Official images of summer Technic sets!
Posted by CapnRex101,
LEGO has now published the complete set of official images for two upcoming Technic sets, 42144 Material Handler and 42145 Airbus H175 Rescue Helicopter.
Pricing information is now available as well. View the images and information about both sets, to be released on the 1st of August, below...
42144 Material Handler
- 835 pieces
- £104.99, $149.99, €119.99
42145 Airbus H175 Rescue Helicopter
- 2001 pieces
- £179.99, $209.99, €209.99
Additional images are available on the database entries for each set.
Are you looking forward to these Technic models and what do you think of their prices? I am astounded by the high cost of 42144 Material Handler!
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The price for the Material Handler is ridiculously expense
It seems that the Airbus helicopter will have both cyclic and collective pitch.
So it's a nice improvement from 9396, that had only collective.
Both sets look decent and seem to have a “classic Technic” look and feel to them. Shame the material handler is so expensive though.
I wonder what "Motorized Functions" means for the helicopter. Are they actually going back to a simple battery-box to motor connection without stupid Control+ stuff?
Is that a military rescue helicopter? ? (No, I'm not still miffed about the Osprey, you are.. Shut up.. I'm not crying YOU ARE!!)
@IgelCampus said:
"I wonder what "Motorized Functions" means for the helicopter. Are they actually going back to a simple battery-box to motor connection without stupid Control+ stuff?"
It looks like it - zooming in on the end of the box visible in one pic shows 'large motor' and 'battery box' parts.
Which is a welcome relief, frankly.
@WORMSS said:
"Is that a military rescue helicopter? ? (No, I'm not still miffed about the Osprey, you are.. Shut up.. I'm not crying YOU ARE!!)"
I'M NOT CRYING! I'm chopping onions - YOU shut up!
@Jman007 said:
"The price for the Material Handler is ridiculously expense "
Pneumatics just adds a lot of cost. I know the Arocs and Unimog were more expensive because of it.
The Material Handler is $150 for 835 pieces, none of which are electronic.
And here I am thinking that only Star Wars could have such horrendous prices.
@Jman007 said:
"The price for the Material Handler is ridiculously expense "
you're right...as a comparison i paid 120€ (with discount) for the truck 42128 that has 2017 pcs and pneumatics.
I guess the Material Handler comes with a goat. That would explain the price ;-)
Seriously though, WTF? Technic uses loads of pins that cost next to nothing. Plus this set doesn't come with a licence.
Guaranteed to become a bestseller ;-)
The usual RRP of Technic sets this size would be somewhere between 69.99 and 89.99.
Last year's 42123 has almost the exact same number of pieces, and its RRP was 49.99 - and it was a licenced set!
Even factoring in the Pneumatic components, the price is just ridiculous.
Lego is clearly trying to see how high they can push prices in the US market before demand actually changes. Despicable.
Compare 42144 with 42053 from a few years back. 30% fewer parts but 30% higher price, and it's not a licensed set.
The helicopter with motor looks reasonable.
No clear view of the new parts in the rotor assembly. I'd really like to see them...
If this is any indicator of the type of price gouging we can expect from Lego this fall, I'm going to say that they've become unbuyable here in the US.
42144 compares pretty badly with 42053 and 42006. Both of those sets came with B-models and optional motorization capability, and they are both attractive to boot, while 42144 looks pared-down and boring.
overpriced and no b models
I am so glad that my first dark ages ended back when they did, around 2010. For seven to eight years after that we really had a golden age in terms of value for money. And what awesome sets we got during that period too. 8043, 42009, 42030, 42043 to name but a few of the greatest. And all of them were better value for money than what we get nowadays.
No wonder I'm in a new dark ages. Perfect timing too, nothing to be missed.
Everyone complaining about the price of the material handler must not be aware of 8868 from 1992, or 8438 from 2003.
Spoiler alert: pneumatic sets have always been more expensive.
@WesterBricks said:
"Everyone complaining about the price of the material handler being outrageous because of the pneumatics, must not be aware of 8868 from 1992, or 8438 from 2003.
Spoiler alert: pneumatic sets have always been more expensive."
42053. Packed with more pneumatic components than 42144 and only £74.99. Along with PF capability and a B-model!
People in this comments section are talking past each other based on where they live. Historically many Technic sets have been priced a lot higher in the US, and often weirdly low in the UK and sometimes the EU. The main thing that seems to be happening now is that the UK and/or EU are losing some (though not all) of their historic price advantage.
8043 cost $200 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $270 now. At 1123 pieces, that's 24 cents per piece. Much worse than the Material Handler, which is 18 cents per piece.
42030 cost $250 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $308 now. At 1636 pieces, that's 19 cents per piece. Slightly worse than the Material Handler.
42053 cost $120 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $146 now. The UK and EU had anomalously low prices on that one.
Demand for Technic must be significantly higher in the US than in other regions.
@WesterBricks said:
"Everyone complaining about the price of the material handler must not be aware of 8868 from 1992, or 8438 from 2003.
Spoiler alert: pneumatic sets have always been more expensive."
They have, but never by such a ridiculous amount.
Plus 8868 had a motor too, and was the absolute flagship set of that year.
And what about 8438. It was far cheaper than this new set, even factoring in inflation.
Shame about the material handler, i was looking forward to getting it as a pair for the red mobile crane from a few years ago, not for that price though!
I was looking forward to the Material Handler, as I liked the color scheme and wanted to try pneumatics. At that US price, however, I can't see myself getting it. For the same price, 42128 Heavy-duty tow truck seems far more substantial, so maybe I'll get that. The helicopter looks neat, though.
@illennium said:
"8043 cost $200 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $270 now. At 1123 pieces, that's 24 cents per piece. Much worse than the Material Handler, which is 18 cents per piece."
Over here, 8043 had an RRP of 169.99 Euro.
Technic sets in general tended to have a far lower RRP per piece than other themes, reflecting the fact that a large amount of the pieces were pins and bushes and small axles, all of which are worth far less than normal pieces.
And don't forget, 8043 came packed with PF components. Four (!) motors, battery box, two remotes, two IR receivers, plus all the pneumatics elements. In terms of value for money, it was a steal. And that's not even accounting for any discounts (or for what an awesome construction that set is, compared to that boring material handler) .
@illennium said:
"People in this comments section are talking past each other based on where they live. Historically many Technic sets have been priced a lot higher in the US, and often weirdly low in the UK and sometimes the EU. The main thing that seems to be happening now is that the UK and/or EU are losing some (though not all) of their historic price advantage.
8043 cost $200 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $270 now. At 1123 pieces, that's 24 cents per piece. Much worse than the Material Handler, which is 18 cents per piece.
42030 cost $250 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $308 now. At 1636 pieces, that's 19 cents per piece. Slightly worse than the Material Handler.
42053 cost $120 at the time, which adjusted for inflation is around $146 now. The UK and EU had anomalously low prices on that one.
Demand for Technic must be significantly higher in the US than in other regions."
My understanding is the opposite, that Technic performs considerably better in Europe than in the US.
There are obviously two methods of accounting for the relative performance of different themes, either charging more for products to generate greater revenue with each sale, or charging less in an effort to encourage increased sales volume. LEGO seems to employ both methods, depending on the situation.
For example, most Technic sets are more expensive in North America than in Europe, perhaps to generate the aforementioned higher revenue from each sale. However, 42126 Ford F-150 Raptor is cheaper in North America and I expect that is because LEGO anticipated a greater sales performance there than in Europe, influenced by the relative popularity of the subject.
@AustinPowers said:
"I am so glad that my first dark ages ended back when they did, around 2010. For seven to eight years after that we really had a golden age in terms of value for money. And what awesome sets we got during that period too. 8043, 42009, 42030, 42043 to name but a few of the greatest. And all of them were better value for money than what we get nowadays.
No wonder I'm in a new dark ages. Perfect timing too, nothing to be missed. "
Are you really in dark age if you are such active and prolific member of afol community? I mean, I see your comments on almost every article from Brickset. I always thought dark age means you are not interested in lego, not that you don't buy it.
@WORMSS said:
"Is that a military rescue helicopter? ? (No, I'm not still miffed about the Osprey, you are.. Shut up.. I'm not crying YOU ARE!!)"
Ahh, I was waiting for the Osprey crying to start...
The H175 indeed has no military users, flying mostly in transport, emergency/SAR, and some police roles.
The complete opposite of the Osprey, one might say, which has never had any civilian users – current, past, or future.
I think the price on 42145 is fine. It comes with a motor and battery box.
The cost of 42144 is insane though, especially compared to one of my favorite build experiences in 42053 (which also had a license).
The Material Handler cost the same as 42128 from last year (which also had pneumatics), yet it has less than half of the pieces. If this is what Lego was referring to with their price hikes, then I'm starting to get nervous.
The good thing is: it seems that everyone agrees on the extortion about to take place. Assuming this is in practice true (and nobody buys the set immediately), this means it won't take long before we can buy it on sale (in Canada that's 20% max - which would be still be expensive at CAD$160 - currently at CAD$200 which is not OK at all).
I read here (Brickset) a while ago that Lego were now pricing their sets 20% higher to be reduced almost immediately by retailers - I guess people like a rebate: so you jack it up 20-ish% upfront and put it on sale 20-ish%; the retailer gets a higher margin and the buyers thinks he/she got proper value for money.
If I see the discounts large and small retailers can offer, the marges on Lego are huge. How big?
Wait, the material handler is not licensed? Whaaaaat?!
@thor96 said:
"I always thought dark age means you are not interested in lego, not that you don't buy it."
OK, let's call it a transitional phase then. After all, dark ages usually don't start and end on a specific day. It's a phase in and a phase out. And even then, the definition is kind of variable I guess. Even during my first dark ages from around 1998 to around 2010 I wasn't uninterested in LEGO totally. I was quite active on LUGnet, Peeron and several other early LEGO related sites. I also still built the occasional MOC during those years. I just didn't buy anything new, didn't go to toy stores, didn't get any catalogs etc.
Call it what you will.
This new dark ages period seems different in that I am still interested in news about LEGO and alternatives, I am simply planning on not buying anything new anymore.
I'm rather planning to use the then free budget to go "treasure hunting" on Bricklink, eBay etc. for some of the sets I missed during my childhood.
@merman said:
"If I see the discounts large and small retailers can offer, the marges on Lego are huge. How big?"
I would imagine that the production costs and overheads (for the plastic, the labour in the factories, packaging and so on) is not especially different to other manufacturers producing a product that has to be within relatively precise tolerances.
But they probably have larger than average non production overheads for design, development, customer service etc. They will need to make a large net profit in order to cover the overheads. In that case you'd put a big mark up on the product cost but there would be room to reduce the price if selling in a large enough volume.
@IgelCampus said:
"I wonder what "Motorized Functions" means for the helicopter. Are they actually going back to a simple battery-box to motor connection without stupid Control+ stuff?"
you can see your answer on the side of the box in one of the photos. sadly it is the new control+
The appearance of the new helicopter reminds me of a MOD that I did to 8856, see
https://brickshelf.com/gallery/rothw/technic/Stuff/dcp13462k.jpg
@SPAZiNZ said:
" @IgelCampus said:
"I wonder what "Motorized Functions" means for the helicopter. Are they actually going back to a simple battery-box to motor connection without stupid Control+ stuff?"
you can see your answer on the side of the box in one of the photos. sadly it is the new control+"
No, it's the dumb battery box and L-motor. No app control on this one.
Good thing I’m not an American Technic fan, just an American. I’d only buy that tiny material handler if it was half off lol, it’s a crap price everywhere but especially here in the states, I assume we’re the biggest market for Technic cranes and stuff with that in mind.
I feel both are overpriced, especially the Material Handler, for which I had expected a price tag of €100 which would already feel steep. That helicopter maybe a bit less so, but that's in part because we have gotten used to prices like this, nowadays the €0,10 per piece metric seems quite normal for Technic sets even without any motors. Does anyone even remember 42055 from just 6 years ago?
But so far the bad news. The good news is that these pictures only confirm my initial belief that these will turn out to be two pretty darn good sets! Nice functionality, even when both look good it's definitely not form over function this time. The material handler might not be the most spectacular thing but looks like a solid build and Pneumatics are always fun. And somebody tell me that helicopter isn't the coolest thing in a long, long time. And while I do see quite a number of stickers on both sets, not a single one looks essential. To me, this is Technic as Technic should be!
And I feel Lego really needed to step up their Technic game. Yesterday I watched Sariel's review of the CaDa Goliath, not exactly the first time in recent years a set from a clone brand completely blows away a similar Lego set. Not just on better price/value, but mostly because of vastly superior set design, an area where Lego used to have the upper hand. Obviously I'm just judging on pictures now, but I would be surprised if the same would happen with these two sets, especially that Airbus.
Good job, Lego! But please fire the entire pricing department....
The Rescue Helicopter is properly cool! Hopefully Airbus has never even glanced at anything military related though, or we know where this is going...
Open a google page. Type: military h175. See what you get - no shortages of pictures there. The UK is apparently considering this model to replace their Pumas. As long as there are civilian versions, that's defensible.
The Osprey debacle can only be an engineering mistake (8-tooth gear getting mangled) disguised as a military production error because a military set modified as a SAR (search and rescue) vehicles that does not exist in real life automatically becomes a 'fantasy' vehicle and Lego did that many time in the past (although not licensed - that is a big issue here - if 42113 had been called: VTOL SAR without Boeing license, that would have been OK- but because it was called an 'Osprey' it was quite specific and hard to hide as a 'fantasy' vehicle.) Can still be bought new for $700-$800 for those interested.
When that happened, I ordered all the new parts and part recolours for this set (not available any more but were readily available at the planned launch date) Now I have to buy all the other parts - comes to more than twice the MRSP of the set (just the battery box is CAD$50).
I'm so happy I managed to pick up a used 42053 last year at a reasonable price. Shame that the new crane is too expensive. On the other hand the helicopter looks brilliant. Has the non-control+ functions and a pretty reasonable price. It will look nice next to my old 8856 :-)
@zyberteq said:
" @Jman007 said:
"The price for the Material Handler is ridiculously expense "
Pneumatics just adds a lot of cost. I know the Arocs and Unimog were more expensive because of it."
Not really, at least in terms of ppp, which is twice as worse as it was for the other two, which were very decently priced
Hey, they're recreating the helicopter rotor hinge things! That's pretty neat.
@baconcopter said:
"Lego is clearly trying to see how high they can push prices in the US market before demand actually changes. Despicable."
That has been my sense of this for some time. It's a shame really. I'm not a Technic guy, but allowed my collection categories to unreasonably expand during the pandemic.
It's a shame that Brickset comments have become so negative. They used to be filled with the joy of new sets. It played a large part of my collection expansion.
Now, we just complain about how bad the prices and quality are. I'm just as bad as anyone. It's hard to be a Lego fan right now.
42144 Material Handler cost is totally unaceptable. I like it a lot, my children love it, but we won't buy it, unless there will be 50% price discount (there won't be).
I've paid less for 42128, than the starting price for this one is.
Helicopter is very nice. At long last, a cyclic and collective rotor head on a Technic helicopter, only waited 40 years! (Although 8856 had a go).
Handler in nice, will pick it up at a discount!
@StyleCounselor said:
" @baconcopter said:
"Lego is clearly trying to see how high they can push prices in the US market before demand actually changes. Despicable."
That has been my sense of this for some time. It's a shame really. I'm not a Technic guy, but allowed my collection categories to unreasonably expand during the pandemic.
It's a shame that Brickset comments have become so negative. They used to be filled with the joy of new sets. It played a large part of my collection expansion.
Now, we just complain about how bad the prices and quality are. I'm just as bad as anyone. It's hard to be a Lego fan right now. "
You bring something quite important here: if Lego quality would be as good as it once was, then we would say: ah well, inflation is everywhere and my Lego bricks will hold their value well over time so this is not a problem. BUT now we don't know any more; fans have to contend with several problems which were close to non-existent a short while ago. These problems are: colour mismatch, brittle parts, missing parts (apparently becoming a serious problem - say you buy a set and open it only 5 years later - there might be no way to fix that by then). Maybe I am forgetting other problems too. Premium price for not-so-premium products any more...
I am a Technic guy and it is the first time I am excited about a Lego Technic set (42145) since 42043. I bought a few Technic sets since 42043 but I mostly bought other themes (City, HP, Creator Expert) that I usually do not buy because the Technic range was so underwhelming in the recent past.
@StyleCounselor said:
"It's a shame that Brickset comments have become so negative. They used to be filled with the joy of new sets."
What's a shame is that TLG has become a disgustingly greedy behemoth that cuts costs everywhere no matter how it affects quality while at the same time they keep increasing prices, often to absurd levels, like with this Material Handler, the price of which is somewhere between ridiculous and insulting.
"Now, we just complain about how bad the prices and quality are. I'm just as bad as anyone. It's hard to be a Lego fan right now. "
Don't feel bad. As long as the quality of new sets is deteriorating as quickly and as badly as it is, there is no shame in calling LEGO out for it. Especially with the money they are asking for these sets.
If "only the best is good enough" was to be taken seriously, anyone who is honest should realize this would mean having to buy Cobi. Their colour consistency is almost flawless, the quality of their prints is next to none, and the simple fact that they go for prints only instead of stickers is a huge bonus. And they manage to do so for the same (or lower) price per piece all while producing in the EU instead of in the cheapest places available.
And that's not even beginning to talk about the constant legal battles and PR desasters TLG brings on one after the other, hashtag sigfiggate just being the latest (and one of the most unnecessary ones too). Lashing out in all directions at the ever increasing competition, trying to keep a monopoly by legal trickery instead of competing on quality and value for money.
They do indeed make it hard to be a LEGO fan right now.
@AustinPowers said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
"It's a shame that Brickset comments have become so negative. They used to be filled with the joy of new sets."
What's a shame is that TLG has become a disgustingly greedy behemoth that cuts costs everywhere no matter how it affects quality while at the same time they keep increasing prices, often to absurd levels, like with this Material Handler, the price of which is somewhere between ridiculous and insulting.
"Now, we just complain about how bad the prices and quality are. I'm just as bad as anyone. It's hard to be a Lego fan right now. "
Don't feel bad. As long as the quality of new sets is deteriorating as quickly and as badly as it is, there is no shame in calling LEGO out for it. Especially with the money they are asking for these sets.
If "only the best is good enough" was to be taken seriously, anyone who is honest should realize this would mean having to buy Cobi. Their colour consistency is almost flawless, the quality their printing is next to none, and the simple fact that they go for prints only instead stickers is a huge bonus. And they manage to do so for the same (or lower) price per piece all while producing in the EU instead of in the cheapest places available. "
While I may agree with many of things you say, you just always find a way to bring up other companies. It’s your schtick really.
@AustinPowers said:
"If "only the best is good enough" was to be taken seriously, anyone who is honest should realize this would mean having to buy Cobi. Their colour consistency is almost flawless, the quality their printing is next to none, and the simple fact that they go for prints only instead stickers is a huge bonus. And they manage to do so for the same (or lower) price per piece all while producing in the EU instead of in the cheapest places available. "
I have 60+ Cobi models so obviously I am a fan, and also I support all discussion of alternate brands because brand loyalty to LEGO is obviously one of the key factors in the ever-increasing prices. People like to complain about prices but complaining in an online forum is not particularly effective. Whereas actually switching to buying competitive brands is effective.
That said, quality must be subjective because I find Cobi in general to be far inferior to LEGO. Specifically in terms of clutch power, which is one of the most important factors to me. Stickers don't bother me, nor does color inconsistency for the most part. Also Cobi's figures are awful.
Anyway I like Cobi and the subject matter well enough to buy dozens of their products, and obviously LEGO would never touch military subject matter, but in a pure quality comparison I would definitely take LEGO even in 2022.
@monkyby87 said:
"While I may agree with many of things you say, you just always find a way to bring up other companies. It’s your schtick really. "
True, but what is the problem you have with that?
If LEGO was as good as it was years ago I would never have even tried out other manufacturers. I would not need to mention any others. Aren't you interested in getting the best value for money with the sets you buy? The best quality? Let alone sets based on source material you may like that LEGO has decided to abandon or never considered in the first place?
Say you love realistic brick built trains for example? Do you turn to the pitiful offerings LEGO graciously gives us every couple of years? Or do you look at alternatives? Same with Asian sets. Medieval worlds. Pirates, Western, or licences that TLG just doesn't have. Like everything other than Disney or Nintendo?
To do you a favor I am not going to name any of the companies who produce sets for those subject matters, at quality levels that by now are comparable to LEGO, something that was unimaginable years ago.
When I came out of my dark ages, the "competition" was something like BestLock, or MegaBloks of old, or some no-name knockoffs that were of the lowest quality imaginable.
There was zero reason to turn to such crap other than if you were really poor and couldn't afford real LEGO.
Nowadays the situation is totally different. It's no longer cheap knockoff tat that's the competition, but serious manufacturers who care about quality, set design and value for money.
Think about it. Why is mentioning those facts (and possibly the names of some of the competitors) such an annoyance to you?
You should rather be annoyed at what TLG did to make many of us so angry and frustrated to turn our backs to them to begin with.
@illennium : funny you should mention clutch power of all things when comparing Cobi and LEGO, because from my experience with their sets, Cobi has the best clutch power in the industry. There's even the running gag / meme of a Cobi brick separator, which is an image of an axe ;-)
As for the figures, I agree with you that those are indeed awful. But that's me. Just like you don't mind stickers or colour inconsistency, I have zero interest in minifigs. I buy sets solely for the building experience (and sometimes display value). Couldn't care less even if minifigs didn't exist at all.
@AustinPowers said:
" @illennium : funny you should mention clutch power of all things when comparing Cobi and LEGO, because from my experience with their sets, Cobi has the best clutch power in the industry."
Sorry, you're totally right. I used the wrong term. Is there a term for how flush (or not flush) bricks connect to each other? That's what I meant. I have this problem with Mega (another brand I like) as well. There are these microscopic gaps between some of the bricks that annoy me because my brain is broken and I want everything to be completely flush. I seem to recall this happening more with Cobi ships than other types of vehicles. Maybe it's the way rounded parts interact with flat ones and the different directions that the forces are pulling them.
Anyway, yes Cobi's clutch power (now I'm using the term correctly!) is second to none, to the point where if I make a mistake in building a set I get a little stressed out about the thought of having to separate bricks. Ha.
Oh also while we're picking nits, I will also say that I think Cobi's injection points (or whatever you call those little dots where the plastic enters the mold) are too prominent for me and that does bug me as well. I try to align them to be on the interior of the build whenever I can, but that's not always possible.
Wonder why lego almost never have any break through technic sets other than the same old construction trucks, helicopters, planes, etc. Not that many ships and also never a bicycle? Kickscooter/Electric scooter? Golf kart? Shopping kart? There are so many other things that could be made as technic sets. Maybe something not even a vehicle but with moving functions.
I hope the helicoptor doesn't get effected by the German Peace Society.
I'll not lie to you, the price point for the handler is borderline insulting. I have the discretionary money to spend but will not do so just to satisfy my interest in Technic sets.
Already have 8868 and 42043, so this one looks like an overpriced little cousin.
I'll buy the helicopter. It looks like an interesting build.
My suspicion is that TLG is trying to pull the same trick like Apple did a few years back: they increased the prices of iPhones to increase profit. They effectively made them a luxury item. So of course the populace flocked to iPhones despite the increased cost. Profits skyrocketed.
@WORMSS said:
"Is that a military rescue helicopter? ? (No, I'm not still miffed about the Osprey, you are.. Shut up.. I'm not crying YOU ARE!!)"
it's a civilian helicopter, so far only bought by civilian operators (technically the Hong Kong Government Flying Service is not military. Technically).
The base of the materials handler looks a bit unfinished compared to 42053. I rather this had 2000 pieces and the helicopter 835, as this would give so much more potential to use the pnuematics in alternative builds and make the price look more sensible.
Seems the large size of the helicopter is just to accommodate the very large battery box rather than mechanically needing to be that large. Why don't they make the battery box smaller?
@CCC said:
" @HOBBES said:
"I read here (Brickset) a while ago that Lego were now pricing their sets 20% higher to be reduced almost immediately by retailers - I guess people like a rebate: so you jack it up 20-ish% upfront and put it on sale 20-ish%; the retailer gets a higher margin and the buyers thinks he/she got proper value for money. "
In some cases, even that doesn't work. I tend to ignore the %age off and look at the actual price and what you get. Then go back to playing with my old LEGO.
"
Yeah, getting sick of LEGO's and retailers shell game with prices. If LEGO makes any profits this year it will be a play on numbers, as I believe their numbers of items sold will go down, but with their 'hardship' increases, their profits may stay the same, or worse yet, go up ('worse yet' because will only justify-to themselves-what they are doing is right).