Review: 76252 Batcave - Shadow Box
Posted by CapnRex101,
The famous Batcave has appeared in numerous LEGO sets, sometimes inspired by specific films or combining different sources. 76252 Batcave - Shadow Box is the largest version yet released, including nearly 4000 pieces and based loosely on Batman Returns.
However, earlier renditions of the Batcave have been relatively open, generally consisting of various interconnected platforms. This example is instead enclosed, so seems more cohesive than others. Considering its enormous size and innovative shadow box format, I am anticipating this will be the definitive Batcave for display.
Summary
76252 Batcave – Shadow Box, 3,981 pieces.
£344.99 / $399.99 / €399.99 | 8.7p/10.0c/10.0c per piece.
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76252 Batcave - Shadow Box is intermittently outstanding, but ultimately underwhelms
- Batcomputer and Batsuit chamber are superb
- Functions are well integrated
- Amazing Batmobile design
- Limited accuracy, overall
- Some lacklustre minifigures
- Maybe a missed opportunity for the ultimate LEGO Batcave
The set was provided for review by LEGO. All opinions expressed are those of the author.
Minifigures
Batman features an updated Batsuit in Batman Returns, which is reflected here. This minifigure includes the combined cape and cowl element introduced in 76139 1989 Batmobile, albeit now displaying a new, slightly less angular symbol on the chest. Otherwise, the design remains the same, so incorporates long ears and sharp lines around the eyes.
The torso is different though, capturing the distinctive sculpted abs associated with the Batsuit from Batman Returns, as well as a new utility belt. This complements the cape and cowl nicely and I love the difference in texture on Batman's cape, as smooth plastic gives way to a rougher surface. Of course, this cape is brilliant for displaying the minifigure independently, but causes issues in smaller spaces, like inside the Batmobile.
The second Batman minifigure is thus more conventional, wearing a fabric cape, which can fit into tighter spaces. The torso is identical to the above minifigure and is surprisingly detailed on the reverse, where a dark bluish grey batarang is attached to the utility belt. However, the most eye-catching feature is undoubtedly the new cowl.
Unlike previous versions of Batman's cowl, this piece is dual-moulded with white lenses in the eyes, so only the mouth is visible on the head underneath. The general shape looks good as a generic version of the character, but differs quite substantially from Batman's garb in 1992, when compared with the other minifigure. The shorter ears are noticeable, in particular.
As normal for the Batcave, Bruce Wayne is also provided and features the same head as the two above minifigures, so three are supplied in total. The happy and serious expressions work nicely for Michael Keaton's portrayal of the hero, but I wish he had worn a turtleneck jumper for maximum realism, rather than this standard suit jacket, designed for 21330 Home Alone.
Alfred Pennyworth accompanies Bruce and more closely resembles the onscreen character, as played by Michael Gough. The light bluish grey hair element looks marvellous and I like the double-sided head, as both facial expressions appear rather reserved, as appropriate for Alfred. The round spectacles also correspond with the film.
The torso is accurately decorated as well. A bow tie, white gloves and handkerchief in Alfred's pocket complete his formal garb. Both minifigures come with a teacup, while Alfred carries the teapot on a 2x2 round jumper plate. Although this element does work, I prefer when a shield is used as a tray, like in 10243 Parisian Restaurant.
Batman Returns introduces three villains, the most prominent of whom is The Penguin. LEGO depictions of the Penguin have often been underwhelming and this example leaves something to be desired, primarily because the character's long hair is missing, beneath his hat. However, the ferocious facial expression looks very good.
Also, I like the reddish brown collar attached around the minifigure's neck, available for the first time in this versatile colour. Printing seeks to capture the Penguin's portly stature and achieves limited success, although I like his striped dickey. Even so, I think a character as memorable as Danny DeVito's Penguin warranted a much more detailed minifigure.
Catwoman fares better. The iconic catsuit is adorned with realistic stitching, which reflects the onscreen costume and continues on both sides of the head and torso. Additionally, I like how metallic accents are included to show the tightness of the costume, again appearing on both sides of the torso.
The head design also conveys the catsuit's tight design. Whereas most Catwoman minifigures have worn separate headgear, the mask is instead printed here, with only the ears represented by another piece, created for Black Panther. As usual, the face looks visibly washed out and this requires improvement, although Selina Kyle's skin is admittedly extremely pale in the movie.
Before taking on the role of Catwoman, Selina worked as a secretary for Max Shreck, one of Gotham's most successful businessmen. Sadly, this minifigure leaves a lot to be desired. The white hair element looks reasonable, but the head appears much to old for the character, who was portrayed by the then 47-year-old Christopher Walken.
Moreover, the torso was originally designed for Arthur Weasley in 76403 Ministry of Magic, so lacks the drama of the villain's suits throughout the film. The absence of a bow tie is especially disappointing and I am surprised a new torso was not produced, as I am sure it could have been re-used subsequently.
Despite the minifigures' individual shortcomings, their accessories are adequate. The Penguin is equipped with his ever-present umbrella and a fish, Catwoman wields her whip and Max comes with a top hat and cane. Some more specialised items would have been welcome though, such as the Penguin's hypnotising umbrella.
The Completed Model
Given the dark environment of the Batcave, the shadow box format seems appropriate and this model certainly possesses a visual presence. The whole structure measures 51cm across, but is only 15cm deep, so is shallower than I expected. However, this is arguably beneficial, as the Batcave would fit comfortably on a shelf, rather than occupying a huge footprint and requiring a table.
The front is nicely finished, with a relatively clear delineation between the black frame and the grey interior. To minimise the depth, the back is only a single layer of bricks thick in most areas, so the reverse of the model is also predominantly grey. While untidy, I think the compromise was worthwhile because this side will be hidden on display. The sides of the box are uniformly black, as shown below.
Even though the bat symbol frame is fairly substantial and gives adequate access to the cave, simply opening the model is easier. The box is divided into three sections and hinges around a narrow spine, similar to a book. I think this arrangement looks appealing on display, but it clearly occupies a larger space than the above configuration, so is less practical.
The famous bat symbol is constructed using standard slopes, but looks excellent at this scale. The shape is a perfect reflection of the emblem featured in Batman Returns and I like how the designer has blended the symbol with the cave interior, as the black panels gradually give way to dark bluish rocks. The occasional bats hanging upside down are also a nice addition.
Like the bat emblem, the building techniques for the rocks across the floor and sides of the cave are quite simple. Once again though, the results are appealing, as various slopes are combined to clever effect and some are secured sideways, which creates an impression of natural texture. Certain areas of the floor appear noticeably flat, although I like the black section interrupting the floor, where the cave vanishes into darkness.
However, the furnished half of the Batcave is even more eye-catching and looks stunning. I like the balance between muted colours and splashes of light bluish grey or trans-yellow, recreating the atmosphere of the Batcave presented in Tim Burton's Batman films. The shallow design has entailed certain compromises though, where the layout is concerned.
The first of these relates to the platform where the Batmobile is parked, which is circular in the films, but rectangular here. There would obviously not be enough space for a circular platform inside the shadow box, but this change is dramatic. Even so, there is more than enough room for the Batmobile and the vertical bands along the sides correspond with the onscreen location.
Fortunately, the Batmobile itself is almost faultless. Several LEGO renditions of the Batmobile have been influenced by this classic design, but only 40433 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition actually depicts the same vehicle at minifigure scale. As expected, there are many similarities between that splendid model and this one, although some improvements have been introduced.
Firstly, this Batmobile is slightly longer than its predecessor, measuring nearly 24cm in length. The shape of the stylish tail fins has been updated too, while the cockpit takes advantage of a new windscreen piece. The resultant profile of the Batmobile looks brilliant, faithfully recreating the vehicle's ingenious blend of menace and speed.
Very few alterations have been made to the nose since 40433 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition was released. None were really necessary though, as the angled bodywork and trans-yellow headlights appear accurate. In addition, the cylindrical turbine at the centre is nicely shaped, making good use of a wheel hub for the round intake on the front.
The wheel arches are attractive as well, following the contours of the tyre. I am less impressed with the conspicuous Technic gear on one side, which is more obvious than I think necessary. The connected function is satisfying though, as rotating this gear activates the machine guns hidden atop the Batmobile, which causes the covering 2x6 wedge plates to burst off.
The windscreen around the cockpit is constructed in three sections, with 1x2x3 wall panels on either side and a 2x4 windscreen element at the front, which was only introduced last year. The shape is therefore much-improved and there is space for Batman inside, with a steering wheel and stickered control panels. The ears on his cowl slot into a hole on the underside of the roof.
76244 Batmobile: Batman vs. The Joker Chase will be released in August and its design looks very similar to this model. The most important differences are found towards the back, where a storage area is situated on the upcoming Batmobile, but not here. The fins appear better on this vehicle though, as they are angled with clips. The flame emanating from the exhaust rotates as the car moves, which is a feature of both Batmobile designs.
This flame is easily removable and must be detached when parking the Batmobile inside the Batcave. Fortunately, the designer has hidden a storage area on the back of the shadow box, which accommodates the flame. The set also contains an alternative head for when the Batsuit is in storage, which could be kept here.
An opening door adjoins the Batmobile's parking platform, covered with 2x2 inverted tiles to avoid exposing a wall of anti-studs. Nevertheless, the door could definitely be more detailed, or even disguised to blend with the surrounding rocks. The door is completely in shadow onscreen, so I think there was an opportunity or something more creative.
The door must be opened manually, simply raising into the wall above. However, pressing the yellow button above will release it, dropping the door immediately. I like this function and how the door locks open, but I can envisage a more complex design, featuring a geared system to raise the door and a similar release mechanism to close it.
Additionally, the entrance does not actually lead anywhere, so is most useful for removing the Batmobile without opening the box. Having just suggested that the mechanism could be more elaborate, I am actually uncertain whether an opening door was required at all. Maybe a static door could have been more detailed.
While the entrance itself could be improved, the brick-built bat emblem above is flawless. The impression of carved rock is effective and its shape is exceptional, considering the small scale. A variety of curved slopes form the iconic symbol, positioned sideways and then secured behind a frame of wedge plates, which blend into the walls of the Batcave.
Once the Batmobile is removed, the platform is rather spacious. The structure slides smoothly into place against the back wall and the platforms above are situated to leave enough room for the Batmobile. I like how rocky texture continues underneath the platform, particularly since this is almost completely hidden when the shadow box is closed.
Several tools for maintaining the Batmobile are available behind the parking platform, clipped to the wall. These panels of light bluish grey look great and incorporate masonry bricks, providing an interesting texture. The trans-yellow 1x2 plates representing lights also look nice, repeated through the entire Batcave.
A ladder links the bottom level of the Batcave to the higher platforms, beginning with the most recognisable area, where the Batcomputer is located. The pearl dark grey lattice column fixed underneath looks superb and the platform itself is reasonably spacious, with more than enough room for Bruce Wayne and Alfred to monitor the Batcomputer.
The combination of multiple monitors and control panels closely resembles the Batcomputer as presented in Tim Burton's films. Ten of the thirteen included stickers are applied here, capturing considerable detail. Additionally, I like Batman's brick-built chair, which is adjustable and rotates by twisting a yellow dial on the back of the Batcave.
The monitors on either side display maps of Gotham City, while those in the centre can switch between images related to either the Penguin or Catwoman. A large sticker decorates an 8x16 tile behind the wall, first displaying the Penguin inside the Batmobile, making a mayoral speech and his remote control penguins. Alternatively, the monitors can feature Catwoman in Shreck's Department Store, with the shop's logo above.
Of course, applying this large sticker requires particular care because the screens need to line up with their frames. Given the recent change to plaques in Ultimate Collector Series sets, this tile could probably have been printed as well. Nevertheless, the moving screen function is very smooth, controlled by the turning the higher of the two dials shown below. The other is linked to Batman's chair.
The shadow box format could easily seem two-dimensional, with only limited depth. Thankfully, the designer has included some shadowy areas, where the cave appears to continue into the distance. The crevices above the Batcomputer are particularly effective, featuring stalactites, stalagmites and bats hanging from the ceiling.
A steep walkway connects the Batcomputer platform to another, where the Batsuit is stored. This imposing chamber looks wonderful in relation to the source material, as pearl silver 1x1 round plates form the bolts down either side and a round window shows the Batsuit displayed inside. I love how its white eyes stand out in the darkness.
Moreover, a light brick is placed above the Batsuit chamber, which illuminates the interior when activated. Although this effect is appealing, I would not really associate an orange glow with the Batcave. I have mentioned it previously, but these light bricks would be so much more versatile if they were available with a white light, which could pass through translucent pieces of varying colours.
The light brick is easily accessible from behind, housed in a small recess. This also provides a good view of the spool for two chains, which are attached to the cover for the Batsuit chamber. Turning the yellow dial shown below will raise and lower that cover, corresponding with the film. The chains occasionally get stuck, so I am glad they are so readily accessed.
Bruce Wayne enters the Batsuit chamber by walking across the lowered door in the film, which you can recreate. Instead of a whole room inside, there is only enough space for one suit, but this looks splendid. A trans-light blue head is supplied to support the cowl when in storage, as an alternative to Bruce's double-sided head.
The uppermost platform is designed in the same style as the Batsuit chamber, as even more 1x1 round plates represent bolts, adorning a pair of sliding doors. The rotating handles on the front look good, but opening these doors is actually controlled from the back of the shadow box, via yet another yellow knob.
Once opened, a selection of Batman's gadgets are revealed. Four batarangs and the grapnel launcher are secured on the wall, with two storage lockers underneath. Oddly, there is nothing inside the lockers. Batman deploys many others gadgets in Batman Returns and there is ample space for the line launcher and remote control batarang here, at least.
Overall
I have contradictory feelings about 76252 Batcave - Shadow Box. The general design is quite impressive, recreating specific areas of the Batcave with appealing detail and in an interesting format for display. Fundamentally though, I find the chosen format very restrictive. There are so many compromises in accuracy that the cave is hardly identifiable with the location featured in Batman Returns.
The minifigures are pretty unremarkable too, so I wonder whether focusing on Batman Returns was necessary at all. Personally, I would have much preferred a truly definitive Batcave, maybe influenced by multiple sources and including Batman's famous trophies from the comics. For the price of £344.99, $399.99 or €399.99, I hoped this would be the ultimate Batman set, but there are simply too many issues.
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52 comments on this article
I agree with this review. It’s decent, but seems to miss the mark overall.
It looks great, although the compromises are apparent. Still, I'm very grateful that I can get the best parts of it with a polybag and a separate, much cheaper set.
the most impressive useless Lego Batman set ever. there isn't even a unique minifigure selection!
Excellent review, though I think I only moved from a hard (easy) No to a likely No
The Waiter minifigure didn't use a shield with a stud--he introduced the studless oval tray piece that was later also used for the Diner Waitress. You might be thinking of the the Parisian Restaurant set, which did use a shield as a serving tray.
I want more DC sets,but not like this.
I still think that this is a 200$ set with a 200$ gimmick. While the format is new and impressive at first sight, I don't see a 400$ set here, only a big black box with some very decent details inside.
LEGO really needs to invest in more complex lighting solutions. Light bricks are cool but the limited colors make for very underwhelming features in several 18+ sets. This concept would be much cooler if LEGO had more light options that could keep the interior lit with yellow light for several minutes at a time. The minifigures are also awfully under detailed for such an expensive set. I do like the build for the most part, and I’m glad a unique concept like this was tried although I also would’ve preferred an ultimate comic-based playset at this price.
Interesting but not one for me, largely because of the price, though Batman Returns is without a doubt my favourite Batman film.
I agree with the comments about Penguin, perhaps a unique head/shoulder combination could have been made for him (which surely is justified with the price of this set), and I feel like Catwoman having unprinted legs or arms is a little bit cheeky.
Can you please confirm if the binoculars pieces used at the rear of the Batmobile have been updated or not?
If they have that's great news, as the binoculars piece is an oddity that doesn't fit into the system when placed on a stud - it somehow gets raised when you do that, as if the antistud isn't deep enough.
If they haven't that’s a very illegal build that stresses the parts way too much. In 40448: Vintage Car the same technique was removed from the original fan design https://ideas.lego.com/s/ca:5be7f2a0e87b46c3825751e725e60d9f for this reason.
I do appreciate that the Batman figure from this set is available in the 30653 polybag though. $5 polybag nets the same figure as the $400 set! I found a bunch of the polybags yesterday at a toy store near me, and was glad to get my hands finally on the Burton-Keaton style costume with the single cape and helmet piece.
@8BrickMario said:
"The Waiter minifigure didn't use a shield with a stud--he introduced the studless oval tray piece that was later also used for the Diner Waitress. You might be thinking of the the Parisian Restaurant set, which did use a shield as a serving tray."
Thank you; I have updated the review.
@MrClassic said:
"Can you please confirm if the binoculars pieces used at the rear of the Batmobile have been updated or not?
If they have that's great news, as the binoculars piece is an oddity that doesn't fit into the system when placed on a stud - it somehow gets raised when you do that, as if the antistud isn't deep enough.
If they haven't that’s a very illegal build that stresses the parts way too much. In 40448 : Vintage Car the same technique was removed from the original fan design https://ideas.lego.com/s/ca:5be7f2a0e87b46c3825751e725e60d9f for this reason. "
Interesting. The element has not been updated, but the pieces on top of the binoculars are actually 1x2 curved slopes attached sideways, using headlight bricks placed on their back. I would assume there is just about enough clearance for the technique to be considered legal, but the binoculars are fixed securely, so it must be fairly tight.
This is a FABULOUS, incredible kit. Truly great stuff here.
But yeah, it's got some things that it needed. But yes, those things probably would've inflated the price a bit. Like another $50 beans.
- I'd do without the fur-collar on Penguin to have a hat molded with DeVito's striking scraggly hair.
That was the signature look for Penguin in the flick. Plus black 'gloved' hands.
- Catwoman, should have some detail on her legs. Some of that stitching on her legs. No need for any dual molding. Just some stitching on the front of her legs.
- I know the Batmobile 'leaps' but a ramp over there would be nice to have it exit the garage and roll down.
- A couple more lightbricks (I know, Lego prices them like gold) to illuminated more areas.
- Max Schreck, yes, needed a unique torso and leg print like in the movie with black gloves, bowtie, etc.
- No mistletoe? Somewhere in the cave ;)
Modding it a bit to use some areas for more bat-suits would be a good, adding your own light-bricks etc. which to me seems like this set screamed for Lego to do their own official lighting kit. But yeah, then again, it'd be $500-.
But overall, it's still a wonderful unique set. Excellent display. Looks like great fun to build too.
Not a terrible price. Another on the list to save a bit, then hit it! Maybe somewhere down the line Amazon knocks a couple bucks off of it ;)
@CapnRex101 said:
" The element has not been updated, but the pieces on top of the binoculars are actually 1x2 curved slopes attached sideways, using headlight bricks placed on their back. I would assume there is just about enough clearance for the technique to be considered legal, but the binoculars are fixed securely, so it must be fairly tight."
I've actually tried it myself with some spare parts thanks to a speed build on YouTube, and while it's possible to attach the 1x2 curved pieces (and a 1x1 plate each) if you push really hard (way too hard), that causes gaps to appear between other pieces.
Can't believe Lego let something like this slip through into an official set, especially not after having removed the same technique in 40448: Vintage Car.
I was so hoping for an updated binoculars piece...
If this was a moc, it would be featured in all lego blogs and praised when presented in conventions. It really is a fantastic brickbuild construction with unique approach to the subject. It should have better and wider minifig selection but other than that it's a great build. I wish I could afford it!
This has zero appeal to me. I miss the golden days of Justice League sets.
I'll break the trend. I think the set looks AMAZING nd am excited to pick it up tomorrow. I am a big batman nerd so probably bias. I don't understand grumbling about the price, they are not coming down and you will have to pick and choose on a budget but don't complain about how much it costs. Save that for basic needs like groceries, gas and general living cost that most people are struggling to purchase, not a completely unnecessary purchase like a toy. Keep up the great reviews!
@CapnRex101 when can we expect some Ninjago reviews? Really want to see the markets and the dragons rising sets.
@gizzmo55 said:
"I'll break the trend. I think the set looks AMAZING nd am excited to pick it up tomorrow. I am a big batman nerd so probably bias. I don't understand grumbling about the price, they are not coming down and you will have to pick and choose on a budget but don't complain about how much it costs. Save that for basic needs like groceries, gas and general living cost that most people are struggling to purchase, not a completely unnecessary purchase like a toy. Keep up the great reviews!"
Spot on gizzmo. I save for sets I want. If I can afford a certain one, I move on. No worries.
The grumblings like they never knew Lego can be pricey is always a head scratcher for me.
I wonder how much cheaper this set would be if all the bricks used for the box were put towards other parts of the batcave.
Well,this gives me more incentive to make my ucs arkham asylum at least
Good review, difficult set. I do like how it looks, but to be fair, it's basically a big box with not that much inside. If I'm being very generous, there's a €50 Batmobile and a €100 Batcave, which leaves a €250 box around it. As much as I like the idea, it just doesn't feel like a good use of pieces. I get why it's not a lot cheaper, but I have a hard time seeing the value here.
@gizzmo55 said:
"I'll break the trend. I think the set looks AMAZING nd am excited to pick it up tomorrow. I am a big batman nerd so probably bias. I don't understand grumbling about the price, they are not coming down and you will have to pick and choose on a budget but don't complain about how much it costs. Save that for basic needs like groceries, gas and general living cost that most people are struggling to purchase, not a completely unnecessary purchase like a toy. Keep up the great reviews!"
I don’t understand when others don’t understand people upset about the price, lol. It’s very fair to not feel there is value here. When you look at other Lego sets and value, this one comes up short. Yes it’s not a necessary purchase, but that doesn’t mean we have to accept the price and feel it’s fair. Everyone is in the right to express their opinion and see that this is not a good value.
@PixelTheDragon said:
"I wonder how much cheaper this set would be if all the bricks used for the box were put towards other parts of the batcave. "
It would be the same price as the contents would be exactly the same. If all the bricks used for the box were omitted completely then it would have been cheaper but it also wouldn't look anywhere near as good.
@gizzmo55 said:
"I'll break the trend. I think the set looks AMAZING nd am excited to pick it up tomorrow. I am a big batman nerd so probably bias. I don't understand grumbling about the price, they are not coming down and you will have to pick and choose on a budget but don't complain about how much it costs. Save that for basic needs like groceries, gas and general living cost that most people are struggling to purchase, not a completely unnecessary purchase like a toy. Keep up the great reviews!"
Well, if you're are "big batman nerd" and this is your primary team, than go on, but compared to other 400$ sets this one have just too little to ofer, so ppl are complaining with a reason. Thats great that Lego has so many great sets to ofer, because even if I'm a big Batman fan I would still choose another set instead, with a more reasonable price for what you get.
Canceling products because they "don't work" is a part of every business. TLG seems to be releasing sets that in the past they would have just canceled.
I think it’s the best Batcave set they’ve designed so far. Usually it’s nothing more than a series of platforms with a giant computer perched up top. This _feels_ cave-like, which is all the more impressive for something that has such a small footprint. I’ve kinda soured on the two Burton films in the years since Batman Begins, but I still vary much like the aesthetic. This was the first Batmobile I actually liked*, and these were the two films that got me interested in Batman. Previously, Superfriends was the only thing I watched that had Batman in it, and I ranked him down there with Aquaman.
*while it’s the first, it’s not the oldest, as I really like the true original Batmobile, which was built in 1965, I believe on a Rocket 88 body, and used for marketing purposes at various shows.
@legoDad42:
Well, LEGO prices have been going down for at least 4.5 decades, as price per piece remained fairly constant, while paychecks (and the cost of non-LEGO goods) have gone up a lot. It’s just that most people haven’t noticed this, due to the surge in the number of new sets offered annually, and the shift to much larger sets. I don’t think I could point to a single set from my childhood that retailed for more than $100, and didn’t run on track. Now there are several sets that cost more than you’d earn in a week (pre-tax) at a full-time, minimum wage job. I mean, that was probably true about $99.99 sets, too, at one point, but anyone Gen X or younger weren’t working full-time jobs at that time.
@monkyby87:
Because for a lot of people here, the first question they ask is if they like the design. If they do, it’s priced fairly. If they’re not interested, it’s a “giant rip-off”. Pay attention to who makes those posts and you’ll notice that there are a few regular commenters who never seem to say that a set is awesome, and a fantastic value, but that it’s simply too expensive for their budget. Say that, and I can understand and respect their opinion. Always resort to accusations of, “Er mer gerd, overpriced rip-off,” and I can see that you’re not actually being objective about the value of a set.
For instance, I think the Ninjago modulars look great (well, the Docks is okay-ish). After seeing them in person, I was even more impressed. They’re beyond fantastic value, but when the first one came out, I just didn’t have the budget to pick it up. If I had, that’s really the only reason I would have considered buying the Docks, and without both of those it was easy to disarm the trigger before the next two were even announced.
Then there are the modulars. I think the designs are good, the value is usually pretty solid…and they just don’t interest me at all. I do like reading reviews to see some of the parts and techniques, but the police station as a base model to convert to the GCPD is the only time I’ve ever even entertained the thought of buying one. I’ve also bought several 4+ sets, from DC, TMNT, Incredibles, Toy Story, Minions, and Jurassic World because it was the easiest way to get certain minifigs or parts, but I generally consider them to be sub-par on value. They probably have a decent price-per-weight, though, if anyone wants to calculate that out.
How similar is this Batmobile compared to the one in 76224? That one I am interested in.
Solid review. I thought you were a little generous towards the minifigures at first, given the price, but I agree with your overall assessment. Genuinely baffling that they didn't just make THE definitive Batcave; comic inspired.
@PixelTheDragon said:
"I wonder how much cheaper this set would be if all the bricks used for the box were put towards other parts of the batcave. "
Wouldn’t it be the same price then?
It’s not a bad set but I don’t see the need for the Shadow Box other than as a way to inflate the price. It’d be necessary if this was The LEGO Batman Movie’s Batcave but it’s not super needed this one. As great as a general Batcave with the T-Rex and coin and stuff would be, the Burton could also be done very well and this one is satisfactory enough. It just shouldn’t have been a $400 set where what feels like a third of it is a weird display function instead of the actual Batcave.
Yeah sorry, still not convinced. The black shadow box does not work as a shadow box. At best it looks too dark against the already dark inside and at worst it reflects light like crazy because the bricks themselves are dark. The result is that it looks like a dark, monochrome mess when closed.
And the interior -while nice- just doesn't scream the price this is going for.
If a designer is reading this comment: I appreciate that something new was tried here. We've had a few batcave sets already, and there had to be a point where it seemed important -perhaps even necessary- to make it display like this. But in my opinion it didn't work out. Personally I greatly value smart design that can bring out a lot out of very little and having you construct a black box around a vignette wouldn't be one of those design choices. In a lot of Icons sets this seems to be the case: just because a price point is super high that doesn't mean it's okay for the builder to spend 1/4th of their bricks on something superfluous. As a customer you'd want to buy a batcave, and unless the effect of a shadowbox like this is VERY effective it would only look like it bloated the price (although the price was probably pre-determined beforehand).
That said, I'm not a designer myself. Just my perspective as a customer. Perhaps not one would buy large sets like this, but still one who appreciates value that can come with effective design, often more visible in smaller offerings precisely because of the budget limitations.
That said, I'll eat my words if it turns out a Wayne Mansion is supposed to go on top, 2012 Jabba's Palace style. But even so, my comment about the box being darker and shinier than the shadowy inside would still stand.
This set should be great, but I agree it's mediocre as a UCS one. I see no reason to add this to the 1989 Batwing and 1989 Batmobile UCS ones.
As a sidenote, I also noticed that I have a fatigue from these extra-large display only sets. Even if I'll get them for free, I have nowhere to display all these large ones anymore.
As Batman fan, I'll have to pass that one and for the first time since I remember the pricing is not the main issue.
I agree. When I first heard the rumours, I was expecting this to be the ultimate Batman set: essentially DC's response to the Daily Bugle with some staple characters (Batman, Robin, Alfred and Joker), overdue remakes (Ra's Al Guhl, Bane, Deathstroke, Deadshot) and entirely new figures (Oracle, Lucius Fox, Hush, Mad Hatter) battling it out it a $500 D2C Playset. That could have possibly revitalized the DC theme, similar to what the Daily Bugle did with Marvel.
I guess my high expectations have ruined my appetite for this set: it's a fine set don't get me wrong, but when DC's output from the last few years has been quite lacklustre, fine just won't cut it.
At least there's still hope if they do a Wayne Manor, Themyscira, Atlantis or Daily Planet in the future, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
I have a feeling this set looks a lot better in person. The black & dark gray just mush together in pictures I feel(when closed). I like & applaud the creativity here.
@ozbrickcreator said:
"How similar is this Batmobile compared to the one in 76224? That one I am interested in."
Taking a side-by-side look between the two, they look nearly identical. It looks like they used the exact same model and just changed a couple of minor exterior details.
The only real difference is the tail fins are a bit larger and angled on the batcase one, which overall gives them a slightly better look, and the exhaust vents on the side of the car use a few different parts. But other than that I can't find any notable differences. Even the concealed gun mechanism is exactly the same on both models.
@ozbrickcreator said:
"How similar is this Batmobile compared to the one in 76224? That one I am interested in."
I would say 96-97% )
@Goujon said:
" @CapnRex101 when can we expect some Ninjago reviews? Really want to see the markets and the dragons rising sets. "
Hopefully today, starting with 71792 Sora's Transforming Mech Bike Racer.
I don't know who that old man in the grey suit is because it sure as heck is not Max Shreck...
@RaiderOfTheLostBrick:
The fact that _every_ Batcave set has included at least two villains, and most have had set names that indicated they were actually fighting in the Batcave, suggests that the location is the worst-kept secret in the LEGO DC universe. Clearly the reason we never see a Wayne Manor set is that it keeps getting burned to the foundation by villains who are determined to kill Batman. Maybe someday they’ll release a set called “Exit The Batcave To Go Fight Villains Somewhere Else That Doesn’t Compromise Batman’s Secret Identity”.
@elangab said:
"
As a sidenote, I also noticed that I have a fatigue from these extra-large display only sets. Even if I'll get them for free, I have nowhere to display all these large ones anymore.
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I have spent a long time in school working on my degree and feel like I get to watch those sets just pass by year after year, only getting the small handful my family gifts me for Christmas. But while the D2C market has given us some excellent sets, I also agree the volume is getting absurd now since the display space to fit every modular building, every Disney castle, every Ideas set, every UCS Star Wars set, all the big D2C Superhero sets, random Football/Soccer stadiums, etc... is getting to be comically huge. A LEGO fan would need to have a massive space to store and display every single one.
I guess we really need to have a discussion on FOMO culture and ask ourselves if it really is reasonable for every LEGO fan to feel a desire for every major set. Since LEGO is putting them out so fast now that somebody could bankrupt themselves trying to keep pace.
Interesting functions and designs, I especially like the bat cutout and surrounding rock / cave interior, but it's not for me. I'll stick with the UCS vehicles for now. I am, however, starting to come around on this version of the Batmobile and I may add 76224 to go along with my Bricklinked version of 40433 . I still find it surprising they are offering a standalone set of this Batmobile version. Welcome change to the typical exclusivity we often see. As always, thanks for the review!
@xboxtravis7992 said:
"I guess we really need to have a discussion on FOMO culture and ask ourselves if it really is reasonable for every LEGO fan to feel a desire for every major set. Since LEGO is putting them out so fast now that somebody could bankrupt themselves trying to keep pace. "
I admit I had "FOMO" during COVID, similar to when I came back from my "dark ages", but not anymore. I stopped buying and caring about the modular buildings, the winter village and even 18+ sets from themes I said I "must have" because of reasons (the latest being the larger Indiana Jones one, which I know will just collect dust). I think the price hike and over production of sets did that for me. I don't even have time to enjoy and think about a news release of a mega-set, as a new one is out just a week later. A-Frame Cabin, Rivendell, Ninjago City Gardens, then Batman then Pac-Man etc. etc. I also noticed a bit of a slow-down and price downs with the local FB marketplace and such, which was interesting to see. Someone is posting to sell the new Indiana Jones diorama for $120 CAD for a few days now. Last year it would've sold in 20 minutes.
Don't get me wrong, I don't "hate" Lego now or anything like that. I still like and enjoy it a lot, curios to learn about upcoming sets, but I want to go back to pre-covid times when the hobby was a bit more under control - both for me as a consumer and both for them as a producer.
What worked for me was adding the set to a wish list upon reveal, but only purchase it few months later. Once the hype is over, the set is forgotten, and I can judge if I really have a need for it.
@elangab I personally went on a big Bricklink spree with old Bionicle sets during COVID, but that slowed down as well. I still get plenty of LEGO sets to be honest, but my purchases have slowed since the COVID days when I was buying stuff nonstop. I guess we all had a bad case of cabin fever those years?
@PurpleDave said:
"*while it’s the first, it’s not the oldest, as I really like the true original Batmobile, which was built in 1965, I believe on a Rocket 88 body, and used for marketing purposes at various shows"
The original Batmobile from the TV show was based on the 1955 Lincoln Futura show/concept car designed by William Schmidt. The actual Batmobile was built by modifying the Futura bodywork by none other than George Barris.
@PurpleDave said:
"I think it’s the best Batcave set they’ve designed so far. Usually it’s nothing more than a series of platforms with a giant computer perched up top. This _feels_ cave-like, which is all the more impressive for something that has such a small footprint."
I have to fully agree with this statement. I don’t think Lego fans understand how much of a challenge Lego had to overcome in making this feel like a cave. Floating platforms attached to stalagmites would’ve felt weird on a shelf, like the UCS Ewok Village and Hoth. There needs to be a dedicated backing to envelope the set. No matter what, there was going to be a flat and ugly side. Lego making this a shadow box was an incredibly genius compromise. The custom and fan made Batcaves seen online aren’t a fair comparison, and making a better looking cave for the piece count and price would’ve been impossible. I do have to admit the minifigure selection doesn’t do it much justice, but with the Flash movie coming out soon, we would’ve inevitable gotten similar figures.
@Lee_Fogel said:
"The original Batmobile from the TV show was based on the 1955 Lincoln Futura show/concept car designed by William Schmidt. The actual Batmobile was built by modifying the Futura bodywork by none other than George Barris."
No, not that land-barge. The _ORIGINAL_ street-legal Batmobile, made about a year earlier:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8SGnrXoWeoM
@thor96 said:
"If this was a moc, it would be featured in all lego blogs and praised when presented in conventions. It really is a fantastic brickbuild construction with unique approach to the subject. It should have better and wider minifig selection but other than that it's a great build. I wish I could afford it!"
You're 100% correct. A moc that looked exactly like this would be entirely worthy of celebrating. But LEGO producing this monstrosity in an era of the Daily Bugle and Rivendell sets is a catastrophic disappointment to DC LEGO fans who wanted to get $400 worth of Batcave, not a Polly Pocket shell.
@Jesse_S_T:
I’ve seen Batcave MOCs that were the size of a large dresser, so it’s definitely unfair to compare this to one of those. The minifigs that were included could definitely be improved (but it seems several themes are having the same issue regarding absent leg deco), but it’s a Batman Returns set. I can’t really think of any major omissions besides Gordon and maybe Harvey Dent.
@xboxtravis7992 said:
"But while the D2C market has given us some excellent sets, I also agree the volume is getting absurd now since the display space to fit every modular building, every Disney castle, every Ideas set, every UCS Star Wars set, all the big D2C Superhero sets, random Football/Soccer stadiums, etc... is getting to be comically huge. A LEGO fan would need to have a massive space to store and display every single one.
I guess we really need to have a discussion on FOMO culture and ask ourselves if it really is reasonable for every LEGO fan to feel a desire for every major set. Since LEGO is putting them out so fast now that somebody could bankrupt themselves trying to keep pace.
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I consider myself a LEGO fan yet I do not feel any need to purchase every large set just because it is LEGO. A lot of IDEAS sets are not very interesting to me, I don't feel the need to own football stadiums for teams I do not like, I don't want a Disney castle, and so on. I consider myself a Modulars fan but I don't even own all of them. Some of them I do not like, so there is no point in me owning them.
I subscribe to the "buy what I like" model of fandom, rather than the "buy because LEGO make it" model. I don't feel the need to keep up with everything (large) that they produce. I don't even feel the need to even see some of them in the flesh (in a store, at a friend's house, etc). Plus some of the smaller sets are more interesting than the larger ones.
This is where the volume of sets being released is a good thing. There are so many that you can pick the ones you really like that fit with your interests rather than one that is sort of OK and you buy as not much else is available.
I personally feels skeptical about this. I saw it on display in the lego store this afternoon. Yes, it's huge. But, that's the end of it.
It does not impress me, nor looked like it's a great display piece.
Even so, is this set worth the $400 US? I think yes. Don't get me wrong, it's a licensed set, and it's close to 4000 pcs so I think pricing wise is on par.
People just like to complain about lego pricing ??
Maybe some may feel like I am biased towards lego, no. Talking about Overpriced sets, you have to get on the level of the hulkbuster, Black panther and the foosball. Those are what I deemed as Overpriced.
I won't be getting this anytime soon, though I have seen it going for SGD350 during our monthly online sale and was almost tempted to pull the trigger.