Oh dear ...

Has also just disappeared from Kmart Australia's website, gunna try track it down at an independent toy store now

My order status is on "in warehouse"

The preorders are currently processing from Lego. Those of us who preordered in February should recieve our copy within the coming days and let you know how it looks.

@KyloRen0806 said:
"The Razor Crest is a product of Lucasfilm, how can anyone just trademark it? Am I missing something?"

Apperantly it's also the name of a ship from the "Stone Wars" property, but do people know there can exists two ships with the same name?

My pre-orders both say "In Warehouse" rather than to contact customer services... rather funnily in the order it now shows this as the set name..... which clearly sets a default but reverts to original name down under.

|{"DEFAULT": "The Mandalorian™ Bounty Hunter Transport", "AU": "The Razor Crest", "NZ": "The Razor Crest"}|

If it arrives stickered to death won't be happy but assume they'd need to sticker the instructions too so may be a rebox/reprint or an open box resealed stickered to death affair... or shipping as is and be dammed... guess we'll find out

Is the name also on the instruction booklet?

Will they put a sticker over the name on the existing boxes or print new boxes?

@Orange_Jooze said:
"Would TLG get away with applying a sticker over the box or would they really be required to print new boxes?

@Lego_K said:
"Unlike a certain Technic set earlier this year, at least this is just a name change and will have no effect on the product itself.

That said, just shows you how stupid Lucasfilm/Dinsey is at the moment."

Does it, though? Sure, it might have been their hubris to assume that no one would try to counter-claim their IP, but to them, this'll eventually be just a minor financial loss. To the German guy, this might mean the end of his whole business if they decide to sue him. "

I wonder if his plan is based on the assumption Disney would rather just pay him for the copyright than get into a protracted legal battle. It would be a decent payday for him and a simpler and cheaper solution for Disney

On the bright side, at least it isn’t a military vehicle and/or cancelled.

Honestly though, Lucasfilm surely has the ship trademarked (99% likely at least). This other company shouldn’t have it.

It's high time to move to New Zealand, I guess

Well considering LEGO just charged my credit card for an amount equivalent to this set’s list price, I’m guessing it’ll be in my hands soon enough and I can take a picture of whatever it’s called.

Good. Hope and cross my fingers so that mine appears in warehouse soon too. I don't know if it is a PayPal payment issue or because of the name legal issue. I just hope that it will be shipped on September 1st as scheduled for 6 months now.

This is a fun incident, given how actively LEGO tries to keep compatible brands out of the European market. And German law is especially LEGO-friendly. This is is kind of a strike back by the underdogs XD

I hope they don’t cancel the pre-orders, I was looking forward to getting this before heading back to college

I got one today and my box description was still "The Razor crest"

@Brainslugged:
I actually saw a really great quote from her recently, about how they just needed to step back and really take the time to digest what exactly it is that George Lucas has created. How many years does she have left before retirement?

@Wavelength:
They're going to be open to copyright lawsuits for using the design of the ship.

@bananaworld:
Lepin doesn't officially exist anymore, right? I believe they got obliterated due to copyright infringement. However, a brand new, totally unrelated company with a coincidentally similar name popped up immediately afterwards.

The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport. What a long name. People are probably still going to refer to it as the Razor Crest no matter what.

I thought the withdrawal was due to an armour replacement on the Mandalorian. Although it is only his second minifigure appearance, Beskar armour is overdue.

@Ayliffe said:
""This may have implications if you've pre-ordered it because Brick_t_in France has noticed that his order status is now 'contact customer services'."

Nope! That contact CS message is usually due to a payment issue and isn't 'cos of the name change, preorders are all set to go ahead as normal (source: I'm from CS!)."

Cool. Hope I can cope then with PayPal payment expiry issue next Monday and see my set in warehouse too. Thanks for your help.

Just checked on my pre-order, and it's still listed as "In Warehouse", however the name has been replaced by the URL on the order

Mine is “in warehouse” hopefully I’ll get the razor crest version... if I get it at all

However this turns out in the end, I personally find this very funny.
Perhaps that guy was trying to get back at TLG for their "war" on all kinds of minifig-like figures, even if they are totally different in look and function to the LEGO original.
Lots of bad blood because of that over here. So maybe that's one reason.

Anyway, Modbrix are well known for
a) not the highest quality and
b) blatant copyright infringement (or rather, "clever" ways around copyrights).
They are not as bad as Lepin et al in that regard, but they do seem to use every loophole imaginable. At least you could call them inventive in that respect.

That being said, I have never bought any of their sets and have no intention of changing that. When it comes to alternatives I rather stick to the legal ones like Cobi, CaDa, BlueBrixx, MegaConstrux or Qman/Enlighten.

One wonders if either LEGO had released this way back in advance of the series this may not have been a problem. Can't tell if that's Disney not allowing enough early access or LEGO being behind the ball. The lack of Mandalorian merch in general tells me it was likely Disney who didn't anticipate the demand.

I remember in advance of the series I kept looking for a set to be announced like this. When it finally was announced, I was thinking "why so far out"?

Wait...
What?

@ambr said:
"As well as stealing the name, the Modbrix Razor Crest is an exact copy of a 1423 piece design by YCBricks on rebrickable, where from the comments he/she were unaware that this had happened. Part of the problem is Lego/Disney have taken too long to launch these toys allowing 3rd parties to fill the void. Amazon.co.uk show the same box with the Razor Crest name now missing."

WOW! Now THAT'S a really bold move. This German guy must be plugged in with a large country in Asia which shall go unnnamed...LOL

I wonder if this is why the night buzzard is called the knights of Ren transport ship

I’m hoping my box DOESN’T have ‘The Razor Crest’ on it seeing as the ship is a Razor Crest, not THE Razor Crest ;-)

I’m checking my preorder now to make sure it’ll still ship September 1st

And LEGO fumbles the ball again...

@Snazzy_Bricks said:
" @Unikittius said:
@Brick_387 said:
"The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport. What a long name."

Ever heard of 7018 Viking Ship Challenges the Midgard Serpent?

Ah yes. I also remember 76898 Formula E Panasonic Jaguar Racing GEN2 Car & Jaguar I-PACE eTROPHY"

Ok... Now that I think about it, it isn't really that long of a name. Especially compared to set names like 65118-1 Alpha Team Secret Mission Collector's Pack and set 3449-1 1x4x6 Black Door and Frames with Transparent Blue Panes. And need I even talk about all of the horrendously long Fabuland set names!

lol

For once, I can't put any blame on LEGO this time. They had nothing to do with this.

First of all, Disney/Lucasfilm should've trademarked "Razor Crest" globally a long time before the first episode aired anywhere. I thought doing things that way was the norm, but uh, guess not.

Secondly, Modbrix should've realized messing with Disney is like poking a hornet's nest with a stick--it will not end well for them. Especially when they knew danged well what they were doing was wrong. And, perhaps it might open them up to even more lawsuits from other IPs they have ripped off. It doesn't take a lawyer to know their use of that stuff is NOT fair use.

@Brick_387 said:
"The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport. What a long name. People are probably still going to refer to it as the Razor Crest no matter what."
Someone should produce stickers saying ‘Razor Crest’ that you can put over the new name on the box and instructions. Might be the only time most AFOLs were actually happy to put stickers on a LEGO product!

{Obi-Wan voice} My the *farce* be with you, always... {End Obi-Wan voice}

Ughh! Trademark, trademark, trademarked! Silly, silly, silly!
Yeah, I get copyrights, intellectual property, and all that, but this is still all so stupid.
The ship is still called the: Razor Crest, but now it cannot be on the box-art. All of this is ridiculous.
However, now that we are talking about this set, why the hell did TLG not put an updated Mando minifig in this set with the correct Beskar armour suit!?!?!

@hold0511 said:
"My pre-order was back on 20th Feb with UK Lego, I had an email from Lego yesterday asking me to contact customer services and my online status changed to 'contact customer services'. On ringing (40 minute wait) they claimed the issue was due to Paypal's pre-authorisation having expired. However it seems on re-trying it over the phone it worked fine and they in fact did not even need to have spoken to me (they did not say that on the phone but in the confirmation email). However I noticed the name of the order has changed to this |{"DEFAULT": "The Mandalorian™ Bounty Hunter Transport", "AU": "The Razor Crest", "NZ": "The Razor Crest"}|. Seems its related to the above in fact...the order status is now 'In Warehouse'.
"

Same for me order is now in warehouse

i would tell Lego to just release it (with Razor Crest, on it)and let the chips fall where they may (in this case Lego would have a good case). i hate people who do this.

Just. Plain. Stupid.

@Snazzy_Bricks:
What's wrong with flying sharks? They're one of the highlights of Shark Week! As for the rest, I've no idea what you're referring to with "meth gators", and the Sahara is kinda prone to dust clouds, being a desert and all.

My order (in the US) is now titled "|{"DEFAULT": "The Mandalorian™ Bounty Hunter Transport", "AU": "The Razor Crest", "NZ": "The Razor Crest”}|”
And its status is “In Warehouse”.

Remember when the Bulls Threepeat and then it was rumored that Pat Riley had copyrighted the term Threepeat so it couldn’t appear on t-shirts. Well the Bulls sure showed Pat Riley, not only did they consistently beat the Knicks, but they would up with a Virtual Eightpeat!

I have the feeling that Lego and Disney are going to come out on top in this one. After all, Mando is the Michael Jordan of bounty hunting!

People telling Disney is too rich and too powerful and will not be defeated - don’t y’all think it is a bit scary?

Btw that whole modbrix looks like an aliexpress reseller to me.

The mess-up is actually bigger than many people here seem to think, given that Lucasfilm even only filed the US trademark in July a few days before attempting to register the German one. This considerably weakens their case. And in contrast to what some people said, it's not even certain Disney is in the right here. After all, this will have to be litigated before a German/ EU court. Proving malicious intent won't be at all easy, given that any rendition of a model from a series could be seen as an artistic interpretation and with no prior trademark existing, it can even be called whatever they want, including its scenic name in the series...

I have to agree with @AustinPowers. As long as LEGO are treating the German market so poorly and show little consideration for the wants and needs of certain demographics this is bound to happen again at some point in the future. Others will simply fill the voids LEGO leaves, including filing their own trademark registrations or designing similalrly-themed sets. The potential for conflict will increase, no matter what...

Currently the US LEGO.com page has it titled The Razor Crest (not a 404 error...I used the link in the article).

Though, like others mention, on my order status (which is "In Warehouse") show the title as:

|{"DEFAULT": "The Mandalorian™ Bounty Hunter Transport", "AU": "The Razor Crest", "NZ": "The Razor Crest"}|

@PurpleDave said:
" @Snazzy_Bricks :
What's wrong with flying sharks? They're one of the highlights of Shark Week! As for the rest, I've no idea what you're referring to with "meth gators", and the Sahara is kinda prone to dust clouds, being a desert and all."
Same here. Have never heard of "meth gators", and Saharan dust clouds are an annual event over here, sometimes even several times a year. Nothing special.

It would be one thing to be holding the Razor Crest trademark to an existing men's wear or beer brand or something, but to have trademarked the name to sell an unlicensed version of the actual ship seems asking for trouble...

@Snazzy_Bricks said:
" @TheBigLegoski said:
"Ughh! Trademark, trademark, trademarked! Silly, silly, silly!
Yeah, I get copyrights, intellectual property, and all that, but this is still all so stupid.
The ship is still called the: Razor Crest, but now it cannot be on the box-art. All of this is ridiculous.
However, now that we are talking about this set, why the hell did TLG not put an updated Mando minifig in this set with the correct Beskar armour suit!?!?!"

Probably because they're waiting for some $200 exclusive garbage to throw the Beskar suit in

"

Cheeky monkeys!!!

Good question!
"why do certain German members feel that LEGO has treated the German market poorly this year?"
Compared to the Netherlands German Lego retail prices are better, in fact they are cheaper than most if not all other European countries. Though, I assume current Lego prices are too inflated (become too expensive) according to certain German BS members. I am inclined to agree with this observation / sentiment.

@CapnRex101 said:
"LEGO stores are still expecting to release this set on Tuesday, from what I have heard.

I might regret asking this question but why do certain German members feel that LEGO has treated the German market poorly this year?"

It's not so much this year in particular but an ongoing trend ever since TLG shifted its focus away from the European market in general and the German one in particular. We used to be the largest market for LEGO and the product lineup represented that.
There are very strong feelings about what TLG appears to have lost in terms of appeal due to unattractive product lines or the "bastardization" of product lines that used to be great but are now Meh at best.
Examples:
City, which is a laugh and a shadow of what it used to be.

Technic, which doesn't even deserve the name anymore and has strayed so far from what it was about in the first place that it's more than frustrating.

Trains, which is hardly existant anymore and even what is available is nothing worth writing home about. It's telling that the best train set of the new Millennium (the current Crocodile locomotive) isn't even part of the Train theme but a singular 18+ collectors set.

Space, which translates to only Star Wars nowadays, and while there have been great SW sets over the years, by now the lineup feels stale, often highly repetitive, overpriced and rife for at least partial retirement or a hiatus.
Why not do a Harry Potter, which after the reboot was better than ever and highly attractive, both in terms of set quality and price point. There's some truth in the saying "absence makes the heart grow fonder."

And don't get me started about Castle, Pirates or Western.

Now you can rightly say that probably internationally all the things mentioned above do not matter because stuff like all the IP themes in TLG's lineup sell like hotcakes (do they? Over here they appear to be mainly shelf-warmers), but when I look at our toy stores here and what sells and what doesn't, I see a very different picture. And judging by the success of Cobi, CaDa and BlueBrixx, and comparing their product lineups with those from TLG, one can see what sells over here and what many feel is sadly missing from LEGO.

@TheBigLegoski : prices are just one part. The LEGO pricing structure is incoherent anyway (and has been even in the "good old days" if one is honest). Some sets are great value, others are so laughably overpriced that one wonders whether TLG has lost it completely. Overall LEGO sets have never been "cheap", but currently the price increases on the whole feel exaggerated, especially compared with the drop in quality that has been apparent in the past few years.

The notable exception are all the exclusive sets like Ideas, UCS sets, Modulars or basically any set of 2K+ pieces. Problem is, the general public doesn't know about these sets as none of them are in the consumer catalog and they are only sold at LEGO stores (or for more than RRP on the secondary-market) now that the former "premium partners" like ToysRUs and Kaufhof have gone bankrupt.

111 comments !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the US, pre order in warehouse and credit card charged - don’t think it’ll be delayed

Page is back up in the US, still proudly titled Razor Crest, still says releasing September 1st.

@mr_skinny said:
"I’m hoping my box DOESN’T have ‘The Razor Crest’ on it seeing as the ship is a Razor Crest, not THE Razor Crest ;-)"

So I guess you don’t like sets named “X-Wing” or “Y-Wing”? Edit: nevermind. Your beef is with the word “The”. Duh.

On the whole trademark issue: it’s worth noting that at least in the US, there is absolutely no requirement whatsoever for a mark to be registered in order to have legal protection. For US purposes, the moment the ship’s name was said and its likeness was shown on screen, the mark and design were Lucasfilm/Disney’s to control. Honestly, the USPTO likely would have rejected any attempted registration from a different company if it wasn’t clearly a different context or if the other company couldn’t show they had been using the mark before Disney.

There are real problems with any registration-only trademark system.

Still called Razor Crest in dutch, but Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport when on english version of the NL site, weird.

Not a very consistent change.

@madforLEGO:
Lucasfilm. Lucasarts was their video game division, which Disney has reduced to a licensing office.

@Mylenium:
It would still be a copyright issue to sell something based on an artistic work. The Razor Crest design qualifies, and Disney can still sue him back to the stone age over that.

@bananaworld:
The Kathleen Kennedy who rejected his treatments on a sequel trilogy and shoved him to the side? Yeah, I'm sure he's all thumbs-up for her leadership of the company he founded.

And, see, the sad thing is that other parts of the Disney empire _are_ capable of producing _WELL-WRITTEN_ strong female leads. Just look at their animation. Rey is the very definition of a Mary Sue, Darth Petulance is just an emo twit, and the sequel trilogy just basically treated the classic characters like dirt. Rogue One didn't seem terrible, until the point the droid got shot and I instantly started mentally checking off all the protagonists as they died. I even called that the one guy who fell out of sight wasn't actually dead, but that he'd come back to save the day, and _then_ die. I haven't watched The Mandalorian, but right now Rebels is actually the best post-Disney work I've seen. Solo just happens to be the only halfway decent feature film they've managed to produce. It's still not great, but at least it doesn't suck.

But what I _do_ resent is having someone beat me over the head with their "wokeness", and branding me sexist or racist if I don't agree that they created the best thing since sliced bread. I actually really liked the latest Terminator movie _except_ for the two scenes where they whinged about how the women always save the men so the men can go on to be the heroes. Not only was it a pretty out-of-character display of fan-service, but it blew the ending of the movie.

@CapnRex101:
If you've read even a handful of random posts by AustinPowers, you should realize by now that it's basically down to the fact that Germany is no longer the top LEGO market in the world. It started in 1999 when the debut of the Star Wars theme catapulted the US into the top spot, but with China becoming the second largest world economy after the US, and German customers shifting to other toy brands, it seems likely that Germany's importance to the future of the company is over.

@CCC:
The goal was to actually move product. Coming up with a completely original ship to call the Razor Crest might have allowed them to shrug off Disney's attempts to strong-arm it away from them, but ripping off Disney's design is the only way they'd attract customers.

@CCC said:
"It would have been more sensible to design a completely non-copied non-Star Wars related spaceship from bricks and called that the Razor Crest, maybe with other ships in the fleet called Razor Something Else. That way, they'd have a legitimate claim to calling a brick built space ship the Razer Crest, and would not have ripped off any Disney / Star Wars design."

Ah, but they weren't interested in a legitimate claim to the name or anything like that.

Ripping off the Star Wars design (as well as someone's particular MOC of it) and profiting off that was exactly the intention.

@KyloRen0806 said:
"The Razor Crest is a product of Lucasfilm, how can anyone just trademark it? Am I missing something?"

There is trademark and there is copyright. Lego can't do anything about either of them, so they are wise in backing out immediately. Disney may not be able to do anything about Razor Crest the name, it depends if it was used in the German language version of the film. The fact that the model looks just like the ship in the movie is a copyright issue. Disney will likely sue for this. If Disney used Razor Crest as a name in Germany before, it is possible for them to invalidate the trademark; it will depend. The copyright infringement case can be used as leverage and the German toy company may just voluntarily withdraw the trademark and recall the toys to avoid the massive iron legal fist of Mickey the Apocalypse Mouse.

Disney sometimes doesn't get the trademark to a name. The movie Moana in the U.S. is called Vaiana in Europe because of an existing trademark to the name Moana over there.

@7StarMantis said:
"Disney sometimes doesn't get the trademark to a name. The movie Moana in the U.S. is called Vaiana in Europe because of an existing trademark to the name Moana over there."
Ask most people in the UK, Republic of Ireland, Channel Islands or Gilbraltar if they have heard of the Disney film ‘Vaiana’ and they will have no clue what you are talking about. In at least those parts of Europe and possibly others, the movie known in the US as ‘Moana’ is known as... ‘Moana’.

@7StarMantis said:
"Disney sometimes doesn't get the trademark to a name. The movie Moana in the U.S. is called Vaiana in Europe because of an existing trademark to the name Moana over there."
Similar situation with Zootopia, which had to be renamed in several countries. It's called Zoomania in Germany for example, or Zootropolis in Russia as well as most other European countries.

So, as required I have contacted CS, and can confirm that the issue was with PayPal pre-order payment cancellation and not with the naming of the set. Order now in process and, as always with people at lego CS, very gentle, kind and helpful person. Great service, thank you to all of them. The shipment shall not be delayed.

Dang LEGO has a rough 2020 too. This year never seizes to disappoint and annoy.

I hope in the 125 comments, there is an explonation, how someone can tradmark something which is already trademarked by Disney.

Modbrix would have to be really stupid to do this. They sell stolen MOCs (including one of mine, that they couldn't even assemble properly themselves & looks dumb on their boxes) in themes they don't license, and they do this on Amazon - they would have to be dumb to attract attention on themselves.

The web page is back up in the US and still called "The Razor Crest"

@Yooha said:
"I hope in the 125 comments, there is an explonation, how someone can tradmark something which is already trademarked by Disney."

The issue was that Disney forgot to trademark it overseas, and Modbrix was able to register a trademark to a name already held by a property they didn't own; knowing Disney would likely trademark it at the time The Mandalorian launched with Disney Plus in Europe.

@deikoon:
As much as it pains me, I have to agree with AustinPowers on at least part of this. If you're regularly getting hefty discounts, that's _not_ a good sign. That means product is collecting dust and warming shelves, and they're just trying to generate interest. People in the US used to complain that not being able to buy cartloads on massive clearance was a huge problem, but it's really a sign of a healthy market. When TLM came out, you could barely find anything sporting that familiar logo, and even after the local LEGO Store spread out all their remaining product so the boxes were only one deep, they still had more bare shelf than occupied on December 26th because people were _buying_ the stuff at MSRP. If it's getting heavily discounted, and especially if it's getting heavily clearanced, that's all the retailers are going to pay attention to, and it's going to affect their future ordering patterns.

But, as a company, they're still doing quite well in spite of the German market having turned sour. The US overtook Germany on the strength of Star Wars alone, and since them much of their lineup has catered to American tastes. Demand caught on fire with the release of TLM, though it has settled down a bit in subsequent years. 20 years ago there was no Chinese market, and now they've got a theme that was designed to cater specifically to their tastes.

@AustinPowers:
They've been avoiding inflation for over four decades. It had to catch up to them eventually.

@7StarMantis:
From what I heard, they used a different name in parts of Europe because there's an adult entertainer whose stage name is either identical, or uncomfortably close to, the name they picked for their G-rated animated character. Whether or not they could have landed a trademark there, I'm sure they had no desire to do so once they found that out.

PPP is such a meaningless way to value a set. The reason it has averaged near ten cents per piece for years is because there are more and more tiny pieces- single studs, cheese slopes, etc., in the newest sets. I'd be happy to trade 1x1 round plates for, say, minifigures- I'll give you ten to one!

PPP is such a meaningless way to value a set. The reason it has averaged near ten cents per piece for years is because there are more and more tiny pieces- single studs, cheese slopes, etc., in the newest sets. I'd be happy to trade 1x1 round plates for, say, minifigures- I'll give you ten to one!

@560heliport:
That's not really as significant a factor as you'd think. Creator bulk sets are constantly running well below the going rate, with $0.05/pc not being uncommon, and they're generally packed full of chunky parts like 2x4 bricks with very few tiny detail parts like cheese wedges. They streamlined their production. They cut out a ton of waste, they automated a lot of the process, and they moved a lot of their production to lower cost markets like Mexico, the Czech Republic, and Hungary. They had even considered shifting production to China years ago, but in the end they determined that any labor savings they would have gained would have been offset by increased transportation costs.

The labor to produce a 2x4 brick is comparable to what's needed to produce a cheese wedge. The amount of money saved on plastic for one part is negligible. The company may see huge savings for shifting to tiny parts, but the amount of money that's saved on a single set isn't going to be enough to affect the MSRP, unless you're talking shaving maybe five bucks off the second UCS Millennium Falcon.

My ‘The Razor Crest’ has just been delivered in the UK and the box reads ‘The Razor Crest‘

My Razor Crest, I just received, still says The Razor CrestTM on the box, and I am in The Netherlands. Just saying.

Just received my pre order from lego this morning and it also has razor crest on the box ??, but the packing slip had the revised wording

Mind also arrived today in the UK and says Razor Crest

@StooferUK said:
"Just received my pre order from lego this morning and it also has razor crest on the box ??, but the packing slip had the revised wording "

Same as me. My set had just arrived in the post and has The Razor Crest on the box and The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport on the packing list.

@PurpleDave said:
" @560heliport:
That's not really as significant a factor as you'd think. Creator bulk sets are constantly running well below the going rate, with $0.05/pc not being uncommon, and they're generally packed full of chunky parts like 2x4 bricks with very few tiny detail parts like cheese wedges. They streamlined their production. They cut out a ton of waste, they automated a lot of the process, and they moved a lot of their production to lower cost markets like Mexico, the Czech Republic, and Hungary. They had even considered shifting production to China years ago, but in the end they determined that any labor savings they would have gained would have been offset by increased transportation costs.

The labor to produce a 2x4 brick is comparable to what's needed to produce a cheese wedge. The amount of money saved on plastic for one part is negligible. The company may see huge savings for shifting to tiny parts, but the amount of money that's saved on a single set isn't going to be enough to affect the MSRP, unless you're talking shaving maybe five bucks off the second UCS Millennium Falcon."

I assume you mean Classic bulk sets, not Creator. Either way, I'm not sure what you're seeing- these are mostly small pieces. I stand by my statement that PPP is a poor way to judge the value of a set.

@955561976 said:
" @StooferUK said:
"Just received my pre order from lego this morning and it also has razor crest on the box ??, but the packing slip had the revised wording "

Same as me. My set had just arrived in the post and has The Razor Crest on the box and The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport on the packing list."

Found it in store today in London, Stratford and had Razor Crest on the box too. Good news! At this rate the Transport rename box may end up being rarer,!

@955561976 said:
" @StooferUK said:
"Just received my pre order from lego this morning and it also has razor crest on the box ??, but the packing slip had the revised wording "

Same as me. My set had just arrived in the post and has The Razor Crest on the box and The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport on the packing list."

Me too.
My pre order just arrived (2nd Sept) and it says Razor Crest

@7StarMantis said:
" @KyloRen0806 said:
"The Razor Crest is a product of Lucasfilm, how can anyone just trademark it? Am I missing something?"

There is trademark and there is copyright. Lego can't do anything about either of them, so they are wise in backing out immediately. Disney may not be able to do anything about Razor Crest the name, it depends if it was used in the German language version of the film. The fact that the model looks just like the ship in the movie is a copyright issue. Disney will likely sue for this. If Disney used Razor Crest as a name in Germany before, it is possible for them to invalidate the trademark; it will depend. The copyright infringement case can be used as leverage and the German toy company may just voluntarily withdraw the trademark and recall the toys to avoid the massive iron legal fist of Mickey the Apocalypse Mouse.

Disney sometimes doesn't get the trademark to a name. The movie Moana in the U.S. is called Vaiana in Europe because of an existing trademark to the name Moana over there."

The ship is created by Lucasfilm so I do not understand how any other can just trademark it. That should be illegal.

And regarding why Moana changed to Vaiana in Europe is a bit different, it was not about trademarks or copyrights, that was because of something in Italy which Disney wouldn’t let kids want to see if they googled the name. Why the name is “Oceania” in Italy then, that you might not ask my about.

@560heliport:
Hmm? Ah, yeah, I always kinda figured they were the same thing. I don't really buy the bulk stuff.

Anyways, themed sets have had their PPP rise over the last decade, even though the average size of the parts is probably getting smaller. Classic, on the other hand, still offers sets that are much lower than $0.10/pc. Looking through the current stuff, excluding baseplates and the brick separator (and the two $5 sets because they're so small), the worst PPP is 11008-1, at $0.074/pc. But on the other end, there's 11005-1, which is a mere $0.044/pc. These sets favor larger parts than themed sets, so it's not the cost of plastic that's driving the PPP up. It's everything that's not pressed into molds that's slowly starting to drive prices up for the first (legitimate) time in over four decades.

Two things... First, trademarks are a complicated topic. I know. I deal with them (indirectly) for work. Common sense is not something I naturally associate with trademarks globally.

Second, my Razor Crest showed up today... and it is an unaltered box that still has "Razor Crest™" on it. It might not be "rare", but it still makes me happy...

https://imgur.com/a/KsyZT6t

Does anyone have a picture of the new box that says "The Mandalorian Bounty Hunter Transport"? I just received two boxes that still say "The Razor Crest" on them and Lego.com has it listed as "The Razor Crest" on the site now. Did the dispute get resolved or something?

@MyBrickLot:
They may have just changed the name on the website is a precautionary measure while they waited for the fallout to settle down. If Disney didn't own the trademark in Europe, they couldn't legally license out merchandising rights under that name in Europe. Since the US has been getting supplementary sets from European production to make up for reduced production in Mexico, they would be affected by the change. But getting new boxes ordered, printed, delivered, and transfering all the contents over from the old boxes to the new would take a ridiculous amount of time. There's no way they'd be able to ship them that fast, and indeed the most likely outcome would be that they'd just slap stickers on every sealed box. That's a lot faster and less expensive.

My pre order showed up today and it says razor crest on the box. My guess is the issue has been resolved. Hell hath no fury like that of the Disney legal team!

Would it be considered a rare collectible if we have the original "The Razor Crest" box???

@Dpenn321:
Not unless people start reporting boxes that say something else. So far, nobody has, which suggests they neither printed updated boxes, nor stickered over existing ones. That may yet change, but until/unless it does, the lack of a variation means there's no rare or valuable variation.