Did not expect a reveal of this for another while! Which is good news, since the next big reveal can only be the next modular!

Love the minifigs!
Will the tram fit on the train tracks? Are they going to have a horrible collision? Is there a Lego trolley problem in the works?

I love the bricks they've included with this sticker set.

I'm tempted to buy this one as soon as it's available. I really like it.

I am disappointed that it appears to lack a light brick though.

This is really cool. I like the music store, especially since it's never been done before in LEGO, the new style toy store is good, and the whole thing feels very cozy and inviting. Like the winter village is supposed to be.

I love it that Lego festive sets are consistently decent & fairly priced.

When the details leaked I was sure that they had the price wrong... as it actually seems reasonable! How did this one avoid the price hike, or does it point to other sets having a higher price to allow for inevitable discounts, whereas perhaps a set like this has a shorter shelf life (being seasonal) so can't afford to warm the shelves for too long?

Regardless, it's cute. I like the tram addition. Has a similar vibe to the seasame street architecture, as opposed to the older alpine stuff.

I do like this set, although it's not overly christmasy, if you take away the snow an Xmas trees it would fit in well with the friends theatre 41714 as a street scene ... Ok now I will have to add snow to that theatre!

Excellent set and a reasonable price too

I love the tram and tram stop and I really like the shops too.
I'm less of a fan of the top floors : I understand the point of them but they seem too small to add a play value so it's a bit odd, an extended shop upstairs would have made more sense to me.

Dang. They at least could of made one of those santa photo booths. Won't be buying this.

I was really excited about the price tag, until I visited Lego's website: 129,95 € in Finland. Darn. The set looks really nice, though.

Looks great, especially that tram. Might pick this one up actually.

“Ready for powered up” I assume means there is already space and instructions for the motor and battery pack, they just aren’t included?

@dimc said:
"Love the minifigs!
Will the tram fit on the train tracks? Are they going to have a horrible collision? Is there a Lego trolley problem in the works?"

Looks like it might fit on the tracks if it's ready for Powered Up integration and the wheels look to be on a train base!

The 'Powered Up' integration seems to include using the lights that are part of that system as well.

@legoverslinder said:
"Hey, where is the light up brick? I've never really caared about the light up brick in the winter village sets, but I do care about traditions. Every wvs had one so this should have to."
From the pictures on the set details page, it looks like you can add a light to the trolley when you add the Powered Up functions.

Pretty much perfect. Loving the tram. Could be my first Winter Village Day One Double Purchase!

Now, if the Ray the Castaway GWP could pop up in October as rumoured, that would be the icing on the cake!

I am a fan of the winter village sets and I'm more surprised that the price hasn't gone up since last year....makes you wonder about all the other price increases we've been seeing lately. Are they just throwing us a bone here, or is Disney driving those hikes?

I’m really excited about the tram and appreciate LEGO designing to included optional power. Hopefully eventually we will get a vintage steam or streamliner locomotive at a reasonable price for use in a winter village.

@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @darthmar said:
"Why a tram? I don't get it.
I don't like this set but I'll buy it to keep my WV collection complete. "

Trams (or "trolleys" as they're popularly known in the US) are a popular nostalgia vehicle and remind people of places like New Orleans or San Francisco, where they're still at least somewhat in use. They're useful as a relatively low-cost people mover that also hits people right in the "charmingly nostalgic" button. So yes, this is an effective fit for a small nostalgic shopping village setting."

Ah yes, public transport options. Anything that isn't your own car. Remember those? XD

Cultural differences I suppose.

This set looks nice, although the scale of the buildings reminds me of some Creator and City buildings more than WV ones. But the set is affordable enough (for once!), so I'm happy!

@Angry_Warlock said:
"This is not the UCS Razercrest I was looking for. "

Figure there will be an announcement during Skaerbaek Fan Weekend, this weekend...public reveals and all :)

As far as I can see, you can take the white bricks off the buildings, maybe change the base plates, and you have some nice little modulars ready for your City scape. From my side, I like that flexibility. But I do get it when WV collectors say this is the least WV set ever.

Nice, I think I'm on board for this one. I was all-in for Winter Village up until 2013's Market. Prior to that, each set came with a main model and several smaller builds that I never quite knew what to do with. The Market seemed to just be more of these small builds, so it was the first one I skipped. This Main Street, though, the buildings are big enough and should look great with the others in the line.

That's great, even fits in with 3-in-1 scale sets.

Very nice, will get this one!

The buildings are a bit shallow, but overall look really neat! I will definitely have to pick it up. I like the idea instead of the fantasy stuff. It will be more cohesive anyway. But overall I love it.

I usually don't care much for the whole Christmas theme, but I do actually quite like this set! Love the tram, if that was a set on its own I would definitely buy it. Buildings are nice too, although I do feel they could have created some usable attic space above the music store. And that little street scene is good too. Could have done without the big tree, to me that's a waste of pieces, but I get why it's there.

It would have been nice if they included a few pieces of track just for display, but I guess that would have resulted in a higher price. And as it is now, €100 feels quite okay for what you get.

Buildings are kind of small and simple (not to mention two-dimensional) for this line but they do look great from the front. As a scene I think it's terrific. Very festive, easy to rearrange to fit different display setups, and it's even reasonably priced which is a minor miracle for an 18+ LEGO set in 2022.

To everyone complaining about “yet another tree”, keep in mind that your entire neighborhood doesn’t look at the tree in your front yard and conclude that you’ve got it taken care of, so they don’t need to bother.

@Binnekamp:
Cultural differences for sure. In the US, very few places have tracks integrated into the streets to even allow operation of a streetcar, and even when they do there’s no guarantee they’ll use it with something that looks like this. San Francisco probably does because the steep uphill grades and sudden transitions at top and bottom basically render use of a longer train impractical, if not outright impossible. Detroit just added integrated tracks a few years ago, but they use something that looks more like the Airport Shuttle, with two identical cars that can be used to operate the train, depending on which is in front. I can’t remember where I saw it, but I’ve even seen a trackless streetcar in operation once. It looked very much like this, but was driving on inflated tires using some sort of independent power source. It offered the same look, without the expensive and limiting infrastructure, as well as affording the possibility of avoiding obstacles. I mean, what do you do when you’re driving one of these and there’s an accident right in your path?

I'm curious how they will fit everything inside to tram. Too bad we don't have the instructions yet. It seems as for the battery pack we'll need to take everything out, no ?

It looks nice, especially the cable car, though the buildings seem a little basic. I prefer last year's 10293.

Hooray! Was sweating a little bit that this was not announced yet, especially after last year's GWP problems.

I have been assembling the other 12 for the last few months with lights,cool white inside and colour outside for a lego christmas winter village with mountain ski lift. I just completed putting the railway around the mountain. Now need to find spare for a 13th addition is that unlucky?

I was really expecting more Stags/deer, but this sure looks nice

The buildings feel a bit too simple imo, and also too little snow on them. But i like the set nonetheless. Maybe they could have made the toyshop into something cooler like a shoe store for example. Quite a challenge to make a good shoe store in lego bricks

@elangab said:
"I'm curious how they will fit everything inside to tram. Too bad we don't have the instructions yet. It seems as for the battery pack we'll need to take everything out, no ?"

Sure seems that way. If you look at the set detail page for 10308 and go under 'More Images' there's an image of the trolley on tracks and it shows the battery box basically taking up the entire space inside that's between the side windows.

I'll build the tree and leave the decorations off and just use it as a normal pine tree elsewhere in town. They don't need an umpteenth Christmas tree...not even in Winter Village.

Really curious how the trolley will be converted to Powered Up. I'm sure the necessary pieces will add $75 to the cost.

EDIT: Did the math based on the required Powered Up parts listed on the back of the box. $74 for the Powered Up parts alone. Track is extra.

A really nice looking set! Seems kinda like a 21324 123 Sesame Street extention, in a good way! And that tram will do good on a 9V system! <3

I do not get the hype about this Set. 1st of all i can´t see where all the 1500pieces go and 2nd why is it a 18+ Set if concidered to build with the whole family?!

Tram driver's pocketwatch tells the wrong time...

@WesterBricks said:
"
I like it a lot, it will be tough to wait until Black Friday when I traditionally pick up WV sets."
Good luck getting it on Black Friday, you'll certainly need it!

@Reventon said:
"Will look good once de-snowed, de-christmased and de-wintered."

Agreed 100%! I couldn't wait, and started reverse-engineering the music store to add a back to it this morning using LDD, changing it to a post office in the process. See here: https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/192145-10308-inspired-moc-1920s-post-office-and-mail-delivery-vehicle/

@PDelahanty:
Track? Where we’re going, we don’t need track! Just point us at the nearest wall, and let physics take over. But not on shag carpet. We can’t handle that…

@Paperdaisy:
Ghostbusters HQ is closed, but it’s the only building in a theme that’s not very cohesive, and did originate with the Ideas Ecto-1. Ideas has the new lighthouse and the Old Fishing Store, but on the other hand it also has the Flintstones and Sesame Street. I’m not really sure how to classify the Doctor Who set, since the Tardis does close up, but the interior spills outside when it’s open. Harry Potter might have some buildings with closed backs, but most are open. Yeah, I think Modulars is the one theme where they pointedly decided that everything shall be closed in back.

@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Wait, $100 USD? That's...not awful, and illustrates where licensing costs are hitting Lego hard."

Hard to say it's all licensing, since sets like 71773, 71774, 60321, and 60346 exist (in-house sets that are horribly overpriced). Then there are licensed sets such as 21189, 75336, and the vast majority of Speed Champions sets which provide very good value for their retail price.

Seems more like Lego is throwing darts while blindfolded.

@dukedishin said:
"I don’t love the set design, but it’s good enough to win a place in my winter display. Honestly was going to sit this one out when I thought it was $130, but at $100 (and probably price increased next year) I’m going to jump in.

Also, while we’re here - I love this site so much and visit it daily but it has to be the most clumsily-designed mobile site I ever use. The amount of ads and how intrusive they are is honestly inexcusable. I almost never visit on mobile specifically because of how slow it loads, how many ads I have to click through, and how many times I need to reload. I’d very much appreciate some attention to it, @Huw"

There’s a free Adblock extension called Ublock Origin. Use that, along with Duck Duck Go as your main search engine, and you’ll see a LOT less ads.

Am I the only one concerned that whoever put the set together put one of the tram windscreens back to front, and the wreath upside down? But generally, what @CCC and some others said - mostly background filler out of keeping with most WV to date, almost a combo of the small supporting sets we’ve had as GWPs or add-ins. But also as others have said, that won’t stop me from buying it!

I understand the reason for a dark winter evening sky box background (I’ve just been a little depressed by all the black AFOL black box marketing. We never sought such marketing!).

I would love a decent tram for the kids but this whole set is lacklustre for the theme. I’m sick of the MF expressions and wish for the old simple smiles and non highlighted eyes. The design and build is what matters, kids make up the play.

@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Also also, I'm getting serious Mr. Rogers vibes from that trolley.

(Piano music plays)"

Yeah - I got that, too. I don't collect these sets, but I started looking up pics to see if I could use this set as a starting point to make my own Mr. Roger's trolley.

It's an amazing set! And I noticed that there is an easter egg in the set that's a sticker of the Gingerbread House Winter Village set!

@PixelTheDragon said:
" @dukedishin said:
"Also, while we’re here - I love this site so much and visit it daily but it has to be the most clumsily-designed mobile site I ever use. The amount of ads and how intrusive they are is honestly inexcusable. I almost never visit on mobile specifically because of how slow it loads, how many ads I have to click through, and how many times I need to reload. I’d very much appreciate some attention to it, @Huw"

There’s a free Adblock extension called Ublock Origin. Use that, along with Duck Duck Go as your main search engine, and you’ll see a LOT less ads."
I have a fairly popular (non-Lego) site that is 100% ad-supported. If people blocked ads, I'd have to shut it down. (Although, I too hate ads, so I keep ads limited to a maximum of three banner ads on any single page. One at the top, one at the bottom, one on the side. Hopefully that's enough to not be annoying like some sites are.)

I don't get it: if you click the link on this sentence above: The Winter Village Collection includes 13 sets in total. You will see that the designer for 10199 (the first ever Winter model) is Jamie Berard. Then the designer for 10249 (6 years later) is Morten Rauff. How does that work? you take an original design; change a few part colours and voila you have your own design?!?!?!......

The price point is good but the buildings aren't as substantial as past buildings, they shouldn't have made the tram. Doesn't the tram contradict the need for a train or the train contradict the need for a tram? I liked the cozier buildings of the past. Oh well, at least it's not a police station or hospital. I would have liked a light brick though. Overall I'll give it a meh. The price point is the only thing saving this set.

I’ll buy it because it’s Winter Village and it has a tram, but it’s not one of my favorites of the collection. Would’ve been nice if the music store included the banjo from the Muppets CMF series.

@Gibbo1959:
I was scouring all of the twelve images to see where they'd flipped the wreath and reversed a window frame, and I couldn't zoom in enough on mobile, so I hopped on a computer. Then I figured out what you meant is that the window _glass_ is flipped around so the logo is seen in reverse (though this does make the placement of the gate marks more symmetrical), and that the logos on the visible studs on the wreath are also upside-down.

@HOBBES:
All I remember from that incident was that they hadn't intended to release a WV set that year, having not come to the conclusion yet that they'd basically established a new sub-theme, or that families would have turned building them into a holiday tradition by then. It was decided pretty late in the game that maybe they should release _something_, and even with an existing design, it would have been a fair amount of work to run through the entire inventory of the set, figure out which parts were available, which weren't, and what could be subbed in for the missing parts. This all had to be done within a budget. Rauff probable got design credit for volunteering to slog through that process. Having sourced parts for MOCs that are large compared to most LEGO sets, I can appreciate the effort that went into that, especially given how little love it received at the time. It's the only one I've actually skipped, which I kinda regret now. I haven't built any of the large sets, so if I had both versions, I could leave the original sealed.

@oldtodd33:
Train brings them into the village, and streetcar helps them get around during their stay. I would not expect a hospital, but a rural doctor's office would be entirely appropriate (and given how many kids end up wearing casts or using crutches at any given time of year, it might make doing so through the Christmas holiday season more palatable).

@Reg:
Well, it _is_ missing its traditional October 1st release date...

@Gibbo1959 said:
"Am I the only one concerned that whoever put the set together put one of the tram windscreens back to front, and the wreath upside down? But generally, what @CCC and some others said - mostly background filler out of keeping with most WV to date, almost a combo of the small supporting sets we’ve had as GWPs or add-ins. But also as others have said, that won’t stop me from buying it!"

Immediately. Very first thing I saw. Very concerned.

@PurpleDave said:
"To everyone complaining about “yet another tree”, keep in mind that your entire neighborhood doesn’t look at the tree in your front yard and conclude that you’ve got it taken care of, so they don’t need to bother.

@Binnekamp :
Cultural differences for sure. In the US, very few places have tracks integrated into the streets to even allow operation of a streetcar, and even when they do there’s no guarantee they’ll use it with something that looks like this. San Francisco probably does because the steep uphill grades and sudden transitions at top and bottom basically render use of a longer train impractical, if not outright impossible. Detroit just added integrated tracks a few years ago, but they use something that looks more like the Airport Shuttle, with two identical cars that can be used to operate the train, depending on which is in front. I can’t remember where I saw it, but I’ve even seen a trackless streetcar in operation once. It looked very much like this, but was driving on inflated tires using some sort of independent power source. It offered the same look, without the expensive and limiting infrastructure, as well as affording the possibility of avoiding obstacles. I mean, what do you do when you’re driving one of these and there’s an accident right in your path?"

In SF, the trolley track is integrated with the car traffic on streets so the trolleyd have to slow down and even wait on cars. In New Orleans, the trolleys run down the median on divided roadways.

My point about this set lacking track as a positive is that it allows them to increase the builds and keep prices down.

I've got tons of track. I'm sure most people who enjoy trains do (and likely most WV fans). Let those who don't buy it separately. Also, as you pointed out, lots of kids buying this in isolation can have a good time without it.

Day one purchase. Love it.

Still going to get the set, likely day 1, not because of a need to have a complete WV collection (even though getting these sets has become a holiday tradition), but because I have been pining for a trolley for a long time. (They otherwise keep missing the voting mark on the Ideas page, and I don't have the time to design one myself). The set could have just been the trolley and I would have been happy - can't say I'm uber excited about the buildings, but at the worst, they become extra parts for other things in the village.

The lack of tracks, while a little surprising, doesn't bother me much. I already have spare track and I could modify this into a "trolley bus" fairly easily. We have a few bus companies around here who charter busses that look like trolley cars but run on rubber tires. They're most prevalent during the holiday shopping season as a shuttle, but have also been rented out for weddings and other celebrations.

@dukedishin said:
"I don’t love the set design, but it’s good enough to win a place in my winter display. Honestly was going to sit this one out when I thought it was $130, but at $100 (and probably price increased next year) I’m going to jump in.

Also, while we’re here - I love this site so much and visit it daily but it has to be the most clumsily-designed mobile site I ever use. The amount of ads and how intrusive they are is honestly inexcusable. I almost never visit on mobile specifically because of how slow it loads, how many ads I have to click through, and how many times I need to reload. I’d very much appreciate some attention to it, @Huw"

I sign in and the ads are not nearly as bad if at all.

Sure most set is small pieces?

I like the tram, it looks great. It being able to run on track is a bonus. I really don't think we should expect this set to include track. Or any electric components.

@Binnekamp said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @darthmar said:
"Why a tram? I don't get it.
I don't like this set but I'll buy it to keep my WV collection complete. "

Trams (or "trolleys" as they're popularly known in the US) are a popular nostalgia vehicle and remind people of places like New Orleans or San Francisco, where they're still at least somewhat in use. They're useful as a relatively low-cost people mover that also hits people right in the "charmingly nostalgic" button. So yes, this is an effective fit for a small nostalgic shopping village setting."

Ah yes, public transport options. Anything that isn't your own car. Remember those? XD

Cultural differences I suppose.

This set looks nice, although the scale of the buildings reminds me of some Creator and City buildings more than WV ones. But the set is affordable enough (for once!), so I'm happy!"
Where I live, cars are status symbol first, transport second. Public transport is the main way to get around, you are never more than a stone's throw away from the closest bus or train stop. This is sorta enforced by cars being made arbitrarily stupid expensive to own (hence status symbol), but thankfully our public transport is really, really good.

By Gibbo1959 in United Kingdom, 22 Sep 2022 17:34

Am I the only one concerned that whoever put the set together put one of the tram windscreens back to front, and the wreath upside down? But generally, what @CCC and some others said - mostly background filler out of keeping with most WV to date, almost a combo of the small supporting sets we’ve had as GWPs or add-ins. But also as others have said, that won’t stop me from buying it!

j/k someone's fired

@StyleCounselor:
Detroit's Q-Line is integrated into the outer lanes on multi-lane roads, and it does present issues that weren't a problem before. It runs right in front of the Detroit Symphony Orchestra, and on days when they perform, cars are regularly pulling up in front of the main doors to drop people off before heading to the parking garage. That's right where the Q-Line runs, which means it can't proceed until all of those cars are out of the way. 2019 was the first year it was in operation, and the last year that we were able to display there due to the pandemic, so I don't really remember how that was managed at the time. If it had been in place when the DSO was built, I'm sure they would have prioritized entrances on one or both sides, rather than right out front. Since it wasn't, out front was the biggest road available, and the one most capable of handling the amount of traffic they get before and after performances.

Regarding the lack of track, remember that the number of AFOLs with overly abundant track collections who buy this will be outnumbered by kids with no track. I've been collecting LEGO sets longer than minifigs have existed, and my 9v track collection consists of 18 curves and six straights that I won in a Dirty Brickster, and I think my RC track collection is the WV train. Most kids who do have track collections probably just have tons of curves, since every train (except that Hidden Side one) that come with L-gauge track give you 16 curves, and many don't have a single straight.

@DaBigE:
The trackless streetcar that I saw was running during warm weather, so probably operates all year. The really weird one is pedal-powered and serves beer. Riders all have seats down each side with pedals, to help power forward movement, but steering is controlled by an employed "driver" (which is why the other riders can legally drink).

I am still puzzled why 8x16 plates are not main building modular system.
Its so good and it works for friends.

Seems unreal that they keep the price at $100 for the winter set with slightly more pieces. They could have easily make it $120 or even $150 and people would still buy them without complaining many since most sets these days are well over 10 cents per piece. Consider they have kept the $100 price since 2012, and some of them only has 1100-1200 pieces.

One fourth or one third of a building (and these buildings are really small), no baseplates, really not many bricks in the set for 100 EUR is just too expensive. I think 50 EUR would be a fair price.

@Torbo said:
"I would rather have less trolley and more building. It feels like the buildings are half finished, theyre just so shallow. Thats just a personal preference anyway, im sure there are lots of people that will be really happy with that very nicely done trolley. These buildings feel very basic compared to last years house, which was such a neat build. I think its another great set in the WV line, i just think it doesnt suit me as well as the previous 3 in the series."

Same feeling here, it is a step back in details if we compare it to previous 3 sets, which is unfortunate, it looks to me more like a creator 3 in 1 set..

This is so quintessential 1900's Main St in the US. When cable cars and horse and carriages were the mode of transportation. Small stores in the downtown all had living quarters above them. This set is going on my wish list.

@HOBBES said:
That info-box is not always accurate since multiple designers contribute ideas to each set. Quite a number of designers who’ve been with the company for many years don’t even have their own list of designed sets unfortunately. An example would be one of my favorite technic designers, Marcus Kossmann, who sadly doesn’t have his own list so ultimately many of the models principally designed by him are credited to other set designers.

Yes I will buy it also if it is overpriced in Switzerland with 129,00 CHF at the today exchange rate it shall be 95.

@dukedishin said:
"I don’t love the set design, but it’s good enough to win a place in my winter display. Honestly was going to sit this one out when I thought it was $130, but at $100 (and probably price increased next year) I’m going to jump in.

Also, while we’re here - I love this site so much and visit it daily but it has to be the most clumsily-designed mobile site I ever use. The amount of ads and how intrusive they are is honestly inexcusable. I almost never visit on mobile specifically because of how slow it loads, how many ads I have to click through, and how many times I need to reload. I’d very much appreciate some attention to it, @Huw"

If you create an account and sign in there are no ads, and mobile loads just fine.

I don't normally get the WV sets but day 1 for sure. The trolley is what sold me.

Love the trolley, I just wish it was sold on its own so I could buy multiple cars to extend more economically than $100 a time or searching for individual parts on brick link. I assume most people would just take the motor, bluetooth battery box and track from their City train rather than purchasing these parts individually.

@lordofdragonss:
They didn’t exist when Cafe Corner was released, and switching to them would render old and new Modulars incompatible with each other. They’re not great for larger builds because you have to stitch them together in the center of a model, often where there’s just open space. It’s less of an issue for 1.5 Modulars because placing a 16x32 baseplate next to a 32x32 doesn’t result in a 4-way corner in the middle, plus they often make the half-baseplate detachable with Technic pins.

Looks awesome… Shame it’s 18+, my little girl would have enjoyed building it. Oh well. ??

@Rednaxela said:
"Looks awesome… Shame it’s 18+, my little girl would have enjoyed building it. Oh well. ??"

The age range is just a suggestion? It shouldn't be that difficult to put together if you help her...

Tram is great. The houses look rather underwhelming, though. Remind me of old Harry Potter sets..

I like this and its slightly Bedford Falls (Wonderful Life) vibe. This looks like a good fit with 10254 and 10259 - the holiday train and station which goes round our Christmas tree every year. And I am sure that tram could be readily moc'ed to be another carriage - or a tram with tracks if it's compatible. This news brings an unexpected additional set for my wish list.

It feels like this is quite a good investment as both used and new you can probably expect it to be worth double or triple its selling price, my winter village bakery while used seems to be worth quite a lot now and it must be due to the exclusivity of a one off winter set.

That said not going to get, my interest in winter village isn’t the greatest.

@PurpleDave said:
" @DaBigE :
The trackless streetcar that I saw was running during warm weather, so probably operates all year. The really weird one is pedal-powered and serves beer. Riders all have seats down each side with pedals, to help power forward movement, but steering is controlled by an employed "driver" (which is why the other riders can legally drink)."

Those pedal pubs are only as safe as the driver. An overturn accident from taking a curve to fast with a DUI driver in Atlanta this May sent 15 people to the hospital, a couple with critical injuries.

@PolarMammoth:
The WV sets usually repeat for three holiday seasons before being retired. I skipped the first two, but ended up deciding maybe I should start collecting them when the third set launches, and I was able to buy all three in one purchase. There have been some minor tweaks during repeat years, as some minifig heads have gone out of production, forcing substitutions in repeat years. I think the train got four years, because there wasn’t any point of selling the train station without a train to pair it with.

The result is that most of these are available for at least eleven months, spread out over 27 months, so not really “one-off” (even the wreath and Santa’s Sleigh have returned for a second season). But a lot of the value derives from the fact that this is a theme that has been running for the past 13 years, and a lot of newcomers try to collect the back catalog as best they can. SW UCS and Modulars get a lot of the same type of buyers, having both been around even longer.

@StyleCounselor:
I don’t drink, so that throws a real damper on the appeal right out of the gate, but it’s not entirely about the driver. They have zero accelerator response. If they see that they’re about to get clipped, there’s no stomping on the gas to get out of the way. If the patrons start digging it, they can’t exactly force everyone to pedal faster. They may be required to have chauffeur’s licenses to operate these vehicles. If they are, I’ve been told by a couple truck drivers that their CDL doubles any penalties they incur for traffic violations, from points on their licenses, to fines, and even jail time. Driver quality certainly does vary, but those penalties should help to force incompetent or careless drivers out of the business. I mean, eventually you’d lose your endorsement and no longer be allowed to drive commercial vehicles. Unfortunately, it’s usually possible to reinstate a standard license, so those drivers just end up back on the road in passenger vehicles instead. Given what you say happened, there probably wasn’t anything the pub driver could have done to avoid the accident, regardless of whether or not they were driving perfectly in accordance with the law.

How on earth did we get from a tram/cable car to a bierfiets? Those are two completely different things, right?

@PurpleDave said:
" @PolarMammoth:
The WV sets usually repeat for three holiday seasons before being retired. I skipped the first two, but ended up deciding maybe I should start collecting them when the third set launches, and I was able to buy all three in one purchase. There have been some minor tweaks during repeat years, as some minifig heads have gone out of production, forcing substitutions in repeat years. I think the train got four years, because there wasn’t any point of selling the train station without a train to pair it with.

The result is that most of these are available for at least eleven months, spread out over 27 months, so not really “one-off” (even the wreath and Santa’s Sleigh have returned for a second season). But a lot of the value derives from the fact that this is a theme that has been running for the past 13 years, and a lot of newcomers try to collect the back catalog as best they can. SW UCS and Modulars get a lot of the same type of buyers, having both been around even longer.

I see what you mean, they stick around a while I guess but I kinda meant one off as once it’s gone for good they don’t tend to remake the same set like they would with an x-wing or tie fighter."

this is the worst lego set in winter village history. The days of the first lego sets, with a Christmas theme, are far away. It is a model already seen, there is no news, just to sell something. It is not fair to buy just because it is lego. where are the great designers like Mel Caddick, Steen Sig Andersen or Jamie Berard with the best set like 10229 or 10199.

I am with lots of other people in that I'm a bit disappointed with the facade-type buildings here.

But then, the last 3 buildings: Gingerbread, Elf, Santa's Visit, with some intricate detailing, are the exceptions in the rule of WV facades so maybe we've been spoiled for the last few years.

Nevertheless, it's still looks more like the level of a Creator 3in1 and not an adult 18+

@Gibbo1959 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @Rednaxela said:
"Looks awesome… Shame it’s 18+, my little girl would have enjoyed building it. Oh well. ??"

The age range is just a suggestion? It shouldn't be that difficult to put together if you help her..."

And now I don’t know if that’s a double bluff or you guys really don’t get British humour!"

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and call for double bluff.

@dingbat591 said:
" @Gibbo1959 said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @Rednaxela said:
"Looks awesome… Shame it’s 18+, my little girl would have enjoyed building it. Oh well. ??"

The age range is just a suggestion? It shouldn't be that difficult to put together if you help her..."

And now I don’t know if that’s a double bluff or you guys really don’t get British humour!"

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and call for double bluff."

Pretty sure its a triple bluff :)

This is a modest and wonderful Winter Village set.
It has a clear winter/Christmas atmosphere around it and it tries to evoke a scene, not just a building.

True, the buildings are shallow but larger buildings would have inflated the piece count and price so we would be having that debate. And replacing two smaller building by one single wouldn't really result in a 'Main Street' vibe either.

When e.g. 10259 released in 2019, the station was overly modest and open as well so this isn't new.

I definitely prefer smaller builds that evoke the theme compared to nonsensical designs like 10245 or the terrible 10267 .

There are complaints everywhere online that Lego is overstepping by making sets too large and too expensive. Apparently making smaller yet good looking sets isn't wanted either?

Everyone always brags about 'don't criticise a set if you don't like it, it is Lego so you can remake/rebuild/MOC the hell out of it'. Again apparently not the case over here.

I like this new Winter Village set, I have no issues with the houses being shallow or the motorisation of the tram too drastic for the build. Less is more and nice to see Lego is understanding this again for a chance.

I do agree on the 18+ labelling. Completely pointless.

I absolutely love that trolley so much! I had the same problem with in 60335, I love that bus. I wish they'd release them as a separate $15-$20 set.

@Watsonite said:
"I do agree on the 18+ labelling. Completely pointless."

LOL Lego is so weird.

There's no trolley pole, but there's obviously a grip in the center of the car. This is no trolley. It's a cable car.

Cable cars are now found in only one place in the entire world: San Francisco. I'm afraid I don't associate San Francisco with Christmas at all. It's more of active disassociation.

The price is sure good though. And it is nice to see a cable car get Lego treatment, even if a trolley or a horse-drawn tram would have been more appropriate for this set. I think cable cars are probably the most amazing and fun-to-ride rail transit form in existence.

Please just sign in! all that frantic stuff goes away!

Buildings in previous years had more depth. These just look to shallow, almost just a facade and that's it. I'm on the fence about this set.

@AllenSmith:
Care to expand on that for those of us who don't know the difference?

@MandaPanda742 said:
"I absolutely love that trolley so much! I had the same problem with in 60335, I love that bus. I wish they'd release them as a separate $15-$20 set."

You missed your opportunity with 60154

@AllenSmith:
And you think the black bit with the gas nozzle is this clamp lever? I see a pair of seats facing out the openings, with a shared back between them. The black handle appears to butt up against this seat back, suggesting the possibility that it’s simply a handle for a standing passenger to hold onto.

What do you think are the chances of them releasing an additional winter village tram set next year - similar to the winter village train and train station?

@PurpleDave said:
" @AllenSmith:
And you think the black bit with the gas nozzle is this clamp lever? I see a pair of seats facing out the openings, with a shared back between them. The black handle appears to butt up against this seat back, suggesting the possibility that it’s simply a handle for a standing passenger to hold onto."

The whole vehicle is clearly modeled after a Powell Street cable car. You can tell by the seating configuration, the little windows at the top, the bell, the exterior poles, the running direction of the sideways benches going at the front, and of course the conspicuous lack of trolley pole. Another giveaway distinctive is that there's no space for the operator at the ends of the vehicle, and in the box art, the he's shown standing at the black thing. You'd never see that in an electric streetcar. Their controls are at the ends of the car, to give the operator the best view for safety. In cable cars, the grip is positioned between those two sideways benches at the front, set back several feet. It's never right at the front.

The set designer may not have known any of this trivia and just copied a San Francisco streetcar because they're famous. But these distinctives make the source obvious.

@darthnorman said:
"Another christmas tree seems superfluous but the other builds are really nice!"

Guess I'll add it to my christmas tree forest! haha

@AllenSmith:
I did a little reading, and besides the grip and bell, there are three different braking systems (shoes on the wheels, blocks on the track, and only in emergencies a wedge that drives into the cable slot hard enough it usually requires a cutting torch to remove it). I suppose this is important because the cable only limits downhill speed if you can maintain a grip on it (and things break). The onboard battery is actually quite large, as it has to power the headlights, interior lights, GPS, and cameras, but the lighting has all been switched over to LED to extend the runtime before an individual car needs to return to the barn for recharging. You'd think someone would have considered adding a small generator attached to the wheels to recharge while driving. And there's also a conductor assigned to each car, to take fares, manage passengers, and engage the block brakes on the track (gripman operates the shoe brakes on the wheels, and I would hope both have the ability to engage the emergency brake).

The only reason San Francisco still has a cable car system at all is because it's a tourist draw that was overhauled in 1979 for $60 milllion, most of which came from the federal government. In 2017, it was discovered that conducters were pocketing cash fares, and one conducter was charged with felony embezzlement during a sting operation. And they have the highest rate of accidents per year and per vehicle mile of any form of mass transportation in the US. Right before the pandemic, the fares only brought in about 40% of the operating costs, so a valid question is that if they exist primarily to serve tourists, do they bring in enough tourists on their own for the city to recoup the remaining $46 million by way of sales taxes collected from local businesses, or if the whole thing is a net loss for the citizenry. While it is an iconic bit of San Francisco history, as the place that cable streetcars were invented, based on some of the details I read about the timing and funding of the 1979 overhaul, I suspect the whole thing is a bit of a bluendoggle these days.

BTW, there are other cable car systems still in operation around the world, but not of the streetcar variety. Most are used exclusively to traverse steep inclines over short distances. Some are motor-driven from the top, and others are gravity driven for downhill transit only (put a heavy load on the left car, and the right car acts as a partial counterweight to control descent as it's raised back up the hill for the next load).

In terms of design considerations, I spent way more time researching my Routemaster bus than I did designing it (I knocked out the basic design while watching the closing ceremonies to the 2012 London Olympics), because I could never find a source of pictures that showed both sides, and I could see that there were two distinct window layouts (it was only finding a photo showing the length of the upper deck that allowed me to match the L/R layouts with the upper deck seating arrangement). I could see the designer randomly grabbing a photo of a "streetcar" without realizing exactly what it was, or I could see them specifically designing a San Francisco cable car without the marketing department being informed what they were looking at (or just not caring).

@Gibbo1959 said:
"Am I the only one concerned that whoever put the set together put one of the tram windscreens back to front, and the wreath upside down?"

Well, at least know it was a real set and not a render!

@legoverslinder said:
"Hey, where is the light up brick? I've never really caared about the light up brick in the winter village sets, but I do care about traditions. Every wvs had one so this should have to."

Agree - XMAS needs lights !!

My big fear about this set is that it uses "powered up" technology, which requires an app to operate the train. LEGO is famous for dropping support for technology in a short time. How much you want to bet, that the app will no longer work and will not be available in 10 years, and that these trains with their electronic components will be duds!

For that reason, I am going to go to the secondary market and acquire "power functions" technology, make a few minor modifications to the set, so that I can use power functions as opposed to powered up, and operate the tram with my remote control that I bought for the christmas train a few years back, instead of an app that will not work in a few years from now.