First pictures of the Technic off-roader

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4x4 X-Treme Off-Roader

4x4 X-Treme Off-Roader

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German toy store Wagner's Spiel+Technikwelt GmbH has published pictures of the box of 42099 4x4 X-Treme Off-Roader on Facebook.

The vehicle will ship with the new Control+ hub, two XL motors and one L one and will be controllable using a new Control+ smartphone app. via Bluetooth.

The box gives us our first look at the new Technic Control+ logo.

You'll find more pictures after the break.

News via Promobricks.

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62 comments on this article

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By in United Kingdom,

Any news on the price? I've got a feeling that this is not going to be cheap....

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By in France,

Looks wicked

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By in United Kingdom,

Wow :D
That looks amazing!!!!

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By in United Kingdom,

One of the first sets I bought after my dark age was 8297 and this looks like a suitable upgrade from that

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By in Germany,

EUR 229.99 in Germany according to Promobricks

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By in Belgium,

The set looks great!
But the amount of stickers is just insane.

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By in United Kingdom,

UK release 1st august, £200

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By in United Kingdom,

Any idea if these new hubs can be hooked up to the old controllers, rather than the app?

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By in United Kingdom,

I wont be buying it but it does look cool
And price wise I m going to say £120...

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By in Austria,

Looks amazing! But its price will revent me from buying it!

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By in United Kingdom,

Not sure if this is really the way to go for Lego technic. I can see what they are trying to do, but the great thing about Lego is that it is timeless. I can build a 20 or 30 year old Lego technic set with my young son and it will function today exactally the way it did then. If this requires a smart phone or tablet to work will it still be supported in 20 years time on his VR implant in his right eye? Somehow I don’t think so!

It seems technic sets are going away from the core idea, which was allowing kids to construct complex mechanical machines and be wowed by the wonder of gears levers suspension and drive trains and how they work together to achieve a real world function. Rather than just a couple of motors that move something back and forward.

Also wow.....death by sticker sheet!

Having said that I will wait and reserve judgement until it comes out.

Have no illusions though it will be expensive £200 + seems about the mark.

Not really excited, as you maybe have guessed.

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By in United Kingdom,

@legoavenger14 I'd say it would be close to £120 WITHOUT any of the PF stuff, but with the new Control+ hub and 3 motors, as others have said, it's likely going to be around £200. Hopefully be able to pick it up for around £120 eventually though ;)

Looks good, will definitely pick this up eventually. Possibly my xmas to myself sorted!

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By in New Zealand,

Grrr... Orange again.

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By in United Kingdom,

@matrox2001 the first Mindstorms kits were released 20 years ago and there are still enthusiasts that use the original RCX, if not with the original software then with some of the tools created by the community over the years.
When this set is released it's probably going to be a matter of days before someone works out what protocol it uses and creates a Python library or something for it to use in place of the official apps.

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By in Germany,

@matrox2001: you are so right.

Sticker mayhem. Pricing insane.
Ruined another otherwise cool looking set.
I am so glad that I bought the last of the "real" larger Technic sets (as in real in the spirit of what Technic used to be) back in the day - 42040, 42042, 42043, 42054.

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By in United Kingdom,

Pro tip for anyone who doesn't like the stickers. Don't apply them! It looks like they are all just for decoration, so instead of an orange cab covered in stickers, you'll just have an orange cab.

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By in United States,

It has to be $200 USD at least leaving my wallet! It will be so much fun to mod and play with my son! Can’t wait!

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By in United Kingdom,

Defo going to get this one!

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By in Netherlands,

It needs more stickers. I mean LOOK at that bare black panel in under the bed. So unslightly!

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By in Poland,

All of you who complain about stickers here must have never seen a real offroad car like this. Suprisingly to many, most of such real cars are covered with... yup, stickers. Printing such stickers on elements would be absolutely insane imo.

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By in United States,

"smart device required but not included"... It took me about five seconds to go from "I want it!" to "Nope. Never."

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By in Poland,

So pricey set and no B model??
What has happened with that? Are we supposed to expect the same from other sets from now on? The end of tradition?

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By in United Kingdom,

certain sets can be tricky to price up for instance the stranger things house I expected it to be more expensive than what it was.. if this off roader really is £200 in the UK then consider me shocked lol..

Oh and it would of looked nice in Red n white over the Orange..

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By in United Kingdom,

It is £200. I have the Lego retailers price list in front of me

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By in United Kingdom,

Much as I detest the idea of the phone app controls (which are bound to become unsupported and obsolete within a decade), and the stickers are naff, this looks like the first decent set Lego have released in ages.

It looks like a beast - the kind of 4x4 I’ve been waiting for.

Just hope they somehow future-proof this stupid control app business.

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By in United States,

Without a hardware controller option I will be leaving Technic. The difference between this and Mindstorms is it's easy to keep old computers functioning. Not so with most of today's phones. Additionally, I can't think of a less reliable controller than a touch one. How many times a day I use the backspace key on this suck-ass touch keyboard makes me crazy enough. I don't need controlling my Technic sets yo be an annoyance as well.

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By in Germany,

1. Wait for the by now usual discount on any set, buy set.
2. Rip out the new app control stuff and sell it on ebay.
3. Mod the model with old school motors and control.
4. Profit! (have the set at low price and with acceptable controls).

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By in United Kingdom,

So, no remote of its own then?

And since there are three motors but seemingly only two functions (drive, steering), and you can't fit more than one motor to each output port, that implies you wouldn't be able to drive it from the standard remote anyway.

Is this LEGO somehow fighting the huge prices asked for discontinued sets, by making sure that any set more than a few years old is effectively worthless?

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By in Canada,

In the Lego Store in Canada, The 6x6 all terrain truck(42070) still shows as "NEW" on the "new page". It has 6 of those big tires, 1 XL motor, 1 med motor, 1 controller, 1 IR receiver and 1 battery box. It goes for cad$369. Obviously nobody is buying this at that price and this is probably why Lego is trying to trick casual buyers that this is something new. As someone correctly mentioned previously, this truck brings very little in terms of learning new mechanical design. It does look reasonably cool and maybe off-roading Lego competition might become a thing. Other than that, to me this is a part pack and as such, the price has to be very reasonable (nothing like 42070). Somehow, I have a much bigger interest in the 3 other sets slated for summer 2019 (Liebherr 9800, car transporter and spider crane). As always, new parts can play a role in buying a set even if I have little interest in the original model.

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By in Canada,

Stickers don't have to be a problem. The issue is when you disassemble and build something else... and eventually want to rebuild the original model. If there will be 5 sticker sheets per box, that would solve the problem. When you rebuild the original, you would still have new stickers to reapply. (of course this would eventually run out but you still have more opportunities). Personally, I never apply them - they do nothing to improve the mechanics of the model - but for System, that might be different.

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By in Poland,

Thia price and no remote? Hahahahahanha.
No thanks I will keep my good old 4x4

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By in United States,

Why is there no piece count on the box? Or did I miss it?

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By in Canada,

Bought on sight!

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By in Germany,

Wait wait, it comes without a remote controller?

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By in United Kingdom,

@randomly_generated because boxes sold outside of the USA don't need to state it, so they don't.

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By in United States,

It's interesting that this and the Batmobile (76102) don't come with a remote, and yet the City Trains (60197 & 60198) do come with a remote . . . and uses the same Powered Up app as the Batmobile. I wish they would be consistent.

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By in United States,

I insist that TLG should be use at least for this expensive sets, better and reusable boxes like they use for Architecture sets.

Just for the appearance...... Two kids in Two hours can accomplish better results.

The only feature that caught my attention is the way it shows the angles on the app.
Does the Hub contain an accelerometer or a tilt sensor inside ?

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By in Portugal,

@saldal330 Yes, it has a gyro and an accelerometer.

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By in United States,

I am just astounded how many people are still thinking these will stop working entirely once the app goes off the market (which will probably be years from now). It's a Bluetooth connection (a widely available radio protocol for data transmission). And with past electronics systems like the various Mindstorms programs, it took VERY little time for hackers to crack the system software and introduce new, more complex and cross-compatible software and hardware options. Even if Lego DOESN'T release the SDK publicly (something they are apparently still considering the option of), I would not be surprised to see hobbyists crack the system and introduce their own third-party, updatable control options within the year. There are already options for doing so with the Boost and Powered Up components released so far that are a mere Google search away.

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By in Germany,

This one looks extremely cool, except for the blue pins ;)

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By in United States,

@Lyichir I'm entirely not interested in seeking out hackers to make my toys work. I am, however, willing to pay extra for an optional hardware controller. TLG please make it so!

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By in Slovakia,

wondering how fast will be this model :)

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By in United States,

@Huw-- Okay, thanks! I never knew that, so it just seemed a little strange to me. I like to see the piece count so I know what the PPP is. Not that it matters if it's a cool set...

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By in United States,

@lippidp: My comment was mainly about the people complaining that the components would become obsolete once Lego no longer offered the app themselves, which as somebody who has seen parts of the Lego community come together to digitally archive old software (including both physically released games for console and PC, digital app games, and even online games that use outdated browser plugins like Shockwave and Flash), just doesn't seem at all realistic. When there's a will in the community, there's usually a way.

I was also using the term "hackers" in the traditional sense—not as malicious programmers exploiting vulnerabilities in software for nefarious ends but as hobbyist coders who experiment, tinker, and expand the possibilities of software and hardware to open them up to wider use and compatibility. The history of Mindstorms featured these sorts of hackers from early on and in NXT and EV3 releases Lego actively embraced the hacking community in the development of the system in order to better facilitate hobbyists and educators who wanted to take the system farther than the barebones, kid-targeted native programming language alone could offer. Resources on this kind of thing is widely available both online and even in published guides for hobbyists and educators, and I hope to see Control+ follow in that tradition of open fan development before long.

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By in United Kingdom,

I fully understand why so many companies are choosing smart-device control over their own controllers, but it's something I'm personally against. Integrating everything together just makes it more annoying when that thing breaks.

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By in United States,

Looks great, but no controller? I see no need in smartphone apps to run RC anything. Most of the old IR sets included a remote. I just wish Lego had gone with 2.4GHZ tech like most RC makers did. Entry level transmitters aren't that expensive. But, I guess if someone wanted to, they could just do like I used to do for tablets; buy the cheapest prepaid smartphone they could find, and then never activate it, using it as is.

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By in United States,

That looks freaking awesome

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By in United States,

Makes me sad that everything is app-based nowadays :'(

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By in United States,

how many pieces and more importantly how much???? if this is more then $220 i will not get but man this thing looks AMAZING!!!!! probably one of the only technic sets that i actually like and think looks good

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By in Latvia,

Why so many different electric systems?! Even though Control+ is great, I don't feel the need for so many new systems. Or if you're introducing Control+ then use it at least more broadly

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By in United Kingdom,

I'm also in the 'disappointed about Lego going down the smart-device-as-controller' route. I would much preferred a dedicated controller.

Without this turning into whingefest, what's the best way to constructively feed this sort of opinion back to TLG? Ring customer services? Talk to Dr Dave as our rep? Write a letter in green ink and sent it to Billund or just wait for my next store survey and then have a rant?

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By in Germany,

CaDa/Double E has several Technic-type sets (fully legal mind you, no clones like Lepin or Decool) with PF like components but with 2.4 GHz technology. Like this one for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxizV232f8

Far better than LEGO's old IR system, yet fully compatible with all the old PF motors. I used CaDa 2.4 GHz controllers and receivers in conjunction with LEGO PF motors in several Technic MOCs and it works a treat.

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By in United Kingdom,

@AustinPowers can only agree - got some of the CaDa military sets and they're awesome.

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By in United States,

@Lyichir I'm one of those people doing reverse engineering on on the protocols(https://github.com/nathankellenicki/node-poweredup/ is my project), but I express the same concerns as a lot of the other people in this thread.

There is something to be said for something "just working" 20 years from now. A lot of people don't have the technical know how to figure out how to keep this stuff working. I personally know people who need help to download apps onto their phone.

Also, as one of the people writing these libraries, it's a lot of work! It sure would be nice if I didn't have to spend so much time making sure that my toys can work with other contexts than just the ones Lego provides. :)

I think there's something to be said for Lego releasing a few more remote control types for people to use. Yes, the app/BLE functionality is nice for advanced control, but sometimes you just want to press a button and go. And it would go someway towards future-proofing the system.

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By in Canada,

Sadly, I don't see the appeal of this set. Have to agree with Matrox2001. I guess I am too old, but Technic used to mean something different to me than what is being put out now.

42082, the rough terrain crane, was a good set. Happy to spend that money.

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By in United States,

I have two CaDa controller/receiver systems and they work well. By the way, the CaDa receiver is integrated with a rechargeable battery, so the whole system is very nice.

Does anyone have a suggestion for an inexpensive bluetooth device to be used with PU?

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By in Switzerland,

@Mr Hobbles: I‘m sure you know that Lego themselves have published the protocol specs, right? Here: https://lego.github.io/lego-ble-wireless-protocol-docs/

I for one appreciate that TLG chose to use a (mostly) open RF standard for their latest iteration of electronics rather than once again introduce a propriotary one - this enables third parties to interface with them.
And as others have said, one strength of the Lego community has always been resourcefulness and nostalgia, so I don‘t expect this system to become obsolete for decades to come.

Oh, and in one of the interviews done with the Powered Up devs at the Lego media fan days they already hinted at more components for „simple“ control, i.e. a hardware controller.
Also, the existing train remotes are also compatible with the new Control+ hubs.

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By in United States,

@voyman I am. It is quite incomplete. It only covers about 50% of what we’ve already discovered. Though it also included some stuff we hadn’t discovered. Swings and roundabouts. :)

Also the spec was released almost a full year after we’d already completed and published the first version of our libraries.

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By in Germany,

If I wanted to get rid of 230€, then I could just as well buy a real RC car. Something that's more durable and faster. A 4WD Tamiya Neo Scorcher comes with a proper remote and is 140€.

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By in United Kingdom,

New 1-5 ratio planetary gears and new CV joints.

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