Review: 40501 The Wooden Duck

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40501 The Wooden Duck is the first in a new series of limited edition sets that will be available exclusively at the LEGO House in Billund, Denmark. It's priced at 599DKK ($90 / £70) and, now that the House is re-opening next week, it will not be available from LEGO.com.

It was designed by Stuart Harris, Senior Experience Designer at the LEGO House, who made the original sketch model, and Jme Wheeler, a well known and respected AFOL who joined LEGO as a designer last year. It's his first on-the-shelf set.


Box and contents

The box is of the flap-top variety so doesn't need to be destroyed on opening. The front proclaims that this is set 1 and is limited edition. I suspect what that means is that once the initial production run has sold out, no more will be produced.

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The back shows the new duck with the original one that inspired it. Over the course of its lifespan the wooden duck was produced in a variety of colours, some hand painted and some spray-painted. The dark red version was considered to be the most iconic which is why the new one is that colour.

A photo on the back also shows that the duck's beak moves up and down as it's pulled along.

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Lifting the lid reveals the contents.

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6 numbered bags and another bag of large parts, not shown.

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The single instruction manual contains information about the LEGO House and the original wooden duck as a preface to the building steps.

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Construction

Construction begins with the dark blue base. Unusually for a System set, with the exception of the head, the model is built in odd-numbered widths: the base is seven-wide.

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Underneath, the cam that drives the mechanism to move the duck's beak can be seen. The one on the rear axle is not used.

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The core of the duck is three-wide and contains parts in a myriad of colours. I asked Jme about that at yesterday's press conference. We know why they are different (to make them easier to find and the model easier to build) but not why such a range of bright and random colours are used. His reply was that rather than use greys, blacks and colours that appear everywhere else, he wanted to brighten it up and make it more fun to build.

The aqua, coral, orange, sand green, lime, light blue and medium azure pieces certainly brought a smile to my face!

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The dark red back and chest of the waterfowl are added to the core and I suspect many of you will comment on the range of dark red hues visible in this picture. To be honest, I did not notice until I looked at the photos which make it look far worse than it does in normal light.

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The head is attached to a Technic assembly that fits into a hole in the neck. The eyes are printed and are unique to this set.

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With the side of the head removed, the mechanism that drives the moving beak is exposed. The cam on the wheel pushes the white Technic beam up which in turn pushes the top half of the beak up, which is hinged around the red axle.

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The dark blue and white markings on the otherwise dark green and black wings add some visual interest. It's disappointing that they are not angled, like on the original, but it was explained yesterday that doing so would have led to the wings being less-sturdy and harder to build.

The wings are attached to the body using Technic pins, which keeps then build simple yet secure.

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Attaching the wheels and string completes the duck. The wheels include a red 4x4 round plate with hole in the middle which is new in this set. (They'd be ideal for Huwbot's head!). It's one of four unique parts in it: the eyes, the name tile and 1x2 Technic plate in bright orange are the other three.

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As it's pulled along the beak opens once per wheel revolution. It makes a loud and satisfying snap sound when it drops!

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The duck is finished but the build is not over yet: It also comes with a cool display stand, which features two printed tiles 'The wooden duck', which is unique to this set, and 'The LEGO House'

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The completed model

The duck can be positioned securely on top of the stand but removed easily for play.

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Overall the duck itself measures 22cm long by 18cm high, so it's a fair size and bigger than I was expecting.

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Verdict

It would not be a faithful reproduction of a wooden duck without a moving beak. The mechanism here works perfectly and will delight anyone who sees it, young or old.

I suspect that today's kids are probably a bit more sophisticated than those that were around when the wooden version was produced so it's not likely to keep them entertained for long, certainly not those that are old enough to build it.

However, unlike the wooden one, this is not something that will be purchased for playing with: it's a superb display piece that will grace any room in the house or office, and it's the perfect souvenir from a day out at the LEGO House.

It's well-designed, an enjoyable build, an interesting and iconic subject, and something different. What's not to like?

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I don't think the price, 599DKK for 621 pieces, is too outrageous and is on a par with other LEGO House exclusives.

As for it being available only at The LEGO House: I know many of you will be disappointed and claim that it will encourage scalpers. I suspect that may well be the case. But on the other hand, visiting the LEGO House is a special experience, perhaps a once-in-a-lifetime one for many people, so to be able to buy something special like this while you are there will make the visit more worthwhile and memorable.

I think it's also fair to assume that it's being marketed in this way to encourage people to visit the House and I don't think we should begrudge LEGO for wanting to do that.

I would normally go on to say that anyone in the UK can get to Billund for the day on Ryanair for about £20 to buy it but, well, that's not the case any more, and unfortunately won't be for some time. Let's hope the limited edition run does not run out too quickly...


Thanks to the LEGO House for sending the set for review. All opinions expressed are my own.

58 comments on this article

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By in Ireland,

"...is the first in a new series of limited edition sets that will be available exclusively at the LEGO House in Billund, Denmark."

...

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of wallets suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

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By in Belgium,

LEGO has a serious problem concerning color-consistency. Look at those dark-red and dark green pieces...yikes...if I didn't know better I would think it was some kind of knock-off brand product.

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By in United Kingdom,

Love this set. Great review Huw. I am so pleased that this is going to be exclusive to the Lego House. It does create some panic and worry that it will sell out before I get chance to go again, but if I do go again, and its still available, the feeling I get when I see it on the shelf will be well worth it!!!

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By in Hungary,

The beak should have been made out of brick separators. They missed the opportunity...

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By in Canada,

The designers should be proud of this set. They did a wonderful job as it is quite faithful to the original wooden duck. Thanks for the detailed overview of it!

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By in Netherlands,

This set is incredibly symbolic on how lego has changed.

A famous story concerning the wooden duck is that Ole Kirk Christiansen once let his son paint the ducks, instructing to use three layers of paint. However, two were used, so he let his son take them back to paint the third layer. 'Det bedste er ikke for godt' (only the best is good enough) was Lego's motto, exemplified by the wooden duck.

Now we have a brick-built version. Besides the obvious differences, such as the usage of SNOT, technic, curved pieces, specific new colours, and well... plastic, two things spring to mind with it:

1) Yes, the quality issues. No longer will lego immediately fix issues like colour disparaties on bricks or prints on dark parts that look faded and discoloured, especially prevalent on minifigure prints. This is such a beautiful contrast with the original wooden ducks.

2) Branding. This set, the lego house and many other things about this scream: multinational company getting the word out about itself. That's okay. Still, a far cry from the original workshop that hand-painted everything!

Lego has come a long way. I really hope it can get closer to 'only the best is good enough' again, despite now being the number 1 toy multinational.

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By in Austria,

Easy pass.

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By in United Kingdom,

I don't want to take away the joy that this will bring to those that get to own this.. but for me - it's a duck!

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By in Romania,

Ooops! One day after someone told me in a comment about Lamborghini:

"One set having some reports of mismatching colors does not equal "cutting costs on all corners". Let's keep a bit of perspective. ...This is the exception that makes they rule. On the whole, piece quality has been going up...... Also, there's practically no other sets in recent memory that have had color issues"

So, the day after, we can see another set (this time an iconic set for LEGO and one that is historically linked with quality PR-wannabe nice story).

You know @Huw, I respect you more than I respect anyone else in this business,and I understand somehow you are between us loving LEGO and some quality problems, but how come that those color differences appear to you just in the photos?

Should we not make pictures anymore with our creations or expensive and hard to find sets?

I congratulate you for pointing out this problem and I am not suggesting you to pick a side, but when you say " I suspect many of you will comment on the range of dark red hues visible in this picture", actually I am worried, because I am here on Brickset everyday for the last 7 hours to read your review and to get your FULL opinion about LEGO product and not to read your opinion about the possible comments.
Please people, in which case for another 100 euro product (and almost 400 euros in Lamborghini case) you will not be outrage?

For a badly painted bicycle or for an IKEA table with one leg in another color you will not be upset?

For a lot of last years products, and especially for AFOLs, the LEGO products are mainly for 1-6 hours building and after, for thousands of days for display purposes.

It is not our duty to point this and to ask LEGO to pay attention?

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By in Poland,

What's not to like?
I don't know... Limited availability maybe?

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By in United States,

Pretty disappointing, besides the coloring issues, it looks pretty good. Given how much of an icon this is, it’s too bad it’s a LEGO house exclusive, and even then it’s way overpriced.

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By in Germany,

EUR 80.34 (as of today) hm... I am considering making a one day trip to billund this summer, since I am just south of the border in germany. But I'll have to see if the border is still open then.

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By in United States,

i want the instructions so i can make a psychedelic one for myself. especially since i'll likely never make it to Billund for the original . . . .

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By in United States,

@denn said:
"i want the instructions so i can make a psychedelic one for myself. especially since i'll likely never make it to Billund for the original . . . ."

They were made available briefly on LEGO.com. Send me a message, if you’d like a copy.

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By in United States,

@saneps said:
" @denn said:
"i want the instructions so i can make a psychedelic one for myself. especially since i'll likely never make it to Billund for the original . . . ."

They were made available briefly on LEGO.com. Send me a message, if you’d like a copy.
"

The instructions are still available on Lego.com:

https://www.lego.com/en-us/service/buildinginstructions/40501

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By in United Kingdom,

LEGO, if you can't be bothered to fix the colour issues for this supposed icon of your own commitment to quality, then maybe just sell us us an over-priced wooden one and we'll provide our own three coats of paint, how's that?

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By in United States,

@Dare_Wreck said:
" @saneps said:
" @denn said:
"i want the instructions so i can make a psychedelic one for myself. especially since i'll likely never make it to Billund for the original . . . ."

They were made available briefly on LEGO.com. Send me a message, if you’d like a copy.
"

The instructions are still available on Lego.com:

https://www.lego.com/en-us/service/buildinginstructions/40501"

Even better. Thanks!

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By in United Kingdom,

Actually, hypothetically this set would cost $2,360 currently (Sydney to Billund flights return + cost of set).

Sure, it’s nice for visitors to get this as a souvenir upon their visit; for those where it’s not convenient or affordable to make the trip, I’d really love for Lego to make them available online though.

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By in United Kingdom,

For me It is a nice set, its clever but it seems more of a Look at us item. Are that many people really interested in the Original Lego toys ? If there was no History it would be a rather naff looking duck, which looks to be for a 2-3yr old to pull along. And to add insult its only available in Billund. My suggestion. Sell it at Billund for a Price. Visitors or Scalpers can buy those. Then sell it at Lego.com for 150% of the price. Then if people really want it they can, it will be a bargain at Billund and anyone can get one without giving any money to ebay. All winners.

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By in United States,

I don’t mind the color inconsistency in this case, as the slight variations actually appear more realistic to me.

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By in Austria,

Just BrickLink the thing.

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By in United Kingdom,

Most of the rare parts are also available directly from LEGO.
I'd still like the set, even though I'll soon be able to build it from my parts.

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By in Ireland,

About a year ago BrickBrosProductions posted this very similar looking duck on their Youtube channel. A short stop motion film about making this duck :https://youtu.be/930TWN-_6og

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By in Canada,

Hey maybe if the popularity of the duck is high enough. LEGO might consider an ACTUAL wooden duck, similar to the Originals Minifigure last year. This set is still a very cool nod to the history of LEGO, regardless its exclusive availability.

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By in United Kingdom,

I really like it, i probably had a wooden pull along duck when i was younger I can't imagine it was made by Lego though!
It is such a shame regarding the colouring issues , they are so obvious in the pictures. It seems prices are going up and quality is going down . Perhaps this why it's a limited edition model no two will be ever the same due to the colouring issues!!
I do wonder if the counterfeit Lego has the same colouring issue now or is just Lego?

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By in Canada,

Disappointed they didn't capture the angled feather details, or the downward angle of the beak in the original. Looking forward to getting the printed eye tiles and red macaroni tiles to put on my version, though.

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By in United States,

Very nicely done! And not a glued model! But, expensive and way too exclusive. Looks buildable with Bricklink parts, however.

I'm wondering; what about the eyes? Use Mixel eyes?

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By in Canada,

The cost of this set is not 599DKK. You can't not take into account the costs of travel to get this specific set. The 599DKK is just the added cost to the travel, and it's irrelevant as one would probably get it if interested regardless of the cost at the Lego House store.

I don't get the reason behind making it so limited. If they think it'll make people shell out hundreds of Euro, if not thousands, they're delusional. You don't make these trip decisions based on a Lego set, unless you live very close by. More so this year due to travel restrictions.

It was a good review to read, but given how limited this set is I find it weird for Lego to send out sets for reviews, and make a press release.

(In case it wasn't clear, I just don't like these sly fabricated limited products tactics. Either you want to sell me the stuff you're showing, or just don't advertise them)

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By in United States,

anyone notice the coloring seems inconsistent? like some red bricks are darker while others are lighter?

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By in United Kingdom,

^ It might be an idea for you to read the previous comments before posting in future...

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By in Germany,

@Tuun said:
"LEGO has a serious problem concerning color-consistency. Look at those dark-red and dark green pieces...yikes...if I didn't know better I would think it was some kind of knock-off brand product."

You know what the saddest part is? I own several knock-off brand sets, and their colour consistency is excellent, even with dark red.
It's a shame that companies like Lepin manage to achieve something that the original can't.

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By in United States,

@AustinPowers said:
" @Tuun said:
"LEGO has a serious problem concerning color-consistency. Look at those dark-red and dark green pieces...yikes...if I didn't know better I would think it was some kind of knock-off brand product."

You know what the saddest part is? I own several knock-off brand sets, and their colour consistency is excellent, even with dark red.
It's a shame that companies like Lepin manage to achieve something that the original can't. "

Maybe that's because while the colors may be consistent their actual product is crap and breaks far easier than LEGO. It suggests its harder to keep color consistent when you have higher standards for longevity. I, for on, would prefer a longer lasting product than slight color errors.

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By in United States,

I find it odd that they have labeled this Set 1, as if this is the first in a line of exclusive LEGO House sets. Why have they started with 1 here though and ignore all the previous ones like the Dino's, tree, etc...
Huw, Did LEGO mention anything about the designation when you talked with them about this set?

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By in United Kingdom,

^ Someone did ask but it wasn't really answered properly. I guess they thought they'd 'start again' with this one.

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By in United States,

@thehornedrat said:
"Pssst, Huw cannot be too overly critical of Lego you know, he may lose his special access to sets.

:)"

Yes, because Brickset has never written a negative review (Dodge Challenger) or criticized quality issues (washed out printing on colored minifig heads; the chain on motorcycles). Maybe Huw just doesn't think the color inconsistency is an issue in normal light. Which is exactly what he said.

@Felix_Mezei what's wrong with addressing potential future comments in a review? That's just good writing and understanding the audience.

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By in Germany,

@jaredhinton said:
"Maybe that's because while the colors may be consistent their actual product is crap and breaks far easier than LEGO. It suggests its harder to keep color consistent when you have higher standards for longevity. I, for on, would prefer a longer lasting product than slight color errors."

Sorry to burst your bubble but the quality of the knock-off brand pieces, at least those that I have, is excellent. Saying" their product is crap" just shows that you have no experience with them. Their morals are crap, that I agree with, but their products aren't.
The "quality leader" otoh, what was this issue with reddish brown pieces breaking? Or cracking cheese slopes and the like?

"Only the best is good enough"

Riiiight...

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By in Hungary,

Neat, if prohibitive to access.

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By in Romania,

@Hylocera

" @Felix_Mezei what's wrong with addressing potential future comments in a review? That's just good writing and understanding the audience."

I trust you being a native in English you've read well what I wrote, but probably my English in my head betrayed me and I meant a totally different thing.

I am never against comment.

I wanted to say that when I read a specialist review, I expect to see a problem like the quality one to be FULLY tackled and not just passing by. To say " I suspect many of you will comment on the range of dark red" is OK in terms of saying people have the right to an opinion but I expect YOU as a reviewer to write your opinion about :

1. There are problems with the color on this set
2. This is not the only set with problems
3. This is an iconic set and unfortunately linked with a nice quality story and now in the 21st century industrialization, computerize coloring and robots the problems is present
4. How the reviewer feel about this problems
5. Possible advice for me, Brickset member
6. Possible suggestion for LEGO from the reviewer in the name of us members
7....Others

Instead of this, I read "I did not notice until I looked at the photos" and about the fact that people will comment.

Let's make a fictional example: the problem would be very few minifigures in a set instead of coloring problems, I am sure I would read an essay:

1. There are just 2 minifigures instead of 4 like it was the case in the last years.
2. This small numbers of minifigures is a trend and not only this set's problem.
3. This is an iconic set for LEGO minifigures set so how come there are only 2 minifigures?
4. I feel bad about getting just 2 minifigures for the same amount of money that in the last years I got 4.
5. I advice Brickset members to buy another set or I will analyze the price/minifigures
6. I advice LEGO company to try to listen to us.

Instead of this if I was "fictionally" reading:
I didn't saw there are just 2 minifigures before watching the photo, and probably people will comment this.

Maybe now I will be better understood.

If LEGO don't like criticism and Brickset can have problems for pointing quality issues, then why having the factory Quality Control Department?
LEGO should pay us (Brickset and members). For finding this problems, for having an unpaid focus group, for getting free feedback from people loving their products.

And I do this for free and using my own money, but we are living in an upside down world.

I think this will be my last comment. It really not worth my time.

A LEGO employee jestingly said this to me today:

"only the best is good enough - in terms of profit not in terms of quality"

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By in United States,

Regarding the inconsistency of dark red parts, I remember hearing that dark, rich colors like Dark Red and Medium Lilac are some of the hardest colors to ensure consistency in due to variances in the dye having an outsize impact on the end product compared to brighter or less saturated colors.

Personally I think it's one of those things that's easy for fans to whine about but hard to actually correct in practice. It's not as simple as "applying an extra coat of varnish"—unless Lego could find a dye formulation that is more universally consistent, at large enough quantities to supply their entire global operation, the only possible way to make these colors more consistent would be to dispose of a much larger proportion of the parts that were produced in these colors to ensure that only a highly specific shade made it into sets. To me that seems like a wasteful and unnecessary course of action considering that, as Huw says, the color variation is subtle in normal, non-studio lighting conditions and does not significantly impact the experience of the end product. A given Lego collection will usually have greater color variation than in a set like this anyway due to the effects of age on older bricks.

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By in United States,

@Lyichir:
Pretty much. Use a little dye, and a fractional variance is too subtle for the human eye to notice. Use a ton of it, and it amplifies any minute difference. It's basically the chromatic equivalent of building with large stacks of bricks vs even larger stacks of plates.

One solution would be to switch back to pre-dyed pellets for the colors that have the most problems. Two problems with this are that even bright colors like orange have had issues (if too wide a range of colors are affected, they might as well just switch back to pre-dyed for every color), and doing this would make those colors more expensive to use than regular colors (which could heavily discourage their use unless absolutely necessary).

A really messy solution would be to "sour mash" the problematic dyes. Get a batch of dye in, and pour it in with a bunch of previous batches. When you need some, draw it off of the sour mash. This will spread out any variance over a much larger run of parts, allowing darker and lighter batches to largely cancel each other out.

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By in Germany,

@Lyichir : I think no one doubts that over time effects like age, yellowing etc. can affect the colour of parts, but we are talking about brand new sets straight out of the box having colour inconsistencies that can hardly be called subtle. Sure, the lighting conditions for the photo might exaggerate the effect, but I have many sets myself where gross colour inconsistencies are blatantly obvious even to the naked eye. The new Fiat 500 for example looks so shoddy with all its different shades of light yellow and semi-transparent curved 2x2 slopes that one might think it is indeed the product of a cheap knock-off brand. The extremely expensive new Sian is yet another example. The first set I had with very noticeable colour inconsistencies was the Detective's Office Modular, which had many shades of light/medium blue. Funnily enough, a friend of mine who cheaped out even back then and bought the Lepin version commented on this and showed me his set which had zero colour variation whatsoever.
And notice that both the light/medium blue as well as the aforementioned light yellow are definitely not dark colours, so what you heard about the darkness of colours being the problem appears to be just another cheap excuse by those who simply don't want to admit that they are cutting costs in production. I have sets from the Eighties that I have kept in storage and those don't show any colour variations.
Or take prints for example. I noticed while wiping prints for my monofig collection that older prints are far thicker, more opaque and much harder to wipe than current ones. Just look at light colours printed on dark surfaces. In prints of old, white on black for example was perfect white, nowadays it is rather grey than white, same with flesh tones, yellow etc. The quality is just not the same. People can try and find excuses as much as they like, I go by what I see and what is perfectly obvious to the naked eye.

Perhaps if TLG wouldn't tout their "quality leadership" and "only the best is good enough" so much and try to justify their inflated RRPs on many products with the supposedly higher quality standards, I wouldn't mind so much. Plus if there weren't so many competitors by now that show how better quality is possible even for cheaper prices.

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By in United States,

@AustinPowers:
Lychir didn't say it was age-related. It's due to a change in their manufacturing process. For decades, they used to source their plastic in pre-colored pellets. A few years back they switched to using only a neutral base and adding the color in the injection molding process. The more dye you use to achieve a specific color, the more variance you're likely to get in the final result because a tiny bit of variance multiplies out over a large amount of dye.

One possible source for this is the machines used to mix the dye. When I was repainting my condo, the home improvement store where I bought my paint had two paint mixing machines, and they would tell you to make sure you asked for any additional paint in the same color to be mixed on the same machine as before. If you got the exact same color mixed on a different machine so you could do some touch-up painting, you could end up with attention-grabbing light patches wherever you did your touch-up work. While each machine could be equally consistent with the colors it mixed, that didn't mean they'd be a precise match for each other. So, if this dye is being mixed on a variety of different machines, that's another possible source of variance.

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By in United States,

@Felix_Mezei
Fair enough, I think I understand now. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

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By in Belgium,

Everyone claiming that it is very hard for some colors to maintain consistency -> no it is not!

In construction there is a color-system known as RAL. It ensures that you get the same color anytime everytime anywhere everywhere no matter who applies it or on what material, surface or texture. It wil always be the same color.

This is simply a LEGO quality issue. And it isn't the first. I have had a similar problem with recent sets concerning cluthpower, especially with 1/1 plates and 1/1 modified plates, with clutchpower being so bad I sometimes double checked the bricks for the LEGO-logo on the stud...

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By in Netherlands,

@Tuun said:
"Everyone claiming that it is very hard for some colors to maintain consistency -> no it is not!

In construction there is a color-system known as RAL. It ensures that you get the same color anytime everytime anywhere everywhere no matter who applies it or on what material, surface or texture. It wil always be the same color.

This is simply a LEGO quality issue. And it isn't the first. I have had a similar problem with recent sets concerning cluthpower, especially with 1/1 plates and 1/1 modified plates, with clutchpower being so bad I sometimes double checked the bricks for the LEGO-logo on the stud..."

Indeed clutch power on 1 x 1 plates often is sub par.
It's hard to tell how to improve on the colour issue without knowing the process. I would say that a small sample of each granule/dye batch could be test moulded to determine how much dye should be added. Meaning that probably each batch initially would need to have a dye deficiency.
It's probably hard to get it right, but I'm sure it could be done.

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By in Romania,

@Hylocera
I must thank you for pointing to me my mistake.

@To other 2 guys which always have the same opinion and are specialists in every theme and topic here in the comments section:

I've said I will never comment no more but is hard to stay out, when I see people are using comparison between "repainting my condo" and LEGO factory, finding excuses for a company of Billions of euros profit not being able to have the same product in the same color.

I know people here are real LEGO fans but is hard for me to read here opinion like "non-studio lighting conditions and does not significantly impact the experience of the end product", when color problems are often a problem and a visible one with your eyes. I hope not all of us are building LEGO in a dark-basement-non-color-variation-easy-to-spot-evil-lair.

It is true we are not inside LEGO factory so we must restrain from comparing this with other industry solutions, but please do not say the problems doesn't exist or are not visible. Be fair and say "I don't care and I don't mind"

I don't watch YouTube reviews or visit other LEGO fans sites, but yesterday trying to explain to my nephew the molding machines, I came across this video made by Sariel while visiting the LEGO factory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xAxjzrKSs0

In the 7:43 minute you can see an "explanatory-advertisement-how-good-we-are-here" bilboard:

"10 WRONG COLOR GRAINS IN ONE CONTAINER (500 Kg) RESULTS IN MISCOLORING AND ALL MATERIAL IS DESTROYED"

.....no further comment....

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By in Germany,

@PurpleDave: they should have stayed with their old manufacturing process then. Or at least reverted back to it once the problems caused by the new one became obvious.

THAT would have been the way to maintain the level of superior quality that Ole Kirk had in mind. Not trying to explain their way around the crappy quality instead of admitting the mistake they made and rectifying it.

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By in United States,

@Wrecknbuild said:
" @Tuun said:
"Everyone claiming that it is very hard for some colors to maintain consistency -> no it is not!

In construction there is a color-system known as RAL. It ensures that you get the same color anytime everytime anywhere everywhere no matter who applies it or on what material, surface or texture. It wil always be the same color."

As far as I know (which isn't much), RAL is just a standard for describing a color, not a procedure for reproducing it. How does RAL work, what's the mechanism that makes sure the color is always the same every time for every person on every material? How could that system be applied to coloring injection molded plastic?

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By in Belgium,

@iwybs said:
" @Wrecknbuild said:
" @Tuun said:
"Everyone claiming that it is very hard for some colors to maintain consistency -> no it is not!

In construction there is a color-system known as RAL. It ensures that you get the same color anytime everytime anywhere everywhere no matter who applies it or on what material, surface or texture. It wil always be the same color."

As far as I know (which isn't much), RAL is just a standard for describing a color, not a procedure for reproducing it. How does RAL work, what's the mechanism that makes sure the color is always the same every time for every person on every material? How could that system be applied to coloring injection molded plastic?"

More about RAL: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAL_(kleursysteem). It is much more then simply a standard for describing a color....

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@Tuun said:
More about RAL: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAL_(kleursysteem). It is much more then simply a standard for describing a color...."

I don't see anything in that article that says how RAL colors are actually implemented. The Wikipedia article is just a bunch of color swatches.

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Should named it the plastic duck lol also way overpriced.

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@Felix_Mezei:
There's a difference between excusing something and explaining something. I never attempted to excuse the color differences. Indeed, I find them particularly irritating because they constantly draw my eye. And "repainting my condo" is a legitimate comparison in this case, because the color is added in a similar manner. They put natural ABS pellets in a hopper, and the injection molding machine mixes the pigments in prior to injecting the plastic into the mold. You go to the hardware store, and they drop a can of neutral base in the paint mixing machine, and it measures out pigments to match your paint chip. I've seen some vintage paint mixing "machines", where the person mixing your paint has to draw the pigments up into glass pipettes manually, and with that system you could buy 100 cans of paint and have them all come out slightly different. But the modern computerized ones should be able to crank out one can after another that are precise matches. As long as you stick to the same machine. Every machine has to be calibrated, and any minute difference in that calibration is going to result in a noticeable difference in color. If they've got ten injection molding machines, each one is probably going to produce a slightly different shade of the same color. Some may be close enough that you can't notice them without using a device that's capable of detecting that difference. Others are going to stand out to the naked eye.

If that's _why_ the colors have such noticeable variance, it suggests a couple possible solutions. One would be to restrict each of those colors to a single machine so there is no variance. Another would be to map out which machines produce which variances, and try to find a group that yield really close matches. Dark-purple has definitely gotten better than it was 15 years ago, and I remember they basically swore off making another "mostly dark-purple" set after the first Knight Bus until they could nail down a way to eliminate the color variance. Maybe they came up with a solution for dark-purple but haven't applied it to other colors.

As for the "10 grains" quote, they should have eliminated that issue by switching to in-line coloring...which ironically caused all of these minor variations in color.

@Tuun:
I've never heard of RAL, but it seems comparable to Pantone. Pantone is just a color guide. You buy the color swatches, and you calibrate your own machines to match those swatches. The person you're talking to halfway around the world is looking at a similar set of swatches, and you can identify the color over the phone knowing that you're talking about (essentially) the same color. You still have to calibrate to that color swatch. Even people who aren't colorblind can see colors a bit differently, and some people can pick out a less intense variance than others. According to Wikipedia, RAL is used for powder-coating, but someone who worked in powder-coating once told me that you have to religiously stick to the batch numbers on powder-coating powder. You can finish one body panel on a car in Batch A, and start fresh on an adjacent body panel with Batch B and nobody will probably ever notice. But if you mix Batch A and Batch B together on the same body panel, you're going to be able to tell where the transition takes place because every batch is going to be slightly different.

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@AustinPowers said:
" @jaredhinton said:
"Maybe that's because while the colors may be consistent their actual product is crap and breaks far easier than LEGO. It suggests its harder to keep color consistent when you have higher standards for longevity. I, for on, would prefer a longer lasting product than slight color errors."

Sorry to burst your bubble but the quality of the knock-off brand pieces, at least those that I have, is excellent. Saying" their product is crap" just shows that you have no experience with them. Their morals are crap, that I agree with, but their products aren't.
The "quality leader" otoh, what was this issue with reddish brown pieces breaking? Or cracking cheese slopes and the like?

"Only the best is good enough"

Riiiight... "

Products of the knock-off brand are ALWAYS crap regardles to "perceived" excellent quality of parts.
Yes, LEGO has issues with colour-control, but it is not turned the LEGO products into some unworthy second-rated things.

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This set looks awesome, and I really like it!

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But not for 90 bucks. LEGO has really been upping their prices in 2020.

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@Binnekamp said:
"Branding. This set, the lego house and many other things about this scream: multinational company getting the word out about itself. That's okay. Still, a far cry from the original workshop that hand-painted everything!"

Uhh, how does putting the manufacturer's name on the packaging equate to "screaming about itself"? This is wild.

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The instructions are available for free on LEGO . Com

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$90 for a 621 piece set? That's just messed up.

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Already selling on eBay UK for £224... madness

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