Frozen Ice Palace Reaches 10,000 Support

Rejected. ;)

Yeah, this has about as much of a chance as EVERY star wars thing that is on there unfortunatly.

I don't see it making it through, it's one of those that should really have been archived when the Ice Castle set was announced, TLG made their one at the scale they did for a reason, so I really doubt even trying to justify it by the scale would work.

I really want the disc world project to get through, but with TLG's passed decisions I'm not expecting it.

And it won't go anywhere, because its too similar to the official set.

This is just doomed to fail. There's a (mediocre) official set of the same location, and LEGO Ideas has never produced a set under an existing LEGO theme. It's a shame because it's a beautiful building. What surprised me is that the project wasn't removed immediately after the official set was produced.

I doubt this will go through, while it's a beautiful build, I think LEGO will go with scientific adventures as they wouldn't need any licencing to make it. Medieval market street is amazing, but it looks too big to be made as an ideas set.

Unsurprising, but as others have already said, no chance.

What is surprising is why this hasn't grabbed much support:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/65498

Come on people, it's Frozen-related, and it's awesome!

"Watch out for my butt!"

Yep... this will never be made as we already have a Frozen set in the Princess line. The scale and piece count is also too large for a Princess set.

- Medieval Market Street has too many pieces and will not be made
- The Discworld is too much of a specific set to be made and once again, too many pieces
- The Science Adventures is the most likely to be made as once again it has a few female figures and its also got a low piece count.

In addition, the immense amount of licensed themes being suggested is getting annoying, as Lego will just keep making licensed themes with only occasionally choosing fan-created designs. Those ideas sets that are getting through have piece counts that are way too high even for UCS sets.

^ I'm more annoyed by the avalanche of "put a dozen bricks in a dull vignette and add a female minifigure or the word 'female' in the title to get 3,000 votes in seven days" sets.

EDIT: Exaggerating for effect of course, but you get my point.

All of AlexP's MOCs are amazing, and Medieval Market Street is no exception.

I'm not that active on Ideas these days, so I had no idea it reached 10k. Does anyone know what helped give it the recent boost in support? It was languishing with just a few thousand supporters not that long ago, yet it went from 5k to 10k in a couple months. Was it featured on a popular website or something?

I'm still hoping his Drake's Head Inn can reach 10k. It's my personal favorite, and because of its smaller size would seem to have a better chance of production.

Perhaps I missed it, but did Brickset ever cover the announcement of WALL-E and Dr. Who making it as the next sets (after Big bang Theory) to be produced for Ideas?

https://ideas.lego.com/blogs/1-blog/post/26

^ http://brickset.com/article/14114/lego-ideas-2nd-review-of-2014-results-announced

^ Yes they did.

Another LEGO Ideas to be rejected. It seems that 90% of the Ideas will never be made no matter what (Like this) , 7% LEGO rejects and steals the Idea (Changing Seasons House, Helicarrier) and 3% get made.

To be fair, the Helicarrier would have been in development for a long time before that Idea got posted.

As for the programme, I'm amazed that some suggest it is a negative thing. It's called market research; every company does it, but Lego is doing it quite differently to most.

Given how long it takes TLG to develop sets I really don't thin that they steal stuff from Ideas, the Helicarrier is a prime example. that thing is bound to have been in development for ages. No matter how many times people claim that a set is 'stolen from Ideas' I won't believe it until someone can prove that's how it happened.

Agree with other the Medieval Market street is beautiful but will never be made by LEGO. Too big and not for a line that generates a lot of revenue at this time for LEGO.
Frozen castle , tons of supports but how many people would actually buy it and not say they will buy it? And as others noted, doing a creation where LEGO already has that set out in another form is just wasting time, Unless LEGO starts doing UCS Frozen stuff, which I doubt.
Discworld.. meh to an outsider.
As for 'Science Adventures' Small cheaper and looks 'vaguely familiar' to another set that drove a frenzy... hmmm.
Of all of these the one to be made is the 'Science adventures' one. soon to be AKA 'Research institute 2.0' .

I think people forget that LEGO wants simplicity. Medieval market street is a prime example of what NOT to do. You are not building for a MOC display at a convention. You are building in mind of having a LEGO set made. Small building(s), not on a giant plate or whatever that is, no cobblestones, etc. take all of that away and it seems like it is MMV 2.0, which LEGO already did. Again beautiful set, but really wrong for Ideas IMO.

LOL!!! "Steals the idea."

Setting aside the development time (the Helicarrier was obviously already in development before it was posted to Ideas), it's laughable to think that the SHIELD Helicarrier in LEGO is an idea that would only occur to one individual, and that LEGO is so clueless about Disney's Marvel assets that they would have to purloin that "idea" from a fan.

Let's drop the whole "LEGO stole this from Ideas." It's insulting to the LEGO designers and it makes us sound like morons.

Posted from the Ideas blog:

Tim Courtney
LEGO Ideas Team Moderator
1 week ago

I'll confirm this. The set 76042 "The SHIELD Helicarrier" was already under development before the Avengers Helicarrier project was posted to LEGO Ideas.

We anticipate that there will sometimes be overlaps between our pipeline and projects being suggested on Ideas, so the Guidelines and House Rules covers that possibility here: https://ideas.lego.com/guidelinesanchor-27

I love this model- I'd certainly buy a couple, if just for the parts!

^ British fantasy author Terry Pratchett ran into this problem years ago. He used to run a usenet group where fans could submit ideas and one day someone got it in his head that Pratchett had "stolen" his idea when it obviously takes months to get a novel from conception to publication at minimum.

But anyway: Frozen palace is rejected. It's not even safe to have a large structure made out of trans pieces.

Hello,

I agree with most of the reasons why some ideas have very little chance of ever being produced. What I disagree with is the approach people are taking regarding this fact. If everyone follow common sense while accepting these things as dogma, we end up with female vignette sets all over ideas and nothing else.

I support projects I like, regardless the size or theme. Despite of knowing that the odds are very bad, I support them with hard without saying how doomed that project is. Nothing positive comes from these negative assumptions anyway. Also the rules as well as peoples mind and companies approaches are changing with time - so may change the decision model being used in Lego Reviews.

With two Star Wars based projects submitted, I know very well that my chances with them are miserable. Still I'm very happy for each support and feedback in comments - except those which tells me that my projects are doomed in advance. Maybe lego designers get inspired and create similar sets on their own which I'd be happy enough with.

There will not be any lego ideas sets of this scale released we keep on seeing epic sets get rejected so they can produce 400 to 600 pc sets. Disappointing to say the least we should rig the next one to only have large sets for them to choose from.

I do find it quite coincidental that there are a number of sets that *happen* to coincide with recent, popular Ideas/Cuusoo sets... starting with that UCS Sandcrawler...

But there's absolutely no connection, of course.

(Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised if LEGO used Ideas to gauge interest in certain sets in already-existing themes. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just a bit... shady?)

Beautiful castle

I hate to admit it, but I already know Science Adventures will win out.

^ So if it supposedly takes LEGO only one year to bring a set from concept to shelf, as with the Helicarrier, they still needed two years for the Ultra Builds and three years for the Sandcrawler? I guess there's no statute of limitations on how old an Ideas project has to be before someone won't accuse LEGO of stealing.

There are probably tens of thousands of projects that have been posted on Ideas. Virtually anything LEGO releases will have been previously represented on Ideas at some point.

Besides, only LEGO's biggest licenses will ever get a UCS-sized release (for example, the Lord of the Rings' Tower of Orthanc, the Simpsons House, or the Star Wars UCS's). And Marvel superheroes obviously fits the "big license" category, especially with another billion-dollar Avengers movie about to come out.

But other than a Helicarrier, what else could they really have done? Can anyone name one other enormous, iconic vehicle in any of the Marvel movies? Or even some iconic play-environment like the Ewok Village? It's not a matter of stealing someone's idea, but that the idea is really obvious.

Hm, some very, very naive people need to realise that the various licence holders get to see the art direction plans, storyboards, props, costumes, models, scripts, and everything else long before the film opens in cinemas. Indeed, some may be able to INFLUENCE those things. Or do you think the LEGO designers, employed by the LEGO Group which paid a large sum of money for the rights to sell models of the IP, have to queue up at the cinema ticket booth to see what the film looks like before they can start thinking about sets?

And if that never occurred to you, then please come over here and bring your wallet because I have some magic beans you may be interested in buying.

Except of many other things, LEGO Ideas platform provides some kind of market and demand research data. Claiming that TLG stole anyones Idea out of LEGO Ideas is fundamentally incorrect - there is a note in terms of service (or house of rules) that by submitting an Idea, the creator agrees with TLG using it, regardless it's support or eventual succes in review. That means they are in right (and almost expected) to use it as source of inspiration - arbitrarily.

I'm not as confident as some of you that some of the coincidences metioned above are just coincidence. I can easily believe that lego decided to start (or pushed forward) some product's development according to succesful Ideas project - yet there's no evil in that at all. Thats my point of view.

I don't think they stole the helicraft idea, it's a smart move.

I find it interesting that Creator gets a changing seasons set later this year, right when there is a same thing on Ideas. There was also another too that just happen to get official sets right before the review. I bet there is some legal thing saying that once you post your Idea it becomes the idea of LEGO.

LEGO isn't some super god like many fans (Almost cult like members.) here might think.

Talking about supporting projects on Ideas, it would be worth supporting projects that do stand a chance, such as Ssorg's DC-3. With only about 600 more needed, take a look if you haven't already. Also HMS Challenger may get up once it hits 10k (and I'd say it will)

I dont understand this. Lego already released one.
Anyway, I really really really want lego to make the labryinth ball maze ideas set (sorry for mispelling, im in a rush) and I want the science adventures featuring male figures, no offense, but I wanted a version of the female one to have with male figures.

Anther example of why it makes no sense for Lego Ideas to continue allowing projects already based on a current I.P.s to continue throughout the process knowing that they are going to reject them...

Maybe swap in male heads if it bothers you? After all Lego figs aren't exactly detailed enough for more than a few subtle gender cues. I don't think for a moment that Lego have TOO many female mini figs, the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned.

Also, a sublime and beautiful idea that makes people weep with joy when they see it and performs verified miracles when built wont go into production if it requires 7000 pieces. I feel some people submit unrealistic builds that don't fit the remit, gorgeous as they might be.

Sure this made it just because of the popularity of the movies; can't see this being produced.

But, Diskworld! I want that!

Very nice project - glad for the creator that he made it to 10K. If you read the updates, he recognizes in a number of places that he doesn't think it has a chance of passing the review considering the official set was already released. He even encourages those who voted for the project to buy the official set. Sounds like a class act to me!

Not a chance of being made, I guess they don't cancel such projects because it gives the IDEAS some publicity from non-lego fans, and getting in built audiences of something else to think more about lego

^^ 7 Oops! I meant HMS Beagle. So many Royal Navy ships on Ideas I got mixed up. It's got about 3,000 votes in about two weeks, is a historical scientific project, and has no female minifigs. (historical accuracy), some projects do well without playing the female card.

On the topic of the Ice palace, as DarthWalle said, it was on Ideas before the official set was released. Looks pretty cool, but I think unlikely to be made with one version already available.

I love it. Such a shame that LEGO released their version - which may be a success - but I think it is a very poor version in comparison to this one. Can't we adults get this version. It's beautiful!

Diskworld? Seriously???!!!

Maybe LEGO can produce 1 Idea per year that the public votes on … line up the sets that didn't get through their process, and let us vote between them!

Just in a general view, .it has a very big chance to be rejected due to license conflict. But at the same time it's also a proof to show LEGO that they could have done Frozen as a 2013 product line. Hope that LEGO can make more Frozen sets (as an imdividual theme series) to fulfill fans' need.

Personally, I think this project creator waste a chance to make it pass by changing the characters from the official version. Although the snow monster is great and the castle is amazing, I think he could at least add Kristoff/Hans/army and change all of them into minifigures. As long as the targeted girls mostly got Elsa as minidoll, they would less likely want to obtain this set.

> Yep... this will never be made as we already have a Frozen set in the Princess line. The scale and piece count is also too large for a Princess set.

Sorry, I can't agree the latter saying. The standard should be that "the most pieces LEGO can use for any castle set". This project obviously uses fewer pieces than Orthanc Tower so why it can't be a product? Just because a princess lives here?

From my experience and from what I have heard from others, I would assume the Lego licensed people get a somewhat limited exposure to the content of movies before release. And what exposure they have, at least for any initial merchandising waves tends to be concept art and preliminary designs from early in the film process. General 24+ months prior to release. This is also stuff that typically becomes public within 6 months of the film's release.

As an example the Star Wars group working on The Force Awakens? Pretty much everything they have to work with can probably be condensed down into that trailer we have all seen. They likely have more detailed art and diagrams and costuming, but at heart the trailer probably sums it all up. They just got to see it a year ago. As we saw with The Hobbit and Iron Man films they don't get up to the minute briefings on final stuff. They get some early production stuff and have to work from there. I have heard from licensing people how annoying it can be. You get just enough info to ruin the movie for you, but not enough to actually tell you what is going on.

So does anyone know what prompted the Medieval Market Street's surge in support?

I think it got some front page exposure

^^That would really tick me off... let's say, one of my friends just went to see Deathly Hallows Part II and rattled off the list of everyone who died without actually describing the movie... I, hypothetically not having read the book, would be REALLY MAD!

Wait, if they only got the trailer to work with, explain what that mysterious $110 playset is? I think they got enough to make the vehicles and semi-accurate figs... Disney would be furious if they gave the Excalibur lightsaber a green blade or, say, the Inquisitor's hilt.