Lepin now ripping off AFOL designs

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Not content with plagiarising official LEGO models, Chinese clone brand Lepin has started to rip-off AFOL modular building designs as well.

The one shown here is 'Barnes & Noble and Starbucks Store' by wooootles which originally appeared on LEGO Ideas in 2013.

The back of the box shows two more, including RedCoKid's Apple Square University and International Hotel by lgorlando.

I wonder if this is in response to the LEGO law suit? I guess Lepin know that the designers of these sets are virtually powerless to stop them.

131 comments on this article

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By in United Kingdom,

Unbelievable.

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By in United Kingdom,

What an absolutely vile company.

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By in Poland,

And the worst is that the street on the back looks great... from distance at least.

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By in Netherlands,

How to anger AFOLs 101

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By in United States,

It was bad enough when LEGO stole people's Ideas, now Lepin is?! Disgraceful!

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By in Slovenia,

This really has to STOP.Lepin is seriously bad.

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By in Australia,

It's like LEGO copying Playmobil all over again!

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By in Germany,

Did anyone notice that the second building from the left (Apple Square University) has shrunk quite a bit in comparison to the original design, which was much larger, at over 7K pieces?

And I hate Lepin for doing this, even more so because I would love to have some if these MOCs, and buying them from Lepin now seems quite tempting, as it would be easier (and much cheaper) than bricklinking them. But as German customs is now starting to confiscate Lepin sets, though not all of them at the moment, the German market for Lepin will dry up eventually anyway.

But no matter, I have just yesterday satisfied the Lego nerd in me by buying my third Palace Cinema and my second Ferris Wheel, in addition to the Claas Xerion, the BBT Ideas set and the WV Toy Shop rerelease - the discounts at Kaufhof were just too tempting to pass up. The PC for example was only 95 Euro, all discounts considered. That's almost as cheap as if I bought the Lepin clone ;-)

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By in United Kingdom,

Honestly? Couldn't care less.

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By in United States,

Grimlock, you wouldn't be saying that if it was your MOC they were stealing.

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By in United States,

First off the creators of these designs have no legal rights to do anything. In China or anywhere else in the world. The language on the Lego Ideas site is very clear, once you submit your idea to Lego, they own it, 100% in perpetuity. So no one is stealing from the designers. They already surrendered their rights.

For the case of this model, it's an idea that Lego is never going to use and the creator made the instructions available through LXF files. So it's already out there. Is this really worse than stealing a Lego Modular?

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By in Belgium,

Wow this is lame.

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By in Serbia,

Okay, so basically now it isn't safe to share your MOCs on the internet with other LEGO fans. Great... :(

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By in United Kingdom,

This is great. Chances are, these sets would never be made by LEGO. If I designed these sets, I'd be over the moon that my design was now mass produced and in hundreds of homes. Ideas designers don't design because they're in it for the money, they do it for the love of the brick.

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By in United States,

I thought the same as planetmatt. If Lego didn't choose to make my design, I might (deep down inside) be a little bit happy that someone did. Although I totally agree it's stealing.

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By in United Kingdom,

I am sure you're right, planetmatt, but I'm also sure that these same Ideas designers *didn't* do it so that some scum in China could profit directly from their designs, with no say in the matter, no consultation and certainly zero recompense.
Lepin disgust me.

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By in United Kingdom,

wow, that's awesome.

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By in Russian Federation,

I don't think that's is SO bad. With lepin someone can actually buy new designs and play with it. So what? Original author never get any money for his design even if lepin don't duplicate them.

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By in United Kingdom,

I guess I should start copyrighting my designs :P

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By in Poland,

HAHAHAHA, If I was a creator of these I would feel proud :D

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By in Germany,

There are rumours these are sanctioned by the respective MOCcers.

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By in Australia,

Its bad enough they are flagrantly copying the modular concept, let alone individuals designs. Im shocked that some here in the comments are dismissing this as acceptable or assuming the designers would be proud to have their set used and profited from by a dishonest company. Im disgusted

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By in Canada,

I hope Lepin's factories burn to the ground.

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By in United States,

Truly horrible. That is so sad.

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By in United States,

@monki and I'm shocked at the absolute indignant attitude many people have about this practice. What are these designers owed? They surrendered the rights to their projects when they uploaded them on Lego Ideas. Then again when they open sourced the instructions. They are literally owed nothing. Lego owns the designs.

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By in China,

I'm from China, and I'm a big fan of lego. It's really a shame to see Lepin ripping off other AFOL's ideas. But the worst thing is that many Chinese young fans of brick toys don't have enough money to buy lego, so Lepin is a very cheap and good chioce for them. Though there're also many loyal Lego fans in China, a great number of young ones like students are supporters of Lepin.

I think one of the reasons why Lepin can exist is that the price of lego in China. The price is really really high compared to other countries'. Like in USA maybe a set is 59$, but the it is around 80$ in china.

I hate Lepin, it's bringing bad names to China, and it's destroying other Chinese brick brands which are struggling to survive with their original products.

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By in France,

Would probably buy one, as Lego will never produce them, and Bricklincking them would cost too much in time and parts gathering and shipping.

But designers should however be paid and, as Lepin will not, I guess I will have to see with them directly.

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By in United States,

I would be interested to hear wooootles' take on this, as s/he is the Lego Ideas designer. We are all presuming it was done without his/her knowledge, but you never know. As others have pointed out, if Lego can't/won't produce it, and someone else does, then that might not be such a bad consolation prize. The argument against Clone Brands is they steel Lego's investment in R&D. However, it's wooootles' R&D this time round. Although the "Creators" branding is clearly a rip-off.

Secondly, I'd love to hear a review from someone who's managed to get their hands on one. Antony Tomkins?

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By in United States,

Disgusting.

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By in Puerto Rico,

Where the creators getting something it would be understandable but as it stands they are also stealing Lego Creator brand, their pieces and they literally took away something from the Lego site that now belongs to Lego.

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By in Canada,

Some are under the impression that an idea submitted on Lego Ideas means they surrender their copyright. Unless Lego produces the set you retain copyright.

As for the others who are indifferent, you should feel ashamed. I had an idea on the site and I don't wish to have it copied by criminals who are profiteering from AFOLs designs. It just goes to show that they don't care about any laws. As for the people who love to say 'hey it's cheaper', if you can afford Lego, too bad. These knock offs aren't Lego and never will be. So stop acting like it's ok to buy these knock offs.

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By in United States,

@wodanis That is absolutely false.

"Should LEGO choose to no longer consider your ideas for production, by way of refusing your submissions to the site, deleting or archiving ideas you have submitted, or denying your ideas, all rights assigned to LEGO above remain assigned to LEGO for a period of three years, and the limited, revocable license granted to the Project Owner above remains in effect for the same three year period."

https://ideas.lego.com/terms

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By in Malaysia,

I don't know; if Lepin took one of my MOCs and mass-produced it to be sold all over the world, I'd feel pretty damn proud of myself.

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By in United States,

In this specific case the creator of the MOC released the files to the public for free. It isn't accurate to say that Lepin ripped him off.

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By in United States,

Yeah, it might be a nice consolation prize, but they're still criminals. I refuse to have anything to do with this company on moral grounds.

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By in China,

@fenix96130 I cannot agree more.It is a shame that honest brands barely breath in China while cheaters standing out.But you know it is always that price matter comes first.

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By in United States,

This is terrible! If only these companies could be held accountable.

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By in United States,

@PicnicBasketSam What specifically makes then criminals? It is not illegal to make Lego compatible bricks as the patent expired decades ago. They are not violating the Lego brand trademark either as they are using their own brand name (if there were really knockoffs they would be trying to sell them as Lego). The files for creating this build were released to the public for free by the MOC designer.

Just because this is unethical (by western standards) does not make it illegal.

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By in Netherlands,

Just wondering: what is the quality of lepin like?

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By in United States,

I designed the International Hotel and I can tell you I DID NOT sanction my design to anyone for commercial use. This wasn't a Lego Ideas model submission either. Some people say we should feel honored (quite frankly it feels gross, like an alien abduction)...I think the best way to honor someone is to give them credit for their creative work.

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By in United States,

Wow. So they have gone from stealing official Lego sets to stealing what FOLs build at home? What's next, Lepin? Are you going to start spying on FOLs just so you can copy whatever they build?

There is no bounds, it seems, to the things that these people come up with just to avoid getting sued to death. They're essentially picking on the weak now.

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By in United States,

The worst part is, I would actually want to buy them if they were sets.

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By in Belgium,

This is horrible. I'm so shocked any company would do this. I feel really sorry for the designers, they must feel used.

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By in United States,

What a filthy company. You are just showing how superior the Lego Group is. They actually have respect for people. Lepin, is just some back row cheap skate trying to cheat others of their work.

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By in Netherlands,

If a company shamelesly copies An Apple iPhone the are sued to death but now that it is Lego they rip off they can continue without any consequences. Unbe-f*cking-lievable.

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By in Australia,

How bizarre is all this, though?

Now I'm worried the next time I sit down to build something, there's gonna be a Chinese Lepin spy sitting across the street in an unmarked van, with binoculars and surveillance equipment.

The shame of it is, they *are* such gorgeous buildings. Mad props to the original designers. The university building (with the open atrium and floors that can all be reorganised?) is just amazing. The open atrium might be a workplace health and safety issue, but the point still stands.

But man, Lepin are organised at this copyright theft thing. The thing is ... what can anyone do to stop them? Serious question. Suing a Chinese company in China, I mean, that obviously ain't working. It was interesting to read that somebody upthread said that Lepin sets will get quarantined by German customs officers. I mean, that's really the only effective way to stop these things, and even then, it's not like there's a way to deal with the problem at the source.

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By in United States,

What makes me sick is all of the LEGO "fans" on here and Eurobricks that are excited for this crap. "I just bought the lepin Monster Fighters Haunted House
for super cheap and it's really awesome". We're all here for the love of LEGO!!! Clone brands and knock offs have NO PLACE on LEGO fan sites and forums.

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By in United States,

It isn't illegal to make LEGO-compatible bricks, it is not illegal to use material that isn't copyrighted (unless a design is copyrighted), but what's worse, is the amount of fanaticism that some of you have against Lepin, even saying "I hope Lepin's factories burn to the ground.", when that would mean poorly-paid people would either die in a burning building, or lose their jobs (hey, you care more about intellectual property than human lives, I get it).

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By in United States,

Whats the big deal?

This isnt anything new, Bootlegers made the hero factory style starwars figs from ideas.


These were all free publicly released LXF files. I see no difference from some one ordering all the parts needed and selling a kit on ebay.

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By in France,

Some of these sets are public . The authors published the file to copy their sets etc..

TLG rejects 95% of ideas projects ; Lepin use 10% of these 95%

Where is the problem ? Perhaps Lepin will offer all the lepin sets to the authors :)

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By in United States,

@josekalel Laws are different in different countries. What many of us are saying is that Lepin's practice is immoral. Your argument about the employees of this amoral company doesn't hold water. Using your logic you would also feel sorry for all the little people in the mob once the mob bosses were jailed. Unless the employees are enslaved they have chosen to work at this disgusting place and so can go down with them. And no one mentioned death except you.

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By in United States,

It's somewhat entertaining to see these main page comment sections rehash what was previously discussed in the forums 1-2 days prior.

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By in United States,

@The Green Brick Giant Not sure what you mean by LEGO stealing people's Ideas. The winners get paid royalties. And if you're referring to the Ghostbusters Firehouse Headquarters, the actual LEGO set is built completely differently from the Ideas submission. The techniques used are different, and the way it opens is different as well. As far as superficial similarity, they're both based on the same source material, so of course they're going to share a resemblance. It's the creator's "fault" for submitting a build based on a licensed IP LEGO was already producing at the time.

In regards to this development, hopefully the ripping off of not only LEGO designs, but also AFOL designs will open more eyes to design violations.

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By in United Kingdom,

Not sure where I stand with this one. I've made my own winchester pub from Shaun of the dead and honestly couldn't care if anyone chose to copy it, I sold my planet express and likewise not bothered if the buyer claims it as his own design. There is clearly a market for clone brands and these are not 'cheap' and nasty bricks, the quality is high (sorry but is is it's 95-98% as good as lego). I've just saved £90 buying a bela branded 'supreme hero's 'set and quite franckly need the money for more important things. Lego has also been guilty of 'borrowing' ideas in the past wasn't there a fuss about the haunted house when it was released? Looking like a moc.

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By in Singapore,

Hate to say it, but...they do look great! And unlike LEGO in Asia (25-30% more), are somewhat affordable to the local audience. Oppose fakes...yet, these should be THE wake-up call to LEGO to reduce their prices.

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By in United States,

Plagiarism left unchecked negatively impacts how we share ideas with each other. If you enjoy building with Lego, you're affected. Here's hoping Lego's legal team shuts them down one day.

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By in United Kingdom,

All those people who think that the unauthorised for-profit use of these AFOL designs is OK might want to read lgorlando's comment above. His design has been used to create one of these sets without his permission, and he's clearly not okay about it....

I actually wonder how many of those dismissing the importance of this have ever created anything meaningful themselves, be it LEGO or anything else. If they did I suspect they might feel differently if it was their invention being used by others without permission.

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By in France,

could that be bad for Lego Ideas?

and wow, so lepin can do impressive models than lego wouldn't dare trying. what happens if lepin rips off the UCS AT-AT for example? people will be like, lepin can do better and less expensive?

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By in Philippines,

^Nuke that company from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. Oh, and pull out from making bricks in China.

Yes, good to see these get realized somewhat, but's kinda like making a clone human. It's a good human, 98% good human, but there's 2% bad bits that would make it a reject.

And yes, we lament LEGO's pricing sometimes, but even if we say that Lepin's prices show the ideal pricing of a TLG-made set in a perfect world, it doesn't really justify their means.

Just... just... just... there's probably a way to fire one of China's own nukes and make it a misfire.

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By in United Kingdom,

One reason that clone brand sets are cheaper is that the manufacturers aren't paying the huge premium to the likes of Disney etc. for the use of their I.P.. Then there's all of the quality control and compliance-related costs to ensure that the bricks/stickers are safe and non-toxic, not to mention the costs associated with creating a safe working environment for the workforce etc. etc. - it's a long list.

I'd also add that a UK eBay search for some of the clone brand LEGO copies reveals that they're being sold for surprisingly high prices, presumably because importers are getting a huge cut; some of the retired modular copies are more expensive than the original LEGO RRP....

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By in United States,

Although this company's theft of Lego intellectual property is absolutely abhorrent, as is the general Chinese approach to copyrights, I have to admit that I'm a bit conflicted over this. If Lepin makes sets based on ideas that Lego will not produce, and that there is a demand for, is it really such a bad thing? Lego has really been dropping the ball on some of the ideas submissions lately. The failure to produce The Little Prince and HMS Beagle are especially annoying from my point of view. If this company produced either, I would gladly purchase them (assuming the quality is reasonable). It could provide Lego with added incentive to stop ignoring popular Ideas submissions, or at least provide an alternative means of getting popular Ideas to market. Don't get me wrong, though,I'd rather pay more and get an official Lego set whenever possible.

Actually, if Lepin opened their own "ideas" site, it might work out well for them in the long run. They get new ideas that aren't direct copies of existing products, and someone else does the design and marketing. If, for example, they guaranteed production of any model with 10,000 votes or more, people might be tempted to submit there instead, where the hard work won't end up being ignored the vast majority of the time.

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By in United States,

^ you know, your last point is a pretty good one. I'm guessing at least SOME good moccers out there would submit designs to this kind of non-LEGO venture if it meant they were getting paid/recognized when their designs were chosen for manufacturing. And it would completely put a company like this in the clear from a legal/ethical perspective.

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By in United Kingdom,

@DrDaveWatford

There is no protection for set designs end of. If you try to introduce one you will destroy the entire hobby and that's not something I'm keen on to keep a few set designers happy. I'd like to see an end to emotive arguments about the rights of a few and an examination of the law and why for a start physical assemblies of parts that form a design are not protected from a historical perspective. And why noone wants to have to fill out a license agreement everytime they build a set someone else made first.

At the same time its fine for the community to push back and call out Lepin's bad behaviour by ourselves, just don't ask for unneeded law, aside from its unworkableness the last thing I want to see is every rights organisation globally turning on the lego community.

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By in United Kingdom,

@drdavewatford So only those who have contributed to the zeitgeist can have an opinion on the matter of copyright?

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By in United Kingdom,

As a MOCer I fully sympathize with the original designers on this issue especially if there is a lack of consultation. I expect that modular themed MOC's is only the beginning, just waiting to see some more very good builders in the community having their models ripped off too.

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By in United States,

@andrew85 it's already begun. I found out months ago that my design was in production from a Hong Kong website dedicated to getting mocs, ldd models and ideas submissions manufactured in China and sold on alibaba. I won't link to the site but Lepin has their eye on quite a few popular designers that are regularly featured on brothers-brick, bricknerd, brickshelf, rebrickable, mocpages, and eurobricks (like I said it was like witnessing a body snatcher event!) I'm afraid the genie is out of the bottle and there is no shame in it apparently.

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By in United Kingdom,

@curious. Exceptionally well put.

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By in United Kingdom,

As for a slightly more positive idea about what could be done, I would like to see LEGO put more support into the legitimate MOC sites that share the profits with the designers. Whether this is a return to LEGO selling fan made sets or just selling inventory cheaply to other sites it doesn't matter. If the community has the option to buy MOCs legitimately in bulk they will go for it. They should also think seriously about selling official sets that have been retired, theres no reason LEGO themselves can't profit by putting them back on sale. This I think is the best course for combating Lepin who represent areas of the market LEGO is not effectively serving right now.

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By in United States,

For those saying this is illegal, I don't think model designs built of Lego bricks are covered by copyright law the same way a song or movie would be.

I do know if it were my model, I think I'd feel a curious mix of flattered and annoyed. If the idea was rejected by Lego already, I might even go so far as to plug the set. Sure, I wouldn't make any money off it, but just to know a set I designed was being mass produced and put into peoples' hands, that'd be kind of cool. I've read Lepin's bricks are pretty decent quality, but the minifig faces can be rather atrocious.

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By in United States,

Fairly certain that this falls under some sort of intellectual property laws in the US. I believe it the same reason why you cannot buy someone's instructions they created and try to sell them as your own on eBay. I'm guessing it is also why LEGO explicitly states the design is theirs, not yours, when you submit to their site. If there really was nothing wrong with using a design that you gave LEGO I'm not sure that would be in their terms and conditions for submitting ideas to their site.

In general, I have a problem with a company that takes shortcuts instead of paying for designers in order to get a quick buck by stealing designs, and also the press that comes with it. If Lepin was really that good (and by some accounts their quality is not bad), then they should find a designer and come up with their own ideas.

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By in United Kingdom,

@iconoclass there could be many reasons those two ideas never passed, but both of them would be covered by copyright of some sort. So again any lepin versions would still be no good.

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By in United Kingdom,

There is a simple way to justify owning one of these LEPIN Creators sets.
Send a Paypal royalty payment to the designer's email address ......
If you are feeling generous you could even send the designer the same amount as you paid for the set.
It would still be cheaper than Bricklinking the Lego to build the set.

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By in United Kingdom,

So, were the instructions for this set freely available?

I've never really taken much interest in these clone brands but a quick search on ebay reveals a whole world of sets that are no longer in production and cost a small fortune now. The obvious stand out is a copy of 10179 - around £230 compared with £3000-5000 for the original.

Has anyone ever bought the Lepin version?

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By in United States,

Bad Lepin go to your room!!!

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By in United Kingdom,

@madforLEGO arrangement of LEGO pieces are not legally protected anywhere and for good reason. What LEGO has are Trademarks on its logo, theme names etc. Patents on the basic design of the LEGO brick (but this has previously been established to not prevent people making compatible bricks, but so far it seems LEGOs patented design is the best). They have copyright on set boxes and instruction manuals. The Movie studios etc have been creeping their own IP protection and they have convinced some courts that specific characters and settings are protected by copyright, thats a ridiculous overextension of IP law but not hugely relevant here (Disney could sue Lepin over their Star Wars rip offs but China is far more likely to ignore this as spurious than Trademark disputes).

Nothing covers an arrangement of bricks because we would all be criminals for failing to check if a particular design we built was previously licensed.

Lepin is in court for flagrantly infringing Trademark and trying to confuse people into thinking their sets are official and they should be punished for this. They are not in court for using set designs and nor should they be.

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By in United States,

I think this is actually a good thing. Those were ideas that were rejected by Lego. Why not let someone else make it into a product.

If I was a AFOL designer and my item was rejected, this would be the next best thing to could happen. That way my idea does not get forgotten in time.

And as a fan of the Ideas concept, this would be the only easy way to get a model that I supported but would never make it on the store shelves as a Lego product.

I see this as a "win" for everyone....

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By in United States,

@curious. the configuration of lego bricks used a medium to construct an original composition could be argued that the creation is indeed a work of art and is protected by copyright and is therefore IP in the same way that oil paint configured on canvas, pencil configured on paper, musical notes configured on instruments are all protected from commercial use without the artists explicit consent. In other words, you can build, paint, play whatever you want but as soon as you use the "composition" to make a profit, you violate IP. Lepin is violating these "artists" rights by retailing their compositions for commercial use and Lepin should cease and desist immediately. If anything Lepin could make the case to design their own derivative models using inspiration but outright copying brick for brick without consent is unjust and sleezy.

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By in United Kingdom,

Trying to bend copyright law to cover LEGO sets is a bad idea. Copyright makes no distinction between commercial and personal infringement. Largely thanks to the big studios. Criminalising Lepin would criminalise everyone who wanted to bricklink the parts for a set they haven't licensed, every set they built that happened to be been built by someone else first. It would be nice if copyright only punished commercial infringment but it doesn't right now, until its fixed it should not be extended and I would be extremely active in opposing any attempts to do so.

I would have to dust off and do some reading but copyright is specifically limited to not cover certain things that would be too open to abuse like tables of contents, specific arrangements of things etc.

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By in United Kingdom,

The real sad thing is that this company would not exsist if there were nobody out there willing to buy the fake crap! Same goes for all the fake goods!

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By in Spain,

I wonder if they steal only mocs made in LDD. I post videos building all my MOCs as instructions (with physical bricks) because I do not use LDD.

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By in Australia,

@Venunder if Lepin stole one of my MOCs, and then I received money from someone who bought it as "compensation," I'd be furious. Not only is Lepin still profiting off of my idea, people have bought it, showing Lepin that stealing other's ideas will make them money. Not to mention that someone thought it was okay to pay me for my stolen product. I didn't give permission to Lepin to sell my product, I didn't give permission to you to buy my product.

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By in United States,

@whomever is okay with this: Copying LEGO licensed products directly like that is not legal, so while this is merely unethical, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them even if they did actually turn out an original design. Let me put it this way: Let's say a Chinese company called Mapple decides to start making bootleg iPhones, or MyPhones. That's not legal, or at the very least ethically wrong. Then they turn out a new phone made with bootleg iPhone components, off of, let's say, an unofficial/rejected sketch model, calling it the next MyPhone. Is this OK? Because if you (correctly) think that that's not okay, it's the same thing happening here. With LEGO instead of smartphones.

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By in United States,

Actually all this talk about copyright... does not apply at all to MoC.

Unless there has been a copyright/patent granted on that item...

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By in United Kingdom,

curious and copperwonder96, In the UK, an arrangement of bricks is protected by design rights under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. Design rights subsist in 3D objects and 2D representation of 3D objects and work in a similar way to copyright but don't last as long, currently 15 years. MOCs are protected under the Act.

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By in Canada,

All these people saying "I would be honored if Lepin stole my idea". I would NOT be honored but would be outright upset if anybody produced any of my MOC sets without my consent, including LEGO. I would want my royalties for my intellectual property (it is my design after all). I do not give away my LDD files but instead I sell them!

Are the owners of Lepin so stupid that they are incapable of coming up with their own original designs? It's not rocket science.

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By in Australia,

The series 9 judge was my idea and TLG didn't give me any credit for it, but I knew that would be the case beforehand. I was just happy that my judge was available and people all over the world (including me) were enjoying it. These MOCers are showing their designs to the world for other people to admire; they're not trying to make money out of it, so shouldn't they feel proud just like I did that their designs are being taken seriously and being enjoyed by lots of people?

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By in United States,

Im not entirely sure this is true but, doesn't lego own the rights of the creations posted to lego ideas. If so then lego can use that against this malicious brand if not oh well.

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wow $36
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$60
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By in Australia,

Honestly - horrified that that this has occurred.
Lego has at least the power and the money to take Lepin to court - this is blatant theft of a creative idea by individuals who do not have the same means.

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By in Canada,

@Huey1, just curious, how was the judge idea used by them? Did you make an example piece for the internet, or send them the idea?

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By in Canada,

^ huey1 is all hot air. That Judge hairpiece never existed before series 9, and has never been used since either. LEGO never stole his idea! And yes lots of people give away their MOC LDD files, but lots of people charge for their LDD files. I have some that are FREE, but I sell others. Regardless, I would not want LEGO, Lepin, or anyone else copying my idea, but would expect them to come up with their own ideas

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By in Australia,

willobee, I started a thread on Lego's forum, asking for a judge and describing a design. 6 months later, series 9 came out and the judge featured all of the details mentioned.

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By in Canada,

Huey1 - LEGO creates all their stuff approximately 2 years prior to release to the public. If your Judge request on the forum was a mere 6 months prior to series 9, I hate to break it to you - but the series 9 Judge would have been created approximately 18 months prior to your suggestion and was likely already being shown at trade fairs etc. when you made your suggestion on LEGO forum. That is why you never got credit from LEGO - It was not your idea!

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By in United Kingdom,

Huey1 claiming the judge was his idea - bless - will now be used by The Green Brick Giant as further 'proof' that Lego steal ideas.

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By in Singapore,

I love all the comments on this thread. This level of engagement is inspiring me to write a LinkedIn Pulse on the same topic, to take the discussion, more....mainstream. While I believe in IP protection, my point is that LEGO is: 1) overcharging (especially in Asian markets) and 2) losing it's creative edge when it comes to multiple properties. While I do not condone LEPIN's tactics, I hope they hurt the LEGO brand, just enough, for them to 1) reduce their pricing strategy and 2) stop taking their loyal customers for granted with lazy sets, such as: UCS Hoth & Death Star...

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By in Ireland,

The Chinese are a great bunch of lads.

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By in Australia,

Since Lego will not relese it, if someone is selling it, then I will buy it. I will say: thank you Lepin for fullfill some of my dream collections in retired Lego sets, Green Grocer, Cafe Corner, Market Street, UCS Millennium Falcon, Taj Mahal and Grand Carousel. Next on my shopping list is: Porsche 911 GT3RS, Ghostbuster House and Disney Castle. Woah, just imagine the money I can save from them. Keep up with the good jobs, Lepin. Time for Lego to rethink about their pricing strategy . By the way, you guys have no rights to judge others by using your so called high moral standards.

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By in Germany,

^^best comment so far. :)

Lepin's quality is not the same as Lego's. But if you are a collector who wants to have a complete street of architecture sets, you cannot pass by them unless you are willing to fork over 3000$ if you missed Green Grocer and Café Corner. And I still do not comprehend why Lego does not reproduce old sets that are quite clearly in demand. And as a parent, you can all of a sudden afford the sets for your kids which you had to tell them were too expensive before. It is not like most parents are willing or able to fork over 400$ for a Death Star come Christmas, especially if you have more than one.
But as stated before - the problem is not the bricks, the problem is the copying of the design. Lego design is great, but I am pretty sure if they took some time and people it would be easy for them to create own designs, too. Copying Mocs is kind of funny, in a way even innovative, a quick and dirty version of Ideas. If they do the Winchester I might even be tempted myself, bricklinking that one is a pain.

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By in Denmark,

I do not understand the fuss.
I would be proud if Lepin or some other 'crocked' manufacturer made my alternates available as a retail set. Especially if LEGO Ideas already has rejected the build.
I have made 150 builds/alternates in 2 years. All with LDD. Available via mocpages and rebrickable. And via the new russian site http://legko-shake.ru/ . They have ripped all the content from rebrickable. I do not care. I just want my builds to be shared.
LEGO Ideas has made 14 sets available for retail. With only 1 from the latest batch. What are the odds for your build coming alive! Please Lepin, use my builds!
Per, Denmark

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By in China,

Lego will be DEAD! There will be no competition with Lepin if you all gonna buy Lepin! Why buy a $100 Lego set when you can wait for an exact set for $10? Lego will be DEAD! and you Lepin lovers are all murders! Sure, when Lego is dead, Lepin will be dead too, but no worries, it will switch to other toys to copy, and make more money out of it, happy Lepin, Sad you AFOL, if you really think love Lepin is okay, that's what you gonna get!

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By in France,

Please Lego do something.

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By in United States,

@Tehuri - The Lego Group is, in fact, taking Leping to court in China. This was announced a week or two prior to the discovery of this particular set.

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By in United States,

So, if these designs were submitted as LEGO Ideas project, then I thought that LEGO kind of owns the rights to these. If so, doesn't this just become "more ammunition" for LEGO's lawsuit against LEPIN? It might not be their primary evidence of infringements, but it certainly seems like a lot of "bonus content" for their lawyers to use if it ever comes to that.

I think it sucks that someone's IP is being stolen, but it's happening thousands of times all over the globe, every day. So long as we have weak enforcement avenues, nothing is going to change.

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By in United States,

I agreed with Mickitat. One way Lego can really deal with this clone copycat China issue is to release old set such as Cafe Corner, improved the interior, and sell it again. If I have a choice to buy a fake Lepin Cafe corner for around $100 US, compared to $160 for a Lego Cafe Corner; it is an easy choice for everyone to make, and could put Lepin out of business.

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By in Austria,

If I own Lepin and these manufacturing capability to produce Lego like bricks with similar quality (it is no where a simple facility, although you guys complain only about IP), I will pay a licence fee to freelance designers of these non official Lego designs, and produce a great amount of them to market as an interesting alternative to Lego. This can be seen as original creation and yet it is official. Cheaper, and similar in brick quality. That is called competition and it is required to avoid monopoly.

Of course the above did not happen, and back to the topic, the act of Lepin copying IP is something I do not agree with.

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By in United States,

My 2 cents, Lego was first and foremost a toy line for children. Now here we are today and over time the Lego AFOL Community has evolved the toy line into a investment portfolio.

Now copying Lego box art needs to stop, but there is a market for affordable brick toys.

I also read on another board where some of these Moc'ers were flattered to see that their creations had made it to retail shelves, I for one would be.
I am a designer and when you submit ideas you give your rights away, you don't get a % of sales, if your lucky you get a pat on the back and maybe some type of small bonus. The reason we do it though is the satisfaction of sharing an idea and others enjoying too. It's not about the money.

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By in United States,

I wouldn't be suprised if Lepin take the Lego Idea Fish house (Lego just announced) and release a set before Lego does. These clone maker are hungry, and have plenty of man-power to do it.

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By in Canada,

@perbonde

If Lepin came to us MOCers and specifically asked our permission to release our sets, I would be fine with this. Some people would say "yes" and others would say "no". Even if Lepin said to us that releasing our set comes with nothing more than "set designed by [name]" in the instruction manual (no royalties etc.), I would still be fine with that. My complaint against Lepin is that they are NOT getting our permission to produce our sets.

Again, I think Lepin should design their own sets and make sets that would make LEGO jealous that they didn't think of it first if they want to give LEGO a run for their money. Please Lepin, quit stealing other people's ideas and come up with ideas of your own!

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By in Hong Kong,

This is China

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By in United Kingdom,

Does anybody have any experience with lepin products? What's the quality like? Do their sets have missing pieces etc?
I know this isn't going to be popular and I am not condoning what lepin are doing but I am severely tempted by their UCS falcon, cafe corner and green grocer modulars. The only reason is that these are sets I really want and they are now selling for ludicrous money on the secondary market. I wonder normally succumb to copy cat brands but £2K for the UCS falcon? WTF?
I think that it is a real shame that Lego is being spoilt and corrupted by the investment market, the only way to take down companies like lepin is for Lego to rerelease the most sought after sets that are fetching silly money on the secondary market, also, Lego need to do like they did with 10188 and now 75159 is keep sought after collectible sets on the market for longer in an attempt to crush this secondary market so that everybody who wants one gets the chance without being ripped off by investors.

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By in United States,

^ there's an entire thread in the forum about this. Several have posted thoughts on lepin quality

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By in New Zealand,

Nice one. Nice to see some variety, even if it isn't an official set from Lego. Good job.

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By in Belgium,

just finished my Lepin (10224) city hall and it looks amazing, not that premium feeling (they dont ship the box) but it only cost me 66€ incl shipping

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By in Saudi Arabia,

If I am to choose between a 100$ set designed by Lego and the exact same set of Lepin in 50$ or less, I would choose Lego all the way. I grew up playing with Legos, using Lego brand.
From what I saw from Lepin, coppying all Lego sets and now stealling, I am sorry, but I don't buy from crooks

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By in Germany,

This is not about a 100$ vs a 50$ set problem. It is a 50$ vs a 1500$ set problem, in the case of Green Grocer or Cafe Corner. Would I buy a Nexus Knights set from Lepin? Certainly not. Would I buy a Green Grocer from Lepin? Yes. Would I rather pay 100$ more if that Green Grocer was re-released by Lego? Certainly, yes.

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By in United States,

Everyone needs to keep in mind that Lepin's primary market is China. For every set that is sold to an AFOL through aliexpress there are a thousand sold within China. This idea that Lego should re-release old sets as a way to stop Lepin isn't going to do much. If Lego wants to stop Lepin then they have to compete with Lepin in China and to do so Lego will have to drop their prices in China which I just don't see happening.

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By in United Kingdom,

I had no idea what Lepin was and had never considered buying one until I saw Brickset post not only artilcles about them, but links to their items with all of the purchase information.

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By in China,

lepin is so shameless just like a group of sluts

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By in Canada,

Oh come on Lepin, this is outrage!

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By in Saudi Arabia,

If Lepin wants to be competitivw with Lego, they should create sets and themes from their own, its ok to have Pirates, A medeival theme, City etc... As long as its from their own designs and names, not stealing others.

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By in China,

Disgusting.

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By in United States,

Clearly one of the ways Lepin saves money is by stealing the designs of others rather than coming up with original designs.

:-P

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By in United Kingdom,

I recently bought a Lepin set. The Grand Emporium to be exact. The reason I bought this was for a test, it was $60 including postage (which took just over two weeks), and was of a set that Lego do not wish to make anymore. Now people say that it's criminal that Lepin are producing sets that Lego don't, and yes the design is stolen from them, although there is a slight difference. In this case I would agree that them taking the design is certainly wrong, but for all we know they may be in talks with Lego to produce retired sets and what is read on the internet could be wrong. I doubt it, but I don't know - I am a customer purchasing a set from a seller. If Lego do succeed in stopping them that's is good, but hopefully it will open their eyes a bit more to the huge demand there is for discontinued sets.

Personally I would rather spend $60 on a set and get it new rather than spend £300 to £1,500 to get one from someone who has bought it to rip me off. How many of these people on ebay (or wherever) who sell Lego sets years after they go out of production for 500% profit declare their earnings and pay the correct amount of tax?

I will continue to buy genuine Lego, and at the end of the month will be a Brick in Birmingham with the Official Ferris Wheel in my hands, but if Lego won't produce the set I want, I am going to pay the best price I can get. A quick look at the top of this page tells me I have 1,103 genuine Lego sets and now I have 1 Lepin set - I know it's not a true set but Lego doesn't make what I want any more.

Going back to my recent purchase. The set arrived on Monday in half of a box (from a different set?) with the pieces in the normal type of bags and foodbags. The baseplate is a full plate think, which in my personal opinion is better than the ones that Lego do themselves. The bricks are of good enough quality generally. I thought the transparent pieces were a little cloudy, but still acceptable. The flowers sadly did not stay on the stalks and I was missing the door insert, but had an extra window insert. I have bought Lego sets with missing pieces (the Artic Base had a minifig head missing) so I can't complain when I got almost 2,500 pieces for $60. Also I once got a mis-moulded piece in a Star Wars set. Lepin have however, adjusted the design of the skylight which uses 8 lorry windows rather than Lego's four and you get four 2x2 plates to lift the height to make up for this - it's hardly noticeable. Overall I am happy with it. Also you get to make your minifigs - build the arms and legs etc - so more building!

I will continue to buy official Lego sets whilst they are on sale, but if I want a discontinued set I will go to who has the best price. Hmmm £50 for a set which will go nicely with my modulars or £500 a set. The first option leaves me £450 to spend on Lego and I get the modular I wanted. This equates to 90% of the money I was going to spend going to Lego and 10% going somewhere else rather than 100% of my money going to someone who only spent 20% of that value on Lego.

With these MOC designs. I understand that people are not happy their design has been used but I am very tempted to get a couple. I am moving house soon and I plan to extend the back of the new house for an office/Lego room. My layout won't be as good as Jang's, but I will be aiming high. These sets would help get lots of bricks for a good price.

Many years ago, when I was on minimum wage, I emailed Lego and asked if they could put expiry dates on their sets to aid with my (and other peoples) budgeting. The response was not great, but I still think it would help - although probably just enable the "lovely people" out there who rip us off more chance to buy up all the old stock at the end of it's life.

Nothing will beat the enjoyment of a true Lego set.

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By in United Kingdom,

I'm saddened that people here are considering buying / have bought these sets. As has been pointed out, the original designers may be flattered to have had their creations made by someone but they have been made by effectively a criminal gang who stole these designs from Lego who now own them (even if they chose to never make them). Buying these sets is giving money to a bunch of people that don't deserve it and encouraging them to keep stealing from everyone they can. Hopefully Lego will be supported by the courts in China and be able to take all the profits these sets make. Would be great to then see them share some of that back with the original designers and yes I realise I'm now in dreamland......

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By in United Kingdom,

I'd never even heard about this clone company until reading about them on here. I've done some research since and it seems the quality of these sets is generally pretty good with a few reports of a few pieces being missing (I've also had genuine Lego with missing pieces).
Undoubtedly what this company is doing is wrong and Lego are right to try and stop it but this kind of thing is rife in China so probably won't succeed.
I am not a purist, I am a hobbyist who enjoys building (I even have some mega bloks in my collection!!!). The only sets I'm interested in are ones which are now discontinued, for everything else I'd still buy from Lego themselves. Who in their right mind wants to give a so called investor £2,000 for a UCS falcon or £500-£1,000 for a modular building when you can buy a clone which is almost as good for a fraction of that? To me these investors are doing worse than lepin are, they are stockpiling genuine Lego with the sole intent of mugging Lego fans off by charging extortionate prices when they are retired.
As I said, lepin shouldn't be doing this but that's legos problem not mine, in a way Lego only have themselves to blame when they outsourced some of their own manufacturing to China, they opened themselves up to this knowing what China is like. As far as I'm concerned if I can get some of these older sets which are almost as good as the originals at a bargain price who am I to complain?
I know what I am saying isn't going to be very popular but I'm not rich so can't afford the prices on eBay for things like cafe corner and green grocer but does that mean I should do without these great sets, especially if I can get unofficial versions at affordable prices? Lego are a huge multi million pound company who I don't think are in any threat from this small bootleg company and I will always support them and buy all other sets from them but I am being tempted by the stuff Lego don't make anymore and in the case of the AFOL designs, never will.

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By in United States,

Lepin is a BUTT!

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By in United States,

This copycat culture date back thousands of years and that is the difference between western culture and eastern culture. The west believe in innovation and ideas, and the east believe in why re-invent the wheel. It is happening all over, in high tech industry (mobile phone, PC..) and now happening in entertainment and toys industries also..

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By in United Kingdom,

easy fix , lets just copy chinese designs and recreate them in lego

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