As someone who has neither I appreciate this move by LEGO. Two great sets being released again is a marvellous thing and something I'm all in for.

My brother, a massive NASA fan, is quite happy about this. I kept telling him to buy one and he didn’t believe me when I said it was retiring!

"as they had already left the market, we could not keep the original numbers.”
Why not? You’re the company that owns all the sets. You can do whatever you want with the numbers. Am I missing something?

I think I read somewhere once (but this being the Internet, I can neither remember when nor where) that the Saturn V is the best-selling Ideas set ever. If it's still selling well, that's great! Who knows but maybe it'll match the longevity of Tower Bridge or even the VW Microbus. Methinks it should be available at least until the Apollo 11 Lunar Lander is retired, since they very much go together.

I hugely enjoyed the Ideas Saturn V, and I'm really glad that other folk will get a chance to build it. I wonder how this bodes for re-releasing other sets that have gone. I'd love to get a Mars Curiosity Rover for a rational sum.

If LEGO wants to re-issue a space themed set that would sell so well it would struggle to keep up with demand, it should try 928 (https://brickset.com/sets/928-1/Space-Cruiser-And-Moonbase). Not that Saturn V isn’t a great space set as well. Just sayin’

@greenleaf547 said:
""as they had already left the market, we could not keep the original numbers.”
Why not? You’re the company that owns all the sets. You can do whatever you want with the numbers. Am I missing something?"

I would guess there are complex logistical processes bound to a set number, which have been closed down, and can not be restarted.

@greenleaf547 said:
""as they had already left the market, we could not keep the original numbers.”
Why not? You’re the company that owns all the sets. You can do whatever you want with the numbers. Am I missing something?"

So they can profit from the AFOL completionists who’ll inevitability buy copies of the re-releases!

Glad it's being rereleased. Maybe I'll get it in a few years, after I cross the Mos Eisley Cantina, Betrayal on Cloud City, the UCS Y-wing and the UCS Millennium Falcon off my list :)

What kind of agreement is made between the designers and Lego? Compensation?

I was hoping it was going to be the Old Fishing Store. I missed out on that one and have been regretting it ever since!

Imperial Flagship set 10210. Call it whatever number you like it. But pls re-release it.
Imperial Flagship 12345678901002000300004000056733321. it's ok.
You'd prefer Imperial Flagship %$%%&/!. it's ok
Imp3rial Fl4gshipppppppp. It's ooooook

But please re-release it!

@Cor407 said:
"What kind of agreement is made between the designers and Lego? Compensation?"

https://ideas.lego.com/guidelines

The Saturn V had an overwhelmingly popular run, so the "back by popular demand" encore follows suit. It's also smart of Lego to extend its run in the midst of their push for new adult fans.

There goes the value of those sets. Thanks Lego!

Super excited for this. I already have the Saturn V, but never had a chance to pick up a second to turn into Skylab. The rocket park begins!

Saw this a few hours ago on another news website - I'm absolutely shocked and delighted at this awesome move by LEGO! It gives me another chance to potentially save up for these beautiful sets (I had missed out on both of them). HOPEFULLY TLG does this with more awesome retired sets too :)

Things are heating up in the set numbers fanbase.

@TLG if you can re-release the old fishing store too please and thanks

Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors.

Cool--do it with Galaxy Explorer and Emerald Night now!

@Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

Couldn’t disagree more. Artificially limiting supply is a false value. (See: Beanie Babies). TLG and seconday markets ultimately make more money by selling more sets. Tough luck to speculators/gougers.

Not the biggest fan of re-releases, some are understandable but these are strange as they were very recently retired. I think Lego is opening a Pandora’s box for re-release requests. That being said, my request is re-release every set from 1986... K Thanks!

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

Bit of a blow to collectors/investors if this means that now all bets are off i.e. any set could come back at any point.

Not sure I like this disruption to the normal order of things.

Ha ha, this will make some eBay seller very angry.

@aamartin0000 said:
" @Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

Couldn’t disagree more. Artificially limiting supply is a false value. (See: Beanie Babies). TLG and seconday markets ultimately make more money by selling more sets. Tough luck to speculators/gougers."

No.
The set was retired to soon - mistake of Lego.
Re-release after a few months - Big mistake.

Excellent news! I’m glad that more people get to enjoy these sets, particularly the Saturn V, my vote for best set ever.

And screw the collectors. Let these sets be enjoyed by NORMAL PEOPLE, not price gouging speculators.

@Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

You mean resellers/scalpers, not collectors. The only blow is to resellers since they are the only people at a disadvantage from this move. Also, how does "uniqueness" give LEGO value? This "uniqueness" value is practically a delusion and has no effect on its value. A flawed and incorrect perspective of LEGO.

Anyways, I think this is a great move by LEGO. The Saturn V has always sold exceptionally well and with the growing interest in space exploration, this rerelease could bring in even more newcomers. Can't say the same about the Ship in the Bottle. In my area at least, it was a shelf-warmer until it went on sale during Black Friday and when it was about to retire. If this does well, I wonder if it'll encourage LEGO to rerelease more popular sets from the past.

Resellers in shambles. Hate to see it...

Am I the only one? I prefer the Lego group to put the energy on releasing an additional two new ideas set, not repeat the retired sets.

@bricksboy You are not alone.

@kkoster79 said:
"There goes the value of those sets. Thanks Lego!"

Every investment contains an element of risk - LEGO is no different. I'm sure there are enough people who *need* the original set enough to pay a premium for it - it just may take longer for the price to bounce back.

Too bad scalpers/resellers - suck it.

Saturn V is understandable as it’s a very popular set. Ship in a Bottle is surprising to me. Has there ever been any indication out there of which Ideas sets have sold the most?

@Zander said:
"If LEGO wants to re-issue a space themed set that would sell so well it would struggle to keep up with demand, it should try 928 (https://brickset.com/sets/928-1/Space-Cruiser-And-Moonbase). Not that Saturn V isn’t a great space set as well. Just sayin’"

No it wouldn't. For most people that set says absolutely nothing, while the Saturn V is an icon. Some AFOL's in their 40's with nostalgia goggles would snap it up, the rest of the people don't even know what it is, besides that it's a blocky and outdated design.

Agree with many of you--the Saturn V is the only set I've ever bought two of, one to intentionally keep MISB as an investment. But I have zero problem with a re-release. I took the risk, assuming Lego would to their usual thing discontinuing it after a few years. I'll just have to wait longer for a return on the investment. Meanwhile, the Saturn V is a fantastic set and deserves to be in as many hands as it can be. Lego is a toy, I would never begrudge anyone an opportunity to build that set!

I'm a little more surprised by the Ship in a Bottle. That's also a great set, but I was under the impression it didn't sell as well as they'd hoped and that's why it was on such deep discount last black friday (in fact that discount is the only reason I own it--I liked it, but not enough to purchase at full price).

Lego please re-release the following sets
21310 Old fishing store
10210 Imperial flagship
10194 Emerald Night Train

This makes me grumpy. After missing out originally, I finally purchased a Saturn V from Bricklink about 4 weeks ago, paying more than the original price. Now I learn they are releasing it again, I'm assuming at or near the original price. Grrrr.

And for an extra kick in the guts, with all the worldwide shipping delays at the moment I still haven't received the set, and may not before 1st Nov. Grrrrr

^ If it makes you feel any better, all the regrets will go away when you have it in hand!

This will piss off resellers and scalpers to no end. EXCELLENT!

May this - alongside the re-release of the Architecture Burj Khalifa - be the beginning of LEGO returning to shelves products that were retired way too soon just to meet some silly schedule instead of only when demand is so weak it outweighs the costs.

Excellent news for two excellent sets, though it would of course be preferable to see this happen for earlier ideas sets, which were mired with supply issues and go for absolutely exorbitant prices these days.

To me, scalpers are a cancer on the community, and I certainly do not weep for their perceived loss here.

For all of ya’ll who haven’t built the Saturn V, I highly recommend it!

@Damian9898 , I don’t think you really have a great understanding of things. Lego likely has a certain quantity of a set they will produce, and that is it. Because these were Ideas, I would bet their production numbers were less than many other sets since these aren’t as mainstream and are a little more niche. They set it for a certain production and sale schedule. Once production is done, they move on to other sets. Some sets are around longer than others. But I don’t believe it was a mistake when they retired it. Demand was just higher than they thought.

Likewise, reissuing these is not a mistake. How you think that, I don’t know. Maybe resellers and scalpers won’t benefit, but that’s of no consequence to Lego.

I apologize if this offends anyone, but I don’t understand the hatred of people who resell a set, years after retirement, that was widely publicly available. I get it if there is a situation where someone hoards large quantities of a set that had limited availability and the resellers corner the market to the detriment of regular buyers, but that is not the case with Saturn V. After an initial rocky start, it was widely available for years.

If someone bought extra copies and then makes them available on eBay or Bricklink, they cannot force anyone else to buy them. The people who end up buying these resales are most often really just happy to be able to acquire them, otherwise they wouldn’t pay the inflated price. As has been pointed out by others, these resellers take on risk when they do this. Sometimes they win and other times they don’t. Regardless, there is no reason to call them names. At least, I don’t think so.

I was really hoping the second was the Old Fishing Store but I'm probably out of luck on that one. Both are great sets though.

In my opinion, Saturn V is overrated and so is Emerald Night. I wasn't alive in the 80's but I would love to get some re-released/redesigned Classic Space. If they had to re-release something, there were many stronger options to choose from.

I think it’s great that, these sets have come back, but it does make me wonder if there will be any shelf space left in `Lego stores for sets aimed at children.

I suspect there is a little more to this than just Lego wanting to give fans another chance to buy these, Perhaps the lockdowns and working from home has resulted in delays in new set development and release and this is a simple way of filling the gap, until new sets are ready for market.

@Schmopiesdad said:
"I apologize if this offends anyone, but I don’t understand the hatred of people who resell a set, years after retirement, that was widely publicly available. I get it if there is a situation where someone hoards large quantities of a set that had limited availability and the resellers corner the market to the detriment of regular buyers, but that is not the case with Saturn V. After an initial rocky start, it was widely available for years.

If someone bought extra copies and then makes them available on eBay or Bricklink, they cannot force anyone else to buy them. The people who end up buying these resales are most often really just happy to be able to acquire them, otherwise they wouldn’t pay the inflated price. As has been pointed out by others, these resellers take on risk when they do this. Sometimes they win and other times they don’t. Regardless, there is no reason to call them names. At least, I don’t think so.
"

This. Hoarders are a problem. But resellers? I don't see it. I came out of my dark ages about 7 years ago but for the folowing 5 years, I only bought LEGO for the kids. It took a while for me to accept my own addiction, haha. Anyway, I mised out on some great sets that I'm now super happy to own because I could get them from resellers.

EDIT to add that I think this is a brilliant idea from LEGO because as much as I don't hate resellers, I'd rather buy from LEGO.

Great! Now put out Ninjago City, the Docks, Winter Village Everything...I've got a list.

Excellent re-releases, for those who missed them.
Now Green Grocer, Cafe Corner, Town Hall and Emerald Night please!

(I do wish they'd stop re-releasing GWPs though... I can really do without a 5th Hot Rod!)

@magmafrost said:
"Excellent news for two excellent sets, though it would of course be preferable to see this happen for earlier ideas sets, which were mired with supply issues and go for absolutely exorbitant prices these days.

To me, scalpers are a cancer on the community, and I certainly do not weep for their perceived loss here."

It’s important to distinguish between the ‘scalpers’ who buy up unrealistic quantities of a set just to resell it when it quickly goes out of stock — and investors who purchase regular sets to resell them on the second market after the set retires. The latter group is actually providing an essential service to the Lego community, as there would be no way to buy old sets if they hadn’t invested in them during the set’s shelf life. And they mostly buy sets on clearance near the end of a set’s life, so they aren’t contributing to the supply shortages.

This is absolutely fantastic news. I wonder if these sets will be changed or identical to the originals. Either way I may pick up Saturn V, whether it’s the new one in stores or a heavily discounted original on Bricklink or eBay. I just picked up the 2008 Death Star for $285, I certainly wouldn’t mind a similar discount on a used Saturn V.

While I could certainly see some people being angry if they just overpaid for these sets on the secondary market, unfortunately that is a risk that you take when you overpay for a set. I overpaid for a few LOTR sets as they came out during my dark ages, but should they one day be rereleased I wouldn’t be upset as I got them at a time when they were hard to get and I paid a price that I thought was fair for them.

As for buying Lego as an investment, I think it is a very foolish idea. As a kid I collected baseball cards and loved to see what they were worth and even paid good money for rookie cards of my favorite players. Today these overproduced cards are all worthless. The same will be true of their replacement one day when kids realize they have no idea why they like Pokémon cards. Coin collecting is another hobby that is dying out, in 30 years old coins will be worthless when all the collectors pass away.

Now someone tell me please, why should I purchase the Saturn V.

This is an incredibly polite “screw you” to scalpers who hoarded ten thousand copies of the Saturn V. Good job LEGO! LEGO is for play and imagination, not future returns. To all investing in LEGO sets (buying up store shelves, causing immense frustration to parents, kids and AFOLS), the stock market is still open!

Clarification: I am only attacking scalpers buying an inordinate amount of a certain set not resellers

I don't think this point has been made yet, but it something we all need to accept:

LEGO is not doing this for LEGO fans.

This is a purely (admittedly sensible) business decision to re-release two sets that sold very well, and will continue to sell well, to the general public.

Old modulars, trains, & fishing shops aren't models that someone with absolutely no interest in LEGO would buy, so they won't be coming back.

@Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

No... a collector doesn’t buy a set because not everyone else could get it (with the exception of stuff like the Bespin Duel, that is a very limited run - these sets weren’t). A collector buys a set because they think it’s cool. Whether it gets rereleased makes no difference to them - they’ve still got their cool set.

Sounds like you’re collecting for the wrong reasons.

Cool! Now they just need to re-release Wall-E, Doctor Who and the Maze.

Please re-release 75294 Duel on Bespin for all Star Wars fans all over the world!

TLG would make no mistake by releasing 10182 once more...
Or 10194... or few others... just saying.

Well I'll certainly be buying the 92177 Ship in a Bottle for my 76 year old father... he rediscovered Lego, particularly Technic, in the Melbourne COVID-19 lockdown. As a former sailor he'll appreciate it, as I did, without doubt.

Whilst I don't pretend to understand why they can't simply reuse the original number, it's just print on a box and instructions after all, I certainly appreciate the re-release of such iconic sets.

I hope Lego continues to look at its back catalogue and re-release more retired sets, whether recent or not.

It must be more lucrative as well since they will eliminate a large portion of the design process. Contrary to that i suppose it will also depend on mould availability as well.

I just want a Cafe Corner re-release ;_;

Love this piece of news, even though I already have the Saturn V (and the Ship in a bottle).
So happy that everyone who missed out on those sets the first time round now has another chance to get them for a reasonable price.

To all the scalpers (hate the lot of you, with a vengeance) who are crying foul now, I have only one thing to say:
* Blows raspberry *

I bought 4 of the sets. One is a straight build. A second was split in half to build the Skylab Saturn V and an Apollo Saturn 1B. I bought the other two to gift to my children, but when the set got discontinued I debated scrapping that plan in favor of reselling down the road. Glad I can go back to my original plan.

FYI.... buying a commodity to resell based on supply and demand is not investing, it's speculating, which is another word for gambling. Sometimes your roll the dice (or use the RNG) and it doesn't work out.

@Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

Do you know how Lego pieces work? You take a bunch of pieces to build a house, then disassemble and make a car or a plane, then disassemble and make a robot, etc. Anyone can take other Lego sets to build another set if they have the right pieces.

@Lego_Lord_Mayorca said:
"I can't believe anyone and everyone that wanted a Saturn V didn't get one during initial release. It was rather affordable and appealed to both kids and baby boomer parents, especially ones working in science and engineering, or who were just fans of space and space travel. Nary an hour went by on message boards like Reddit without some rube posting a picture of this set, still in the box, super excited to own such an amazingly-designed replica of a historical piece of hardware (nevermind they weren't so excited to build it before taking a picture to earn points on the internet).

I remember getting it back in June of 2017, which feels like ages ago. Oh well, thankfully, this means I get to save my monies this November. "

This set is targeted for people like me, an AFOL, who recently came out of their lego dark ages (For me my second one) in March of this year as Quarantine began. I found out this set existed only then and began scouring sites trying to find it for retail but it seemed to sell out left and right. It seemed that when I would find it at a place (Barnes and Noble for example) and when I went to purchase it, had already sold out. I decided to spend my money on collecting the Harry Potter Lego sets and waiting patiently for the Pirates Ideas set.

I welcome both these new Ideas as I missed out originally on the run and hope they make more. I will buy the Saturn V the day of when it is released...if only they would release a new Fishing Store or the old modulars!

@sammy_zammy said:
" @Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

No... a collector doesn’t buy a set because not everyone else could get it (with the exception of stuff like the Bespin Duel, that is a very limited run - these sets weren’t). A collector buys a set because they think it’s cool. Whether it gets rereleased makes no difference to them - they’ve still got their cool set.

Sounds like you’re collecting for the wrong reasons."

Yes! I don’t mind at all that thousands of people have the sets I’m collecting.

I have a collection of sealed sets. Over the past months, I’ve actually sold (and I’m still selling) many of the rarer sealed sets I have because I decided to only keep the sets I loved. So I sold 20 yo sealed sets but kept things like 21110, 75193 or 70822.

@Mlf0927 said:
" @ogel_chicago said:
" @Lego_Lord_Mayorca said:
"I can't believe anyone and everyone that wanted a Saturn V didn't get one during initial release. It was rather affordable and appealed to both kids and baby boomer parents, especially ones working in science and engineering, or who were just fans of space and space travel. Nary an hour went by on message boards like Reddit without some rube posting a picture of this set, still in the box, super excited to own such an amazingly-designed replica of a historical piece of hardware (nevermind they weren't so excited to build it before taking a picture to earn points on the internet).

I remember getting it back in June of 2017, which feels like ages ago. Oh well, thankfully, this means I get to save my monies this November. "

This set is targeted for people like me, an AFOL, who recently came out of their lego dark ages (For me my second one) in March of this year as Quarantine began. I found out this set existed only then and began scouring sites trying to find it for retail but it seemed to sell out left and right. It seemed that when I would find it at a place (Barnes and Noble for example) and when I went to purchase it, had already sold out. I decided to spend my money on collecting the Harry Potter Lego sets and waiting patiently for the Pirates Ideas set.

I welcome both these new Ideas as I missed out originally on the run and hope they make more. I will buy the Saturn V the day of when it is released...if only they would release a new Fishing Store or the old modulars! "
So basically a move like this just encourages “dark ages” and removes any sense of urgency to buy sets. good move lego!
"

I believe the opposite is really true. LEGO, like all other companies, care ultimately about the bottom line - making the most amount of money with the least amount of cost. There isn't a correlation between people having "Dark Ages" and re-lease of retired sets. I can see an argument being made that if they re-released MANY retired sets, than people may stop buying them altogether, but this would only be true if the re-released sets took precedence over new sets and keeping things fresh, which ultimately drive their bottom line.

For these two particular sets, there's timing. As example, I was already in the dark ages, along with many others, who sudden began buying LEGOS again for an indoor hobby in March. I've kept it up and will continue to do it, especially BECAUSE they may re-release some old sets i missed. I'm a new customer who has already gotten others to purchase and this may be their temporary focus for 2020-2021. (This is proven buy LEGO making 14% increase in the last quarter, the largest in their company). LEGO stands to make a LOT more money going forward working on catering to these new customers willing to drop money. Having a few retired sets come back for the new customers means more money. I for one, will be buying both IDEAS sets when I may not have spent the money on LEGO. I'd drop money on numerous others.

Another reason why re-releasing SOME retired sets makes sense. It gives them incentive to make more money, re-releasing sets they already have, that cost LESS to make. If they are like other companies, they generally keep the master die-molds of all pieces in their product library, even from years earlier. While I don't have the facts about the mold, they do have a library of ever set ever produced for reference. In essence, these re-releases of money-makers gives them more money, with less production cost....and there's an insane DEMAND for this as numerous people in this post keep YEARNING for older sets to be made. Economics is basically supply and demand, and LEGO, by this decision, sees there's a large demand for certain sets that can maximize profit and minimize cost. It's almost like them printing money at this point, but...as a caveat, they could go overboard with this and drive people away if they lose site of the new products being the cornerstone of t

Lego wouldn’t do this if they didn’t stand to make more money on it. It’s ridiculous to think that, by doing this, they’re suddenly going to push people into the dark ages or encourage people to not buy sets. The majority of people that buy Leto buy it because they like the sets and want them. They’re releasing these sets because people want to buy them. It’s that simple.

I personally don't have an interest in either of these sets, but I'm astounded by the mental gymnastics some people perform in order to try and paint this as a bad move.

I am seeing a lot of disdain for resellers and it baffles me. Could someone please explain to me who is the victim in 2 consenting parties agreeing on a price for a non essential commodity?

as someone who has only rediscovered Lego this year, I am happy they are re-releasing the Saturn V. I didn't know that model existed until this past April, and was heartbroken that it had been discontinued. I ended up buying an unopened set from a reseller (for approx $250), and I am so happy with it. Good for TLG for listening to the demand and producing the Saturn V again. It's so cool, I'll probably buy another one when they do.
I'd like to see them re-release a lot of the discontinued Architecture sets, starting with 21050 (Architecture Studio).

@aamartin0000 said:
" @Damian9898 said:
"Big mistake, the value of Lego is based on uniqueness. It is a big blow to collectors. "

Couldn’t disagree more. Artificially limiting supply is a false value. (See: Beanie Babies). TLG and seconday markets ultimately make more money by selling more sets. Tough luck to speculators/gougers."

Just remember Lego retires 100% of their product at some point. Without resellers, you have a 0% chance of getting those sets sealed after production ends. That said, I have no problem with the re-releases. These are fabulous sets. Saturn V is potentially the most value for the dollar ever in a Lego set.

Would love to see rereleases branded something like "Legends" years ago, with special boxes.

"Vault" series sounds good to me.

@Mlf0927 said:
"I am seeing a lot of disdain for resellers and it baffles me. Could someone please explain to me who is the victim in 2 consenting parties agreeing on a price for a non essential commodity? "
TLG never sold sets with the express intention of resale from just anyone. Unless you run a business who has signed a contract with TLG to carry some of their inventory (which usually entails TLG receiving a share of the sales because they're the manufacturer and supplier in the first place), they never "consented" to anything except your purchase of their goods. As an individual, resale is an investment you and you alone are responsible for, not TLG. And they are not obligated to consider the implications for the secondary market when deciding when, or how, to discontinue or re-release their products.

If an individual who buys sets in bulk with the sole purpose of reselling them finds themselves later screwed over by something TLG does, that's not TLG's fault. Yes, it's an awful situation to be in, especially if the individual ends up standing to make a hefty loss, but it's just how investments work. It's a risk you take and are therefore solely responsible for. If they really wanted to still cut a profit, they might consider parting out — some less valuable sets can still net you a decent profit if their individual parts end up selling well. But whatever they choose to do, TLG is not obligated to advise or compensate them.

I don't know about the others, but personally when it comes to resellers I only have disdain for scalpers (like most people who are not scalpers do), and general resellers who feel entitled to profits and demonstrate said entitlement in the way they've commented on this announcement.