BDP9: Solomon's Temple
Posted by Huw,Ahead of crowd support for BrickLink Designer Program series 9 next week, here's another article written by a Brickset member about their submission.
Modeltrainman has modelled an ancient building, referring to Biblical records for inspiration.
The Inspiration
I have long enjoyed Biblical history, and would one day love to visit Jerusalem.
Earlier this year, I was reading the records of Solomon building the temple in 1st Kings and 2 Chronicles. I wondered if I could build an accurate model based on the Biblical record.
I reached out to the BDP team after the closing of BDP8 submissions and asked if they thought it would be viable for a future series. They said to go for it. I figured since Notre Dame was a set it’d be OK. I also drew inspiration from artists’ renderings such as Thomas Newbury’s model, Take a Peek Inside an Ancient Temple! - The Metropolitan Museum of Art and pictures like 10 Facts About Solomon's Temple - Have Fun With History
The build
This might surprise readers. But I’ve never actually built a LEGO Architecture set. I’ve always wanted to try one, but they’ve thus far been too expensive. I think Notre Dame looks neat, but out of my range.
My favourite part usage was that for the stairs, I used 4250465: TOOTHED BAR M=1, Z=10 as the stairs, and used 4225201: PLATE 1X2 W. STICK 3.18 along with design 60470t to angle them neatly.
On such a small scale, they make wonderful stairs! I also made it so the temple roof can be lifted off to view the inside.
The carts with the lavers are wheeled using LEGO parts 6099514: MINI ROLLER SKATE | Brickset . I’m always amazed at how a part meant for one thing can have so many uses. [image solomonstemplebdp9stairs]
The Sea (the big basin used for the priests’ cleansing) was actually mostly built upside down!
Feel free to leave any feedback in the comments. I hope you’ll consider voting for my model in Series 9 from Monday.
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I'm surprised LEGO let this in - This is a ancient temple to an existing religion - first foremost and only, whereas Notre Dame is an architectural marvel that happens to be a church. These two things are not the same: It's a bit like saying Mega Bloks and LEGO are the same company, just because they're both brick-based toy makers, which is obviously wholly untrue. (also, the Jewish people might take offense at making copies of what was once their temple and selling them for a profit!)
I'm wondering if this will even make it to voting, honestly. No offense to modeltrainman - it's a nice MOC - but doesn't appear to fit the Lego brand IMO.
This has to be one of the most boring designs I've seen in a long time
Please, don't comment unless you have something constructive to say. [Edited]
Very cool build! I love the history and research behind this model!
@Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
I sincerely hope my comment wasn't considered negative - I labored long and hard on what I was trying to say without seeming rude. If it is, I'll gladly remove it - but I genuinely believe what I was trying to say is accurate.
odd
Made me realise that there are no churches or temples in Lego City, which is an excellent thing because children should play without minding religion differences.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
I sincerely hope my comment wasn't considered negative - I labored long and hard on what I was trying to say without seeming rude. If it is, I'll gladly remove it - but I genuinely believe what I was trying to say is accurate."
Yours is fine.
Honestly I’ve wanted Biblical based Lego sets for a while, and architecture is a genius way to start. Amazing design!
@Murdoch17 said:
"I'm surprised LEGO let this in - This is a ancient temple to an existing religion - first foremost and only, whereas Notre Dame is an architectural marvel that happens to be a church. These two things are not the same: It's a bit like saying Mega Bloks and LEGO are the same company, just because they're both brick-based toy makers, which is obviously wholly untrue. (also, the Jewish people might take offense at making copies of what was once their temple and selling them for a profit!)
I'm wondering if this will even make it to voting, honestly. No offense to modeltrainman - it's a nice MOC - but doesn't appear to fit the Lego brand IMO."
I’m Jewish, and while I don’t represent all Jews, this set looks awesome and I will definitely buy…
I appreciate the thought and effort that went into this build, and I suppose it is appropriate for BDP as a niche subject outside the core portfolio, but I'm afraid this one will be "Not For Me". Thanks for posting, though!
I have been a huge history buff since childhood, so stuff like this is right up my alley.
I would love an entire series of sets of ancient buildings, temple or otherwise. There are so many interesting and varied designs with fascinating history.
@Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
So we aren't allowed to even point out if the MOC is inaccurate or simply not that well made?
@Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
I feel comments on LEGO models have no need to be incendiary or cruel in order to express negativity or disinterest, but what is the purpose of a public forum that asks for only one mode of opinions? There's a difference between being critical and being a jerk about it, and the former should be allowed.
@Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
That's a bit weird, and I hope that's not how you conduct your official reviews for sets Lego sends. There's a difference between asking for constructive criticism instead of generic negative feedback and asking to only praise a set.
@Murdoch17 said:
"I'm surprised LEGO let this in - This is a ancient temple to an existing religion - first foremost and only, whereas Notre Dame is an architectural marvel that happens to be a church."
Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it.
@legomanijak said:
" @Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
So we aren't allowed to even point out if the MOC is inaccurate or simply not that well made?"
I don't think @Huw meant to discourage constructive criticism, just plain negativity.
Neat build, especially around the central temple. Was the decision to leave the exposed studs on the wall a deliberate one to capture the crenellations?
@elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?
@AustinPowers said:
" @legomanijak said:
" @Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
So we aren't allowed to even point out if the MOC is inaccurate or simply not that well made?"
I don't think @Huw meant to discourage constructive criticism, just plain negativity. "
Correct. I could have worded it better.
@Murdoch17 said:
"I'm surprised LEGO let this in - This is a ancient temple to an existing religion - first foremost and only, whereas Notre Dame is an architectural marvel that happens to be a church. These two things are not the same: It's a bit like saying Mega Bloks and LEGO are the same company, just because they're both brick-based toy makers, which is obviously wholly untrue. (also, the Jewish people might take offense at making copies of what was once their temple and selling them for a profit!)
I'm wondering if this will even make it to voting, honestly. No offense to modeltrainman - it's a nice MOC - but doesn't appear to fit the Lego brand IMO."
I also don't understand your statement. Why would Notre Dame be more of an architectural marvel than this temple? I'd argue that recreating ancient sites that are no longer preserved is less 'controversial' than LEGOfying existing buildings with a religious connotation. (Mind, I'm not even averse to religious architecture in LEGO form.)
Please tell me you somehow snuck a staff of Ra Easter egg in there.
Id like to suggest some refinements that would improve it (YMMV) as it does look very "MOC" at the moment:
Shift the stairs back by a plates height to hide those connections at the top.
Realign the tiles to make a consistent chequered pattern.
Close the gaps in the temple façade with the bottom of brackets like 79389.
Reduce the height of the bath substantially - it's taller than the walls.
Also with the bath, get the bricks upright and cap it with tiles, inverted curved bricks looks very rough.
Rearrange some of the wall components so that you don't have 4 brick high vertical joints.
Is there a reason for a 2-wide DBG tile at the base of the steps when the remainder are 1-wide?
There's a 6x6 black plate under the front right tower?
"King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two! And each man shall receive... death. I'll build the Lego set."
I really like the main temple build, it has some nice details. That said, I do have my doubts about the wall surrounding it on all sides. I mean, it makes it kinda impractical to display it, and the front wall just doesn't look so great. And then all those 1x1 tiles.....nice effect but a chore to build. And it also adds a lot to the piece count and as a result the price. While I can appreciate including the whole thing, I'd say it would make for a better set if the focus was just been on the main part.
(I hope I'm not being too negative now?)
@Elcascador said:
" @elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?"
Mecca is a religious site first, way before it is looked at as an architectural site, unlike Notre Dame which is looked at more of an architectural/cultural entity way before a religious one - and that's why Lego approved it. They have nothing to hide Solomon's Temple religious status behind as an excuse, and in doing so they are breaking their "non religious" rule, and allowing the possibility to produce "Mecca" set and similar places of worship.
@elangab said:
" @Elcascador said:
" @elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?"
Mecca is a religious site first, way before it is looked at as an architectural site, unlike Notre Dame which is looked at more of an architectural/cultural entity way before a religious one - and that's why Lego approved it. They have nothing to hide Solomon's Temple religious status behind as an excuse, and in doing so they are breaking their "non religious" rule, and allowing the possibility to produce "Mecca" set and similar places of worship."
This is a BrickLink Designer submission, not an Ideas or other official set. Whether or not it has any bearing on the brand is dubious but even if we pretend it does, it can be reasonably argued that their rules haven't applied for some time. I'm inclined to think that it depends on whether it's classified as a religious site or an architectural / historical one, since LEGO themselves have already blurred that distinction with various architecture sets. While not all of them are necessarily affiliated with a specific religion, many do have a dark or morbid history associated with them nonetheless.
That all said, I doubt it will even make it to the internal BDP vote, whether that be due to the build itself or sensitivity surrounding it due to current events.
I think the square is too wide and the building and walls too plain in the design to be interesting enough as a set. Maybe a more detailed design for the temple alone would have been better, although I wonder if that also wouldn't be too simple-looking - its just a pretty plain building to begin with. Not to say I would also like to see more temple and churche-like sets, also in minifig scale :)
Sorry.
This looks really plain, lacking in detail, and is in microscale that allows for no interaction with minifigs. Thus, it's a pretty generic rendition of an Architecture set.
In sum, the only reason BLDP would look at this as being differentiated from the Architecture line is also the reason they wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole, namely, the religious and current event implications.
Sorry.
With a bit of Star Wars branding, then it’s all good, right?
It appears that I am not allowed to comment on this.
I think this is a good MOC for its size. I like the coloring of this version of Solomon's Temple compared to the one built by Elbe Spurling for The Brick Bible book series (although that one is on a much bigger scale).
I'll read these comments later. Thanks for the feedback.
@AJRAWLEY5700 said:
"I think this is a good MOC for its size. I like the coloring of this version of Solomon's Temple compared to the one built by Elbe Spurling for The Brick Bible book series (although that one is on a much bigger scale)."
Thank you!
@BrickmanNL I wasn't sure what I could do, this is the Inner Court, so I'll have to look into this, thanks.
@CommanderR3x Thank you, that's my hope too.
@StudMuffin24 Thank you. I'm not Jewish myself, but I do appreciate the struggles of the Jewish people, wanted to celebrate a small slice of their history.
@ iwybs Thank you for your comment. Maybe one of my other submissions will spark your interest. :)
Wonderful design and color. Anything a mind creates whether approved by all or a few is a treasure. Open minds will see no matter if it is part of faith its part of life.
@Huw said:
[[Please, don't comment unless you have something constructive to say. [Edited]]]
Thank you for leading off with this. The location where the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem twice stood is unfortunately an epicenter of conflict and discussion about this model could potentially have devolved into nastiness. I am an outwardly identifiable Jew and have recently been targeted with a spate of hateful acts (my house was vandalized two weeks ago and this past week my wife was verbally harassed with an antisemitic epithet). My LEGO hobby is a refuge for me from all of this (I focus on building and growing) and I am grateful that you were proactive in preventing negativity in this forum.
Let us pray for the words of Isaiah regarding the subject of this model to come to be: "For My House shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (Isaiah 56:7).
Again, Thank you!
@Librarian1976 said:
[[ @Huw said:
[[Please, don't comment unless you have something constructive to say. [Edited]]]
Thank you for leading off with this. The location where the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem twice stood is unfortunately an epicenter of conflict and discussion about this model could potentially have devolved into nastiness. I am an outwardly identifiable Jew and have recently been targeted with a spate of hateful acts (my house was vandalized two weeks ago and this past week my wife was verbally harassed with an antisemitic epithet). My LEGO hobby is a refuge for me from all of this (I focus on building and growing) and I am grateful that you were proactive in preventing negativity in this forum.
Let us pray for the words of Isaiah regarding the subject of this model to come to be: "For My House shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (Isaiah 56:7).
Again, Thank you!]]
I want you to know, I meant no animosity in creating this. I wanted to celebrate Jewish history, and my faith. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement!
@StyleCounselor said:
"Sorry.
This looks really plain, lacking in detail, and is in microscale that allows for no interaction with minifigs. Thus, it's a pretty generic rendition of an Architecture set.
In sum, the only reason BLDP would look at this as being differentiated from the Architecture line is also the reason they wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole, namely, the religious and current event implications.
Sorry."
Maybe you'll like one of my other submissions! :)
@Modeltrainman said:
[[ @Librarian1976 said:
[[ @Huw said:
[[Please, don't comment unless you have something constructive to say. [Edited]]]
Thank you for leading off with this. The location where the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem twice stood is unfortunately an epicenter of conflict and discussion about this model could potentially have devolved into nastiness. I am an outwardly identifiable Jew and have recently been targeted with a spate of hateful acts (my house was vandalized two weeks ago and this past week my wife was verbally harassed with an antisemitic epithet). My LEGO hobby is a refuge for me from all of this (I focus on building and growing) and I am grateful that you were proactive in preventing negativity in this forum.
Let us pray for the words of Isaiah regarding the subject of this model to come to be: "For My House shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." (Isaiah 56:7).
Again, Thank you!]]
I want you to know, I meant no animosity in creating this. I wanted to celebrate Jewish history, and my faith. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement!
]]
You don't know how excited I am that you actually made this. Since this past December, I have been engaged in the Daf Yomi Cycle, a regimen whereby the entire Talmud is studied, a page a day over the course of approximately seven and a half years with students all over the world studying the same page every day. Three weeks ago, I began Tractate Zevahim (Sacrifices) which discusses the sacrificial rituals that took place in the ancient Jewish Temple. The Rabbis of the Talmud go into a lot of detail about the Temple itself so I've had the Temple on my mind as of late. Though, to be fair, theTemple about which I am reading is the Second Temple, which was built in 516 BCE and renovated by Herod in 18 BCE, not Solomon's Temple that you have built. I'm not holding my breath for LEGO to approve this, but if they do it will likely be the first BrickLink Designer Program set that I purchase!
Incidentally, there is a really great knock-off LEGO model of the Second Jewish Temple of Jerusalem (in Hebrew the Bet [or depending on your pronunciation, "Bes"] ha-Mikdash) that can be found on Amazon. I generally don't buy non-LEGO interlocking bricks, but I may make an exception in this case just to get my hands on the instructions and brick list so that I can buy genuine elements and not engage in what I consider the sacrilege of building counterfeit LEGO.
https://www.amazon.com/Geulah-Second-Hamikdash-Brick-Model/dp/B0DMWW8XWY
Are those 1x1 tiles for the floor? Good luck to those that buy this. That alone dissuades me.
As a religious Jew, I did a massive double take logging onto the site tonight. Did not to expect to ever see something like this on the front page, lol. I appreciate the Jewish representation!
With that said, if I may offer some constructive criticism - this model seems rather inaccurate, with a lot of the above complaints about it being too wide and boring being a result of that. The rectangular shape should really stretch out forwards, not to the side, with the main building being proportionately bigger. The front courtyard is completely absent, which would add a lot more dynamics to the build. And I'm quite surprised by all of the utensils and such being absent, including the sacrificial altar* and the like. The wash basin is there, which is a nice inclusion, but it's generally agreed to look more like a big faucet or fountain, not a bathtub. The model could definitely look a lot more robust, as the post two messages above me currently demonstrates with the knock-off Lego model.
(*I can understand that this would never be approved anyway, although to be fair, Lego never had issues portraying the ark in Lego Indiana Jones, so idk lol)
Despite all of that, it's really cool to see this! It needs a lot of refinement before I would actually think of buying it, but I really like the idea.
EDIT: Oh, I only just noticed the altar in the photo, my bad! +1 for this build in that case!
@Librarian1976
Hello fellow observant Jew! I don't run into that a lot online. :-)
@woosterlegos said:
"Are those 1x1 tiles for the floor? Good luck to those that buy this. That alone dissuades me."
Yes. Yes, they are. The floor was tedious, but Rivendell looks tedious on the roof, and that turned out well!
@Robot99 said:
"As a religious Jew, I did a massive double take logging onto the site tonight. Did not to expect to ever see something like this on the front page, lol. I appreciate the Jewish representation!
With that said, if I may offer some constructive criticism - this model seems rather inaccurate, with a lot of the above complaints about it being too wide and boring being a result of that. The rectangular shape should really stretch out forwards, not to the side, with the main building being proportionately bigger. The front courtyard is completely absent, which would add a lot more dynamics to the build. And I'm quite surprised by all of the utensils and such being absent, including the sacrificial altar* and the like. The wash basin is there, which is a nice inclusion, but it's generally agreed to look more like a big faucet or fountain, not a bathtub. The model could definitely look a lot more robust, as the post two messages above me currently demonstrates with the knock-off Lego model.
(*I can understand that this would never be approved anyway, although to be fair, Lego never had issues portraying the ark in Lego Indiana Jones, so idk lol)
Despite all of that, it's really cool to see this! It needs a lot of refinement before I would actually think of buying it, but I really like the idea.
EDIT: Oh, I only just noticed the altar in the photo, my bad! +1 for this build in that case!
@Librarian1976
Hello fellow observant Jew! I don't run into that a lot online. :-)"
The altar is the gray stepped object. I was working from artist's renderings, too.
@Graupensuppe said:
""King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two and we will make the second section a Day One GWP.""
I fixed it for you. :o)
(What nobody knows yet is what's inside the temple. I also have references inside, but didn't highlight them here, or publicly.) Well, I know.
@Modeltrainman said:
"I was working from artist's renderings, too."
Hmm, okay, that does explain a lot of what I mentioned being missing. Pretty good recreation of that render at least! I would personally recommend looking at multiple renders when designing things in general - when I draw and need a reference for example, I'll punch the thing in question into Google and leave a stream of image results open in front of me. It greatly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies, and can even allow me to apply some artistic license if need be.
@Robot99 said:
" @Modeltrainman said:
"I was working from artist's renderings, too."
Hmm, okay, that does explain a lot of what I mentioned being missing. Pretty good recreation of that render at least! I would personally recommend looking at multiple renders when designing things in general - when I draw and need a reference for example, I'll punch the thing in question into Google and leave a stream of image results open in front of me. It greatly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies, and can even allow me to apply some artistic license if need be."
Noted for updates! (Also, there are tools inside the temple, as well.)
@Modeltrainman said:
"(Also, there are tools inside the temple, as well.)"
Oh, that's really cool then! The stuff inside the temple are probably the most important details too.
@Robot99 said:
" @Modeltrainman said:
"(Also, there are tools inside the temple, as well.)"
Oh, that's really cool then! The stuff inside the temple are probably the most important details too."
My faith, Biblical accuracy, and Jewish history were on display here. HAD to get it right!
@MisterBrickster said:
"Neat build, especially around the central temple. Was the decision to leave the exposed studs on the wall a deliberate one to capture the crenellations?"
Yes.
The only positive I can see is that as it is mostly tiled at least wiping the dust off would be easy.
@Modeltrainman said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
"Sorry.
This looks really plain, lacking in detail, and is in microscale that allows for no interaction with minifigs. Thus, it's a pretty generic rendition of an Architecture set.
In sum, the only reason BLDP would look at this as being differentiated from the Architecture line is also the reason they wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole, namely, the religious and current event implications.
Sorry."
Maybe you'll like one of my other submissions! :)"
Looks like you put a lot of time and thought into your work. You're undoubtedly right! Unfortunately, this idea is frought with complications.
Nevertheless, I really enjoyed your model and the associated research.
Thanks for sharing this. There's a lot of potential in architecture sets from the ancient world - the 7 Wonders for example.
Asking for feedback on a forum is a brave move!
Hope there's something here to inspire you in the steps ahead.
@tenfootgerbil said:
"Thanks for sharing this. There's a lot of potential in architecture sets from the ancient world - the 7 Wonders for example.
Asking for feedback on a forum is a brave move!
Hope there's something here to inspire you in the steps ahead. "
I couldn't get feedback any other way, really, and I want to vastly improve. :) Thank you.
@elangab said:
" @Elcascador said:
" @elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?"
Mecca is a religious site first, way before it is looked at as an architectural site, unlike Notre Dame which is looked at more of an architectural/cultural entity way before a religious one - and that's why Lego approved it. They have nothing to hide Solomon's Temple religious status behind as an excuse, and in doing so they are breaking their "non religious" rule, and allowing the possibility to produce "Mecca" set and similar places of worship."
I'm pretty sure the people who visit the Notre Dame for Sunday Mass see the cathedral as a place of worship first, because that's exactly what it is -- an active place of worship of a one of the world's biggest religions. Yes, it's also an impressive monumental architectural feat, as many medieval cathedrals are, as well as a historic site, but for millions of catholics it's a religious place above all.
I've stated before that I feel toymakers should refrain from making anything religious, but there's a bit more leeway when it comes to 18+ or D2C models. I don't mind personally, to each their own. As far as this model concerns: it looks fine, although I agree with above commenters on possible improvements.
Has it been that long since Lego released 21058? Let’s remember who historically built that before we freak out about this.
@Aneurysm_2 said:
"Has it been that long since Lego released 21058 ? Let’s remember who historically built that before we freak out about this."
The Ancient Egyptians historically built that tomb, not anybody else. (biblically it is a different story, but I'm not going to open that can of worms) It is also not a religious site but it IS the last remaining of the 7 wonders of the ancient world.
@legomanijak said:
" @Huw said:
"Please, don't comment unless you have something positive to say."
So we aren't allowed to even point out if the MOC is inaccurate or simply not that well made?"
You know what he meant.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Aneurysm_2 said:
"Has it been that long since Lego released 21058 ? Let’s remember who historically built that before we freak out about this."
The Ancient Egyptians historically built that tomb, not anybody else. (biblically it is a different story, but I'm not going to open that can of worms) It is also not a religious site but it IS the last remaining of the 7 wonders of the ancient world."
I don’t think not should be made into an official set either (in fact I personally feel that the ‘Ideas’ line should be exactly what it says it is; Ideas. I am not a fan of the constant licensing. It should be original ideas and not a recreation of what someone else has done before). It’s a nice MOC, they obviously put a a lot of time into it, let’s take it for what it is. And to correct you, it is historical fact that the pyramids (as an amazing feat of engineering that they are) were constructed on the backs of slave labour.
@Robot99 said:
"As a religious Jew, I did a massive double take logging onto the site tonight. Did not to expect to ever see something like this on the front page, lol. I appreciate the Jewish representation!
With that said, if I may offer some constructive criticism - this model seems rather inaccurate, with a lot of the above complaints about it being too wide and boring being a result of that. The rectangular shape should really stretch out forwards, not to the side, with the main building being proportionately bigger. The front courtyard is completely absent, which would add a lot more dynamics to the build. And I'm quite surprised by all of the utensils and such being absent, including the sacrificial altar* and the like. The wash basin is there, which is a nice inclusion, but it's generally agreed to look more like a big faucet or fountain, not a bathtub. The model could definitely look a lot more robust, as the post two messages above me currently demonstrates with the knock-off Lego model.
(*I can understand that this would never be approved anyway, although to be fair, Lego never had issues portraying the ark in Lego Indiana Jones, so idk lol)
Despite all of that, it's really cool to see this! It needs a lot of refinement before I would actually think of buying it, but I really like the idea.
EDIT: Oh, I only just noticed the altar in the photo, my bad! +1 for this build in that case!
@Librarian1976
Hello fellow observant Jew! I don't run into that a lot online. :-)"
Loving how this post brought us all out! :-D
Shanah Tovah Kulam (Happy New Year Everyone) and happy [temporary] building!
@Librarian1976 said:
" @Robot99 said:
"As a religious Jew, I did a massive double take logging onto the site tonight. Did not to expect to ever see something like this on the front page, lol. I appreciate the Jewish representation!
With that said, if I may offer some constructive criticism - this model seems rather inaccurate, with a lot of the above complaints about it being too wide and boring being a result of that. The rectangular shape should really stretch out forwards, not to the side, with the main building being proportionately bigger. The front courtyard is completely absent, which would add a lot more dynamics to the build. And I'm quite surprised by all of the utensils and such being absent, including the sacrificial altar* and the like. The wash basin is there, which is a nice inclusion, but it's generally agreed to look more like a big faucet or fountain, not a bathtub. The model could definitely look a lot more robust, as the post two messages above me currently demonstrates with the knock-off Lego model.
(*I can understand that this would never be approved anyway, although to be fair, Lego never had issues portraying the ark in Lego Indiana Jones, so idk lol)
Despite all of that, it's really cool to see this! It needs a lot of refinement before I would actually think of buying it, but I really like the idea.
EDIT: Oh, I only just noticed the altar in the photo, my bad! +1 for this build in that case!
@Librarian1976
Hello fellow observant Jew! I don't run into that a lot online. :-)"
Loving how this post brought us all out! :-D
Shanah Tovah Kulam! (Happy New Year Everyone!) "
May God bless everyone!
I feel it is important to note that king Solomon of Israel and Judah was not jewish, nor was the temple that is said to have constructed on his orders. Solomon lived in the 10th or 11th century BCE, four or five centuries before the advent of judaism in the 6th century BCE. Solomon was a yahwist, which was a polytheist/monolatrist religion with Yahweh as the main god, but by no means the only god (the latter which — by my knowledge — is a core tenet of judaism). Obviously, the temple is ‘biblical’, though not jewish.
Yahwism had only evolved into monotheistic judaism by the time of the Second Temple, after the Babylonion Captivity (that started after the sack of Jerusalem and this temple).
@dudeski said:
"I feel it is important to note that king Solomon of Israel and Judah was not jewish, nor was the temple that is said to have constructed on his orders. Solomon lived in the 10th or 11th century BCE, four or five centuries before the advent of judaism in the 6th century BCE. Solomon was a yahwist, which was a polytheist/monolatrist religion with Yahweh as the main god, but by no means the only god (the latter which — by my knowledge — is a core tenet of judaism). Obviously, the temple is ‘biblical’, though not jewish.
Yahwism had only evolved into monotheistic judaism by the time of the Second Temple, after the Babylonion Captivity (that started after the sack of Jerusalem and this temple). "
A Jewish friend of mine pointed out that while Moses wasn't a Jew (he was a Levite), he was more properly THE Jew.
While the Jewish people in the technical sense didn't exist until after the Babylonian captivity, they certainly claim an ancestral kinship with the twelve tribes--and specifically the tribe of Judah--which predates them. Probably best not to go telling a people of faith that they lack a connection to a major architectural site on the grounds of a technicality. This is all pretty important to them.
@ToysFromTheAttic said:
" @elangab said:
" @Elcascador said:
" @elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?"
Mecca is a religious site first, way before it is looked at as an architectural site, unlike Notre Dame which is looked at more of an architectural/cultural entity way before a religious one - and that's why Lego approved it. They have nothing to hide Solomon's Temple religious status behind as an excuse, and in doing so they are breaking their "non religious" rule, and allowing the possibility to produce "Mecca" set and similar places of worship."
I'm pretty sure the people who visit the Notre Dame for Sunday Mass see the cathedral as a place of worship first, because that's exactly what it is -- an active place of worship of a one of the world's biggest religions. Yes, it's also an impressive monumental architectural feat, as many medieval cathedrals are, as well as a historic site, but for millions of catholics it's a religious place above all.
I've stated before that I feel toymakers should refrain from making anything religious, but there's a bit more leeway when it comes to 18+ or D2C models. I don't mind personally, to each their own. As far as this model concerns: it looks fine, although I agree with above commenters on possible improvements."
The Ark of the Covenant in two Indiana Jones sets says hello.
(Yes, I anticipate that someone is going to try to distinguish a movie prop from the original item it's based on, but I don't plan to split hairs here.)
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @ToysFromTheAttic said:
" @elangab said:
" @Elcascador said:
" @elangab said:
"Yeah, this has no modern era architectural representation. If they approve this, they will need to approve religious sites such as Mecca as well so regardless of the model itself, zero chance for them to approve it."
Wait, that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Mecca also has a modern era architectural representation. Moreover, why should that even be a criterium?"
Mecca is a religious site first, way before it is looked at as an architectural site, unlike Notre Dame which is looked at more of an architectural/cultural entity way before a religious one - and that's why Lego approved it. They have nothing to hide Solomon's Temple religious status behind as an excuse, and in doing so they are breaking their "non religious" rule, and allowing the possibility to produce "Mecca" set and similar places of worship."
I'm pretty sure the people who visit the Notre Dame for Sunday Mass see the cathedral as a place of worship first, because that's exactly what it is -- an active place of worship of a one of the world's biggest religions. Yes, it's also an impressive monumental architectural feat, as many medieval cathedrals are, as well as a historic site, but for millions of catholics it's a religious place above all.
I've stated before that I feel toymakers should refrain from making anything religious, but there's a bit more leeway when it comes to 18+ or D2C models. I don't mind personally, to each their own. As far as this model concerns: it looks fine, although I agree with above commenters on possible improvements."
The Ark of the Covenant in two Indiana Jones sets says hello.
(Yes, I anticipate that someone is going to try to distinguish a movie prop from the original item it's based on, but I don't plan to split hairs here.)"
(Look at the pictures when my project launches tomorrow. *Whistles innocently*)
It’s very fascinating that in our western culture, where we pride ourselves in our diversity and inclusivity, a model like this is so controversial! If our society truly valued diversity, equity, inclusion, and the likes, something like this should be welcomed. For goodness sake! It’s historical architecture with ties to multiple cultural and religious backgrounds. That sounds like diversity to me. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the west has established its own “religion”, or belief system, with its own values.
Just my thoughts…
All that to say, I think it’s pretty cool. And I would definitely preorder it.
@CilverCentry said:
"It’s very fascinating that in our western culture, where we pride ourselves in our diversity and inclusivity, a model like this is so controversial! If our society truly valued diversity, equity, inclusion, and the likes, something like this should be welcomed. For goodness sake! It’s historical architecture with ties to multiple cultural and religious backgrounds. That sounds like diversity to me. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the west has established its own “religion”, or belief system, with its own values.
Just my thoughts…
All that to say, I think it’s pretty cool. And I would definitely preorder it."
Thank you! Working on adding changes based on feedback, at least to my file.
@Huw said:
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Just want to say I appreciate the efforts of the mods here. While I find most comments on the site harmless, and often insightful or funny, there are always that one occasional comment that makes me me want to sigh. Case in point, whenever new Chinese/Lunar New Year sets are announced. As an ethnic Chinese person I just want to celebrate my culture and buy them as gifts for my relatives, not spending my time calling out out crude stereotypes.
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @dudeski said:
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Probably best not to go telling a people of faith that they lack a connection to a major architectural site on the grounds of a technicality. This is all pretty important to them."
Please point out specifically at which point you feel that I claim that jewish people (or other adherents to any abrahamic faith, for that matter) do not have a connection to a temple of the faith from which theirs has evolved. If anyone thought I meant that, I apologise.
Anyone is free to feel any connection to whatever they want, be that based on religion, ancestry, field of interest or … I will never tell anyone they cannot feel whatever they feel, regardless of my understanding of the feeling.
I just wanted to point this out because some people feel this (imho rather dull) build will never be selected for production because it is a ‘religious’ building. Someone even described it as an ‘ancient temple of an existing religion’, which is blatantly wrong, as there are no yahwists alive for two and a half millennia.
@Aneurysm_2 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @Aneurysm_2 said:
"Has it been that long since Lego released 21058 ? Let’s remember who historically built that before we freak out about this."
The Ancient Egyptians historically built that tomb, not anybody else. (biblically it is a different story, but I'm not going to open that can of worms) It is also not a religious site but it IS the last remaining of the 7 wonders of the ancient world."
I don’t think not should be made into an official set either (in fact I personally feel that the ‘Ideas’ line should be exactly what it says it is; Ideas. I am not a fan of the constant licensing. It should be original ideas and not a recreation of what someone else has done before). It’s a nice MOC, they obviously put a a lot of time into it, let’s take it for what it is. And to correct you, it is historical fact that the pyramids (as an amazing feat of engineering that they are) were constructed on the backs of slave labour."
That is not true. All archaeological evidence suggests the pyramids were constructed by paid workers. Greek historians believed that they had been constructed using slave labour, hence that assumption was popularised and has only recently been disproven.
Of course, slavery was practised in Ancient Egypt, so enslaved people were likely involved in some way, just not as the construction workforce.
@dudeski said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @dudeski said:
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Probably best not to go telling a people of faith that they lack a connection to a major architectural site on the grounds of a technicality. This is all pretty important to them."
Please point out specifically at which point you feel that I claim that jewish people (or other adherents to any abrahamic faith, for that matter) do not have a connection to a temple of the faith from which theirs has evolved. If anyone thought I meant that, I apologise.
Anyone is free to feel any connection to whatever they want, be that based on religion, ancestry, field of interest or … I will never tell anyone they cannot feel whatever they feel, regardless of my understanding of the feeling.
I just wanted to point this out because some people feel this (imho rather dull) build will never be selected for production because it is a ‘religious’ building. Someone even described it as an ‘ancient temple of an existing religion’, which is blatantly wrong, as there are no yahwists alive for two and a half millennia. "
The claim that Solomon's Temple is not an ancient temple of an existing religion is not true. While Judaism has changed drastically over the course of its four millennia of history, these shifts are not divisions between preceding and succeeding religions, but rather evolutions of a single religion that has adapted and grown over tens of centuries. The connection that modern day Jews have to their historical temple is potent. It is invoked in prayer, studied in detail (as I mentioned above, I am currently learning Tractate Zevahim of the Babylonian Talmud which describes the ways in which the Temple of Jerusalem was employed in Jewish worship), and is the subject of art. My concern with the claim that today's Jews have no connection to the Temple of Jerusalem is that it is a claim that is often used by antisemites. I am not accusing you of hate, but I want you to understand why your post gives me pause.
@Librarian1976 said:
" @dudeski said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @dudeski said:
""
Probably best not to go telling a people of faith that they lack a connection to a major architectural site on the grounds of a technicality. This is all pretty important to them."
Please point out specifically at which point you feel that I claim that jewish people (or other adherents to any abrahamic faith, for that matter) do not have a connection to a temple of the faith from which theirs has evolved. If anyone thought I meant that, I apologise.
Anyone is free to feel any connection to whatever they want, be that based on religion, ancestry, field of interest or … I will never tell anyone they cannot feel whatever they feel, regardless of my understanding of the feeling.
I just wanted to point this out because some people feel this (imho rather dull) build will never be selected for production because it is a ‘religious’ building. Someone even described it as an ‘ancient temple of an existing religion’, which is blatantly wrong, as there are no yahwists alive for two and a half millennia. "
The claim that Solomon's Temple is not an ancient temple of an existing religion is not true. While Judaism has changed drastically over the course of its four millennia of history, these shifts are not divisions between preceding and succeeding religions, but rather evolutions of a single religion that has adapted and grown over tens of centuries. The connection that modern day Jews have to their historical temple is potent. It is invoked in prayer, studied in detail (as I mentioned above, I am currently learning Tractate Zevahim of the Babylonian Talmud which describes the ways in which the Temple of Jerusalem was employed in Jewish worship), and is the subject of art. My concern with the claim that today's Jews have no connection to the Temple of Jerusalem is that it is a claim that is often used by antisemites. I am not accusing you of hate, but I want you to understand why your post gives me pause."
Where do you read that according to me today’s jews (or those of yesterday and tomorrow) have no connection to the First Temple? You are free to feel any connection you want. But I am also free to say out loud (or write publicly) that even though judaism has its roots in yahwism, they are not equal. Claiming that yahwism us an ancient form of judaism would be along the lines of claiming judaism to be an ancient form of christianity. Judaism is also not the only ‘successor of the yahwist line’, there is also samarism, even though that it has only a handful of adherents (just ~900 according to Wikipedia).
There is of course a difference between studying religious texts from the inside (which have been curated by religious scholars over centuries to say what they want them to say) and studying history or theology, which includes knowledge from the outside and other versions of the same texts etc.
There is nothing at all wrong with your religious study, as long as you keep in mind that it is religious at the core. Religious truth and factual truth may differ immensly. as a rule, I respect everyone’s belief in whatever they want, as long as they too respect the same of others, including godless atheists like me.
https://www.bricklink.com/v3/designer-program/series-9/3135/Solomon's-Temple
Link is live!
Just want to point out that JBrick has a Holy Temple AND Temple Mounty kits:
https://www.jbrick.com/store/p64/Holy_Temple.html
https://www.jbrick.com/store/p90/Temple_Mount.html
Currently out -of-stock which happens from time to time.
I have built these and they are very detailed especially the inside parts and the underground chambers.
@Graupensuppe said:
""King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two! And each man shall receive... death. I'll build the Lego set.""
Was this quote inspired by anything in particular or were you just making up a cute scene?
@dudeski said:
"I feel it is important to note that king Solomon of Israel and Judah was not jewish, nor was the temple that is said to have constructed on his orders. Solomon lived in the 10th or 11th century BCE, four or five centuries before the advent of judaism in the 6th century BCE. Solomon was a yahwist, which was a polytheist/monolatrist religion with Yahweh as the main god, but by no means the only god (the latter which — by my knowledge — is a core tenet of judaism). Obviously, the temple is ‘biblical’, though not jewish.
Yahwism had only evolved into monotheistic judaism by the time of the Second Temple, after the Babylonion Captivity (that started after the sack of Jerusalem and this temple). "
To the best of my knowledge, King Solomon did believe in a single G-d, and Jews existed since the giving of the Bible at Mount Sinai
@SEG2008 said:
" @Graupensuppe said:
""King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two! And each man shall receive... death. I'll build the Lego set.""
Was this quote inspired by anything in particular or were you just making up a cute scene?
"
I think they were inspired by the story from 1 Kings 3:16-28, in which Solomon said that the baby should be cut in half.
@Modeltrainman said:
" @SEG2008 said:
" @Graupensuppe said:
""King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two! And each man shall receive... death. I'll build the Lego set.""
Was this quote inspired by anything in particular or were you just making up a cute scene?
"
I think they were inspired by the story from 1 Kings 3:16-28, in which Solomon said that the baby should be cut in half.
"
Actually it was inspired by the Simpsons' version of that story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ4yzA854A
@Graupensuppe said:
" @Modeltrainman said:
" @SEG2008 said:
" @Graupensuppe said:
""King Solomon, these men need you to settle a dispute. They each claim ownership of this Lego set."
"The set shall be cut in two! And each man shall receive... death. I'll build the Lego set.""
Was this quote inspired by anything in particular or were you just making up a cute scene?
"
I think they were inspired by the story from 1 Kings 3:16-28, in which Solomon said that the baby should be cut in half.
"
Actually it was inspired by the Simpsons' version of that story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ4yzA854A"
OK. Huh.