Yu-Gi-Oh! competition on LEGO Ideas

Wanted to make a LEGO Duel Disk, but I guess that’s not what the guidelines are asking for?

Also where does it list the rewards for winning?

Yeah I loved watching it, still should have hundreds of trading cards somewhere.
But I don't consider it suitable for lego

About all I know about Yu-Gi-Oh is that it has a card called "Megatron." (I only know that because of the "Trademark" page on TFWiki, which mentions it. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Trademark). That would not be the Lego Megatron we wanted.

@yellowcastle said:
"Every day, LEGO puts one more nail in my coffin. Thanks, LEGO."

Same! I've almost given up on sets - it really, really has to tickle my fancy in order to buy a new set - which mean trains stuff usually. (PAB is another matter, however - I buy a crud ton of that.)

Oh wow, I can't believe this is happening. Yu-Gi-Oh! is far from its prime, but they'll get me with nostalgia!

I don't remember if it happened in the anime because it's been so long, but it kind of has to be Blue-Eyes White Dragon versus Dark Magician. These are the most iconic monsters of that era. Not easy to translate into bricks.

I personally would like a Time Wizard. It's actually one of the first cards that I got, I was so happy... but then I left it in my pockets and it got DESTROYED by the washing machine...AAAAAAAAAAHH still hurts.

@Huw said:
"It was big in the '90s..."

Still going. Possibly still reprinting some of those cards....in tiny, tiny font to fit the whole rules paragraph on, making it impossible to read.

I'm expecting a white dragon build

@Elite_1 said:
"I SUMMON POT OF GREED!"

Ok but what does that do?

The Ideas Challenge page stipulates that entries focus on the "Battle City" or "Duelist Kingdom" arcs of the "Duel Monsters" anime (2000-2005). Yu-Gi-Oh! has been a media franchise for 25 years, so that probably keeps the evaluation tractable.

The specific licensor isn't identified, but over those 25 years it has involved multiple manga, animation, game, and foreign adaptors -- none of which are Nintendo (Super Mario, Pokémon, Legend of Zelda), so it's evidently a new licensing arrangement for TLG.

...of course they are making a set on Yu-Gi-Oh.

What's next? Digimon? Naruto?

@JustinPepsiman said:
" @Elite_1 said:
"I SUMMON POT OF GREED!"

Ok but what does that do?"

The explanation for none yu-gi-oh fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuH84iNLJ8U

And the unforgettable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqmPknhHEVE

@Binnekamp Gundam wing, but we allreadx have exo force and ninjago

@Binnekamp said:
"...of course they are making a set on Yu-Gi-Oh.

What's next? Digimon? Naruto?"
Ishuzoku Reviewers! ;-)

All jokes aside, how about Neon Genesis Evangelion? Ghost in the Shell? Akira? Or anything Gundam?

@MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

You gotta be a fan of Yu-Gi-Oh! specifically. It was mainstream...20 years ago. It's irrelevant, for the most part these days.

If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films.

Many anime series that would sell like crazy aren't appropriate for children. Jujutsu Kaisen, Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, Vinland Saga, just to name a few.

Pretty neat! I'm not much into Yu-Gi-Oh these days but when I was a teen I watched/played it a lot, and even did miniland-scale figures of some of the characters and monsters. Probably won't build anything for this but hope someone comes up with something cool.

All I know about this IP is that a former judge showed up at a major competition with a deck that was designed to make games (without violating any rules) last longer than the venue was rented for. And but for the luck of one draw in the elimination rounds, it could well have blown out the tournament. But they might not like to be reminded of that little incident…

Seems like a very odd choice. The anime series seems to have faded into obscurity, and even at my local gaming store no-one plays the card game anymore and they won't stock the cards for it.

@MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

Nah, it also has collectible playing cards (like pokemon) that have been really popular at times. Around the mid 2000s trading them was the main passtime in British schools lol. Not sure about since then. Did have tv shows too.

blue eyes white dragon hype?

@Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again.

@TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again."

Yes. But on the other hand: Armstrong bigfig, when?

@Huw said:
"It was big in the '90s..."
I have heard the name somewhere, but I have no clue what it is, nor do I care.

@TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again."

I've seen and read it many times. It's no worse than James Bond (he's literally an assassin), Jaws, blue people Avatar, Indiana Jones, quite a bit of Marvel & DC content.

The Animals of Farthing Wood is unambiguously a kid’s book series and a kid’s tv show and yet my partner was extremely shocked and horrified when I showed them a screenshot of the Shrike Episode (unlike me, they aren’t a 90s kid). There are certainly worldbuilding and plot things I think would exclude things from Lego forever, but they tend to be more sex-based than violence-based and also un-ignorable (i.e. central to the happenings of the books/show/films). The world is strange like that. Star Wars involves the extremely central genocide of several peoples (starting but not ending with the Jedi) and an entire planet’s population (Alderaan), after all. FMA’s probably fine, GOT isn’t.

I liked Yu-Gi-Oh well enough but my soul was thoroughly owned by Pokemon and Gundam Wing at that point with most of what was left over taken up by DBZ, as far as anime goes, so it got relegated to “watch it if there's nothing else to do” like Digimon. But I know more than enough other 90s kids who were very much into Yu-Go-Oh at the time and would be delighted to indulge in some nostalgia, plus the tcg is very much a going concern with high profile and confusingly-ruled tournaments, so I imagine that if the set is even slightly good it will do perfectly well.

Also, if you don’t know what the Shrike Episode is and you’re fond of baby animals, don’t google it.

@AustinPowers said:
" @Huw said:
"It was big in the '90s..."
I have heard the name somewhere, but I have no clue what it is, nor do I care. "

It's that series with the most absurd hair of all the absurd hair in anime.....and that's all I know about it.

The only thing I remember about YuGiOh was the abridged series that someone made being the funniest thing on the internet, bar none.

@Zordboy said:
"The only thing I remember about YuGiOh was the abridged series that someone made being the funniest thing on the internet, bar none. "

Even funnier than Dragon Ball Abridged?

@TheOtherMike:
Any time the title includes the word “fullmetal”, it probably needs a cautious vetting.

@Murdoch17 said:
" @Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again."

Yes. But on the other hand: Armstrong bigfig, when?"

Why would you want astronaut Neil Armstrong as a big fig? So he can hulk-smash the Moon with his first step? WHAT KIND OF MONSTER ARE YOU?!?

;-P (I know nothing of the show in question, I just saw "Armstrong" and "big-fig" and ran with that into the sunset as fast as I could!)"

I know Lance got busted for PEDs, but he never used _that_ much!

@AustinPowers:
It’s a card game about a TV show about a card game. One of my Friends from college used to review CCGs. Like _ALL_ the CCGs. To the point where any company that was about to launch one would send him free cases to try out, because he was the one person you could count on posting an unbiased review if you saw a new one in the store and wanted to know if it was worth getting into (most weren’t).

@Hiratha:
Watership Down.

@PurpleDave : thanks. Did your friend also review the Star Trek CCG by Decipher? I was really into that for quite a while and have amassed a bit of a collection by now.

Oh heck yeah Lego yugioh

@Rowia said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again."

I've seen and read it many times. It's no worse than James Bond (he's literally an assassin), Jaws, blue people Avatar, Indiana Jones, quite a bit of Marvel & DC content."

I said nothing about whether or not Lego would touch it, I just said that I would not consider it kid-friendly. Oh, and @Crux: we need two. One shirtless, one not.

@AustinPowers said:
" @PurpleDave : thanks. Did your friend also review the Star Trek CCG by Decipher? I was really into that for quite a while and have amassed a bit of a collection by now. "

Probably, but it wouldn’t have mattered except to get a baseline for his subsequent reviews. By the time he got started, there were people in my group playing MtG, Star Wars, Star Trek, White Wolf’s Vampire and Werewolf games (can’t remember the titles offhand), Wyvern, L5R, Legends of the Burning Sands, a Western-themed game that included a few types of magic (I remember one faction was all members of one family of hucksters), a game involving tall ship battles in the age of pirates, and probably a few I can’t even remember (or was never aware of). There had to have been over a hundred different games put on the market, and at least half a dozen of the ones I mentioned had really strong sales. And I’m pretty sure both Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh were also already on the market (but nobody I knew played them). Games like those didn’t really need his reviews to attract customers. But he still probably reviewed them because he was intent on playing _every_ game produced. The only one I can recall him specifically mentioning reviewing, though, was based on the Bible. The subject matter probably didn’t hold a lot of appeal for a huge chunk of the potential market (even most Christian players would have probably steered clear of it for various reasons), but he said the gameplay mechanics were surprisingly good. Slap some dragons on the boxes, and it might have done really well.

Within my group, the four big ones were MtG, L5R, and the two White Wolf games. SW and ST were both really popular for a bit, but then everyone kinda decided they were better for collecting than playing. That’s especially true for ST if you didnt want to play the Federation (or you realized that the only way you were going to find someone to play against was to suck it up and pick one of the other two factions whether you liked it or not). It just was not a very balanced game at the time, and you basically had to be Mr. Suitcase to be able to acquire the cards to make a strong deck for either of the other two factions. Or you could throw that money at making an even more powerful Federation deck with the fanciest versions of the full Enterprise bridge crew (which nobody would want to play against).

For anyone interested in the Ideas challenge but who needs to research the stipulated content: it's streaming on Prime Video (in the U.S., anyway). The "Yu-Gi-Oh!: Duel Monsters" TV anime is listed as just "Yu-Gi-Oh! (2001)" The "Duel City" arc is most of season 1 ("The Heart of the Cards" through "Aftermath") and the "Battle City" arc has two parts, comprising most of season 2 ("The Mystery Duelist" through "Showdown in the Shadows" and "Back to Battle City" through "Looking Back and Moving Ahead"). I provide the titles since Prime Video can be flaky in whether its chunk-of-episodes labeling bears any resemblance to customary numbering.

@JulieHD said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

the average Brickset user's cultural knowledge seems to exclusively consist of live-action sitcoms from before 1995"

Clearly you haven’t spent much time reading the TMNT comments.

@TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @Rowia said:
"If they wanna license popular anime series that are mostly kid friendly, MHA, Naruto, Full-Metal alchemist & various Ghibli films."

Fullmetal Alchemist? Kid-friendly? Have you *seen* it or *read* it? You know that Philosopher's Stone that Ed and Al are looking for when the series starts? (The one they need to get restore their bodies after something went wrong when they tried to bring their mother back from the dead?) It turns out that the major ingredient for that is human souls, so if you want one, you've got to do a whole lotta murder. An entire country was wiped out in the backstory to do that, and the series' Big Bad plans to do it again."

I've seen and read it many times. It's no worse than James Bond (he's literally an assassin), Jaws, blue people Avatar, Indiana Jones, quite a bit of Marvel & DC content."

I said nothing about whether or not Lego would touch it, I just said that I would not consider it kid-friendly. Oh, and @Crux : we need two. One shirtless, one not."

For modesty's sake, I will presume that you meant at least one version of Louis there, and not just two versions of Olivier...?

@Huw said: "It was big in the '90s..."
@EtudeTheBadger said: "...and the '00s"

I don't know much about the actual CCG game, but there was this VERY brief period they tried making manga popular here in Norway (outside specialist game/comic stores, which are few and far between). It started around 2005-ish with a magazine called MangaMania (which had comics like Love Hina and GTO) and was followed/replaced by a Norwegian edition of Shonen Jump (with comics like Yu-Gi-Oh, Naruto and One Piece). It seemed like SJ (at least this Norwegian edition) targeted a younger audience than MangaMania, it didn't interest me as much. There was also other, American-made manga-styled comics (mostly one-off, single-issue stories). Then, after just two or three years it was all over, the fad had apparently fizzled out.

@Gataka said: "Yu-Gi-Oh! is far from its prime, but they'll get me with nostalgia!"
@Rowia said: "It was mainstream...20 years ago. It's irrelevant, for the most part these days"

But isn't this just standard procedure for Lego, to pick up franchises 5 or 10 years after anyone else stopped caring about them? Maybe they want a piece of the well-off adult "nostalgia market" (and excluding everyone else), making it another "theme" consisting of just one single massive $350 D2C set.

Played the TCG a bit in my school days, but then moved onto bigger and better things, aka Magic: The Gathering.

Kind of hope we’ll see some LEGO MtG if they’re doing something based on the other two big TCGs.

I’m surprised by the amount of people who haven’t heard of this franchise, as a kid growing up in the late 90s and early 2000s it was one of the most popular shows and TCGs at school, next to Pokémon. Even though I think much of the source material, especially the monsters are quite difficult to recreate properly in LEGO form, I’m curious to see how the results will turn out.

@JulieHD said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

the average Brickset user's cultural knowledge seems to exclusively consist of live-action sitcoms from before 1995"

Not just sitcoms. Movies, too, especially if those are also some variety of comedy. Did you forget that because you picked the wrong week to quit drinking?

@TheOtherMike said:
" @JulieHD said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

the average Brickset user's cultural knowledge seems to exclusively consist of live-action sitcoms from before 1995"

Not just sitcoms. Movies, too, especially if those are also some variety of comedy. Did you forget that because you picked the wrong week to quit drinking?"

When I found you, you were so slobbering drunk YOU COULDN'T BUY BRANDY!

Oh, this is fantastic.

@Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @JulieHD said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

the average Brickset user's cultural knowledge seems to exclusively consist of live-action sitcoms from before 1995"

Not just sitcoms. Movies, too, especially if those are also some variety of comedy. Did you forget that because you picked the wrong week to quit drinking?"

When I found you, you were so slobbering drunk YOU COULDN'T BUY BRANDY!"

Inconceivable!

@PurpleDave said:
" @Crux said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @JulieHD said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"Yu-Gi-Oh appears to be some random Anime. Think you have to be a fan of Anime and Manga to know about it."

the average Brickset user's cultural knowledge seems to exclusively consist of live-action sitcoms from before 1995"

Not just sitcoms. Movies, too, especially if those are also some variety of comedy. Did you forget that because you picked the wrong week to quit drinking?"

When I found you, you were so slobbering drunk YOU COULDN'T BUY BRANDY!"

Inconceivable!"

Anybody want a peanut?

@PurpleDave

Yes. Although one of my older siblings couldn't stand Watership Down and loved Farthing Wood, which I suppose gives an indication of the difference in *frequency* of traumatising animal suffering even if the intensity is fairly similar.

@Hiratha said:
" @PurpleDave

Yes. Although one of my older siblings couldn't stand Watership Down and loved Farthing Wood, which I suppose gives an indication of the difference in *frequency* of traumatising animal suffering even if the intensity is fairly similar."

Don’t think I’ve ever read or watched it. I just know the reputation as a movie that seems like it would be kid-friendly, but is not. Or the kid needs to be carefully monitored.

@PurpleDave said:
" @Hiratha said:
" @PurpleDave

Yes. Although one of my older siblings couldn't stand Watership Down and loved Farthing Wood, which I suppose gives an indication of the difference in *frequency* of traumatising animal suffering even if the intensity is fairly similar."

Don’t think I’ve ever read or watched it. I just know the reputation as a movie that seems like it would be kid-friendly, but is not. Or the kid needs to be carefully monitored."

Do you know, I’m not entirely sure if Watership Down was even meant to be a kid’s movie or if people assumed because bunnies and animated. Farthing Wood definitely was, though. And admittedly when we’ve got the fine tradition of Punch & Judy shows it seems a bit late to complain about violence in UK media for kids.

I once watched the old Animal Farm adaptation as a small child because I assumed an animated film with a name like that on daytime tv surely must’ve been aimed at me - on account of the small child bit I hadn’t heard of Animal Farm before - and hoo boy was that a mistake. Although perhaps not as much of a mistake as the actual kids movie they seem to have tried to make out of it recently.

@Hiratha said:
"I once watched the old Animal Farm adaptation as a small child because I assumed an animated film with a name like that on daytime tv surely must’ve been aimed at me - on account of the small child bit I hadn’t heard of Animal Farm before - and hoo boy was that a mistake."

My mind had already gone there before reaching this part of your comment. Never watched any film version. I had to read it in school, and hated most of the assigned texts, including that one.

@PurpleDave said:
" @Hiratha said:
"I once watched the old Animal Farm adaptation as a small child because I assumed an animated film with a name like that on daytime tv surely must’ve been aimed at me - on account of the small child bit I hadn’t heard of Animal Farm before - and hoo boy was that a mistake."

My mind had already gone there before reaching this part of your comment. Never watched any film version. I had to read it in school, and hated most of the assigned texts, including that one."

Bearing in mind that I’ve refused to watch it ever since, as I recall it’s less explicitly graphic than FW or WD but the bleakness is deeply unpleasant. Especially if you were a child and expecting an actual kid’s movie.

I didn’t really have to deal with assigned reading until I was 14 or so and taking GCSE’s early (on account of the home ed thing) but I have rarely ever heard a former school kid speak positively of the experience. Seems to me they rarely picked (at least for a long time) anything that seems… not exactly age-appropriate, but age-interesting? Like, I found most Dick & Mary Francis books deadly boring because there’s not much relatable about middle aged financial concerns when you’re nine, but I did okay with the ones that had protagonists in their late teens and early twenties because it’s still more or less in conversation with childhood interests and worries, aside from finding romantic relationships all a bit silly. And assigned reading has largely sounded like it has a similar problem: Concerns and themes that aren’t meaningful to the age groups they’re being given to.

Which is an excellent way of spoiling a perfectly good book and for that matter putting a chunk of the children and teenagers so afflicted off reading altogether.

@Hiratha:
I don’t remember when I had to read Animal Farm (maybe 5th or 6th grade?), but I had a class in 11th grade that I believe was specifically American classic literature. I know we read The Great Gatsby (I spent an entire hour-long class trying to read the first page, but kept nodding off because it was so boring), The Old Man and the Sea, something by Nathaniel Hawthorne, and some stuff from Ambrose Bierce (who I suspect was M. Night Shyamalan’s favorite author), none of which I enjoyed. The only stuff I liked from that entire class were Mark Twain and James Thurber.

It wasn’t the reading I had a problem with. I just didn’t like the choice of texts. I had a kindergarten teacher who actually got me. She started sending me home with her teacher’s editions of our reading books, so I could read the stories at home. I assume she’s the reason I would get pulled up a grade the next three years for reading lessons, but none of those teachers really understood me, because I kept getting paired with the slowest group in the next grade, and I ended up having trouble keeping pace with them as we’d take turns reading out loud. And by that I mean I’d have to back up about three stories and figure out where the last kid had left off when it was my turn to read, because.

They.

Read.

At.

A

Snail’s.

Pace.

And.

It.

Would.

Have.

Driven.

Me.

Up.

The.

Wall.

To.

Follow.

Along.

So I’d just do my own thing instead. In 4th grade, I had that session alone, because the school I was in only covered 1-4, and they couldn’t ship me to a different school just for my reading lessons. And in 5th and 6th grades all of the elementary schools merged into one middle school, so I was finally put in with students in my own grade who read at the same level.

These days, I don’t read as much anymore. I have hundreds of books in my condo, mostly of the MMP variety, almost all of the science fiction or fantasy genres. I have an extensive comic book collection from the mid-90’s. And I have a few odds and ends including various mythology collections (mostly Greco-Roman and Norse because they’re the most accessible, but I’d read whatever I could find growing up). Four times in my life I’ve bought a new novel and finished it in one day (the first was a Dragonlance book, and the other three all came from an urban fantasy author I like).

The issue was not getting me to read, but maintaining my interest. I couldn’t care less about how skilled the author was with fancy literary techniques if the story was more boring than watching paint dry. And I could look past pedestrian writing styles if the stories were engaging enough. And that’s exactly opposite of what “classic literature” is about, unfortunately.

@PurpleDave: I was actually my own reading group in first (and maybe second) grade, because the teacher realized how much of an advanced reader I was. If memory serves, I was already at high school level back then. Oh, and do you know when a book becomes "classic literature?" When people who haven't read it say that they have.

@PurpleDave & @TheOtherMike

Yes, the texts are the problem, that was my point. And for less enthusiastic readers it’s hardly a good introduction to the pleasures of reading for fun.

I think if someone had tried to make me participate in such activities as those reading groups (I’m not sure they’re a thing in the UK, or at least not in the same fashion - no-one’s mentioned them) they would very quickly have found an excuse to put me in a group on my own by any means necessary. I’m not terribly good at sitting still and calmly while people do things unbearably slowly now, at the age it sounds like that was going on I would have been a nightmare.

As tis managing both my hyperlexia (my parents aren’t entirely sure when I learnt to read, because I hid it in case it meant I wouldn’t get stories read to me at bedtime anymore, but… *early*) and my next older sibling’s dyslexia involved a great deal of waving something shiny to distract me and give them time to try and read the thing. Not to mention letting me chew through two of the local libraries to keep me supplied with new reading material (until a minor bit of medical malpractice had me on a medication for awhile that did some permanent damage to my memory I couldn’t reread things without leaving it a couple of years in between else I’d remember it too well to enjoy it - silver linings, eh? Rereading is fun and now I get to do it more often).

During my brief foray into formal education at sixteen (before it turned out that the adaptational nature of home education had done a remarkably effective job of disguising a quite serious physical disability) the teachers I got along with best were the ones who discovered the One Weird Trick of giving me three times as much work as anyone else to get the restive fidgeting to settle down long enough for everyone else to finish doing the basic exercises - although I don’t mean to suggest I was three times as clever, half the problem was half the class would take the first five minutes to chat every time, and I was more interested in the learning bit. It was why I was there, after all. I don’t think classrooms are particularly well set up to manage differences in ability and interest, really.

@Hiratha: TIL about hyperlexia. I was reading by three or four, too. My mom once found me in the basement reading detergent bottles. When she asked why I didn't read any of the books we had, I said, "I've read all the books we have." Her response? "Get in the car, we're going to the library."

@TheOtherMike:
I was never told what level I read at during this time, but I stopped hitting the YA section at my local library before I became the target market. BTW, my mom’s response would have been to read an encyclopedia. She sold World Book Encyclopedia for a brief while, and we ended up with a set at home as a result. I didn’t have any problem looking up something if I wanted to know about that specific subject, but you couldn’t have paid me to just read them like a stack of novels. That would have been too much like homework.

@Hiratha:
So a reading group was they just call a small portion of the class together in one part of the classroom, while the rest of the class works on other schoolwork. The kids sit in a circle with small copies of the reading handbook, and the teacher has the large copy of the same text. Then each kid reads the text aloud until the teacher indicates that the next student should take over. It gives the teacher a way to evaluate individual reading strengths (and in my case, probably attention span), and it gives the students a way to compare the written words with their spoken equivalents.

I couldn’t say anymore when I learned to read, but I got in trouble a lot for swiping the emergency flashlight off the fridge so I could read under the covers when I was supposed to be sleeping. I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again.

@PurpleDave said:"I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again."

One of my favorite authors is Agatha Christie, and I've reread some of hers so many times that I would probably need to suffer memory loss for some of them to surprise me. On the other hand, when I was a kid, I'd read pretty much every Hardy Boys book I could find at every local library, and started reading Nancy Drew books (despite still being in my "girls are icky" phase) just to read mysteries I hadn't already read. My tolerance for rereading has obviously grown a lot since then.

@TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:"I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again."

One of my favorite authors is Agatha Christie, and I've reread some of hers so many times that I would probably need to suffer memory loss for some of them to surprise me. On the other hand, when I was a kid, I'd read pretty much every Hardy Boys book I could find at every local library, and started reading Nancy Drew books (despite still being in my "girls are icky" phase) just to read mysteries I hadn't already read. My tolerance for rereading has obviously grown a lot since then."

We had a few of both collections growing up, so I read them all because they were books I hadn’t read, and they were not “grown-up literature” (this was early enough that I did still read YA). I actually preferred the Nancy Drew books because I hated how frequently the Hardy Boys relied on noticing scratches on door locks to tip them off that someone had used lockpicks. Guess what? I bought a new front door lock and handle when I bought my condo about two decades ago. The lock is scratched as hell, and looks like someone has been running a weekly lock picking class on it. Why? Because I frequently have to unlock the door in the dark, and don’t always get the key 100% perfectly lined up with the keyhole. So the tip of it hits the surrounding metal and leaves a scratch in it as I drag it towards the center of the lock. I don’t recall ever reading Nancy using that as a clue.

@PurpleDave said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:"I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again."

One of my favorite authors is Agatha Christie, and I've reread some of hers so many times that I would probably need to suffer memory loss for some of them to surprise me. On the other hand, when I was a kid, I'd read pretty much every Hardy Boys book I could find at every local library, and started reading Nancy Drew books (despite still being in my "girls are icky" phase) just to read mysteries I hadn't already read. My tolerance for rereading has obviously grown a lot since then."

We had a few of both collections growing up, so I read them all because they were books I hadn’t read, and they were not “grown-up literature” (this was early enough that I did still read YA). I actually preferred the Nancy Drew books because I hated how frequently the Hardy Boys relied on noticing scratches on door locks to tip them off that someone had used lockpicks. Guess what? I bought a new front door lock and handle when I bought my condo about two decades ago. The lock is scratched as hell, and looks like someone has been running a weekly lock picking class on it. Why? Because I frequently have to unlock the door in the dark, and don’t always get the key 100% perfectly lined up with the keyhole. So the tip of it hits the surrounding metal and leaves a scratch in it as I drag it towards the center of the lock. I don’t recall ever reading Nancy using that as a clue."

I'm reminded of Sherlock Holmes (I believe it was in A Study in Scarlet) deducing that the owner of a pocket watch must be a habitual drunk because of how many scratches there were around the hole for the winding key. The BBC series Sherlock updated this to a cellphone and scratches around the charging port.

@TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:"I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again."

One of my favorite authors is Agatha Christie, and I've reread some of hers so many times that I would probably need to suffer memory loss for some of them to surprise me. On the other hand, when I was a kid, I'd read pretty much every Hardy Boys book I could find at every local library, and started reading Nancy Drew books (despite still being in my "girls are icky" phase) just to read mysteries I hadn't already read. My tolerance for rereading has obviously grown a lot since then."

We had a few of both collections growing up, so I read them all because they were books I hadn’t read, and they were not “grown-up literature” (this was early enough that I did still read YA). I actually preferred the Nancy Drew books because I hated how frequently the Hardy Boys relied on noticing scratches on door locks to tip them off that someone had used lockpicks. Guess what? I bought a new front door lock and handle when I bought my condo about two decades ago. The lock is scratched as hell, and looks like someone has been running a weekly lock picking class on it. Why? Because I frequently have to unlock the door in the dark, and don’t always get the key 100% perfectly lined up with the keyhole. So the tip of it hits the surrounding metal and leaves a scratch in it as I drag it towards the center of the lock. I don’t recall ever reading Nancy using that as a clue."

I'm reminded of Sherlock Holmes (I believe it was in A Study in Scarlet) deducing that the owner of a pocket watch must be a habitual drunk because of how many scratches there were around the hole for the winding key. The BBC series Sherlock updated this to a cellphone and scratches around the charging port."

Yes, because everyone knows that every honest citizen has a 20 Dex, and it's only the criminals who are clumsy. One of the problems with trying to write believable clues in a mystery novel is when you start out with a person or a situation, and you're trying to come up with a clue that could tip someone else off, it might be difficult to consider all the potential alternate explanations that would lead the investigator _away_ from the conclusion you want them to reach.

@PurpleDave said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
" @PurpleDave said:"I do get the concept of rereading too soon. My favorite book by my favorite author is This Alien Shore by C.S. Friedman, and there’s a bit of a mystery at the core of the story. The last time I reread it, I couldn’t remember whodunnit, but the time before I knew exactly who was the primary antagonist. If I picked up again today, I still know generally who that individual is. I’d probably need to wait another five years or so if I want it to be a surprise again."

One of my favorite authors is Agatha Christie, and I've reread some of hers so many times that I would probably need to suffer memory loss for some of them to surprise me. On the other hand, when I was a kid, I'd read pretty much every Hardy Boys book I could find at every local library, and started reading Nancy Drew books (despite still being in my "girls are icky" phase) just to read mysteries I hadn't already read. My tolerance for rereading has obviously grown a lot since then."

We had a few of both collections growing up, so I read them all because they were books I hadn’t read, and they were not “grown-up literature” (this was early enough that I did still read YA). I actually preferred the Nancy Drew books because I hated how frequently the Hardy Boys relied on noticing scratches on door locks to tip them off that someone had used lockpicks. Guess what? I bought a new front door lock and handle when I bought my condo about two decades ago. The lock is scratched as hell, and looks like someone has been running a weekly lock picking class on it. Why? Because I frequently have to unlock the door in the dark, and don’t always get the key 100% perfectly lined up with the keyhole. So the tip of it hits the surrounding metal and leaves a scratch in it as I drag it towards the center of the lock. I don’t recall ever reading Nancy using that as a clue."

I'm reminded of Sherlock Holmes (I believe it was in A Study in Scarlet) deducing that the owner of a pocket watch must be a habitual drunk because of how many scratches there were around the hole for the winding key. The BBC series Sherlock updated this to a cellphone and scratches around the charging port."

Yes, because everyone knows that every honest citizen has a 20 Dex, and it's only the criminals who are clumsy. One of the problems with trying to write believable clues in a mystery novel is when you start out with a person or a situation, and you're trying to come up with a clue that could tip someone else off, it might be difficult to consider all the potential alternate explanations that would lead the investigator _away_ from the conclusion you want them to reach."

To be fair, he just said that the owner of the watch (or cellphone in the update) was a drunk, not a criminal.

@TheOtherMike said:
"To be fair, he just said that the owner of the watch (or cellphone in the update) was a drunk, not a criminal."

Uh huh, uh huh. So, to be fair, did the individual in question turn out to have any sort of criminal past? These were written at a time when being a drunkard would have gotten one labeled as someone with “poor moral character”, and at the very least treated as untrustworthy, if not an outright criminal. Unless you were nobility, I guess.

@PurpleDave said:
" @TheOtherMike said:
"To be fair, he just said that the owner of the watch (or cellphone in the update) was a drunk, not a criminal."

Uh huh, uh huh. So, to be fair, did the individual in question turn out to have any sort of criminal past? These were written at a time when being a drunkard would have gotten one labeled as someone with “poor moral character”, and at the very least treated as untrustworthy, if not an outright criminal. Unless you were nobility, I guess."

In the original, I don't remember, but I'm not sure that they came back into the story at all; the scene was just to show off Holmes' deductive skills.. In the update they were Watson's sister (or sister-in-law).