A look at the minifigs in 21337 Table Football
Posted by Huw,
21337 Table Football, which was revealed a couple of weeks ago and will be available from November the 1st, is the first non-licenced set to contain skin-toned minifigures.
Furthermore, it comes with far more minifig components than are needed to create players for two 5-a-side squads. There are male heads and female heads in six different skin-tones, and a wide variety of hairpieces, allowing you to build your dream teams however you see fit.
Our review sample has just arrived, so I've not had a chance to build and play with it yet. However, I have opened every single bag in order to gather the minifigure parts together for this article.
The minifig pieces really are spread across almost every bag in the box, two per numbered bag, which was a bit of a nuisance, but it will of course prevent pilfering.
44 heads are provided, 22 male and 22 female. The colours used for skin tones has grown recently and unless you've been buying a lot of licenced sets this year you may not recognise some of them.
They are, from left-to-right:
- Light nougat
- Warm tan (new this year, first used for The Mandalorian's head)
- Nougat
- Medium nougat
- Medium brown (new this year)
- Reddish brown
There are heads with smiles, grimaces, glasses, beards, hearing aids, moustaches, stubble, and even one with vitiligo.
The majority have alternate expressions on the obverse but not all, because some hair pieces do not completely cover them up.
One of them -- 4th one down, 4th row with the shaved pattern in his hair, is designed for a specific hairpiece
Accompanying the 44 heads are 43 hairs in a wide variety of colours and styles. Many combinations are new in this set, but don't ask me which ones!
Two of them appear twice: 4th and 5th ones from the left, second row down, and also the two below them.
The range of hairstyles available nowadays compared to, say, 10 years ago, never ceases to amaze me.
Note that the stand does not come in the set!
Ten field players per team are provided, and two goalkeepers. The former have a variety of different hand colours which therefore restricts the composition of your team, unless you resort to removing hands and swapping them around, which is something that neither LEGO nor us recommend as it can cause the arms to split.
The goalkeepers are wearing gloves so can be fitted with any of the heads.
Once you've thoroughly examined all the options you can start to assemble your dream teams!
It's clear that a lot of love and attention has gone in to designing and providing such a diverse selection of characters, and I think it's an excellent initiative, one which makes the set far more interesting than if there were just 10 yellow-headed figures.
I'll build the set over the next few days and deliver my verdict on it in due course.
Please keep the discussion civil. We will be vigorously moderating the comments.
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Nothing wrong with all of these elements, it’s just not the set that they should be made available in. It’s pretty clear that they threw all of this in there because they needed to meet their price quota and the set alone wasn’t doing it. A great variety though, definitely expands the possibilities for making people.
Kudos to LEGO for putting so much thought into this. My first visual reaction when I saw these was, what a great pair of spaceship crews they would make. The uniforms remind me of Star Trek and such.
Excellent selection of heads and hair pieces!!
Perhaps, the most interesting part of the set...
I feel that this set is very overpriced, but it might make a good Minifigure parts pack.
Let's all be mature adults in the comments. :)
Are these perhaps all hair pieces that are in production right now?
Thank you for posting these, I really wanted to see all of what was included, but the official lego images didn't show them all clearly
So its clear that this set is probably going to be popular not because it did the original set justice but because its essentially a minifig parts pack...albeit a very expensive one
I want all these parts and not the Foosball table and I imagine a lot of Foosball people don't necessarily want all these minifigs. No one wins here. Shame, they look great.
It’s cool and all, but my personality type is such that I would prefer if every part had a destination. Multiple options means that most of the pieces (due to limited space) go into a storage bin, rather than into a more active play/fun queue.
If I could assemble as many minifigures as there are heads? I’m totally buying it, no questions asked. This is just my freakish hang-up, most definitely not an opinion that is likely shared by many.
They are really cool, though.
This is amazing to have such combinations and selection. Wow! This is great. I wish these heads and hairpieces were attainable in a different way than purchasing the foosball table.
I wonder if this will mean these heads are available on Pick a Brick?
That would be amazing. Could start to think about making all my yellow figs into fleshies if that was the case. Having enough hands would be an issue though.
This is so stupid. Am I supposed to believe that they didn't have the budget to make one new axel mould, but had just enough to make so many new hairs and heads? A fuzzball table isn't the set to introduce so many diverse figures. I have never seen a fuzzball table where one player has pink hair and the other has albinism. They should have been introduced in a seperete more affordable set.
Definitely feel more like Star Trek crew than footballers. Do feel like all these minifigs are just wasted in a set like this. Just can't see people changing out the teams after they have chose their initial team. Should have been released separately for the people who want this type of product and just reduced the cost of the footy set.
@Iwanek said:
"This is so stupid. Am I supposed to believe that they didn't have the budget to make one new axel mould, but had just enough to make so many new hairs and heads? A fuzzball table isn't the set to introduce so many diverse figures. I have never seen a fuzzball table where one player has pink hair and the other has albinism. They should have been introduced in a seperete more affordable set. "
New molds of any sort (no matter how simple) cost WAY more up-front than new printed or recolored parts, especially when those parts are as commonly printed as minifigure heads. The main costs associated with printed parts are machine time (where the printing process takes longer than an unprinted part which is complete after molding) and storage/inventory space (where each part and recolor needs to have space devoted to it for logistical purposes). By comparison, a new mold needs both of those things PLUS a large up-front cost for designing, engineering and machining a high-quality steel mold. It's not comparable.
I also hope that many of these printed faces might find their way into other sets in the future, and possibly services like the online build-a-mini/minifigure factory so that people can get "made-to-order figs" that more closely resemble them. If that does happen, it would help to justify the cost of putting them into production for this set.
I don't get the appeal of flesh tones outside of licensed sets.
@Huw Just so you know, the goalies in the last picture are with the wrong teams! The purple goes with team blue, and orange goes with red team, according to the logos on the uniforms.
@Iwanek said:
"This is so stupid. Am I supposed to believe that they didn't have the budget to make one new axel mould, but had just enough to make so many new hairs and heads? A fuzzball table isn't the set to introduce so many diverse figures. I have never seen a fuzzball table where one player has pink hair and the other has albinism. They should have been introduced in a seperete more affordable set. "
The designers have made clear that the design was simply not technically feasible at a regular scale, regardless of the techniques they tried. A single new axel mold would not have helped, because the issue wasn't only axels breaking. So, regardless of how you feel about the minifigs, they didn't "take away" from Lego making a set more scaled to the original.
Meanwhile a Tony Stark minifigure in a 550€ licensed UCS model still gets the wrong hair piece, the same head as in the last 20 sets, without leg printing and a torso which looks like it was printed 20 years ago.
Personally I think sets like this are smart. OK, you don't want it for the set? Buy it for the pieces.
.....
Is this the first time the middle-parted, Han Solo 70's hair is available in blond?
It would make much more sense to just put these in a polybag.
This would have been a perfect set to bring back the early minifigures like OLD022, which would look a lot more like the players on a real foosball table.
In itself nothing wrong with this, it could have been a pretty nice minifig set that many people would want to buy. Too bad they are used in the wrong set. I'd think that many people interested in these figs aren't interested in a football table, and most people interested in a football table would rather prefer just 10 figs that actually look like football players. And I might be going on a limb here, but I guess both sides wouldn't mind a much lower price just for the bit they actually want. As it is now, both sides lose...
@monkyby87 said:
"Nothing wrong with all of these elements, it’s just not the set that they should be made available in. It’s pretty clear that they threw all of this in there because they needed to meet their price quota and the set alone wasn’t doing it. A great variety though, definitely expands the possibilities for making people. "
That was my thought--they added the minifigs to justify scaling it down but maintaining a price point.
@Iwanek said:
" Am I supposed to believe that they didn't have the budget to make one new axel mould, but had just enough to make so many new hairs and heads? "
Yes?
Bummer, all those faces and I can't really see myself in any of them unless I want to grow some stubble.
If I were to buy this set, I'd change out the players on the table for monofigs, use the torsos for crew of some sort & heads and hair for the minifig stash.
This would have made a perfect people pack as a standalone product.
As it stands these great pieces come in a mediocre and completely overpriced joke of a table football set.
What a waste, combining a great idea and a bad one to form one set no one can truly be happy with.
It surprises me that LEGO did not include the same number of heads in each skin tone. Another factor of this set that seems to cast doubt on whether this really is for everyone, or only for those whom LEGO has venerated as its target audience to the exclusion of others.
Limiting factor will still be hands in this case, yes people do replace them but it's not "official".
Hands should probably have been done in a neutral color here alongside the suit, so you can use all the combinations of heads in any way.
However, I can understand a middle-ground solution by using the medium brown hand torsos with reddish brown heads, it's "close enough" in this case and adding more skin tones is a good thing
Hands are just a minor nitpick here, but I feel LEGO can make more detailed sports outfits these days with dual moulded short sleeves or legs (as seen in 71014-0 : LEGO Minifigures - DFB Series {Random bag} ), but then the skin tones would be even more incompatible with half the heads.
That said, minidolls went from 3 to 6 skin tones this year and many of the torsos/legs do show skin for the arms and legs, both has pros and cons if you want to swap parts.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Huw Just so you know, the goalies in the last picture are with the wrong teams! The purple goes with team blue, and orange goes with red team, according to the logos on the uniforms."
Thanks -- I ony had a few hours to build and prepare the article so it didn't go through the usual QA :-)
That explains the cat hair among the wigs, too...
@TomKazutara said:
"I feel bad for the OG Idea's designer, all he wanted was a Soccer Table big enough for minifigures.
And Lego totally throw him under the bus, crippled the scale of the table, to an ridicules unplayable size, and than made a minifigure pack out of it, for 250€.
Also it's really sad, when you criticise it, and people come out and telling you that you are just against diversity, because Lego was doing a horrendous job of capturing the original idea from the designer."
I would really love it if people stopped projecting their own disappointment on Ideas fan creators in a vain attempt to give their own complaints more weight.
Has the fan designer come out and said that they were unsatisfied with what Lego did with the set? If not, you're just using them to try to make your dissatisfaction seem like a principled stance on behalf of the creator, rather than a mere matter of personal taste.
No male head light nougat with glasses!? No, that's racist from LEGO! This set is not inclusive for me!
Really cool! Should be a sperate parts pack, ad nauseam. Diversity is awesome but a $250 entry fee denies people from representation, Lego.
As nice and positive as this is, it still ruined the purpose of the set.
I said it before, but I'll say it again--I was REALLY looking forward to a foosball table, not a minifig battle pack.
Also, why is the blue team's logo a volleyball?
@Lyichir said:
" @TomKazutara said:
"I feel bad for the OG Idea's designer, all he wanted was a Soccer Table big enough for minifigures.
And Lego totally throw him under the bus, crippled the scale of the table, to an ridicules unplayable size, and than made a minifigure pack out of it, for 250€.
Also it's really sad, when you criticise it, and people come out and telling you that you are just against diversity, because Lego was doing a horrendous job of capturing the original idea from the designer."
I would really love it if people stopped projecting their own disappointment on Ideas fan creators in a vain attempt to give their own complaints more weight.
Has the fan designer come out and said that they were unsatisfied with what Lego did with the set? If not, you're just using them to try to make your dissatisfaction seem like a principled stance on behalf of the creator, rather than a mere matter of personal taste."
I really doubt that the Ideas creators don't have some form of NDA or other agreement they have to work in for their product approval. It would be a bad look for Lego if the fan designer came out angry about the adaptation of their build.
@TeriXeri said:
"Limiting factor will still be hands in this case, yes people do replace them but it's not "official"."
I've been on Brickset for years, and building with LEGO for decades, and this is the first time I remember reading that it's "illegal" to swap the hands on minifigures?!!! We have quite a few minifigs in our house, and the vast majority of them have seen a hand swap at some point or the other. Oops!
@jsworpin said:
"I wonder if this will mean these heads are available on Pick a Brick?
That would be amazing. Could start to think about making all my yellow figs into fleshies if that was the case. Having enough hands would be an issue though."
I hope they are, because I could use almost of them on Marvel customs.
Side note, i really like when minifigures are spread across different bags. Makes the build more enjoyable for me.
@AustinPowers said:
"This would have made a perfect people pack as a standalone product.
As it stands these great pieces come in a mediocre and completely overpriced joke of a table football set.
What a waste, combining a great idea and a bad one to form one set no one can truly be happy with. "
Yeah for real. I mean the foosball table set would have been fine at like $150, maybe as high as$200, but this should have been its own thing—especially if Lego's goal with these figures is into increase diversity. Locking parts for Minifigures with disabilities to a $250 set is kinda scummy.
Great selection. I just wish they were included in sets that aren't that undersized and overpriced table football set. Extras of unnamed characters in licensed themes could do with more variety in heads. Although we've gotten more now than before, stuff like facial hair or glasses can go a long way.
Although I prefer yellow minifigs over fleshies anyway (I don't like to look of the light medium flesh color and prefer stylization over accuracy to real-life), so I'm definitely not someone this set was made for anywy.
@SonOfDathomir said:
"I don't get the appeal of flesh tones outside of licensed sets."
Because, despite LEGO’s protestations, yellow is clearly Caucasian. Fleshies allow diversity.
@Shadowcloner said:
" I really doubt that the Ideas creators don't have some form of NDA or other agreement they have to work in for their product approval. It would be a bad look for Lego if the fan designer came out angry about the adaptation of their build. "
Do we know if Lego runs major changes by the designers? I'm pretty sure contractually they don't have to, but I'm wondering if, as a courtesy, they ask a designer if they'd be alright with proposed major changes before doing them?
Easily the best part of the set, and I hope we can see them more often in future sets. However, I’ll probably just Bricklink them all.
Not a single yellow head, hard pass
@ra226 said:
" @Shadowcloner said:
" I really doubt that the Ideas creators don't have some form of NDA or other agreement they have to work in for their product approval. It would be a bad look for Lego if the fan designer came out angry about the adaptation of their build. "
Do we know if Lego runs major changes by the designers? I'm pretty sure contractually they don't have to, but I'm wondering if, as a courtesy, they ask a designer if they'd be alright with proposed major changes before doing them?
"
I think it depends on the set. For example, I distinctly remember that a big part of the marketing around the Exo-Suit set focused on fan involvement- Peter Reid specifically requested that his friend Mark Stafford design the set, and not only was that request granted, but several prominent Classic Space fans (I think Tim Goddard and some other people) were also involved with the design process. I also seem to remember the fan designer of the Ship in the Bottle saying something about discussing the stability issue with LEGO. I'm not sure about other sets though, and I'm sure the Exo-Suit is an outlier due to the original's iconic status with a certain subset of AFOL and Peter Reid's prominence within the community, which was especially pronounced at that time.
@ForestMenOfEndor said:
" @TeriXeri said:
"Limiting factor will still be hands in this case, yes people do replace them but it's not "official"."
I've been on Brickset for years, and building with LEGO for decades, and this is the first time I remember reading that it's "illegal" to swap the hands on minifigures?!!! We have quite a few minifigs in our house, and the vast majority of them have seen a hand swap at some point or the other. Oops!"
Over time it can damage the arms, form tiny cracks, and hands won't fit anymore, especially on older ones.
And while LEGO has handless torsos in the Queer eye set, doesn't make hand swapping an official technique.
@TeriXeri said:
" @ForestMenOfEndor said:
" @TeriXeri said:
"Limiting factor will still be hands in this case, yes people do replace them but it's not "official"."
I've been on Brickset for years, and building with LEGO for decades, and this is the first time I remember reading that it's "illegal" to swap the hands on minifigures?!!! We have quite a few minifigs in our house, and the vast majority of them have seen a hand swap at some point or the other. Oops!"
Over time it can damage the arms, form tiny cracks, and hands won't fit anymore, especially on older ones.
And while LEGO has handless torsos in the Queer eye set, doesn't make hand swapping an official technique."
It's not illegal, just not recommended. If you find the need to do it, it's probably best to only swap hands out once per torso.
Very Star Trek.
@brickwich said:
"Personally I think sets like this are smart. OK, you don't want it for the set? Buy it for the pieces.
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Is this the first time the middle-parted, Han Solo 70's hair is available in blond?"
No, it's in 60309 as well.
@darkstonegrey said:
" @TeriXeri said:
" @ForestMenOfEndor said:
" @TeriXeri said:
"Limiting factor will still be hands in this case, yes people do replace them but it's not "official"."
I've been on Brickset for years, and building with LEGO for decades, and this is the first time I remember reading that it's "illegal" to swap the hands on minifigures?!!! We have quite a few minifigs in our house, and the vast majority of them have seen a hand swap at some point or the other. Oops!"
Over time it can damage the arms, form tiny cracks, and hands won't fit anymore, especially on older ones.
And while LEGO has handless torsos in the Queer eye set, doesn't make hand swapping an official technique."
It's not illegal, just not recommended. If you find the need to do it, it's probably best to only swap hands out once per torso."
I do it all the time - only rarely I get those hairline cracks, that I think are so minor they spoil the appearance less than mismatched hands. If anything it's a sign of Lego's declining quality if the plastic is so brittle.
@jsworpin said:
"Because, despite LEGO’s protestations, yellow is clearly Caucasian. Fleshies allow diversity."
If yellow is "clearly" Caucasian, wouldn't it have made more sense to create diversity by making minifigs with, say, green, blue or purple heads? Everyone represented!
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FWIW, I don't mind the fleshies and it's good they have such a variety. But it should have been a set on its own instead of a totally unnecessary addition to a ridiculously overpriced set. Even with fleshies, weren't 10 figs enough to create diversity?
I hope all the hair parts end up on PaB because there is no way that I am ever buying a set just for hair pieces, let alone this one.
@jsworpin said:
" @SonOfDathomir said:
"I don't get the appeal of flesh tones outside of licensed sets."
Because, despite LEGO’s protestations, yellow is clearly Caucasian. Fleshies allow diversity."
Caucasians haven't got yellow skin, and I think it's rather offensive to suggest they do.
Having grown up with Lego, I have never seen minifigures as representing me or any other human, nor do I desire them to do so. I don't have yellow skin, and neither does anyone else I've ever seen. I also don't have two-fingered hands, a cylindrical head, or an 80-inch waistline. Minifigures are their own species, and I prefer to let them be who they are, instead of insisting they conform to human body image norms. I embrace minifigure body positivity. Yellow skin is beautiful.
If Lego had gone with human skin tones in 1978, I'd be very enthusiastic about representing all human variation. But Lego chose to make minifigures non-human, and thus I would have much preferred Lego leave them that way. The weird result of retconning human skin onto minifigs is they actually decrease representation. In a set with 44 heads, there isn't one that even vaguely approximates mine. And the same is going to be true for most other people too. Suddenly the things we choose to make ourselves unique—our hair style, our glasses, our expressions—and the things we don't choose—our hair color, our age, etc.—might only exist in a non-matching color. Bummer.
Those won't appear on PAB - if they put them on there, Lego would just shoot themselves in the foot bc nobody would buy the set.
On another note, I can't be the only one who absolutely loathes the almost yellow-ish blonde hair color that's used for 96% of blond characters/figures nowadays? If it was just present occasionally, I wouldn't really care. But both normal tan (brick yellow) and dark tan are much better colors to realistically represent blond people, and I hope Lego course-corrects accordingly and produces more wigs in those colors
Can anyone work out the number of different unique teams that could be created from the different head and hair selections? Assuming any hair style can go with any face and saying that each face expression is a separate choice, but keeping head colour same as hand colour. I'm alright with maths but getting past even two players starts to mess with my head! Especially when two field players can be the same flesh colouring.
If you start with the blue team GK first. Taking into account 44 heads, with 34 extra expressions, accounts for 78 unique faces, with 41 hair styles (43 minus the two repeating hair styles) gives 3,198 combinations for Blue GK alone!
Then take the first blue field player (B1). This is where the complexity begins with the choices remaining after the GK above. Factor in if GK and B1 has same colouring, and if so then if the face used for the GK has a second facial expression then removing both faces as a choice for B1. Also factoring in that the hair style can be the same for the two repeating hairstyles. I think this gives 9,761,211 combinations for Blue team GK and first field player but I've very likely made one or more crucial statistical error!
@Ephseb said:
"Those won't appear on PAB - if they put them on there, Lego would just shoot themselves in the foot bc nobody would buy the set."
This is A feature of the set, not THE feature. I very much doubt this is a one-off; it is much more likely that this is the beginning of better minifigure representation rather than the culmination of it. Now that these parts exist, why wouldn't they continue to include them in future sets?
Plus, from a value perspective, if someone wants all ~90 of the head and hair parts, they're probably better off buying the set than just buying them individually on PaB. I don't see any reason they should wall them off.
Is this the only way they could sell the table or….?
I just hope they don’t replace the classic yellow minifigure.
Worth noting:
According to Racing Brick's review video of the set, the Fan Designer has stated that the figures were a part of the process from very early on; they were not added late in the process to make up for the downsizing or keep a price point. It was baked in up front.
Additionally, the fan designer stated that playability was the mail goal of his design, and the LEGO design folks bent over backwards to make that happen - size was the compromise that had to be made.
I really, really don't get the complaints about this set. It looks really fun to play, has a really cool set of minifigure parts, and is a rare type of set for LEGO - the playable game (the only clear predecessor I can think of is the Ideas Maze). There are SO many complaints about too many licensed Ideas sets, and here we have the 4th unlicensed Ideas set of the year. The price to part ratio (if that's a measure you value) is about spot on for this set.
It really seems like the complaints for this are either unfair (it's just not technically possible to design a LEGO set like this in that scale, despite what the armchair engineers here think) or driven by a weird anger towards having more new minifigure components, which you'd THINK was never a bad thing.
One thing I think this set could/should lead to is a dedicated minifigure accessory/customisation pack. A set with a lot of parts like this (hair, heads, etc.) and maybe some torsos and legs, and I think that'd sell well.
Great as a People Pack....terrible for the set they’re in. Justifying a heavy price tag is all these minifigs are doing. Poorly at that.
Would be nice to also have a couple of shots from the back of the hair pieces please. thank you.
"Two of them appear twice: 4th and 5th ones from the left, second row down, and also the two below them."
I think 2nd and 6th hairpiece on the first row also look the same?
@AllenSmith said:
" @jsworpin said:
" @SonOfDathomir said:
"I don't get the appeal of flesh tones outside of licensed sets."
Because, despite LEGO’s protestations, yellow is clearly Caucasian. Fleshies allow diversity."
Caucasians haven't got yellow skin, and I think it's rather offensive to suggest they do.
Having grown up with Lego, I have never seen minifigures as representing me or any other human, "
That’s just ridiculous. It’s not offensive to suggest yellow represents Caucasian. LEGO chose it as the best match it had back in the 70s out of the limited palette they had. They used red for native Americans (we’ll gloss over how racist that was) and then later brown for Afro-Caribbean characters.
If you don’t see minifigs as representing humans what do they represent? Aliens, demons, platonic ideals. They’re incontrovertibly stylised representations of humans.
LEGO dug themselves a hole in the early 2000s by neither purely sticking to the retcon that yellow was universal nor making the full leap to flesh coloured figs.
Good for hard-core builders and bricklink traders....nothing more.
Please steer clear of discussing representation and diversity to avoid a repetition of the unpleasantness that occured in the comments of the previous article.
I appreciate the amount of thought and creativity that has gone into the minifigures, i
I didn't notice until now it had women and men, though I think it is too expensive a layout to buy the set just for them. Perhaps some sort of swap shop is needed for those who just want the table or minifigures, with a suitable fee exchange?
A lot of Ideas sets have changed from the initial design to the actual product that is released as Brickset has covered before, enough times to for the designers to know that going in and for us when we see what sets win. While I agree that they are expensive, I know that the designers get some of the profits, so I imagine they're grateful for the high price. It is difficult making the transition from a set created on a pc to the set being created in bricks, it has to stand the test of sustainability, especially given the investment. I'm sure we wouldn't want to buy the set twice if it broke because it stuck to the original plan.
As we see over sets released through out time, certain things that are possible now, weren't back then and somethings may be possible in the future.
At the end of the day it’s just a lackluster set that missed the mark. Too small to really be fun, and seems like it’s confused as what it should be; a display piece or a game. The variety of character types is great to see, but it’s the wrong set to put them in that isn’t going to very accessible for most people.
The article published before about the creation process is pretty telling; it was problematic from the beginning and should just have been cancelled outright, thus allowing the numerous minifigure pieces to be put in a different set altogether.
@Huw said:
"Please steer clear of discussing representation and diversity to avoid a repetition of the unpleasantness that occured in the comments of the previous article."
With all due respect, HUW, I think hyper-focusing on the diversity element of this set is missing the point.
People don’t have an issue with having a variety of options for minifigures. Heck, many commenters on this set praise the inclusion of all these pieces! The main complaints were concerns that the attention seemed to focus on it while the Foosball table itself was a rather lackluster build. It’s like the minifigures were a bigger highlight rather than having a functioning brick-built foosball table like the Ideas entry suggested.
Imagine if they just sold a parts pack of various heads and torsos with diversity in mind. I bet many would be thrilled, and they’d fly off the shelves.
so manny lego head that is awesome much hair pieces
This could have been a useful figure-pack (possibly with different and more generic torsos and legs)! 21337 Table Football is an extremely little appealing set...
@hawkeye7269 said:
"Worth noting:
According to Racing Brick's review video of the set, the Fan Designer has stated that the figures were a part of the process from very early on; they were not added late in the process to make up for the downsizing or keep a price point. It was baked in up front."
Really? So if that's the case I wonder how much were they planning to charge for this set if the size were closer to the original idea. $600 USD? $700 USD?
"Table Football, [...] is the first non-licenced set to contain skin-toned minifigures."
@Huw What about the non-licensed sets like Amelia Earhart 40450, Jane Goodall 40530 or Homage to Charles Dickens 40410?
@Galaktek said:
"Kudos to LEGO for putting so much thought into this. My first visual reaction when I saw these was, what a great pair of spaceship crews they would make. The uniforms remind me of Star Trek and such."
Ha! Ha! Ha! You're so right.
Great minifigs battle pack. At what price? Ahhh..... I think not! Maybe when it goes on clearance just before its run is done.
Too bad Lego's biggest factor for inclusion is an absurd price point. I don't see a poor wallet-less fig represented among this group. Bourgeoisie welcome!
@agaiz said:
""Table Football, [...] is the first non-licenced set to contain skin-toned minifigures."
@Huw What about the non-licensed sets like Amelia Earhart 40450, Jane Goodall 40530 or Homage to Charles Dickens 40410? "
They depict real people so one could say they are sort of licenced.
@Huw said:
" @agaiz said:
""Table Football, [...] is the first non-licenced set to contain skin-toned minifigures."
@Huw What about the non-licensed sets like Amelia Earhart 40450, Jane Goodall 40530 or Homage to Charles Dickens 40410? "
They depict real people so one could say they are sort of licenced."
But it marked a changing point in Lego's policy to produce such sets. I own for instance own 40291 Creative Personalities dipicting Andersen in traditional yellow Minifigure form.
Maybe that's an interesting topic for another Brickset article?
@agaiz said:
" @Huw said:
" @agaiz said:
""Table Football, [...] is the first non-licenced set to contain skin-toned minifigures."
@Huw What about the non-licensed sets like Amelia Earhart 40450, Jane Goodall 40530 or Homage to Charles Dickens 40410? "
They depict real people so one could say they are sort of licenced."
But it marked a changing point in Lego's policy to produce such sets. I own for instance own 40291 Creative Personalities dipicting Andersen in traditional yellow Minifigure form.
Maybe that's an interesting topic for another Brickset article? "
While 76399 was a licensed set, it's worth noting that some of its minifigure parts were included not to build established characters, but for builders to create new and original minifigures. Some interpreted this as being able to build yourself with your own Hogwarts House; see @PurpleDave's comment on the announcement post about it, for example. It certainty seems implicit with new skin tones debuting there.
https://brickset.com/article/67693
While this is new for a non-licensed set, the exact use case previously appeared, and incidentally garnered much less controversy at that time.
All those hairstyles and they still haven’t produced the correct one for Captain Marvel (Shazam), Norman Osborne (Green Goblin), and Flint Marko (Sandman)!
@Iwanek said:
"This is so stupid. Am I supposed to believe that they didn't have the budget to make one new axel mould, but had just enough to make so many new hairs and heads? A fuzzball table isn't the set to introduce so many diverse figures. I have never seen a fuzzball table where one player has pink hair and the other has albinism. They should have been introduced in a seperete more affordable set. "
Fuzzball? Lol
Absolutely. I still think Peter Parker (Tom Holland) needs a better hairpiece.
This is a specifc review on Minifigures, yet we aren't allowed to address the color of them?
@LegoAndWhisky said:
"Can anyone work out the number of different unique teams that could be created from the different head and hair selections? Assuming any hair style can go with any face and saying that each face expression is a separate choice, but keeping head colour same as hand colour. I'm alright with maths but getting past even two players starts to mess with my head! Especially when two field players can be the same flesh colouring.
If you start with the blue team GK first. Taking into account 44 heads, with 34 extra expressions, accounts for 78 unique faces, with 41 hair styles (43 minus the two repeating hair styles) gives 3,198 combinations for Blue GK alone!
Then take the first blue field player (B1). This is where the complexity begins with the choices remaining after the GK above. Factor in if GK and B1 has same colouring, and if so then if the face used for the GK has a second facial expression then removing both faces as a choice for B1. Also factoring in that the hair style can be the same for the two repeating hairstyles. I think this gives 9,761,211 combinations for Blue team GK and first field player but I've very likely made one or more crucial statistical error!"
Probability calculations, and its easier brother, combination calculation, are not that hard. There are even web calculators designed for the task. That's why C-3PO is such a realistically dorky character who annoyingly pronounces such results as an excuse for indepth knowledge or even wisdom. Go for it! Math is fun and good!
@StyleCounselor said:
" @LegoAndWhisky said:
"Can anyone work out the number of different unique teams that could be created from the different head and hair selections? Assuming any hair style can go with any face and saying that each face expression is a separate choice, but keeping head colour same as hand colour. I'm alright with maths but getting past even two players starts to mess with my head! Especially when two field players can be the same flesh colouring.
If you start with the blue team GK first. Taking into account 44 heads, with 34 extra expressions, accounts for 78 unique faces, with 41 hair styles (43 minus the two repeating hair styles) gives 3,198 combinations for Blue GK alone!
Then take the first blue field player (B1). This is where the complexity begins with the choices remaining after the GK above. Factor in if GK and B1 has same colouring, and if so then if the face used for the GK has a second facial expression then removing both faces as a choice for B1. Also factoring in that the hair style can be the same for the two repeating hairstyles. I think this gives 9,761,211 combinations for Blue team GK and first field player but I've very likely made one or more crucial statistical error!"
Probability calculations, and its easier brother, combination calculation, are not that hard. There are even web calculators designed for the task. That's why C-3PO is such a realistically dorky character who annoyingly pronounces such results as an excuse for indepth knowledge or even wisdom. Go for it! Math is fun and good!"
Combination calculations aren't that hard. Probability? That's a whole different ball game, don't let me get started telling you about the last six-plus years of grad school ....
I'm really disappointed there is no "male pattern baldness with combover" hair piece. A "no buy" for me ...
@iwybs said:
" @StyleCounselor said:
" @LegoAndWhisky said:
"Can anyone work out the number of different unique teams that could be created from the different head and hair selections? Assuming any hair style can go with any face and saying that each face expression is a separate choice, but keeping head colour same as hand colour. I'm alright with maths but getting past even two players starts to mess with my head! Especially when two field players can be the same flesh colouring.
If you start with the blue team GK first. Taking into account 44 heads, with 34 extra expressions, accounts for 78 unique faces, with 41 hair styles (43 minus the two repeating hair styles) gives 3,198 combinations for Blue GK alone!
Then take the first blue field player (B1). This is where the complexity begins with the choices remaining after the GK above. Factor in if GK and B1 has same colouring, and if so then if the face used for the GK has a second facial expression then removing both faces as a choice for B1. Also factoring in that the hair style can be the same for the two repeating hairstyles. I think this gives 9,761,211 combinations for Blue team GK and first field player but I've very likely made one or more crucial statistical error!"
Probability calculations, and its easier brother, combination calculation, are not that hard. There are even web calculators designed for the task. That's why C-3PO is such a realistically dorky character who annoyingly pronounces such results as an excuse for indepth knowledge or even wisdom. Go for it! Math is fun and good!"
Combination calculations aren't that hard. Probability? That's a whole different ball game, don't let me get started telling you about the last six-plus years of grad school ...."
You're probably right!
Oh, the hair situation is amazing. Doesn't get any better than that.
Don't look, doll. This might get hairy.
Omg,the red team is great for a star trek kind of build... only downside is we know what happens to redshirts on that show
On the one hand, I suppose you can’t integrate this set with a purely classic LEGO display because the people aren’t yellow. I can see how that’s a source of irritation.
On the other hand, this is probably the best crowd-building pack one can buy for displays of licensed properties.
If I were building out my Super Hero sets into the monster display I see in my head, I’d probably like to buy several of these sets to use the heads and hairs to populate my display with all the people whom the super heroes are trying to save and the super villains are trying to terrorize. This is really way more useful than simply as a soccer display; however, the crazy cost of the set prevents most people from picking up several copies in order to employ it as I’ve indicated.
Honestly I feel like the players should have all been Red and Blue monofigs. Most foosball tables I've ever seen have had solid-color players without any paint or detail (as it would scuff off, like, right away).
I like the diversity angle, but overall it still seems like this was included (along with the little grandstand) just to make the set look like a better value than it actually is.
For all the debate about the minifigs, I think the main focus of the set's issues should be on its size. The playing field just seems too small for any game to be very fun.
@brickwich said:
"Is this the first time the middle-parted, Han Solo 70's hair is available in blond?"
That hair was available in 60309!
These extra heads would be great for my PoP display.
And, £22 seems reasonable for what this is.
Apologies if someone else has already mentioned it, but the 2nd and 6th hairpieces on the 1st row also look the same
@A__Khan said:
"I'm really disappointed there is no "male pattern baldness with combover" hair piece. A "no buy" for me ... "
Thanks for the great, laugh-out-loud humor that makes coming back to this site worthwhile (along with the amazing great things the BS crew provide).
I have no problem with all the heads and hair pieces per say.
But I would have been much more interested if it had been a bunch of classic smiley yellow heads with maybe a couple of really basic hair pieces from the 80s. It could have captured a quaint look to it, since real-life Foosball tables don't really have any variety in their players anyway (at least not any of the ones I've ever played with). Side effect of that would have made for a cheaper set too which others have already mentioned.
@KaiserCoaster said:
Also, why is the blue team's logo a volleyball?
Well, for the same reason my local football club, FC Barcelona and many others do. Footballs used to look like that I guess.