Marvel Carnage helmet revealed
Posted by Huw,
Target has sent a message to users of its app stating that this hitherto unseen 76199 Carnage helmet can be pre-ordered from tomorrow at the US store.
Update (10/03/2021): it's also on the retailer's website.
Update (11/03/2021): This set will be available worldwide from LEGO.com, beginning on the 1st of May.
Thanks to Shannon S for the news.
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Why is it called a "helmet" it's his head.
I don't think "helmet" describes it. It's a Carnage >bust<.
The eyes are wrong. Looks weird to me.
Its a bit creepy, please tell me its not just me - looks pretty good though might pick it up.
76199
Wait, wait. What is 'Carnage'?
Promobricks has the rumoured venom bust listed as as set 76187, 565 pieces.
^^ use your search engine, type "marvel" and "carnage"
Lower part looks okay. From the beginning of the eyes upwards it's nowhere near the original.
Hard pass, coming from an absolute Carnage Fan since the Super NES game.
What in the world?? Of all the characters in the Marvel catalogue, they release this one?
Are we really getting a Carnage bust before they even release a Spiderman bust?
I was really looking forward to seeing what new helmets/ busts would continue in this line, but this is just way different than I was thinking.
@ShadoWind said:
"Wait, wait. What is 'Carnage'?"
Carnage is another symbiote and Spider-Man villain, similar to Venom, but rather than having Eddie Brock as his host, he possesses the serial killer Cletus Kasady.
Well, this is a Lego set, yes.
Piece count looks like 545 to me, but I could be wrong. Looks pretty cool though, excited to pick one up
Irrelevant comment: way back when I was in high school, I made a Doctor Doom mask out of sheet metal as part of an art project. I made the rivets on the helmet from Lego studs that I sliced off spare Lego bricks. This is...probably pretty heretical to this crowd. It turned out nicely, though.
Some people seem to be unfamiliar with Carnage. Carnage is a spinoff of the Marvel villain Venom, who is a Spider-Man enemy that wears a living, symbiotic costume that Spider-Man himself once wore. While in prison, Venom's costume dropped an offspring that bonded with his roommate, a serial killer named Kletus Casady. So Carnage is approximately a much more violent version of Venom (and, in fact, the costume lives in his bloodstream, which is why it's red). Carnage recently had a significant event in the comics and will be the villain in the Venom 2 movie.
The Universal theme park in Orlando had a Halloween event one year called "Maximum Carnage" where the Marvel zone went super dark one night. All the heroes were "killed" and Carnage and other villains ran rampant in the park. This was considered too violent to repeat.
I was kind of hoping for a Sam Rami Green Goblin for this, but this looks good.
Not much of a helmet, more of a disembodied head
As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust.
To anyone wondering why Carnage is relevant enough to gain a set - Woody Harrelson is set to play the character very soon as the main antagonist of Venom 2. And actually, this looks OK; somehow, in my opinion, a better "helmet" than Iron Man's.
@Slave2lego said:
"As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust."
Carnage is showing up in the next Venom film played by Woody Harrelson, so it might be a subtle attempt to tie into the film.
This looks so much better than I ever expected! Definitely my favorite "helmet" set so far.
@inversion said:
"The eyes are wrong. Looks weird to me."
Tbf, we haven't seen the movie version yet.
@xboxtravis7992 said:
" @Slave2lego said:
"As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust."
Carnage is showing up in the next Venom film played by Woody Harrelson, so it might be a subtle attempt to tie into the film."
Good point and I had no idea, just wonder if a more familiar Marvel head/helmet/bust would deliver more sales and then they could just leave Carnage in the play sets.
Looks to me like the piece count is 546 pieces and the set number is 76199
@xboxtravis7992 said:
" @Slave2lego said:
"As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust."
Carnage is showing up in the next Venom film played by Woody Harrelson, so it might be a subtle attempt to tie into the film."
Not even subtle, peep the title of the movie underneath the logo.
@The_Toniboeh said:
"Not much of a helmet, more of a disembodied head"
Fitting
I feel this choice was made because carnage is bright red and target likes having red exclusives.
I wonder if this isn't based on the upcoming Venom movie sequel "Venom: Let There Be Carnage"... It doesn't quite look right in regards to the classic comic character, as many have mentioned, especially around the eyes. It looks more like Iron Man with the Carnage symbiote...
@TheBrickGuru24 said:
" @xboxtravis7992 said:
" @Slave2lego said:
"As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust."
Carnage is showing up in the next Venom film played by Woody Harrelson, so it might be a subtle attempt to tie into the film."
Not even subtle, peep the title of the movie underneath the logo."
That's not the title of Venom 2
The guy who invented these country exclusives on such a popular theme MUST BE FIRED!
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Some people seem to be unfamiliar with Carnage. Carnage is a spinoff of the Marvel villain Venom, who is a Spider-Man enemy that wears a living, symbiotic costume that Spider-Man himself once wore. While in prison, Venom's costume dropped an offspring that bonded with his roommate, a serial killer named Kletus Casady. So Carnage is approximately a much more violent version of Venom (and, in fact, the costume lives in his bloodstream, which is why it's red). Carnage recently had a significant event in the comics and will be the villain in the Venom 2 movie.
The Universal theme park in Orlando had a Halloween event one year called "Maximum Carnage" where the Marvel zone went super dark one night. All the heroes were "killed" and Carnage and other villains ran rampant in the park. This was considered too violent to repeat."
Sounds perfect for LEGO's family friendly values... ;-)
Seriously, WTH happened to this company? They pull the Technic Osprey because it's a weapon of war, but are totally fine with this "thing"? I honestly don't understand their policy anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I think this bust/head looks cool (never heard of the source material tbh), it's just the hypocrisy of LEGO that gets on my nerves.
Just adopt an "anything goes" policy and finally release sets that are cool no matter the subject. I mean, you already had all kinds of out of the ordinary stuff, even minifig Nazis, so...
What a strange choice for Lego. I'm a life-long Marvel fan, and I get the tie-in to the Venom movie, but the character is a serial killer without - as far as I know - any kind of redeeming qualities (although you could make an argument that someone like Thanos is worse, I suppose). For a company that has some general ethical practices about the sets they release, this one seems like something that doesn't quite fit.
Oh this is sick
Is LEGO actually still making sets with this mass killer?
Edit: some of his comics are in the adult aisle then again, Darth Vader and Anakin aren't really child material.....
Any word on international release?
I find it surprising that people are now mentioning Carnage's mass-murdering tendencies, after his minifigures have already made multiple appearances.
Like other comic book villains, there are different versions of Carnage. Some involve a violent murderer while others are treated less seriously. Admittedly, his most extreme depictions are particularly unpleasant, although not necessarily more so than characters like the Joker.
Going to piggyback off of some other comments here.
Carnage is usually a Spider-Man villain. Usually he is a symbiote that bonded to a serial killer named Cletus Cassidy, and basically is a MUCH more violent version of Venom. While Venom is often a villain, he also tends to have some anti-hero tendencies. Carnage on the other hand is completely violent and insane, wanting little more than to continue killing. He especially wants our favorite webslinger dead.
As for everyone freaking out over LEGO's decision to do this morally, I think it's a little late to be upset. Carnages has appeared over three Spider-Man sets so far. Even then, plenty of media aimed at kids will do what they need in order to tone the character down to where they're just another super villain for the hero to beat up. Plus, let's run down some of the more questionable characters LEGO has produced, alright?
1.) Darth Vader- Murdered millions across the galaxy, including children.
2.) While on the topic of Star Wars, Jabba the Hutt. He's an obese, perverted slug who enjoys killing people by having them be eaten alive by monsters.
2.) Thanos- Wiped out half the galaxy, and in the comic books, killed LITERALLY EVERYONE just to impress Death.
3.) Widowmaker- crazed hyper-sexualized assassin who was kidnapped, brainwashed, and ordered to murder a politician advocating for peace.
4.)Plenty of villains in DC Comics. They made version of Harley Quinn and the Joker, who are criminally insane and often commit heinous acts across the various mediums they're in.
And those are just the ones off the top of my head. Mature themes in LEGO licenses isn't anything new, and Marvel is the least of our worries with it. Marvel usually does a good job cleaning things up when targeting a younger crowd.
So... LEGO's no stranger to violent characters from violent mediums. Also, this set is a Target exclusive, and the helmets line is targeted towards older fans. I doubt this will expose children to a piece of media they're ill-suited for. You guys are VERY late to play the "BUT THINK OF THE CHIDLREN" card.
@AustinPowers said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Some people seem to be unfamiliar with Carnage. Carnage is a spinoff of the Marvel villain Venom, who is a Spider-Man enemy that wears a living, symbiotic costume that Spider-Man himself once wore. While in prison, Venom's costume dropped an offspring that bonded with his roommate, a serial killer named Kletus Casady. So Carnage is approximately a much more violent version of Venom (and, in fact, the costume lives in his bloodstream, which is why it's red). Carnage recently had a significant event in the comics and will be the villain in the Venom 2 movie.
The Universal theme park in Orlando had a Halloween event one year called "Maximum Carnage" where the Marvel zone went super dark one night. All the heroes were "killed" and Carnage and other villains ran rampant in the park. This was considered too violent to repeat."
Sounds perfect for LEGO's family friendly values... ;-)
Seriously, WTH happened to this company? They pull the Technic Osprey because it's a weapon of war, but are totally fine with this "thing"? I honestly don't understand their policy anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I think this bust/head looks cool (never heard of the source material tbh), it's just the hypocrisy of LEGO that gets on my nerves.
Just adopt an "anything goes" policy and finally release sets that are cool no matter the subject. I mean, you already had all kinds of out of the ordinary stuff, even minifig Nazis, so... "
Do you really not understand the difference between a fictional comic book character and a real machine used in real combat? Or are you choosing to ignore that difference?
@AustinPowers said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Some people seem to be unfamiliar with Carnage. Carnage is a spinoff of the Marvel villain Venom, who is a Spider-Man enemy that wears a living, symbiotic costume that Spider-Man himself once wore. While in prison, Venom's costume dropped an offspring that bonded with his roommate, a serial killer named Kletus Casady. So Carnage is approximately a much more violent version of Venom (and, in fact, the costume lives in his bloodstream, which is why it's red). Carnage recently had a significant event in the comics and will be the villain in the Venom 2 movie.
The Universal theme park in Orlando had a Halloween event one year called "Maximum Carnage" where the Marvel zone went super dark one night. All the heroes were "killed" and Carnage and other villains ran rampant in the park. This was considered too violent to repeat."
Sounds perfect for LEGO's family friendly values... ;-)
Seriously, WTH happened to this company? They pull the Technic Osprey because it's a weapon of war, but are totally fine with this "thing"? I honestly don't understand their policy anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I think this bust/head looks cool (never heard of the source material tbh), it's just the hypocrisy of LEGO that gets on my nerves.
Just adopt an "anything goes" policy and finally release sets that are cool no matter the subject. I mean, you already had all kinds of out of the ordinary stuff, even minifig Nazis, so... "
I think you're speaking more to social inconsistency. Lego is just reflecting society's larger schizophrenia.
There's a recently-released Communist version of Superman on the toy market, based on the graphic novel "Superman: Red Son" where his rocket lands in the Soviet Union. Soviet communism killed millions of people unapologetically, yet this is an acceptable version of the character from books, movies, cosplay, etc. Nazi Superman (this version of the character also exists) would be unwelcome on any retail shelf, but Soviet Superman is...fine. Go figure.
I personally don't object to Carnage as a toy, and maybe the public hasn't picked up on what his character is about. (Note that he's already been in minifig form in several sets.) And it's silly to think that people will imitate him en masse. You'll probably never see the Punisher in minifig form, even though he's at least an anti-hero and used to have Batman levels of popularity. Again, go figure.
that is creepy
@BrickToBasics said:
"Do you really not understand the difference between a fictional comic book character and a real machine used in real combat? Or are you choosing to ignore that difference?"
And yet Lego's made the Sopwith camel, while meanwhile, the nixed Osprey was the Search & Rescue and non-combat version. And there's the military helicopter in the Black Widow set, fighter jets have appeared in the City line, the first Wonder Woman set had a WWI-style plane, the Indiana Jones sets had WWII craft...etc. etc.
You're not going to find consistency in this thing, let alone agreement.
Weird how nobody had any issues when the first wave of Helmets was a bounty hunter (noble profession) and two employees from The Empire, a completely transparent Nazi allegory. None of those fictional characters have anything in the way of morals or ethics, but somehow this fictional alien symbiote is the real problem? I don't mind hand-wringing as long as it's consistent
I think this one looks much better than the Iron Man build, and on one hand I can see why they haven't done Spider-Man yet as that's a much more complicated face design with the webbing and everything, but on the other it is definitely a bit weird that we'll be getting two Spider-Man villain Helmets and still no rumors of the webslinger himself
Additionally: This image is much clearer https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10222074087174794&set=gm.3971824936171842 and confirms set 76199 and 546 pieces
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
" @AustinPowers said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Some people seem to be unfamiliar with Carnage. Carnage is a spinoff of the Marvel villain Venom, who is a Spider-Man enemy that wears a living, symbiotic costume that Spider-Man himself once wore. While in prison, Venom's costume dropped an offspring that bonded with his roommate, a serial killer named Kletus Casady. So Carnage is approximately a much more violent version of Venom (and, in fact, the costume lives in his bloodstream, which is why it's red). Carnage recently had a significant event in the comics and will be the villain in the Venom 2 movie.
The Universal theme park in Orlando had a Halloween event one year called "Maximum Carnage" where the Marvel zone went super dark one night. All the heroes were "killed" and Carnage and other villains ran rampant in the park. This was considered too violent to repeat."
Sounds perfect for LEGO's family friendly values... ;-)
Seriously, WTH happened to this company? They pull the Technic Osprey because it's a weapon of war, but are totally fine with this "thing"? I honestly don't understand their policy anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I think this bust/head looks cool (never heard of the source material tbh), it's just the hypocrisy of LEGO that gets on my nerves.
Just adopt an "anything goes" policy and finally release sets that are cool no matter the subject. I mean, you already had all kinds of out of the ordinary stuff, even minifig Nazis, so... "
I think you're speaking more to social inconsistency. Lego is just reflecting society's larger schizophrenia.
There's a recently-released Communist version of Superman on the toy market, based on the graphic novel "Superman: Red Son" where his rocket lands in the Soviet Union. Soviet communism killed millions of people unapologetically, yet this is an acceptable version of the character from books, movies, cosplay, etc. Nazi Superman (this version of the character also exists) would be unwelcome on any retail shelf, but Soviet Superman is...fine. Go figure.
I personally don't object to Carnage as a toy, and maybe the public hasn't picked up on what his character is about. (Note that he's already been in minifig form in several sets.) And it's silly to think that people will imitate him en masse. You'll probably never see the Punisher in minifig form, even though he's at least an anti-hero and used to have Batman levels of popularity. Again, go figure. "
I think it's worth noting that there's also now a distinct difference between a toy meant for kids and a toy meant for an adult collector. I doubt a kid will be rushing out to buy Red Son superman, given how that movie/novel deals with some pretty heavy themes along with being yet another "Beware the Superman" plot. However, and adult collector might pick one up for whatever reason.
And this set falls into that latter category. It's a collector's piece. I doubt a kid would get much play value out of a statue.
I like it, but it is a little obscure. A Venom ‘helmet’ might be better.
@OneOfAll said:
"The guy who invented these country exclusives on such a popular theme MUST BE FIRED!"
It's not a country exclusive at all. It will go through other retailers in different countries.
So they'll do a serial killer, a mass murderer, but no modern military?
@BrickToBasics said:
"Do you really not understand the difference between a fictional comic book character and a real machine used in real combat? Or are you choosing to ignore that difference?"
I do understand that some people see a difference. To me, violence is violence, be it fictional or real.
I find what many members of my people did during WWII sickening beyond belief.
But I also find movies like Saw, Hostel, etc. sickening beyond belief and can't wrap my head around how warped the minds of the authors of those works must be. Same goes for the minds of people who enjoy watching such stuff.
Reading the description of this Carnage character (the name speaks for itself I would dare say) doesn't feel much better tbh.
I just don't get why we need such explicit and extreme descriptions and depictions of graphical violence in so many media nowadays.
As for the "late for the party" argument, I didn't know there already were minifigs of this character. I'm not much into Superhero sets.
@Rimefang said:
"So they'll do a serial killer, a mass murderer, but no modern military?"
How many real people has Carnage killed? I'd be willing to wager that the modern military has at least one or two more than Carnage the Symbiote.
Not sure if such a squishy organic head is best represented with Lego in this scale. It look's way to blocky and rigid to me, but I'm not into superheroes and all that jazz, so who am I to judge.
@TheWackyWookiee said:
"I like it, but it is a little obscure. A Venom ‘helmet’ might be better."
I believe that one is in the making as well.
I think this bust looks really cool, and will look good with a Venom bust
All I see is a (very) dangerous looking motorcycle helmet.
I for one do like this set, agree that it’s based on a not too ideal person on the face of it but it’s still a ‘baddie’ in a comic and also is another 18+ set aimed at adults.
Just wondering if this will be a US exclusive or not? Haven’t seen anything to say otherwise as yet?
This set was very unexpected, at least for me (in a good way). I quite like this, however, especially how the eyes are brick-built rather than stickers, like in the Iron Man bust.
By the way, I'm a member of a military service. I don't know how many other Brickset users or commenters are.
While I don't think the nature of this forum us conducive to a larger discussion of whether "evil" is inherent to the military as a larger concept or to any specific country's military, the fact is that I've seen some broad stereotypes tossed around about the armed forces to the detriment of individual people who serve. You're pacifists and abhor violence. Got it. There are those of us in uniform who don't run around killing people are a matter of intent or enjoyment, who still play with Lego, *and* who see your comments. Stereotyping is unhealthy no matter who says it or why.
Every depiction of this guy I see on Google Images has basically interwoven strands of black and red all over his head. This is... not that. The color blocking here is very odd, it kind of looks like Venom has put on a solid red motorcycle helmet.
I do love how they've done the big toothy grin though.
Is this a limited release similar to the Darth Vader BUST (75227) they had last year? Or just an exclusivity? Wondering how available/limited this set will be?
That would scare a police Horse lol.. but it looks good Terrifyingly good!
Bit unfair that it's a Target exclusive we British don't even have that store..
@legoavenger14 said:
"That would scare a police Horse lol.. but it looks good Terrifyingly good!
Bit unfair that it's a Target exclusive we British don't even have that store.."
It will go through a different retailer in other countries.
Might have looked better if there was some red between the eyes and the mouth
@CapnRex101 said:
"I find it surprising that people are now mentioning Carnage's mass-murdering tendencies, after his minifigures have already made multiple appearances.
Like other comic book villains, there are different versions of Carnage. Some involve a violent murderer while others are treated less seriously. Admittedly, his most extreme depictions are particularly unpleasant, although not necessarily more so than characters like the Joker."
Yeah that's true but I have been consistent when he was first revealed as a minifigure, Joker is a seriously messed up villain in some interpretation.
@pkbpack18 said:
"Set 76199, I think. 345 pieces."
It's actually 546 pcs.
@CapnRex101 said:
"I find it surprising that people are now mentioning Carnage's mass-murdering tendencies, after his minifigures have already made multiple appearances.
Like other comic book villains, there are different versions of Carnage. Some involve a violent murderer while others are treated less seriously. Admittedly, his most extreme depictions are particularly unpleasant, although not necessarily more so than characters like the Joker."
Maybe the reaction is because the busts tend to move into a region similar to idolatry...something the minifigures don’t tend to do? I don’t know, just a theory to explain why people might react more emotionally to this over a minifigure.
I'm not into Marvel or DC, but this looks amazing!
...it better not be another f*cking "US only" set...
Man that looks weird.
Eww
@fakespacesquid said:
" @TheBrickGuru24 said:
" @xboxtravis7992 said:
" @Slave2lego said:
"As a Lego build, it looks really good, intriguing even, but I just don't get why out of the entire Marvel pantheon they have chosen Carnage. At least the DC side of the house is getting the Batman bust."
Carnage is showing up in the next Venom film played by Woody Harrelson, so it might be a subtle attempt to tie into the film."
Not even subtle, peep the title of the movie underneath the logo."
That's not the title of Venom 2"
It's still not that subtle. "Carnage" is a part of the film's title. This is kind of like the X-Men set with the Sentinel and hero Magneto releasing the same time as the Days of Future Past movie.
Venom is a crappy character. Carnage is just a crappier version of Venom.
Next!
@quark12000 said:
"Venom is a crappy character. Carnage is just a crappier version of Venom.
Next!"
Said no one.
I wonder if someone could use the pieces in this to make an updated smaller version of 10018 Darth Maul in scale with the SW helmets.
@EDHS1989 said:
" @quark12000 said:
"Venom is a crappy character. Carnage is just a crappier version of Venom.
Next!"
Said no one."
Well apparently said someone.
When I saw the image I thought this was one of those Comic Con sets that was being released to the public in a very limited batch thanks to Covid, but this article suggests its a mass produced product just exclusive to Target. Might actually be able to get my hands on this one...
Cool.
@OptimShi said:
"I wonder if this isn't based on the upcoming Venom movie sequel "Venom: Let There Be Carnage"... It doesn't quite look right in regards to the classic comic character, as many have mentioned, especially around the eyes. It looks more like Iron Man with the Carnage symbiote..."
This set looks inspired by the alternate dimension version of Carnage from the Venomverse storyline:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Cletus_Kasady_ (Earth-32231)
(Though, of course, the movie may also be using that as its design inspiration).
Edit: Brickset's comment system is eating up part of the URL - you would need to copy and paste the URL text to see the entry on that version of Carnage.
Really wondering how LEGO is going to differentiate Venom from this set now. Hopefully Venom will have his tongue
Don't think i saw above? Has anyone mentioned if going be available on lego website?
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Irrelevant comment: way back when I was in high school, I made a Doctor Doom mask out of sheet metal as part of an art project. I made the rivets on the helmet from Lego studs that I sliced off spare Lego bricks. This is...probably pretty heretical to this crowd. It turned out nicely, though."
HE DESTROYED LEGO!!!! GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORKS!!!!! :) :) :)
Complaints about the subject material are null & void; as others have mentioned, the character has been released before in minifig form.
Rather, it seems like the usual crowd complaining, that bemoan the Lego company’s every move...
@fakespacesquid said:
" @legoavenger14 said:
"That would scare a police Horse lol.. but it looks good Terrifyingly good!
Bit unfair that it's a Target exclusive we British don't even have that store.."
It will go through a different retailer in other countries."
Is this confirmed? Got my cousin in FL ready to grab me one today for when I go visit later in the year but if I can get it locally in the UK would be much better.
@Aurium said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
" @legoavenger14 said:
"That would scare a police Horse lol.. but it looks good Terrifyingly good!
Bit unfair that it's a Target exclusive we British don't even have that store.."
It will go through a different retailer in other countries."
Is this confirmed? Got my cousin in FL ready to grab me one today for when I go visit later in the year but if I can get it locally in the UK would be much better."
Ive just seen its on the UK lego store for release May 1st. https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/carnage-76199
@Doctor7501 said:
" @Aurium said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
" @legoavenger14 said:
"That would scare a police Horse lol.. but it looks good Terrifyingly good!
Bit unfair that it's a Target exclusive we British don't even have that store.."
It will go through a different retailer in other countries."
Is this confirmed? Got my cousin in FL ready to grab me one today for when I go visit later in the year but if I can get it locally in the UK would be much better."
Ive just seen its on the UK lego store for release May 1st. https://www.lego.com/en-gb/product/carnage-76199"
Thank you. Just got an email from Huw saying the same.
Noticed the top of the box in the image of the back shows Venom instead of Carnage as per the other images of the box.
Now, which set to buy: Winnie the Pooh, or Carnage? Tough choices...
@Fcboettcher_gmail_com said:
"Lower part looks okay. From the beginning of the eyes upwards it's nowhere near the original.
Hard pass, coming from an absolute Carnage Fan since the Super NES game."
I've been a fan since Amazing Spider-Man 361
@fakespacesquid said:
" @OneOfAll said:
"The guy who invented these country exclusives on such a popular theme MUST BE FIRED!"
It's not a country exclusive at all. It will go through other retailers in different countries."
So why is "only at target" ?
Apparently May 1st in the UK. Also is anyone else tempted to have this be a kaiju-size Carnage between two modular buildings? Would certainly be an imposing foe for Spidey to fight in a display.
I don't really have an issue with a set based off of Carnage, but it certainly does raise some interesting thoughts about Lego's rules for what they make sets off of.
For instance, Halo is off limits because it's an M rated game (though it could honestly be T), yet many comic book characters that they've made have appeared in comic books with obvious adult content, far more explicit than anything found in Halo. Additionally there's TV shows and movies that have much more mature content than something like Halo. Military sets are off limits, which I think is reasonable, but that extends to anything with ties to the military, like the Osprey. However if an obviously military inspired vehicle appears in a licensed property it's suddenly okay. In general the deep foray into licensed themes has kind of opened a can of worms.
Then, of course, there's historical sets with extremely violent history like the Colosseum, but they won't make sets based on historical religious buildings . . . Which is certainly odd.
I don't really have much to add in terms of how I feel about it except that maybe they need to further develop their policy on such things and then adhere to it.
@OneOfAll said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
" @OneOfAll said:
"The guy who invented these country exclusives on such a popular theme MUST BE FIRED!"
It's not a country exclusive at all. It will go through other retailers in different countries."
So why is "only at target" ?"
Only at Target "in the US". I.e. Target promoting that they will be the only retailer carrying this set in the US.
In addition to S @H , the only retailer selling the set in the US will be Target. Similar arangements will happen in other countries. As pointed out by several other people in the thread, the set is already listed on S @H , including in Europe.
Available everywhere on LEGO LEGO.com. In Italy it's available starting 1th of May
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Irrelevant comment: way back when I was in high school, I made a Doctor Doom mask out of sheet metal as part of an art project. I made the rivets on the helmet from Lego studs that I sliced off spare Lego bricks. This is...probably pretty heretical to this crowd. It turned out nicely, though."
That’s actually really cool!
@bekuehn said:
"What in the world?? Of all the characters in the Marvel catalogue, they release this one?
Are we really getting a Carnage bust before they even release a Spiderman bust?
I was really looking forward to seeing what new helmets/ busts would continue in this line, but this is just way different than I was thinking."
Carnage and Venom are some of the most popular characters in comics and Marvel trading cards. Makes sense to me.
I'm fairly certain this is due to him making his cinematic debut in Venom two but I still feel like they'd make more money if they released a venom bust or released two busts of both of the characters. Frankly, that would be a cool way to get some busts. Have the hero and villain of the movie both get busts.
Old guy me glances at this and sees a Power Ranger.
If it looks better in person, this will be my first helmet/bust. Carnage is a keeper!
I'd rather pre-order it target.. Never know if last months lego or sold out 5 minutes.
I have loved the helmets so far but my big question fir this one is WHY?
The only Marvel helmet they have done so far is IronMan. Surely there must be another 25-50 characters that are more popular Carnage before they get around to doing him.
@night13flyer said:
"I'd rather pre-order it target.. Never know if last months lego or sold out 5 minutes."
I ordered it right when it opened at 9am my time, and when I checked again around noon saw it had already sold all its preorders.
@david20009 said:
"I have loved the helmets so far but my big question fir this one is WHY?
The only Marvel helmet they have done so far is IronMan. Surely there must be another 25-50 characters that are more popular Carnage before they get around to doing him. "
Licensing.
Dr. Doom would be incredible. They could do Black Panther, War Machine, Wolverine, Moon Knight, or plenty of others, but Carnage is the one showing up in a movie soon.
@Norikins:
Well...think of it as a murderously psychotic helmet made of sentient, symbiotic space goop wrapped around his even more murderously, even more psychotic, human noggin.
@AustinPowers:
Several people were involved in the decision to produce the Osprey (even in a nonviolent Search and Rescue configuration) even though the company has a long-standing policy of not producing real military stuff. They got called on it, admitted they screwed up, and cancelled the release. Clearly what the company policy is, and employees’ comprehension of what the company policy is, are not perfectly in synch. But they’re not wishy-washy about it like Disney has been of late.
@ijackson:
They’ve used Venom and Carnage in Saturday morning cartoons that are clearly aimed more at kids than adults. Like most comic book villains, you can play them extremely violent and disturbed, or as more of a comical nuisance to society.
@CapnRex101:
I picked up the “Joker” graphic novel that released shortly after The Dark Knight landed in theaters, and that may be an even darker take on the character than Ledger’s portrayal. Then I see stuff like The Laughing Man from Dark Knights: Metal, and have to wonder if that’s even darker.
@imemine98 said:
" @night13flyer said:
"I'd rather pre-order it target.. Never know if last months lego or sold out 5 minutes."
I ordered it right when it opened at 9am my time, and when I checked again around noon saw it had already sold all its preorders. "
I got one, but ty nice know how quick preorders sold out ect
Glad it's getting a wider release than just Target, my heart sank a bit when I first heard that bit of info.
Will definitely be getting this, the helmets are a fantastic line and have enjoyed every one of them so far.
On a different note, 1000 internet points to the first person to make a cool looking hot rod with all those red and black (stickered?) slopes.
another subject noticed
if order bandmate you get
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@ResIpsaLoquitur:
I know exactly what you're talking about, and would like to point out that the price points and level of detail indicate those are really aimed more at adult collectors than kids. As for the weirdness about Soviet toys still being okay, it probably has something to do with the fact that they were our pseudo-ally during WWII, weren't basically dissolved as a nation as a condition of surrender, and have continued to be a major world power in the 75+ years since. Nazi Germany was a vanquished enemy that was stamped out so thoroughly that modern Germany has laws in place to prevent a recurrence.
And I don't remember Punisher _ever_ having "Batman-level popularity". I don't think he's ever even been Top-5 just for Marvel, though he certainly does have a very loyal fandom.
@fakespacesquid:
If this is tied to Venom: Let There Be Carnage (aka Venom 2), it's no surprise that Spiderman isn't included in the mix, since the previous Venom film makes no reference to the character or any part of the MCU, due to the quirkiness of Sony's licensing deal and relationship with Marvel Studios.
@PicnicBasketSam:
Well, if you were doing a 4D sculpture (height, width, length, and time), the space goo that you're seeing probably wouldn't sit still like that, but would instead be shifting around in some manner.
Hold on, I just noticed something extremely odd. In the official images on the set’s page, there’s 2 pictures of the box: one taken from the left-front and one taken from the right-back (or otherwise depending how you view the box). On both of these you can see a bit of the top of the box. So far nothing weird, you say? Well, look at the top again. In one image is shows the ‘Carnage’ text, but in the other you can clearly see the title of the upcoming Venom movie! The only way this could make logical sense irl is that the back of the box is flipped compared to the front, so the top in the photo is actually the underside! However, LEGO has never done such a thing before (to my knowledge at least), so I’m pretty certain it’s just a rendering error. Still pretty funny though, if you ask me!
Why?
According to the LEGO website, this set will be available from April 11, 2021. Perhaps that is only in the US.
It's even uglier than the Iron Man helmet.
Problem with this set is the eyes.
It needs to be big and cover more middle to top.
Large imposing eyes.
These look like Iron Man type slits.
Teeth look good though.
If they do Venom, they NEED to make the eyes very large and follow more the comic style.
US is April 11