"Gringot Ts Bank" - that is some rough sticker placement :D

A suitably magically looking set though! Only aspect that irks me is the section immediately under the dome looks a bit plain/uninspired.

That leveling is certainly impressive! Now can they do this with an actually great Jabba's Palace build?

Woah. I was not expecting that but it looks insane. I'm expecting a lot of varying opinions though, as it's not immediately compatible with Diagon Alley. Price is very high, but it's less than 10p/piece which is good these days. I love the dragon though.

And they can't make a more realistic cloud city because.....

@Vilhelm22 said:
"I'm expecting a lot of varying opinions though, as it's not immediately compatible with Diagon Alley."

It is, you just have to lift the base plate off of the stand and place Diagon Alley on both of it's sides.

Half this set is good. Half is completely unnecessary.
This should have been a 200€ set with just the bank. The rest is just there to justify the ridiculous price tag. Which will hinder sales that would have otherwise happen.

But I'm glad they threw all the stability tests out of the window to have a baseplate-built set on top of a glorified brick-built pedestal.

I'll get it because I buy all the Harry Potter sets...but I will not get it on day one. Nor from LEGO directly. I rather wait for Amazon or Fnac to get it and lower the price.

And here I'm just going to have to be content with my tiny Gringott's from the 2021 Advent Calendar.

So basically, there are now two main tiers of System-scale Harry Potter:

1. A modular Hogwarts that you can build over time in varying degrees of affordability.
2. An adult collector's Diagon Alley for collectors with disposable income.

Literally, poor kids go to Hogwarts and rich kids go to Diagon.

(Although, yes, we now have an affordable scaled-down Honeydukes.)

Looks pretty impressive! Expensive to be sure, but "only" 30 euros more than Lion Knights' Castle, and thankfully still less than the other three giant Harry Potter sets. I was fearing it would be 500, just like the Hogwarts Express...

That's seriously impressive if it is stable, the Harry Potter team have some seriously good designers and it's one theme that hasn't had mechs yet!

I normally like what the Harry Potter sets turn out, even if I don't intend to buy them, but this is genuinely baffling to me. I would not want this anywhere near kids or pets. I would probably buy the top half, and put it with my diagon alley, cause it looks like a fun build. But no way I am spending over 400 to have that base that would just go into my parts bins. Rare miss for me.

@benbuildslego said:
""Gringot Ts Bank" - that is some rough sticker placement :D "

True, you could cut the stickers and place them closer together, tho.

@Vilhelm22 said:
"Woah. I was not expecting that but it looks insane. I'm expecting a lot of varying opinions though, as it's not immediately compatible with Diagon Alley. Price is very high, but it's less than 10p/piece which is good these days. I love the dragon though. "

The back of the box says it’s compatible with Diagon Alley.

Wow, very impressive.

Though at the risk of posting a spoiler for the review.

Stickers ... arrrgghhhh.
Price ... arrrgghhh.

I congratulate the designer here. I can see how they've engineered the base for strength, but it's impressive to do so within the constrains of an official set with sufficient surety that it doesn't break or the top doesn't fall off and smash to bits. Must have been tested to hell.

The price is far, far too high, even given price per piece ratio. Each of the Diagon Alley buildings averaged out to about $112, and even assuming that Gringotts is worth $200 with the "screw you" LEGO inflation and higher piece count, no way the cave and dragon are worth $230 as well. This looks like a $250 set max, especially with how shallow it is.

It looks wobbly as hell :O

There would be an equal amount of complaining if it had NOT been included. It's an integral part of the bank.

I’m no fan of Harry Potter Lego but that’s an amazing looking building

Not that bad: I really like its integration into Diagon Alley without compensating on a fairly unique idea. Unfortunately, I don't think that it looks that good with the catacombs: the top part is a little oversized compared to what is underneath. Both look fine on their own, but as a display piece, releasing two seperate (and more affordable) sets might have benefitted this.

Not that I'm going to buy this anyway.

@MegaBlocks said:
"That's seriously impressive if it is stable, the Harry Potter team have some seriously good designers and it's one theme that hasn't had mechs yet!"

It’s only a matter of time… but we could interpret 76393 as the first two…

"…with Warner Bros. Discovery Global Consumer Products." Blech!

That aside, i'm REALLY impressed by this set. Super unique and dynamic design with no fat to trim like the Batcave shadow box. I might actually go for this. Plus, I do love some Sorcerer's Stone fun!

@natro220 said:
" @darthnorman said:
" @benbuildslego said:
""Gringot Ts Bank" - that is some rough sticker placement :D "

True, you could cut the stickers and place them closer together, tho.

"

Probably not without doing some STAMP (stickers across multiple pieces).
"

The stickers appear to be placed on two 2x4 curved slopes. No STAMPing necessary.

@Vilhelm22 said:
"Woah. I was not expecting that but it looks insane. I'm expecting a lot of varying opinions though, as it's not immediately compatible with Diagon Alley. Price is very high, but it's less than 10p/piece which is good these days. I love the dragon though. "

Second photo literally says compatible with 75978.

Interesting, I love the extra $150 in grey bricks they have included with the model.

They shoulda done the batcave like this with Wayne manor on top instead of just in a shoebox

I really like the bottom. But for me that top is poor. Inside the bank is utterly pointless at that size and that sticker is just beyond shocking. Easy pass for me

Is this the first time Lego has used a baseplate above the ground level?

I wonder if they could’ve made it two sets, bank and base.

That baseplate support is fantastic, never thought they’d do that in a real set. Love the concept. Won’t get the set because I’m broke but I love what they did here

Impressive!

But it’s also oddly stressing to look at. I don’t want to imagine what would happen if you accidentally bumped the table or shelf!

@oukexergon said:
"That leveling is certainly impressive! Now can they do this with an actually great Jabba's Palace build?"

Perhaps this is why the rumoured Jabba's Throne Diorama got postponed...to be released in conjunction with a Rancor Pit Diorama :)

@MegaBlocks said:
"That's seriously impressive if it is stable, the Harry Potter team have some seriously good designers and it's one theme that hasn't had mechs yet!"

Please don't give them ideas.

For a more formal Wizard Banking experience, I prefer Gringot TS Bank

I'm going to be in the minority that loves the top and bottom and think they look awesome together.

I love that the vault has actually been incorporated into this and the dragon finally is having his day. The improbable stability of it all and looking like a sneeze should knock it down makes it all the better. I mean it's magic, right? It's fine. The waterfall area could use some personalized improvements but overall this is brilliant.

This is well worth the risk of my kids inevitably and inadvertently destroying it.

It's very much out of my price range, but it looks fantastic! I love how they were able to marry the dollhouse-like charm of the previous Diagon Alley set to the more complex techniques of the underground mine cart system.

The minifigure selection is pretty impressive too--I love the printing on Hermione/Bellatrix's dress, and I am keeping my fingers crossed that the death eater (or a similar figure) shows up in something more affordable!

Horrendous price-to-outcome value — a truly satisfying Fox and Grapes moment that I skipped the Diagon Alley set.

Stunning!

Conceptually, I quite like it, but the main building is a little underwhelming to me. It’s almost between what I’d expect from a regular set vs a “modular”. I was never going to get this regardless, but seems like an ambitious idea that just missed the mark to me.

Is this the first official Lego set where something has been built under one of the classic baseplates?

That Gringotts' sticker is a HUGE DESIGN MISTAKE, more so for such a price!!!

Seems there’s a lot of division between people who only like the top half and people who only like the bottom half. You guys should buy one copy between you and split it up with the bit you want. Divvying up the minifigs might get a bit trickier though

Where are the love and heart emojis on this website. I wanna love and heart it

I would much rather only Having the entrance (ground- level) and then maybe have the vaults as an expansion set.

The White bank building looks too small. The pillars ahould consist of round bricks stacked on top.

The dragon looks less than okay. The feet are too bulky. I hope someone has a solution for that. This is after all a "UCS"-set so detail is more important than play-value.

Hm, I don't know about this but since my girlfriend owns the diagon alley, she has asked for this set for a time now.

Now that's spectacular.

I think I'm in love.

Personally I think it’s a great model!

@Trekker said:
"Hmm, I'm intrigued. There's a connecting pin below the track at the bottom - what does that connect to? I was thinking maybe the bank itself to display side-by-side but that would be awkward.

Also, can't wait until someone combines it with the two main coaster sets."

There's supposed to be a Gringotts vault GWP when this is released. That's probably what the pin's for.

@Jackthenipper said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"That's seriously impressive if it is stable, the Harry Potter team have some seriously good designers and it's one theme that hasn't had mechs yet!"

It’s only a matter of time… but we could interpret 76393 as the first two…
"

I think it is the first official inverted corner building too!

@SuperSlacker said:
"Is this the first official Lego set where something has been built under one of the classic baseplates? "

That's a good question! Would highly doubt it's been done, since the design of the baseplates has always been to be, well, the base! If anything, it would have been done with a tiny baseplate, but I can't think of an example.

@CapnRex101 said:
"Regarding the 'Gringotts Bank' stickers above the entrance, I expect the gap between the Ts can be minimised by applying the stickers as close together as possible. Stickers are always applied centrally in official images and renders, hence the gap here.

@picdo01 said:
"And they can't make a more realistic cloud city because....."

There is a huge difference between a model which stands on a large base that narrows to a relatively substantial column and Cloud City, which would need to stand on an exceptionally narrow column and have no base at the bottom, for complete accuracy. Even if the base was disguised as clouds, I think the column would be impractically narrow."

Possibly but you can argue that a "cloud like" base, not just a disguise, would offer greater stability to the top heavy section required to build out what we're all asking for as fans than what you see in this model. Also, the Death Star models weren't exactly sitting on a solid foundation themselves and felt like they could "roll away" at any time, plus they had 4 levels which this wouldn't need to be (lower center of gravity.) No doubt there are engineering ways to counter/center balance to create stability especially with how strong technic parts become when married together correctly. They've certainly done it with this model it seems. Where there's a will, there's a way......

A lot of change since the 2002 4714
It´s awesome but a little expensive and hard to display
The dragon has some clips on his back so I wonder if it could carry some minifig.

The exterior of the bank is great, the interior and lower section are less so. Dragon is a nice addition, but feels a bit "Ninjago" if that makes sense. Curious to read the PDF instructions to see how they stabled it.

All in all, not a bad set with pricing being "regular expensive" and not "crazy expensive". Not for me, but Potter heads should be happy with it (if they have a place to display it).

For that price range, "Diagon Alley" is still the better one of these two.

Oh wow. This is really amazing. I love the curved track, waterfall, the dragon, the chandelier, the chocolate frog. Beautiful set.I love HP, but I don’t seriously collect sets from this LEGO theme. I gotta share this with my brother—he’s gonna go nuts.

My solution for Mail Owls looks better, but it probably wouldn’t pass muster with the Design Department. It also really only looks right if the owls are flying away from your POV, because the letters always have to face backwards.

@djcbs:
The baseplate is nested at the corners, so it won’t slide off, or even out of position. The “pedestal” probably has a Technic core to keep it from collapsing or tipping. I don’t really see any stability issues, as long as they didn’t slip a stack of weight bricks into the dome up top. Dragons are lighter than air, or they wouldn’t be able to fly.

@Jdrewg:
It wouldn’t shock me if people started to complain about not being able to find things to complain about. We used to have a driver like that at work.

@mrzeon:
@SuperSlacker:
It’s the first I’m aware of, but in this case it’s necessary to allow Gringott’s to connect to the other Diagon Alley buildings. Anyways, it’s an interesting geometry trick, but if you stack a baseplate on top of a plate, the result is effectively the same height as two stacked plates. I’ve built a raised baseplate into a pedestal built on top of a 48x48 baseplate using this trick.

Three years after the Diagon Alley set and I'd never have guessed that this is what the conspicuously absent Gringotts would be. It's a completely ingenious model design, fully compatible with the other set and including all of the critical elements of this location from the first and final movies. Well done

@oukexergon said:
" @SuperSlacker said:
"Is this the first official Lego set where something has been built under one of the classic baseplates? "

That's a good question! Would highly doubt it's been done, since the design of the baseplates has always been to be, well, the base! If anything, it would have been done with a tiny baseplate, but I can't think of an example."

I can only think of two examples of baseplates above bricks or plates.

The first is set 3548 Snowboard Border Cross Race having braces underneath a suspended baseplate. In that case it's actually a tiny plate under a (giant) baseplate!
They are most visible in this image: https://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=808588
They're on the sides, connected with technic 3L liftarms. That set is insane btw.

A second, more clear-cut case is the glorious 852293 Castle Giant Chess Set. That one is built on a baseplate. On that you put supports... to rest another baseplate!
https://brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=338744

I like it, but I wish there would be more smaller adult sets. It's just too large for me unfortunately.

Absolutely not. Horrible set and extremely disappointing LEGO still continues to make more Harry Potter sets.

One day the Temple Of Doom designer team got an urgent memo, brief and a new range of bricks…

Deep inside the central column they secretly placed the original beating heart. Sniff, sob!

@Shade said:
"Absolutely not. Horrible set and extremely disappointing LEGO still continues to make more Harry Potter sets. "

Let me guess, the only good sets are Space, Castle, and Pirates?

Everyone was having a nice discussion over the unique design of this set (and the usual outrage over stickers) and then some people decide to turn the thread all political. Now I understand the reason why a "hide comments" feature was added.

From looking at the set, the flat base isn't actually connected to the underneath element just sits on top of tiles.

I'm not that much a fan of Harry Potter that I would ever buy this, but for most part I think this looks absolutely fantastic. In most part exactly because they didn't just do a regular building, but also did the underground vault. It makes it a fantastic display piece, and I surely can't be the only one who likes sets with a not too big footprint compared to their overall size?

But one thing I just can't wrap my head around are, again, the stickers. Let's be real: This is a very expensive set, aimed at collectors willing to pay their hard earned cash on some toy. Why can't Lego offer them the quality to match that price point? I mean, even the worst penny-pincher at TLG must feel some pain when seeing that GRINGOT                     TS sign, right? If only Lego would learn a lesson or two from Cobi, or even some of the Chinese clone brands....

Oh, and I don't like JK Rowling one bit, but I rather separate the art from the artist. And this site just isn't the place for that discussion.

@CapnRex101 said:
"(...)
I am going to leave the comments already published relating to JK Rowling's beliefs intact, but any further will be deleted. I am not seeking to downplay the issue, but on a practical basis, Brickset is focused on LEGO and bringing more controversial topics into the conversation inevitably takes the comments in a different direction, which is likely to result in closing the comments altogether."
Fair enough.

...but you didn't leave them intact.

@picdo01 said:
" @monkyby87 said:
" @picdo01 said:
" @CapnRex101 said:
"Regarding the 'Gringotts Bank' stickers above the entrance, I expect the gap between the Ts can be minimised by applying the stickers as close together as possible. Stickers are always applied centrally in official images and renders, hence the gap here.

@picdo01 said:
"And they can't make a more realistic cloud city because....."

There is a huge difference between a model which stands on a large base that narrows to a relatively substantial column and Cloud City, which would need to stand on an exceptionally narrow column and have no base at the bottom, for complete accuracy. Even if the base was disguised as clouds, I think the column would be impractically narrow."

Possibly but you can argue that a "cloud like" base, not just a disguise, would offer greater stability to the top heavy section required to build out what we're all asking for as fans than what you see in this model. Also, the Death Star models weren't exactly sitting on a solid foundation themselves and felt like they could "roll away" at any time, plus they had 4 levels which this wouldn't need to be (lower center of gravity.) No doubt there are engineering ways to counter/center balance to create stability especially with how strong technic parts become when married together correctly. They've certainly done it with this model it seems. Where there's a will, there's a way......"

Do you have the Death Star models? Because not once did I ever feel like it was going to roll away. You literally would have to push it to get it to roll over. Their bottoms are flat, it can’t roll away.

As for Cloud City, you seem to be ignoring the center spire that the city rests on. It would have to be impractically wide to support the city, and the shape would look off. You’re welcome to try on your own though and see how it turns out. "

Yes, I have both editions of the Death Star along with the UCS Version as well so my reference to it is accurate, especially having a 7-8 year old child when 10188 was first released who played with it all the time. Of course the base is flat but it's a small base for the overall size of the model just to create the sphere like appearance. It was by no means a highly stable piece as a play set which it was also designed to be.

And of course you wouldn't create the full spire but just a portion of it as a hint it exists or just create a UCS like stand for it. There isn't a Lego SW Fan that would say no to that. Renderings/MOC's already exist for this approach as well as an article on Brickfanatics about how the latest release can be modified. I'd suggest you do some research before you comment next time.
"
Don’t be rude. No research is needed. Nothing I said was wrong or inaccurate. The Death Star playsets are perfectly stable. There’s no rolling over about them. As for cloud city, you could make a bit of a spire underneath, but to what end? Just to hint that it’s there?

I know there are MOC’s/renderings out there, but if you wanted something actual stable that wouldn’t fall over, those won’t work. And they would never work with Lego’s standards for stability and structure.

Don’t tell me I need to do more research before.

I find the way Brickset staff saying they will leave up the comments only to delete them very disturbing. You’ve removed all discourse and yet say you understand the political nature of the situation. Have you ever done this before? I don’t recall completely silencing people about temple of doom or overwatch 2, this feels intentional. I hope Brickset can be a welcoming space for everyone, you guys gotta make this right.

I've been staring at that name-sticker for an hour, trans-fixed by the level of incompetence that makes me wanna buy it even more.

@Emmafofemma said:
"I find the way Brickset staff saying they will leave up the comments only to delete them very disturbing. You’ve removed all discourse and yet say you understand the political nature of the situation. Have you ever done this before? I don’t recall completely silencing people about temple of doom or overwatch 2, this feels intentional. I hope Brickset can be a welcoming space for everyone, you guys gotta make this right. "

Most people only care about the set or the franchise and don’t give two cents about the other. If you wanna argue about that, go to Twitter.

^No thanks, I don’t use that platform. I’d rather discuss all aspects of Lego here. Not that I even made a stance, only pointing out a problem with how the comments are being handled.

'Goblin Bankers', huh? Lego will ignore just about anything if it's lucrative enough now, I guess

This does look excellent. I wasn't interested in Diagon Alley so I don't really care about compatibility with that. For me it's more of a display piece, like Hogwarts Icons.
But 76419 Hogwarts Castle and Grounds is definitely my next Harry Potter purchase and I still really want the 76405 Hogwarts Express Collectors Edition, so hopefully this will be available for quite a while!

@Huw, I’ve been here over a decade and have witnessed sexism allowed, homophobia, thinly veiled racism, but this is where you draw the line?

Such a bastion of inclusivity. Ban my comment, whatever, but you should reconsider reinstating those comments or allowing further discussion in this comment thread. I will continue to hope Brickset can be a space for all people, and I stand by that.

Just auto-lock commenting on all HP posts, it's hopeless at this point.

@MegaLucario said:
"'Goblin Bankers', huh? Lego will ignore just about anything if it's lucrative enough now, I guess"

...

Did we NOT just have this conversation disrupted by a lengthy diversion on authorial views and politics and how people just want to talk Lego?