TV Cars that need to be made into Speed Champions
Posted by Huw,
Here's Oliver Angelo's second article about vehicles that would make good subjects for Speed Champions, following on from his look at those that appear in films:
Since the release of two cars from movies 2022, TV or Music Video cars have not yet entered the fray, but that has not stopped me from speculating!
A-Team: GMC Vandura
Minifigure(s): Hannibal, B.A Baracus, Murdock and Faceman
A similar model has found its way to 10k on LEGO Ideas but failed to pass LEGO’s own internal review. In another dimension it maybe could have passed.
Source: easyautosales.com, wikipedia.com
Crazy Taxi: 1960 Cadillac Eldorado
Minifigure(s): Axel
A canon event to destroy your modular city.
Source: thedrive.com
Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives: 1968 Chevy Camaro SS Convertible
Minifigure(s): Guy Fieri
One of my more obscure choices but one of my favourites as well. For those unfamiliar with DDD, Guy takes his gorgeous Camaro across the USA finding the best local restaurants. This car opens and closes every episode.
Source: mashed.com
Eminem: Lamborghini Murcielago “Rapmobile”
Minifigure(s): Rap-Boy and Dr. Dre
In “Without Me”, Rap-Boy uses telekinesis to take a CD from a young child. In “Houdini”, Rap-Boy uses telekinesis to take a microphone from Slim Shady. In an unreleased third song, Rap-Boy uses telekinesis to take this LEGO model from an investor.
Source: IMCDB.org
F-Zero: Blue Falcon
Minifigure(s): Captain Falcon
Falcon Punch the green light. Even without wheels this set would be cool.
Source: fandom.com
Initial D: Toyota AE86
Minifigure(s):Takumi Fujiwara
When I build this, one hand will be duct-taped to the instructions.
Source: drifted.com
Knight Rider: KITT
Minifigure(s): Michael Knight
On second thought, a minifigure does not need to be included with this set!
Source: CNN.com
Magnum P.I.: Ferrari 308 GTS
Minifigure(s): Thomas Magnum
Monica married the wrong guy. Prove me wrong.
Source: newyorkpost.com
Miami Vice: Ferrari Testarossa
Minifigure(s): Sonny Crockett and Rico Tubbs
Another cop show, another cool Ferrari.
Source: autoweek.com
Mr. Bean: Mini Cooper
Minifigure(s): Mr. Bean
Thanks to everyone in the comments for reminding me about this car!
Source: fandom.com
Scooby Doo: The Mystery Machine
Minifigure(s): Shaggy, Scooby, Fred, Velma, Daphne
Scooby, Scooby Doo, Where are you!
Source: autoweek.com
Speed Racer: Mach 5
Minifigure(s): Speed Racer
The older sets desperately need a glow up. The Speed Racer theme has probably aged the worst out of all the LEGO themes.
Source: wikipedia.com
SpongeBob SquarePants: Patty Wagon
Minifigure(s): SpongeBob and Patrick
On third thought, David Hasselhoff could be included here.
Source: fandom.com
ZZ-Top: 1933 Ford Coupe “Eliminator”
Minifigure(s): Billy Gibbons, Frank Beard, and Dusty Hill
Hot rods are notably absent from the 8-wide lineup, and this band’s car could be the antidote.
Source: hotcars.com
Thank you for reading this article! If I missed your favourite TV, music, or video game car, please comment below. A manufacturer article is coming soon …
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The mystery machine was already a set..
And just yes to the rest.
:)
give me Initial D and KITT, NOW!
Um…
Hey, if we're doing video games, please could I have a 2-pack of the Sega Rally Toyota Celica and Lancia Delta Integrale, in full livery?
(But not the Toyota Celiac, like my phone tried to write.)
Seems somewhat US-centric but I suppose that reflects the larger market. Quite a few notable vehicles missing such as the iconic Reliant from OFAH.
Now this looks like a job for me
That AE86 would be amazing, but it's probably to niche to ever happen.
‘67 Chevrolet Impala from Supernatural would be perfect too.
Bonus points for the the Eliminator, if any mods for the space shuttle version from Afterburner's cover pop up in the community.
I hate articles with Buzzfeed tier titles
I just want a new sleek minifig-scale DeLorean
> AE86
*Eurobeat intensifies*
@Brent007 said:
"The mystery machine was already a set..
:)"
75902
https://brickset.com/sets/75902-1/The-Mystery-Machine
I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial.
Inspector Morse's Jag
Gene Hunt's Audi Quattro
Gene Hunt's Cortina
Only Fools and Horses van
Ahem, Bessie from Doctor Who.
Why not go all the way back and do a red 1976 Ford Torino from Starsky and Hutch?
The Saint's Volvo
Purdey's TR7
Dougal's car (Magic Roundabout)
Postman Pat's van
There are lots - some more suited to speed racer types than others
Now you mention hot rods... Hot Rod from Transformers would be fantastic.
For bonus points, make it the next transforming set after Bumblebee and that's a big win!
Spirou and Fantasio's Turbotraction could be cool, not sure it's well known though
It only made a brief appearance, but we also need Indiana Jones' car.
Peugeot 403 with Columbo?
@Brent007 said:
"The mystery machine was already a set..
And just yes to the rest.
:)"
And Speed Racer : Mach 5 also.
https://brickset.com/sets/8158-1/Speed-Racer-Snake-Oiler
@Maxbricks14 said:
"It only made a brief appearance, but we also need Indiana Jones' car."
There is a decent but small one in 77012
@CaptainMoore said:
"Spirou and Fantasio's Turbotraction could be cool, not sure it's well known though"
Or Gaston la Gaffe's Citroen Taxi- if we're still dreaming.
I buy a lot of "Speed Champions", but really only for the clever builds- to me they're "the yellow one" "the red one", etc.
Obviously, the Lotus 7 from the title sequence of The Prisoner
(We did get 21307 a few years ago which is kind of similar but a very different scale and colour)
Be seeing you
Saints Volvo P1800
Bonds Lotus Elite (Subcar)
A bit disappointing since the Lambo tbh - I really love the vintage sports cars. The plethora of similar Beamers and Mercs & modern super cars is just dull.
I vote KITT!
@Brickmasterboy said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"It only made a brief appearance, but we also need Indiana Jones' car."
There is a decent but small one in 77012"
That's a car he stole in Last Crusade. Dr. Jones' car is in the opening of Temple of Doom, and yes, it had a set in 2009, but it needs a revisit.
What about all the Film cars? You need to include those ?? /s
Thunderbirds FAB 1
Already mentioned but the Audi Quattro from Ashes to Ashes
Danger Mouse's Yellow car
A-Team: 1687 already exists. Just needs an 8-wide version.
To whoever mentioned Dukes of Hazzard, absolutely not. They wouldn't even make a model in a similar color to allow people to do it on their own. This is just stupid.
Would love to see a proper green Mustang.
FAB 1 from Thunderbirds
Monkeemobile from the Monkees
Steed's Jaguar XJ12 from The Avengers
Everything from Wacky Races
@dimc said:
"A-Team: 1687 already exists. Just needs an 8-wide version.
To whoever mentioned Dukes of Hazzard, absolutely not. They wouldn't even make a model in a similar color to allow people to do it on their own. This is just stupid.
Would love to see a proper green Mustang. "
Why is it 'just stupid' ??
@maffyd said:
"What about all the Film cars? You need to include those ?? /s"
Keep up!
This is an odd list. KITT & A Team I get. The Ferraris I understand, but we've had a lot of that manufacturer already. Guy Fieri's car I recognise. The rest just... What? They don't fit either the SC theme or aren't real or both.
Charlie's Angels Mustang Cobra? Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino? Ford Capri - The Professionals? Jaguar MkII - Inspector Morse? Pontiac Firebird Esprit -The Rockford Files? GMC K-2500 - The Fall Guy?
The /s implies sarcasm. I'm very aware of the film article. The comments on that one constantly referenced TV show cars which was a bit daft. I thought I'd homage that here ;-D
@Belboz said:
" @dimc said:
"A-Team: 1687 already exists. Just needs an 8-wide version.
To whoever mentioned Dukes of Hazzard, absolutely not. They wouldn't even make a model in a similar color to allow people to do it on their own. This is just stupid.
Would love to see a proper green Mustang. "
Why is it 'just stupid' ??"
For anyone whose American history is perhaps a bit shaky, the confederacy was a nation dedicated to human slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Confederate_States
Lego will absolutely not touch this, and rightly so.
Mr Bean is such a great shout that I can’t believe Lego haven’t already done. International brand that is kid friendly, really ticks all the boxes.
That well-known television series, Crazy Taxi.
@Belboz said:
" @dimc said:
"A-Team: 1687 already exists. Just needs an 8-wide version.
To whoever mentioned Dukes of Hazzard, absolutely not. They wouldn't even make a model in a similar color to allow people to do it on their own. This is just stupid.
Would love to see a proper green Mustang. "
Why is it 'just stupid' ??"
It's called the General Lee and has a Confederate flag on it. Lego isn't going to go near that kind of controversy.
Only one I'd buy is Supernatural Impala at mini-fig scale, preferably with a Sam and Dean minifig.
Some cars that come to mind are: The Goonies Fratelli Van, Ghostbusters Frozen Empire Ecto-1, Luke’s X-34 Landspeeder (it was actually a car but had mirrors angled downward for the hovering effect)
I fully appreciate the situation regarding the General Lee and the flag but the whole (very popular) series was a parody - entirely tongue-in-cheek - most certainly aimed at taking the p*ss out of the entire 'situation'. I get what you are saying about LEGO not wanting to touch it but they seem quite happy to produce other sets and pieces which are highly distasteful to various sections of the population. How far do we take censorship in what is essentially a construction toy?
Personally I kinda want to see a more realistic version of the off-roader from Jurassic World: Camp Cretaceous (the one in 76941 has an inaccurate mudguard shape), hopefully with a Season 2 Ben minifigure!
@Belboz said:
"I fully appreciate the situation regarding the General Lee and the flag but the whole (very popular) series was a parody - entirely tongue-in-cheek - most certainly aimed at taking the p*ss out of the entire 'situation'. I get what you are saying about LEGO not wanting to touch it but they seem quite happy to produce other sets and pieces which are highly distasteful to various sections of the population. How far do we take censorship in what is essentially a construction toy? "
The show is entirely incidental to the fact that the confederate flag represents dehumanizing (and outright murder of) black people, and people in the United States still fly that flag to push this ideology and terrorize black people. This would be a MONUMENTALLY stupid idea on Lego's part.
"A similar model has found its way to 10k on LEGO Ideas but failed to pass LEGO’s own internal review. In another dimension it maybe could have passed." Or perhaps another... Dimensions? As has already been pointed out, 71251 exists. But as I pointed out in the comments on film cars article, I can't picture them doing a van in Speed Champs. I also don't see them doing cars from animated shows in the line, as those may not even have a consistent reference. "Hot rods are notably absent from the 8-wide lineup..." Even across the whole line, there haven't been many, only three, two of which I have and one (75875) that I want. https://brickset.com/sets/tag-Hot-Rod/theme-Speed-Champions
@Belboz said:
"I fully appreciate the situation regarding the General Lee and the flag but the whole (very popular) series was a parody - entirely tongue-in-cheek - most certainly aimed at taking the p*ss out of the entire 'situation'. I get what you are saying about LEGO not wanting to touch it but they seem quite happy to produce other sets and pieces which are highly distasteful to various sections of the population. How far do we take censorship in what is essentially a construction toy? "
Hi! I'm someone who actually lives in the region that briefly tried to be the Confederate States of America (North Carolina, specifically) and sees these flags in person on a fairly regular basis. I am assuming your comment is made in good faith, which is not always the case when this subject comes up. Working under that assumption: You do not, in fact, fully appreciate the situation. I'm not sure you even entirely understand what the relevant situation *is*.
Additionally, the idea that Lego simply not having designed and produced a product with a Confederate flag (or any other particular symbol for that matter) on it constitutes "censorship" at all, let alone a particularly egregious example, is patently absurd.
That wasn't the point I was making but, rather than divert the original topic any further, I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.
The Confederate Flag was popular with Cork GAA fans in Ireland until it was banned in 2020.
Stupid langers. (Cork people, not the GAA.)
@PjtorXmos said:
"That AE86 would be amazing, but it's probably to niche to ever happen."
A different building blocks toy company has or had that license and made a handful of cars in Creator scale. They look very cool, you should check them out if you’re into Initial D.
@emQ said:
"Only one I'd buy is Supernatural Impala at mini-fig scale, preferably with a Sam and Dean minifig."
Zero day buy!!
Also thanks at @huw for making me remember Speed racer (Super Bolide in Québec). I recall the car had James Bond style apparatus.
List is missing a few I was expecting:
- Faceman’s Corvette from the A-Team
- Some classic cop cars like the Hill Street Blues ones would also be cool
- The Fall Guy pickup
- Simon and Simon both had cool vehicles
- The Equalizer’s Jaguar
- Inspector Morse’s Jaguar
- The Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino
- Some of the criminals in the original The Sweeney had cool cars
A few have been mentioned in the comments.
K.I.T.T. would definitely be my first choice for a TV-series Speed Champions set!
Your other candidates are great as well!
One thing though: Monica married the right guy, 'cause Richard didn't want any children anymore (I happen to watch Friends, lately, and recently passed that story arc) :P
Regards,
Mitch
@Belboz said:
"Seems somewhat US-centric but I suppose that reflects the larger market. Quite a few notable vehicles missing such as the iconic Reliant from OFAH."
Especially if it had room in the back for two naked minifigures.
Maxwell smart's sunbeam Tiger, and a yes to ZZ-Tops 1933 ford.
Mystery Machine, A-Team, Mr. Bean's Mini and ZZ Top 1933 Ford Coupe all day.
Let's not forget the Griswold Family Truckster from National Lampoon's Vacation!!!
Don't forget "Get Smart" Sunbeam Tiger or Sunbeam Alpine. Great car!
Upon reflection, while I still don't think they'd make the A-Team van (at least not in Speed Champions), I'd buy it if it came with a Murdock minifigure, as that's the closest I'd get to a Reg Barclay minifig. Good ol' Broccoli...
Too niche for LEGO but I'd love an official Squad and Engine 51, both Crown and LaFrance from Emergency!, round it out with a bike and car from CHiPs.
@Stebai said:
"Saints Volvo P1800
Bonds Lotus Elite (Subcar)
A bit disappointing since the Lambo tbh - I really love the vintage sports cars. The plethora of similar Beamers and Mercs & modern super cars is just dull.
"
Bonds ‘sub car’ if your referring to The Spy Who Loved Me was a Lotus Esprit.
Good shout though ;-)
I nominate Giles' Citroen and Spike's Desoto from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
A 2-In-1 set!
KITT would be nice, but I would buy that Ferrari plus Magnum P.I. minifig without hesitation.
I would be very interested in a Magnum P.I. set! I can't really think of anything not mentioned in the comments or article that would have interesting cars. Maybe the Walton's and their truck, or Andy Griffith's squad car. That's about all I can think of.
You don’t wanna know the things I’d do to bring Lego Scooby Doo back. I’d love to see them tackle the Mystery Machine in Dark Turquoise, Spring Yellowish Green and the new Reddish Orange. I think it would pop a lot more than the one we already have.
A Puma dune buggy. Red, with a yellow top. Minifigs: Bud Spencer and Terence Hill.
I don't think things from video games and music videos count as 'TV cars'...
@Freddy_Hodson said:
"Ahem, Bessie from Doctor Who."
Say it louder for the people in the back!
I think Mr. Bean's tri-wheeled car would be funnier.
Steve Urkel's Isetta from Family Matters!
@Agent_Brick_007 said:
" @SLQ said:
" @Brent007 said:
"The mystery machine was already a set..
And just yes to the rest.
:)"
And Speed Racer : Mach 5 also.
https://brickset.com/sets/8158-1/Speed-Racer-Snake-Oiler "
Same with the Patty Wagon https://brickset.com/sets/3833-1/Krusty-Krab-Adventures"
And Mini Cooper was produced under speed champion although different variation was it.
https://brickset.com/sets/75894-1/1967-Mini-Cooper-S-Rally-and-2018-MINI-John-Cooper-Works-Buggy
I'm going to assume at this point that the reason we haven't seen the A-Team van pass in Ideas (especially given we've seen it in Dimensions already so we know there's a working relationship there) is that, like Zelda, Lego is already working on it and just waiting for a plan to come together.
As a huge F-Zero fan, I never would have considered that one but would absolutely buy all four original machines!
Kudos to whoever thought to include Crazy Taxi. Maybe unlikely that it'll ever get made into a LEGO set, but the game is a real classic. Still play it regularly on my GameCube.
I would prefer the Ferrari Daytona of T Crockett from Miami Vice personally.
I want a large detailed (larger than minifig size) set of both the Jurassic Park jeep (what they're in when they first see the dinos) and the Ford Explorer (the green car they're taking the tour in when the power goes off). Both are classic.
Since you mentioned Lamborghini Murcielago, I would also like to propose the Ferrari 360 Spider. Both of them were hero cars for Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2.
And on a related note, would it be off-base to request some supercars with Police liveries and emergency lights?
No TMNT '87 Party Wagon? :(
Does anyone remember the obscure TV series called Viper where they had a Dodge Viper that transforms into a metallic armored version. I'd really like a Dodge Viper GTS in the blue with white stripes colorway.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Brickmasterboy said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
"It only made a brief appearance, but we also need Indiana Jones' car."
There is a decent but small one in 77012"
That's a car he stole in Last Crusade. Dr. Jones' car is in the opening of Temple of Doom, and yes, it had a set in 2009, but it needs a revisit."
I own 77012, and I am a massive Indy fan. That is a car he "borrowed" not owned. As for the one in the opening scene of TOD, I was meaning that one, although it has been made before in 7682.
@busyman said:
"Does anyone remember the obscure TV series called Viper where they had a Dodge Viper that transforms into a metallic armored version. I'd really like a Dodge Viper GTS in the blue with white stripes colorway."
I was just about to comment that the list is sorely missing a Viper Defender with some of the things like the side machine guns as play features. Although the silver Viper might be a little too curvy to do justice in Lego form. Also quite violent :D
@Atuin said:
"No TMNT '87 Party Wagon? :("
The set would have to be released as an Icons or Ideas - not Speed Champions, as most would want all four Turtle minifigs included. But yeah, it'd be nice if LEGO revisited the theme in some way...
Lego should absolutely make a General Lee. It's iconic and well known. Give it a sticker sheet so people who are offended don't have to use them. If you don't like it then don't buy. Pretty simple concept.
Miami Vice, Knight Rider & A-Team please!
The Munster Koach and the DRAG-U-LA would be incredible.
What I would give for a whole line of F-Zero machines…
Fab-1 would be fantastic, but I’d need a whole Thunderbirds line to go with it.
@cocoman said:
" @Agent_Brick_007 said:
" @SLQ said:
" @Brent007 said:
"The mystery machine was already a set..
And just yes to the rest.
:)"
And Speed Racer : Mach 5 also.
https://brickset.com/sets/8158-1/Speed-Racer-Snake-Oiler "
Same with the Patty Wagon https://brickset.com/sets/3833-1/Krusty-Krab-Adventures"
And Mini Cooper was produced under speed champion although different variation was it.
https://brickset.com/sets/75894-1/1967-Mini-Cooper-S-Rally-and-2018-MINI-John-Cooper-Works-Buggy"
Clearly we ar all forgetting lego dimensions!
71251 and 71286
ok, they are not minifig / speed champion scale, but they do have a minifig!
@Fordtruckin said:
"Lego should absolutely make a General Lee. It's iconic and well known. Give it a sticker sheet so people who are offended don't have to use them. If you don't like it then don't buy. Pretty simple concept."
The confederate flag should never be seen outside of a history book, let alone produced as part of a toy. FOH.
Nash Bridges’s ‘Cuda!
I'll add a rather obscure reference: Supergran's dune buggy.
(I was sad to read that Gudrun Ure, who played Supergran, had died last month at the age of 98.)
My wishlist of tv series cars, besides the ones already mentioned in other posts
- Morse' Jaguar MkII
- Dalgliesh' Jaguar E-type
- Vera Stanhope's Landrover Defender
- Schimanski's Citroen CX Turbo GTI
- Inspector Lynley's Jensen Interceptor MkIII
- George Gently's Rover Coupe MkIII
- Wallander's Saab 9-3
- Siegfried Farnon's (All creatures great and small) Rover 12 Sports Tourer
I’d love a full lineup of Wacky Races cars with minifigs.
@Maxbricks14 said:
" I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial."
I guess that's only true for the US market.
Seriously, where else in the world does anyone care about that?
I loved the show as a kid and thought the flag was just a cool decoration. Just like the Firebird on the Bandit's Pontiac or the Fall Guy logo on Colt Seavers' Pickup truck.
@AustinPowers said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial."
I guess that's only true for the US market.
Seriously, where else in the world does anyone care about that?
I loved the show as a kid and thought the flag was just a cool decoration. Just like the Firebird on the Bandit's Pontiac or the Fall Guy logo on Colt Seavers' Pickup truck. "
'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.' You Germans should know better than that. (Yes, I went there.) Is YOUR old flag 'just a decoration'?
EDITED for spelling mistake and clarity
@Murdoch17 said:
"You Germans should know better than that. (Yes, I went there.) Is YOUR old flag 'just a decoration'?
EDITED for spelling mistake and clarity"
LMAO gottem
We NEED the DeLorean made in SC. That set did not age well. The Ecto still looks good, but it would be nice to see what they could do with all the new parts since it’s release.
I would be floored to get a Guy Fieri minifigure.
I'm for:
1969 Mustang Mach 1 (John Wick)
Ken Miles 1966 GT40 [Either Daytona or LeMans livery] (Ford vs. Ferrari)
2000 Ford SVT Lightning ( The Fast & the Furious)
Banana Splits buggies.
Munsters and Addams Family cars.
The Monkees hotrod.
Starbug and Blue Midget (how many more times can LEGO reject Red Dwarf-themed Ideas submissions?!)
And obviously everything - EVERYTHING!!! - that ever appeared in a Gerry Anderson show.
Bessie from Doctor who really would be a nice set. Especially with the Third Doctor and Sarah Jane
@Murdoch17 said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial."
I guess that's only true for the US market.
Seriously, where else in the world does anyone care about that?
I loved the show as a kid and thought the flag was just a cool decoration. Just like the Firebird on the Bandit's Pontiac or the Fall Guy logo on Colt Seavers' Pickup truck. "
'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.' You Germans should know better than that. (Yes, I went there.) Is YOUR old flag 'just a decoration'?
EDITED for spelling mistake and clarity"
I'm not really sure if those two flags can be compared. I mean, if the Confederate flag was THAT controversial, wouldn't the show have been banned in parts of the US?
I would love the General Lee dodge charger from the Dukes of Hazard and, although not speed, Del Boys Reliant van or a ford capri from the professionals. Too many great cars to chose from
+1 for KITT.
And if we are talking fictional cars, how about the gadget-mobile from Inspector Gadget, that would be cool.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @Freddy_Hodson said:
"Ahem, Bessie from Doctor Who."
Say it louder for the people in the back!"
BESSIE FROM DOCTOR WHO
Lady Penelope’s FAB 1 from Thunderbirds - the original Rolls Royce.
@AustinPowers said:
"I'm not really sure if those two flags can be compared. I mean, if the Confederate flag was THAT controversial, wouldn't the show have been banned in parts of the US? "
Oh boy, you need to learn a little bit about the USA.
@ghost_target said:
"I'm for:
1969 Mustang Mach 1 (John Wick)
Ken Miles 1966 GT40 [Either Daytona or LeMans livery] (Ford vs. Ferrari)
2000 Ford SVT Lightning ( The Fast & the Furious)"
Those are cars from movies, there's another post for these
I've put the John Wick cars there too as my favorites :-)
The Ford GT40 is already a speed champions car, mayby in another livery then?
@Fordtruckin said:
"Lego should absolutely make a General Lee. It's iconic and well known. Give it a sticker sheet so people who are offended don't have to use them. If you don't like it then don't buy. Pretty simple concept."
You're in the US. You should know better than this WRT to both the flag in question and the idea that this would successfully avoid controversy (ISTR something about a beer can?).
@AustinPowers said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial."
I guess that's only true for the US market.
Seriously, where else in the world does anyone care about that?
I loved the show as a kid and thought the flag was just a cool decoration. Just like the Firebird on the Bandit's Pontiac or the Fall Guy logo on Colt Seavers' Pickup truck. "
'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.' You Germans should know better than that. (Yes, I went there.) Is YOUR old flag 'just a decoration'?
EDITED for spelling mistake and clarity"
I'm not really sure if those two flags can be compared. I mean, if the Confederate flag was THAT controversial, wouldn't the show have been banned in parts of the US? "
The First amendment says you can't ban freedom of speech. Sadly, this flag is covered under that.
EDIT: Oh, you meant the show, not the flag?
@dimc said:
" @Fordtruckin said:
"Lego should absolutely make a General Lee. It's iconic and well known. Give it a sticker sheet so people who are offended don't have to use them. If you don't like it then don't buy. Pretty simple concept."
The confederate flag should never be seen outside of a history book, let alone produced as part of a toy. FOH. "
So I guess that means you would not be buying a General Lee if Lego ever decides to make one. That's awesome! I plan to buy multiple sets but knowing you're not going to buy it means I won't have to be at the computer ordering it on day one. Thanks!
The Good Old USA has concepts like free speech and free expression of ideas, even ones you personally don't agree with (hey, you're from the US, you really should know this!) If you don't like it don't buy it. If we are gonna make an issue about slavery then what about the Roman Colosseum? Not only was it built by slave but most of the people who died there for the entertainment of the masses were also slaves. Lego made the Colosseum not to promote slavery but because it is an architectural masterpiece. Lego could make a General Lee because it's an iconic car from a great TV show. A sticker sheet could easily solve the issue of some people being offended. I would buy multiple copies because I love the show and you could make some amazing displays from the show and even create an authentic "junk yard" featuring cars used in the "show". Lego could even make Boss Hogg's Cadillac, Cooter's tow truck, Roscoe's police car and Daisy's Jeep and her yellow Road Runner. Sounds like the Duke's of Hazzard could potentially be a treasure trove of content! They could even make play sets to jump over objects. Sounds like a lot of fun to me! I'd go all in!
@Fordtruckin said:
"A sticker sheet could easily solve the issue of some people being offended."
Yes, because no-one's ever taken offense at any kind of sticker.
@Murdoch17 said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Murdoch17 said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @Maxbricks14 said:
" I reckon we need the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard!
Although the Confederate flag on top would be too controversial."
I guess that's only true for the US market.
Seriously, where else in the world does anyone care about that?
I loved the show as a kid and thought the flag was just a cool decoration. Just like the Firebird on the Bandit's Pontiac or the Fall Guy logo on Colt Seavers' Pickup truck. "
'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.' You Germans should know better than that. (Yes, I went there.) Is YOUR old flag 'just a decoration'?
EDITED for spelling mistake and clarity"
I'm not really sure if those two flags can be compared. I mean, if the Confederate flag was THAT controversial, wouldn't the show have been banned in parts of the US? "
The First amendment says you can't ban freedom of speech. Sadly, this flag is covered under that.
EDIT: Oh, you meant the show, not the flag?"
Of course I meant the show.
And while we're at it, displaying the flag you mentioned is illegal over here.
So a show with some "good ole boys" neo-nazis driving around in their bright orange BMW M5 with a swastika on the roof would never have seen the light of day here.
Again, I don't think those two flags can be compared.
@Fordtruckin said:
"The Good Old USA has concepts like free speech and free expression of ideas, even ones you personally don't agree with (hey, you're from the US, you really should know this!) If you don't like it don't buy it. If we are gonna make an issue about slavery then what about the Roman Colosseum? Not only was it built by slave but most of the people who died there for the entertainment of the masses were also slaves. Lego made the Colosseum not to promote slavery but because it is an architectural masterpiece. Lego could make a General Lee because it's an iconic car from a great TV show. A sticker sheet could easily solve the issue of some people being offended. I would buy multiple copies because I love the show and you could make some amazing displays from the show and even create an authentic "junk yard" featuring cars used in the "show". Lego could even make Boss Hogg's Cadillac, Cooter's tow truck, Roscoe's police car and Daisy's Jeep and her yellow Road Runner. Sounds like the Duke's of Hazzard could potentially be a treasure trove of content! They could even make play sets to jump over objects. Sounds like a lot of fun to me! I'd go all in!"
Yes, we have robust freedom of speech protection in the US. This is why nobody has argued that the set you're proposing would be illegal. It also means that, if Lego were to actually make such a set, as soon as it was revealed it would be headline news across the country that Lego is making a set with the Racism Flag in it. Whether it's a printed piece or a sticker would make absolutely no difference to this. Whether you or I or literally anyone buys this specific set also makes no difference here. This would be godawful press that Lego does not want.
And make no mistake, those news organizations would be 100% right to present it as the Racism Flag. Its modern usage is entirely the result of a political campaign focused on opposing the civil rights movement of the mid-twentieth century, and it has been in active use as a symbol of racism ever since. It was flown at a pretty major event you might have heard about a few Januarys ago. The issue is not historical slavery, but modern white supremacism.
At most, Lego might produce a version of the car that doesn't include the flag in any form, like with the *actual* close analog in existing sets, the swastika-free Indiana Jones theme. But that seems highly unlikely given that it is one of the car's most prominent features.
@ra226 said:
"I'm going to assume at this point that the reason we haven't seen the A-Team van pass in Ideas (especially given we've seen it in Dimensions already so we know there's a working relationship there) is that, like Zelda, Lego is already working on it and just waiting for a plan to come together."
So when they do sort out making such as set, would you say we'll all love it when a plan comes together...? ;)
The Crazy Taxi description is amazing. [I usually play Gina in the arcades or Dreamcast, not Axel, but Axel is generally the poster character, despite B.D. Joe being the one that shows up in crossovers.] No idea if LEGO would find the series contrary to their values, but they do have a working relationship with Sega, so I could see it happening.
A Blue Falcon set would be really cool, but it doesn't fit with Speed Champions. No wheels. [That said, I assume these aren't to be taken seriously; SpongeBob and Mr. Bean read like joke answers.]
We definitely do need a redone Mach 5. I have so much nostalgia for that car and the original set, but despite that theme introducing a few notable useful pieces, those sets really have aged horrifically and the trademark "M" is a STAMP. If they can make a Speed Champions set with the proper curvature (or Icons, sure) I'll very quickly pick it up.
Nobody under 30 cares about Dukes of Hazzard. While that can be said for a lot of 80s-ish (yes, I know, technically 79) nostalgia LEGO sets they put out mostly as Icons, it's especially true about that particular show. Their modern reboot movie is even older than the A-Team's. Sure, the car is nostalgic if you grew up around that show, but all kids and the majority of young adults will find a set based on it confusing and probably repulsive. That said, it wouldn't be the first time LEGO seems to have contradictory values between their product releases.
@Andrusi said:
" @Belboz said:
"I fully appreciate the situation regarding the General Lee and the flag but the whole (very popular) series was a parody - entirely tongue-in-cheek - most certainly aimed at taking the p*ss out of the entire 'situation'. I get what you are saying about LEGO not wanting to touch it but they seem quite happy to produce other sets and pieces which are highly distasteful to various sections of the population. How far do we take censorship in what is essentially a construction toy? "
Hi! I'm someone who actually lives in the region that briefly tried to be the Confederate States of America (North Carolina, specifically) and sees these flags in person on a fairly regular basis. I am assuming your comment is made in good faith, which is not always the case when this subject comes up. Working under that assumption: You do not, in fact, fully appreciate the situation. I'm not sure you even entirely understand what the relevant situation *is*.
Additionally, the idea that Lego simply not having designed and produced a product with a Confederate flag (or any other particular symbol for that matter) on it constitutes "censorship" at all, let alone a particularly egregious example, is patently absurd."
I mentioned it the last time the Dukes of Hazzard got brought up, that the series is a product of its time. There was (at least particularly in the western US and where the Hollywood show writers would have been) a time when the Confederate flag was seen as a "rebel flag" and not really taken seriously for its negative and often racial connotations. It was a shorthand way of saying the series was set in the South, the characters were anti-authoritarians, and was an image that could have been marketed easily. It doesn't change that many groups even at the time were using the flag as a symbol of racial violence, but for a large innocent portion of the population it had that lighter connotation of "rebel against authority" in the same way the Starbird in Star Wars might be seen now. Ignorance doesn't completely excuse the issue, but the use of it on the car in the TV show honestly seems like it was not intended to be offensive at the time. I think it was pretty obvious though the Dukes were a "Robin Hood" character type, with a mean sheriff and their attempts to outwit the authorities; the series just draped itself in the trappings of the Confederacy as a shorthand way of saying "yeah we're totally rebels, an American Robin Hood in a cool car!" None of that has particularly aged well, at all; but saying "the flag is now very offensive" and "the series was a lark poking fun at the situation" are both correct.
Ultimately I agree, now in 2024 the General Lee with its battle flag would be a terrible choice for a LEGO product.
Since we're including fantasy cars on the list, one that I think would actually fit with the Speed Champions theme is the Coyote X from Hardcastle and McCormick. Then I'd maybe build a semi trailer for it to slide under. (I can't be held accountable if the trailer maybe matched a certain robot in disguise.)
Also surprised the Munster Koach wasn't included, with the comment about missing hot rods.
@AustinPowers:
The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is unique in this world in just how much it prevents the government from doing. Offhand the only two exceptions I know of are shouting “fire” in a crowded theater (or really any crowded room), and making threats of violence against POTUS (even jokingly).
Certain content (basically the stuff that would get an R rating from the MPAA) is banned from the public airwaves entirely, or at least during hours when kids might be awake, but that’s a condition imposed on requesting access to those airwaves. Cable networks have no such restrictions. Basic cable tends to steer clear of most of that because it makes it hard to attract advertisers. These days, CMT is the only cable network that seems to be willing to touch that show, but their demographic has considerable overlap with people who think that flag isn’t a problem.
@Fordtruckin:
I believe TLG is exercising their 1st Amendment right to free speech by staying out of that conversation, and by never releasing a set based on that car.
@Andrusi:
The flag’s modern usage is also largely the result of the Daughters of the Confederacy once running a massive campaign to whitewash the image of the Confederacy in general, making it seem more about states’ rights than the fact that everything traces invariably back to an economy that was becoming not just increasingly inviable, but also intolerable.
Bringing this back on subject, the one TV car that I have not seen mentioned here that I'd love to see released as a set is Abby Sciutto's 5-window Ford from NCIS:
https://www.imcdb.org/v244268.html
I'm surprised nobody has said Lola from Marvel / Agents of Shield. We had one as a set 76077 , but it needs to get the Speed Champions treatment!
@PurpleDave et. al. regarding the Confederate flag: thanks for the input. As an outsider I never saw the flag as a problem, especially since it played a prominent part in an apparently very popular TV show. One that at least in Germany still has a lot of fans. So many that a certain German alternative manufaturer even produced a car that looks quite a bit like the General Lee from the Dukes of Hazzard - albeit not named as such, and without the flag:
https://www.bluebrixx.com/en/motor-vehicle/102757/Oranges-US-Muscle-Car-BlueBrixx-Special
@AustinPowers:
Given that another flag is illegal to fly in Germany, and people still flout that rule, combined with certain similarities between the two groups that those flags represent, I'd seriously question if the Stars and Bars isn't being used as a legal substitute for the other one.
@PurpleDave: so far I have never seen the Confederate flag in Germany anywhere. I doubt that most people over here would even know its meaning. I would wager to guess that even most of the German Dukes of Hazzard fans don't know what it stands for.
@Murdoch17 said:
"I'm surprised nobody has said Lola from Marvel / Agents of Shield. We had one as a set 76077 , but it needs to get the Speed Champions treatment!"
I mentioned it in the comments on the movie cars article, but yeah, that is a TV car.
You won't see Initial D from Lego, since CaDA holds that license.
I vote for 6000 SUX from "Robocop".
@mhbact said:
" @ghost_target said:
"I'm for:
1969 Mustang Mach 1 (John Wick)
Ken Miles 1966 GT40 [Either Daytona or LeMans livery] (Ford vs. Ferrari)
2000 Ford SVT Lightning ( The Fast & the Furious)"
Those are cars from movies, there's another post for these
I've put the John Wick cars there too as my favorites :-)
The Ford GT40 is already a speed champions car, mayby in another livery then?
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Mea Culpa, I had both Movie & TV cars open in different tabs
Anyway, I'm struggling to think of other TV cars I'd want. The Party Wagon/Turtle Van, maybe?
I'd buy Piyo-chan from Hirogaru Sky! Precure but I might be the only one.
How about the 1940 Ford modified van/truck from Ironside? (1970s police/detective show following Ironside, a retired detective who was shot and paralysed from the waist down so solves crimes while in a wheelchair)
Good way to get a wheelchair minifigure where it actually makes sense.
@PurpleDave said:
" @Andrusi:
The flag’s modern usage is also largely the result of the Daughters of the Confederacy once running a massive campaign to whitewash the image of the Confederacy in general, making it seem more about states’ rights than the fact that everything traces invariably back to an economy that was becoming not just increasingly inviable, but also intolerable."
A real tangent (what were we talking about, LEGO?), but a friend of mine pointed out a historical book that discussed how the industrialization coming to the South, particularly along the railroad companies; was increasingly abolitionist and against slavery. The internal dissent in the South itself, although not often talked about; was a very real thing which had plenty of new industry in the region questioning the old-order. The book also argues that the traditional story of the South being less industrialized than the North isn't totally true, but of course since those industries were often destroyed in battle it meant they didn't last the war.
The best stories though are the screw-all attitude many Southern railroaders had of the war, and would often toy with Confederate supplies and troop movements out of protest or perhaps a troll-ish lulz to toy with stuffy soldiers who would try to boss them around. Stories of Confederate officers demanding their train of supplies be moved right that instant (or the railroaders would risk treason), while railroaders gradually inebriated themselves until telling the officers "we're all drunk now, what are YOU going to do about it?" (defanging all threats of being hung for treason) are surprisingly common. Even with the Great Locomotive Chase and the railroaders who captured the Union raiders deputized into the Confederate forces, it seems likely the railroaders were more angry at their equipment being stolen than they were angry at the Union itself for doing it. It is certain that even for all the people in the South sympathetic to the old order of slavery, there were plenty of other people who had abolitionist opinions and took every chance they could to screw up the war effort on the Union's behalf.
@AustinPowers:
I only know from experience in the US, and here they are commonly equated with each other.
@xboxtravis7992:
Slavery in the US was more than just an economic base, of course. It divided the US into two power blocs in Congress, and an agreement had been made that for every two states that were admitted into the Union, one would be a Slave state, and the other would be a Free state. The expectation was that this would prevent the balance of power from shifting too far to one side or the other. As the world became increasingly less dependent on slavery, there was a move to abandon this policy, which would have locked the size of the Southern coalition, while the Northern side grew larger, to the point where the South would have been a clear minority in the political arena.
The thing is, it was an economy that was on the verge of collapse anyways. Even as far back as the Revolutionary War, the UK had promised any slaves who joined their side would be granted freedom, and nearly a century later they were increasingly pressuring the US to abandon slavery by the time Lincoln was elected. My dad says the UK was even threatening to stop buying American cotton unless slavery was banned. Without an international market to sell their cotton to, there wouldn't have been much need to keep slaves anymore.
Walter White's Pontiac Aztec would be ad day 1 buy for me :)
What is with Eleonor from "Gone in 60 Seconds" i would realy appreciate this one.
Smart car and Tata Nano 2 pack
Angel's Datsun Roadster from The Rockford Files.
1969 Pontiac Firebird Convertible from I Dream of Jeannie
Black Beauty from The Green Hornet
Clampett's Truck from The Beverly Hillbillies
@CaptainMoore said:
"Spirou and Fantasio's Turbotraction could be cool, not sure it's well known though"
So much yes! I love that design.
Even though there have been a few Mustangs (75871, 75884, & recently 76920) and Chargers (75893 & 76912), I think it would be cool to have a double set with the ones from Bullitt - one of the best car chases ever!
@chadrach4 said:
"Even though there have been a few Mustangs (75871, 75884, & recently 76920) and Chargers (75893 & 76912), I think it would be cool to have a double set with the ones from Bullitt - one of the best car chases ever!"
Would it include an extra hubcap so you can lose the same one twice?
It’s hilarious how people are taking the Confederate flag to mean what it did during the civil war. So, other things can take on new meaning…but that flag can’t? That flag simply represents Southern pride. It’s extremely simple to understand.
@Vindicare said:
"It’s hilarious how people are taking the Confederate flag to mean what it did during the civil war. So, other things can take on new meaning…but that flag can’t? That flag simply represents Southern pride. It’s extremely simple to understand. "
Congratulations on not actually reading any of the comments you're dismissing.
@Oorhon said:
"‘67 Chevrolet Impala from Supernatural would be perfect too. "
House rules, Sammy: Driver picks the music, shotgun shuts his cake hole.
1977 Trans AM - Smokey and the Bandit
The decals would be epic
Minifigure: The Bandit
You could also have the Kenworth W900A semitruck and trailer- more epic decals
Minifigures: Snowman and Fred (the dog)!
Also, what about the hot rod from the Munsters Koach or the Addams family Packard V-12
Minifigures: the Munsters or Addams family!!! Very cool for Halloween sets
Or the truck from the Beverly Hillbillies TV show :)