That jet though. Yuck.

I'm diggin' the Spidey Iron-Cave!
Be fun to mod and get more Spidey suits.

Aw, man Ben Rilley’s in the expensive set.
Anyway, that’s a must buy.

I get that the set is geared towards KFOLs, but it seems like a huge step back from 76108 or 76005, but also a step back from 76125 in that it doesn't really evoke any of the Marvel movies. It seems more like someone took the headquarters of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and painted them Spider-Man's color scheme.

My wallet hurts.

I think I preferred the older way they did Venom. I don't like those chunky plant pieces as "weapons".

The extra spider suits look nice and I like spideys arm printing.

This year's 4+ sets had some real gems (I love the Jurassic World set with the seaplane and velociraptor), but Thanos vs Iron Man there is definitely not one of those.

The Spider-cave, I don't know. I don't like it personally, but I can see the appeal. He's just become the Marvel equivalent of Batman (and he does have the angst and deceased family members) in terms of merch. Which, again, I understand ... but people who want building-themed sets, I can completely see where they're coming from.

The January ones are better, however the Spidey cave minifigs are quite good...

Oh and lego please produce some New characters from marvel and Dc too!! The likes of spiderman, iron man, Venom etc have played their course now!!

I like the screens at the back of the Spider-lair. I might try and get hold of those.

The spider-layer has huge play-value. The kids that i know never rebuild stuff and just trash their lego in order to beat the crap out of the villains. So i think this layer could be a hit.
It would have been nice though if they changed Green Goblin in Demogoblin and Venom in Morbius, so older kids could enjoy this set as well.

Still waiting on x-men, ( xavier, beast, archangel, colossus, nightcrawler, rogue, mystique, apocalypse, juggernaut, sabretooth ) fantastic four, ( mr.fantastic, invisible woman, human torch, thing, galactus, silver surfer, a proper doom ) daredevil, kingpin, namor, black bolt, blade and punisher......the list is long.....

^ I, too, would like to see LEGO do the Fantastic Four. But my understanding is that it can’t for licensing reasons with no prospect of that changing anytime soon.

just like this year's "venomosaurus" the spidey-lair is too wacky to pass up! 51 year old boy here, hahaha ^_^

TLG don't seem to know what to do with Spiderman, either they copy him onto a Ninjago style 76114 spider crawler and 76115 spider mech for 2019 (as this theme is already popular with kids), or leave him with lots of bits and pieces but no real focused build as in this set.

@Snazzy101 said:
" @LusiferSam said:
"The Spider Cave set is one of the dumbest ideas I've even seen for a set. Why can't be get buildings for Spider-Man to swing from? Done right the would have fewer pieces than this monstrosity and be comic/movie/cartoon accurate. I refuse to believe kids like this junk for Spider-Man."

You can refuse to believe all you like, but someone continues to buy them. Unless of course you think LEGO has been making superhero sets exactly like this for 15 years just to spite the joyless. "

They sell because they have sought-after minifigures. Few people, if any, actually care for the builds.

Lair is at least something better then the 10+ Spider-vehicles.

While I don't collect Comic sets, I think the Lair is one of the best "generic" spiderman sets in the last 3 years (the 2019-2021 era of Spider-man subtheme sets : https://brickset.com/sets/theme-Marvel-Super-Heroes/subtheme-Spider-Man )

Spider-man and large vehicles just doesn't reflect the way I've come to known Spider-man via the cartoons and movies.

(leaving the whole price/volume/piece discussion out until some real reviews)

@LusiferSam said:
"The Spider Cave set is one of the dumbest ideas I've even seen for a set. Why can't be get buildings for Spider-Man to swing from? Done right the would have fewer pieces than this monstrosity and be comic/movie/cartoon accurate. I refuse to believe kids like this junk for Spider-Man."

or better yet villains lairs like oscorp who can remember the fantastic bridge battle set why cant they do sets like that anymore instead of turning spiderman into batman 2.0

Are they basketballs or Green Goblin bombs?

Reminds me of Imaginext sets.

@LegoSonicBoy said:
"I'm 28 and I LOVE that Spider Lair! So much to do and these are activities a youthful Spidey would do anyway! Build looks pretty substantial as well (other than the completely open jail cell). Not to mention the cool alternative suits. Very fun-looking set!

Only question is why aren't there two jail cells when there's both Green Goblin and Venom? Is it because they know Venom could easily slip out of jail? Or maybe they want both of them locked together for... reasons...

Correction: the jail cell is enclosed, but there's really only room for 1."

But, TBH if Batman/millionaire Bruce Wayne can’t afford to put decent jailing in his secret cave, how should we expect Spider-Man/broke highschooler Peter Parker to do any better. P.S. I know that he became a successful scientist, and that this is probably when he made this lair.

“Not only the men, but the women, and CHILDREN!!!”

That 4+ set is sweet, 2 builds that aren’t a complete joke, 2 main characters and a mcguffin. Perfect little playset. Is that a new canon piece?

I would’ve loved that spider lair as a kid. Just wish it had a suit changer like the 2012 Batcave.

@Ladondorf said:
" @yuffie said:
"I think the trap a lot of people fall into (including me) when they see a new Marvel set is assuming it has to be based on the MCU. Clearly Lego base most of their sets on a much more general Marvel Universe (even some of the sets that are labelled with a particular film) and aim them at younger fans.

It's easy to complain about these sets (especially the awful press releases) but that's simply because they are not aimed at the majority of people on here."

I don't think the problem is MOVIE-accuracy.

The entire concept of Spider-Man has always been that he's an ordinary, unprepared kid, flying by the seat of his pants, who travels by swinging from buildings with his webs.

Why does it make sense for any version of a character like that to have Spider-Trucks and Spider-Bikes and Spider-Mechs and a gigantic Spider-Lair?"

I think Spider-Man may now be considered one of the greats to whom the younger super heroes look for inspiration, with Kid Arachnid and Ghost Spider being the younger generation (going by the Spider-Verse).

The Spider-lair does have a bit of a 4+ feel, but with those minifigs I simply do not care. That's a day 1, maybe even multiple to do a Iron Man style hall of armor for all of the Spidey variations we've gotten so far!

With the Thanos set, I can appreciate that Lego is making it easy for me to not want to complete the theme ;) There's always a silver lining, folks

Not really a fan of the Spider Lair build it self in my opinion, but those suits are quite amazing

Honestly I’m perfectly fine with the Spider-Lair.
Really, with some modification here and there, you could make a pretty convincing version of the Spiderverse hideout. Honestly makes me wish there was more room for other Spidey suits.

Orange_Jooze Said: "DON'T FORGET: THIS IS FOR KIDS, TOO!"

While we all can agree that Lego's main market is kids, I think the main problem is how these DC/Marvel franchises has been targeting an ever-younger audience nowadays. I may be wrong (I've never been a hardcore fan), but when I grew up in the 80s I felt these superhero franchises were mainly targeted towards age groups around 12+. Nowadays we not only have 4+ sets but even Duplo products, going for such young buyers means that everything has to be very tame, family-friendly and diluted - which hampers artistic freedom and creativity, especially when it comes to darker themes. We see the same problem with the Hollywood movie industry in general, nearly everything made is PG/PG-13, even franchises that traditionally was R (like Die Hard).

As others point out, the Spider-Lair looks like a mix of the Hall of Armour, the Batcave and the Ninja Turtles hideout. The Spider-Van is even sillier, even ignoring the whole "let's give Spiderman vehicles to sell more toys" thing - the way it has "Spider-Man" pasted all over it makes it look just like a licensed toy for small kids rather than something he would conceivably be using in an actual movie or comic, it totally shatters any suspension of disbelief.

I dig the non-MCU Marvel sets but it seems like a missed opportunity not to add some new characters or bring back some minifigs that haven’t been done in a while. Thinking X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, etc.

@axeleng said:
"Orange_Jooze Said: "DON'T FORGET: THIS IS FOR KIDS, TOO!"

While we all can agree that Lego's main market is kids, I think the main problem is how these DC/Marvel franchises has been targeting an ever-younger audience nowadays. I may be wrong (I've never been a hardcore fan), but when I grew up in the 80s I felt these superhero franchises were mainly targeted towards age groups around 12+. Nowadays we not only have 4+ sets but even Duplo products, going for such young buyers means that everything has to be very tame, family-friendly and diluted - which hampers artistic freedom and creativity, especially when it comes to darker themes. We see the same problem with the Hollywood movie industry in general, nearly everything made is PG/PG-13, even franchises that traditionally was R (like Die Hard).

As others point out, the Spider-Lair looks like a mix of the Hall of Armour, the Batcave and the Ninja Turtles hideout. The Spider-Van is even sillier, even ignoring the whole "let's give Spiderman vehicles to sell more toys" thing - the way it has "Spider-Man" pasted all over it makes it look just like a licensed toy for small kids rather than something he would conceivably be using in an actual movie or comic, it totally shatters any suspension of disbelief."

"superhero franchises in the 80s" didn't exist. There were the Superman movies (easily aimed at the Duplo segment), and the comics and action figures. They were nothing like the vast sea of content that we have today, with more than enough room for varying levels of intensity. And there hasn't been any kind of dilution, things like DC Black Label or HBO Watchmen or Doom Patrol or the Marvel Netflix serieses or Gotham prove that. It hasn't been 10 years since the Joker started wearing his own face. You can't argue that everything has been kiddified. Do I even need to mention The Boys?

And again, there's room for varying levels. The fact that there's Spiderman Duplo sets doesn't change the fact that Beck got shot in Far From Home, or that there was a rotting Iron Man corpse. That doesn't really seem "very tame, family-friendly and diluted" to me.

As for the Spider-Man-Van and the suspension of disbelief, I'd like to introduce you to this die-cast model from.....1979.....If you find this to be an issue then surely we can agree that it's been an issue since the dawn of comics and is nothing new or modern https://www.toymart.com/Corgi-436-Spiderman-van/735

@Sci_Fi_Brix said:
"I just want more MCU Based sets, I hate the sets that take MCU scenes like Iron Man vs. Thanos and use the video game minifigures so it is more appealing to kids"

The video game is rated T for Teen so it wouldn't make any sense for this to be "appealing to kids". Also, hardly anybody played the game

LEGO is really milking the Spider-Verse movie for all its worth. They should just go ahead and get the official license, if you ask me.

@chrisaw said:
"God speed to anyone that purchases the Spider Lair and applies all those clear stickers to the panel pieces at the back."
If you use the window-cleaning-solution method of applying stickers, it shouldn’t be much problem. I don’t care for stickers and have very few in my display collection, but when I do use them, I find that that technique works a treat.

@Slave2lego said:
"About the 76170 set - You’ll never convince me the single piece Iron Man helmet is an improvement on the hinged faceplate design. It doesn’t matter how they print it, it just looks rubbish!"
I have both in my display collection, one as a minifigure on its own and one in a hulkbuster/mech. If I had to choose a favourite, it would be the flip-up visor, but the single piece helmet isn’t bad.

That Thanos figure seems really nice. I know we've gotten them before in things like Mighty Micros, but I don't think one's caught my eye as well as this one.

I don't collect a lot of LEGO Marvel, but the Spider Lair is adorable, I might have to get it

^ The Thanos in the mech set that I recommended in the Gift Guide (https://brickset.com/article/54526/holiday-gift-guide-marvel-mechs) is similar but with printed legs. This one has plain legs which is a retrograde step in my view.

Lovely sets.

Don’t care for Iron Man and Thanos, but the Spider-Lair is a neat idea. But I won’t get it due to poor execution.

phahah

With all the critiques about "the Spider-lair" I am surprised not to many people have mentioned that we saw exactly that in "Into the Spider-Verse:" https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/016/350/102/large/patrick-o-keefe-cbf-spiderhideout-007.jpg?1551826978

The thing with so many different iterations of Spider-Man, its best to assume that somewhere sometime the ridiculous vehicles and lairs happened in some Spider-Man's story. Sure Toby McGuire might have lived the life of a Spider-Man who was a perennial early 20's loser, and Tom Holland is an inexperienced teenage kid, but those attributes do not apply to every single Peter Parker Marvel has published. In the mainline comics for a time Peter Parker ran "Parker Industries," a science defense corporation that could rival Stark Industries (or Wayne Enterprises if you want to compare to DC's Batman lore) that existed because Peter had um, swapped brains with Doc Ock for a while. So while a Spider-Lair would be odd to see in a Toby McGuire or Tom Holland Spider-Man, it actually would be quite natural in a Parker Industries type setting.

@Ladondorf said:
" @Snazzy101 said:
" @LusiferSam said:
"The Spider Cave set is one of the dumbest ideas I've even seen for a set. Why can't be get buildings for Spider-Man to swing from? Done right the would have fewer pieces than this monstrosity and be comic/movie/cartoon accurate. I refuse to believe kids like this junk for Spider-Man."

You can refuse to believe all you like, but someone continues to buy them. Unless of course you think LEGO has been making superhero sets exactly like this for 15 years just to spite the joyless. "

They sell because they have sought-after minifigures. Few people, if any, actually care for the builds."

Oh, of course, the Minifigure Defense. The toy concept of pairing Spider-man with nonsense vehicles dates back to the '70s. Mego did it. Mattel did it. Toybiz did it. Hasbro did it (and continues to). The very idea that generations of children enjoyed none of it is totally ridiculous.

My younger self had a Spider-man car that would launch across the carpet at the touch of a button. I don't recall having a nervous breakdown because I couldn't reconcile it with the canon, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. Perhaps that was the point of putting Spider-man in a Spidey-themed car.

@Snazzy101 said:
" @Ladondorf said:
" @Snazzy101 said:
" @LusiferSam said:
"The Spider Cave set is one of the dumbest ideas I've even seen for a set. Why can't be get buildings for Spider-Man to swing from? Done right the would have fewer pieces than this monstrosity and be comic/movie/cartoon accurate. I refuse to believe kids like this junk for Spider-Man."

You can refuse to believe all you like, but someone continues to buy them. Unless of course you think LEGO has been making superhero sets exactly like this for 15 years just to spite the joyless. "

They sell because they have sought-after minifigures. Few people, if any, actually care for the builds."

Oh, of course, the Minifigure Defense. The toy concept of pairing Spider-man with nonsense vehicles dates back to the '70s. Mego did it. Mattel did it. Toybiz did it. Hasbro did it (and continues to). The very idea that generations of children enjoyed none of it is totally ridiculous.

My younger self had a Spider-man car that would launch across the carpet at the touch of a button. I don't recall having a nervous breakdown because I couldn't reconcile it with the canon, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. Perhaps that was the point of putting Spider-man in a Spidey-themed car."

But how can you have fun without your suspension of disbelief???

" @Snazzy101 said:

Oh, of course, the Minifigure Defense. The toy concept of pairing Spider-man with nonsense vehicles dates back to the '70s. Mego did it. Mattel did it. Toybiz did it. Hasbro did it (and continues to). The very idea that generations of children enjoyed none of it is totally ridiculous.

My younger self had a Spider-man car that would launch across the carpet at the touch of a button. I don't recall having a nervous breakdown because I couldn't reconcile it with the canon, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. Perhaps that was the point of putting Spider-man in a Spidey-themed car."

I'm just describing the consensus I've heard consistently from LEGO fans and reviewers for the past few years.

@Ladondorf said:
[[[[ @Snazzy101 said:

Oh, of course, the Minifigure Defense. The toy concept of pairing Spider-man with nonsense vehicles dates back to the '70s. Mego did it. Mattel did it. Toybiz did it. Hasbro did it (and continues to). The very idea that generations of children enjoyed none of it is totally ridiculous.

My younger self had a Spider-man car that would launch across the carpet at the touch of a button. I don't recall having a nervous breakdown because I couldn't reconcile it with the canon, but I do remember having a lot of fun with it. Perhaps that was the point of putting Spider-man in a Spidey-themed car.]]

I'm just describing the consensus I've heard consistently from LEGO fans and reviewers for the past few years.]]

Then your analysis of the consensus is wrong. There are plenty of comments on this article that see the fun in these types of sets. Perhaps you should consider there might be different opinions beyond your echo-chamber because I don't think too many of the posts you've been reading are from the target audience.

@Zander:
Didn't you hear? The FTC got black-out drunk and let Disney buy Fox. The whole issue with the Fantastic Four was that Marvel had worked merchandising approval into all of their movie rights contracts, so they could protect the Marvel name (no X-Men sex toys, no Hulk tobacco products, etc.). Then Disney bought Marvel. Once the MCU started to build up steam and earn Marvel's keep, Disney basically put the kibosh on any and all movie-based merchandising as a way to punish the likes of Fox for not either handing their fairly-purchased movie rights back to Disney, or groveling at Disney's feet and asking to be part of the MCU. They even made Marvel stop publishing the Fantastic Four comic books as a way to further kill their popularity and make another attempt at rebooting the FF movie franchise even less appealing. Now that Disney owns Fox, Disney owns the Fantastic Four movie rights, and they have no reason to play dirty anymore. They got what they want, which is 40% of Hollywood, and pretty much all the missing bits and pieces of the Marvel and Star Wars franchises that they hadn't managed to sink their claws into already.

@chrisaw:
1. Make sure your hands are clean before you build the set.
2. Make sure you lay down one edge and roll the rest of the sticker down from there, preventing any bubbles from forming.
3. Burnish the sticker with the tip of your index finger or thumb, to make sure that you get really solid conctact between the sticker adhesive and the panel. You may see residual fingerprints or some vaguely grainy appearance at first, but as the adhesive finished bonding with the plastic you should notice that any texture you can see in the adhesive will fade into a nicely clear transparency.

I prefer transparent stickers any day of the week. They've never crumbled to dust on me like white stickers, and I never just slap them on without paying attention to what I'm doing, so they never _look_ like I slapped them on without paying attention to what I'm doing.

@fulcrumbop:
If they're really basketballs, that'll be great for the GBC crowd, as seeding a handful of orange balls into a sea of white balls is really the only effective way to help the crowds track the flow from one GBC module to the next. If, on the other hand, they're Zamor Spheres, that's not so great because they're just a tiny bit too large to fit through a two-stud gap, which means they won't work with many GBC modules at all.

@Brikkyy13:
The arrow and launcher are both new as of this year, appearing in sets 51515, 71703, 76151, and 76153. There was a reason for the once-again redesign of the arrow, which was mentioned in an interview, but I can't remember what it was offhand. The launcher was redesigned because it was a major pain to work it into any System-based sets, seeing as it only had Technic connections (and not very useful ones at that). So, the new launcher is basically a 2x6xsomething brick, with the standard plate-style connections on the bottom, and a field of recessed studs on the top. Zero effort is required to incorporate this version into a set. In fact, you can basically turn it into the frame of a small vehicle, if you so choose.

The spider lair is full of stickers? I assume that is the case, but does anyone have an answer on that.

@DarthWalle said:
"The spider lair is full of stickers? I assume that is the case, but does anyone have an answer on that. "
You bet.
It's marked as 8+. Only 4+ sets have prints only.

@LusiferSam said:
"The Spider Cave set is one of the dumbest ideas I've even seen for a set. Why can't be get buildings for Spider-Man to swing from? Done right the would have fewer pieces than this monstrosity and be comic/movie/cartoon accurate. I refuse to believe kids like this junk for Spider-Man."

Holy crap, man. You clearly do not have a child. Have you even seen LEGO Vexed by Venom?

@PapaWalt:
I've actually got it recorded on my DVR, but haven't watched it. I don't remember why I became aware that it would be playing earlier this month, but it's got Venom in it, so I set it to record.

For 10$, you're getting a crap load of value for that 4+ set. Two characters and builds for each of them to fight with, and a thing to fight over!

@Ladondorf said:
"I'm just describing the consensus I've heard consistently from LEGO fans and reviewers for the past few years."
Have you ever seen those YouTube Kids channels with millions of subscribers? They pretty much unanimously enjoy the ridiculous superhero vehicle playsets, and even if the reactions of half of those channels are manufactured, the videos still get tens of millions of views. Even EvanTubeHD, despite being a teenager now, is making similar videos and getting similar engagement numbers. That demographic is pretty wild. But it exists. AFOL consensus doesn't hold a candle to them at all.