 3 modular buildings made it through and a rocket ship. Saturn V will win.
I am hoping that the fishing shack will beat the Saturn v but I don't think anyone can beat the passion of the space enthusiasts in the AFOL community. Whoever wins out of the ideas sets is also likely to win overall.
Still think the treehouse is the best ideas set to date, we will sadly never see another large tree in a Lego set again :(. If it ever comes back in stock I am buying at least 10.
@Darth_Dee said:
" @kfr said:
"Oh, this is getting interesting. I own all four of the remaining sets. But I have built none of them. Makes voting a whole lot more complicated. I guess I might just rather not vote since I have little to decide on..."
A couple of all-nighters and you could get them done!"
True, but I am about 1500km away from my Lego right now ;)
Suddenly a thought came to my mind... Maybe we shouldn't include Ideas set into the competition, if we include Ideas set, there are so many MOCs out there which are even more interesting than what is produced by Lego officially. So if we do not include Ideas set we will come to the final: Parisian Restaurant vs Ninjago City. Haha, sorry for the babbling...
Having built Ninjago City, Saturn V, Parisian Restaurant, Fishing Store and Saturn V again...only one has been built twice and remains built.
Saturn V for the win. Does anyone who says it’s a white cylinder actually think this having built the actual set?? (Not looked at a pdf but actually built it!)
@Edemontes said:
"Having built Ninjago City, Saturn V, Parisian Restaurant, Fishing Store and Saturn V again...only one has been built twice and remains built.
Saturn V for the win. Does anyone who says it’s a white cylinder actually think this having built the actual set?? (Not looked at a pdf but actually built it!)"
I haven't built it personally, and I must say it looks impressive on the inside. The engineering of it is impressive. That being said, I believe that Ninjago City is a better set. LEGO was invented for children, and of the 4 sets it's the most suitable for all people. A child won't get much out of the Saturn V, whereas they'd love the City. Also, in terms of display, I'd actually say that the SV is the worst of the 4 sets. It's still good, but the nature of it makes it a bit bland to look at, and, as mentioned earlier, I don't think it's great for play either.
Perhaps slightly off topic, but I read that the next Creator Expert landmark building was Roman Colosseum being released in November. This was posted in the comments section of Osprey article. Can anyone validate this? Is this rumour or known fact.
Thankbypu
@Island_Lego said:
"Perhaps slightly off topic, but I read that the next Creator Expert landmark building was Roman Colosseum being released in November. This was posted in the comments section of Osprey article. Can anyone validate this? Is this rumour or known fact.
Thankbypu"
Would be ironic if it turns out to be true as Wange has already made a set of the Colosseum and they usually have offered sets that LEGO did before (Big Ben, Arc de Triomphe, Brandenburg Gate, Flatiron Building, Empire State etc.) but this time it would be the other way round.
It would be interesting to do this competition by price point.
@LofElle said:
"I'm really confused why the saturn 5 is winning... to me its the worst set out of all the original ones in this. it just doesn't inspire or look awesome at all. its a white cylinder... I guess maybe cause its recent and very cheap when it was out. The finally really should be ninjago city vs the millennium falcon if this is the best set of the last 20 years.... it really seems to be more of what people own... i dont see the saturn 5 really talked about... but the other 2 i here people saying they want or are awesome or doing new things with it... am i really missing what this is about?"
I think a lot of non-SW non-rocket fans, like me, preferred to see a real competition rather than a sure winner and voted strategically
@Darth_Dee said:
"It would be interesting to do this competition by price point. "
I also think doing a competition by price range would be fun. Comparing a under $100 set to a $700 set seems unfair. The details, amount of special pieces, printed pieces and mini figures available at the higher price point overwhelm the offerings of a less expensive set.
Now..... where does the piano place?
I'm guessing NINJAGO City Vs Old Fishing Store in the finals
How anyone can vote for 21309 NASA Apollo Saturn V is beyond me...
It must be the most overrated and boring lego set ever....
@Phoenixio said:
"I'm quite happy that nothing Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, or any other brand for that matter, made it to this point. Those remaining are fantastic sets that came mostly without any licensing deals (well, maybe the NASA one).
It's a heartbreaking bout again between the Parisian Restaurant and Ninjago City: this should have been the finale. Hoping for the Parisian Restaurant to get through, but it's definitely a tough fight!"
These current two votes are really tough and almost a coin-toss for me. Also glad to see no licensed stuff made it into the finals, although if any had, I think the MF deserved it because of its scale.