First images of Indiana Jones sets!
Posted by Huw,
Rumours of Indiana Jones' return to the LEGO aisle have been circulating for a while and now, thanks to an errant Dutch retailer who has added them to its website ahead of their official reveal, we have pictures of three sets that'll be released in June.
Unfortunately, the images are tiny, so I've had to upscale them. You can view them after the break.
77012 Fighter Plane Chase (€34.99)
77013 Escape from the Lost Tomb (€39.99)
77015 Temple of the Golden Idol (€149.99)
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"I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne!"
Here before the inevitable flood of questions about the Temple of Doom... Got that statement ready, Huw?
@MegaLucario said:
"Here before the inevitable flood of questions about the Temple of Doom... Got that statement ready, Huw?"
Given it's not been announced yet its existence will probably be denied.
So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2
These look nice, and prices look reasonable if the euros translate equally to dollars.
Except... the snakes. I hate snakes!
@StyleCounselor said:
"These look nice, and prices look reasonable if the euros translate equally to dollars.
Except... the snakes. I hate snakes!"
Snakes. Why did it have to be... oh, you know the rest.
haha the enhanced images look funny because they are slightly warped !
Anyway awesome sets!!! A hot and expensive summer is expected...
@Huw said:
" @MegaLucario said:
"Here before the inevitable flood of questions about the Temple of Doom... Got that statement ready, Huw?"
Given it's not been announced yet its existence will probably be denied."
It's been cancelled.
I don't know why, but in recent years the box and set images looks to be mainly renders of the set and not actually built. Is there any explanation to this? Might be cost-saving method?
Anyway, maybe it's just me, but the Temple of the Golden Idol back in 2008 as 7623 was just better, though not in a movie-accurate way.
What a week! We're getting reveals of everything so quickly my wanted list is becoming dramaticly bigger by the day.
Edit: looking at these sets again, it looks like we finally get a 71023 style hat-with-hair piece
Lots of neat play features for the Golden Idol kit.
Many stickers (some prints though) but a day one for me.
The place-holder faces on the minifigures are terrifying lol.
@jockos198 said:
"Anyway, maybe it's just me, but the Temple of the Golden Idol back in 2008 as 7623 was just better, though not in a movie-accurate way."
I haven't decided which one I personally prefer, but it's true that the two sets definitely go for a different approach. 7623 is all about the play features, which I believe make for a very successful playset. 77015 appears to focus on movie accuracy and finer details, perhaps at the sacrifice of extravagant play features. 77015 also seems a lot more vibrant to me, compared to the very earthy tones of 7623. Though it is hard to tell without seeing 77015 in proper detail, I could be completely wrong about what I've said!
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Probably because the V-22 Osprey had a design flaw that would cause Lego bricks to snap.
@jockos198 said:
"I don't know why, but in recent years the box and set images looks to be mainly renders of the set and not actually built. Is there any explanation to this? Might be cost-saving method?
Anyway, maybe it's just me, but the Temple of the Golden Idol back in 2008 as 7623 was just better, though not in a movie-accurate way."
Renders have been a thing since the mid 2000s. I don't know why some sets have them and some don't, or maybe some are so good we can't tell the difference.
@Elite_1 said:
"The place-holder faces on the minifigures are terrifying lol."
They’re not placeholders
77012 needs more seagulls.
Not released until June but already on some store shelves, I guess the original plan was an April release then?
A bit unrelated, but I'm noticing a trend of LEGO vehicles generally widening again since the introduction of the 8 stud wide speed champions. I don't think I really like this...
Was excited to get all 4 sets, unfortunately for whatever reason (unless people actually know) the Temple of Doom set has been cancelled.
Lego have got to stop producing these sets, getting as far as, potentially manufacturing them, but at least going through the whole product development process before someone else at the Lego group vetoes the set. Their annual report didn't make any reference to that chaotic process.
those aren't official are they? they look like low quality leaks that have been sharpened by AI
Edit: so I see read now that they're not official HD pics but the reduction on quality from the AI makes these look very strange
@Huw:
Someone posted an image of these on a store shelf last week, so these aren’t technically the first images, but you could only see a corner of the Well of Souls set.
@jockos198:
They’ve been shifting to CGI package artwork for over two decades. The first Bionicle sets were obviously not photos, since the Toa had impossible poses. It’s probably been a few years since the last set was released with photographed box art.
As for the two temple sets, this has more appealing visuals, but I don’t see how the boulder is meant to work, and there doesn’t seem to be any representation of the arrow trap in the final room. Also, no seaplane.
@Ridgeheart:
John Rhys-Davies picks up another minifig! That’s one that pops up occasionally when lists of actors with multiple minifigs are being compiled because people forget that Sallah never got a minifig the first run.
Given the altered form of the bricks and the minifig faces, these images seem to be AI rendered.
I don't think the boxes are the real ones.
Would have been good if the ball could have rolled along the entire length of the set, looks like that isn't the case :(
Nice of Lego to supply the main characters with hypothetical looking-into-the-Ark-of-the-Covenant faces!
Edit:
It now occurs to me that this is probably the product of an AI upscale? Might account for why it’s decided to replace Marion Ravenwood’s face with that of a small child?!
While I am excited that a new generation gets a chance to buy Indiana Jones classic sets at retail, I actually prefer my vintage IJ sets to these. They're right in my nostalgia zone, but they just look like less for more.
Especially Indy's hair-hat. I find that weird.
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Yeah, to be honest that was a pretty dumb decision. I was pretty surprised that they actually made the jet. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Pilatus P-2 contained pieces from the Messerschmitt Bf-109.
Some of the images on the source website aren't all that bad, and there's actually quite a lot more than what's been upscaled here in this article, including some rear box art, and a very large and clear picture of the minifigs included in the Lost Tomb set. Gives a really good look at the new Indy hat/hair piece.
@Huw had to resize them because the images he had were too small. These are the actual sets and there are some reviews of them on YouTube already. Check out @MandRproductions' review of 77012.
They are melted!
Wild that Lego still hasnt officially announced sets that some people have already gotten their hands on.
I know this isnt the first time its happened, but it does seem to be getting more frequent
@Torrent_Studios said:
" @bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Yeah, to be honest that was a pretty dumb decision. I was pretty surprised that they actually made the jet. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Pilatus P-2 contained pieces from the Messerschmitt Bf-109."
I assume this has already been explained ad nauseam by other people, but LEGO's policy regarding weapons and military equipment is actually crystal clear. They will never produce sets that depict any kind of weapon or military equipment, unless if it is tied to a fantasy-based license, such as Star Wars, Marvel, Lord of the Rings and also Indiana Jones.
For example, LEGO will never ever produce a LEGO model of a tank or military plane, like Cobi does. But since this plane comes from a scene from a licensed movie series, and since that movie series is clearly fantasy/sci-fi based, this plane is not an issue. I can completely understand that logic.
Also, I guess we will never really know why Temple of Doom was canceled, but I guess it has to do with the controversy around that movie and the inherent racism towards Indian people in it. Also, the set did not look that great anyway imho (the original was actually better)
@Hellwing said:
"Given the altered form of the bricks and the minifig faces, these images seem to be AI rendered.
I don't think the boxes are the real ones."
The boxes are real, it's just that the images were up-scaled by Huw so we can see them better, so the faces and small details are a bit distorted.
I agree the old Temple of Doom is better, but that center-piece statue in the new one was pretty impressive.
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Apples and oranges. Messerschmitt no longer exist and Lego directly licensed it from Disney, and it's used contextually as part of a scene in a film. In contrast, the V22 was licensed directly from Boeing and Bell so sales do contribute to the companies. Like someone mentioned, there's also the issue with a design flaw in the set.
@Bulletbob said:
" @Hellwing said:
"Given the altered form of the bricks and the minifig faces, these images seem to be AI rendered.
I don't think the boxes are the real ones."
The boxes are real, it's just that the images were up-scaled by Huw so we can see them better, so the faces and small details are a bit distorted."
OK, my bad :)
Having bought the original wave, I’m not seeing much here that’s enough of an improvement to warrant buying them.
I really want lego to release 77014 , maybe it was delayed or cancelled because of a faulty build or design?
The face of Marion is especially warped.
Otherwise looks like some fun sets. Even like the Kaukau design they snuck in there.
@ChromedCat said:
"I really want lego to release 77014 , maybe it was delayed or cancelled because of a faulty build or design?"
It is almost certainly canceled. My guess is because of the accusations of racism towards the movie. I do not necessarily agree that Temple of Doom was intentionally racist, but let's say that it provides a very clichéd, caricatural and completely inaccurate view of Indian (Hndu) culture. Let's say that this movie would not be made today the way that it was made in the 80s. I still like it, but I can kind of understand why LEGO is so strict about the risk of being accused of any type of racism. It is just a pity that they again canceled a set so late in the development cycle. It is almost as if different LEGO departments don't talk to each other.
@Huw said:
" @MegaLucario said:
"Here before the inevitable flood of questions about the Temple of Doom... Got that statement ready, Huw?"
Given it's not been announced yet its existence will probably be denied."
Yet the description on this dutch website mentions it in the other Indy sets descriptions:
More adventure – Look out for the Fighter Plane Chase (77012), The Temple of Doom (77014) and Temple of the Golden Idol (77015) LEGO Indiana Jones sets
Nice, that Tomb might be useful for a museum section alongside that plane.
@ChromedCat said:
"I really want lego to release 77014 , maybe it was delayed or cancelled because of a faulty build or design?"
Out of 5 occurrences it happened just once, the odds tell me this is wishful thinking.
@FARLANDER said:
"haha the enhanced images look funny because they are slightly warped !
Anyway awesome sets!!! A hot and expensive summer is expected...
"
Yeah, they look like something made by an AI image generator.
@MrBedhead said:
"It is almost as if different LEGO departments don't talk to each other."
Won't be the first or last time that that happens in a large organization.
@MrBedhead said:
" @Torrent_Studios said:
" @bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Yeah, to be honest that was a pretty dumb decision. I was pretty surprised that they actually made the jet. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Pilatus P-2 contained pieces from the Messerschmitt Bf-109."
I assume this has already been explained ad nauseam by other people, but LEGO's policy regarding weapons and military equipment is actually crystal clear. They will never produce sets that depict any kind of weapon or military equipment, unless if it is tied to a fantasy-based license, such as Star Wars, Marvel, Lord of the Rings and also Indiana Jones.
For example, LEGO will never ever produce a LEGO model of a tank or military plane, like Cobi does. But since this plane comes from a scene from a licensed movie series, and since that movie series is clearly fantasy/sci-fi based, this plane is not an issue. I can completely understand that logic.
Also, I guess we will never really know why Temple of Doom was canceled, but I guess it has to do with the controversy around that movie and the inherent racism towards Indian people in it. Also, the set did not look that great anyway imho (the original was actually better)
"
That is understandable, but why did Lego go through all the licensing agreements, product development, manufacturer and shipment only to cancel it due to their policy?
Again with the Temple of Doom, they do all of this and then cancel it afterwards?
Lego aren't producing adult or military themes and then cancelling them at the end, they don't even waste time on the product development. Their policy is known upfront, so that's why I don't believe it is Lego's policy on adult and military themes that sees sets cancelled.
MrBedhead wrote :
"I assume this has already been explained ad nauseam by other people, but LEGO's policy regarding weapons and military equipment is actually crystal clear. They will never produce sets that depict any kind of weapon or military equipment, unless if it is tied to a fantasy-based license, such as Star Wars, Marvel, Lord of the Rings and also Indiana Jones.
For example, LEGO will never ever produce a LEGO model of a tank or military plane, like Cobi does. But since this plane comes from a scene from a licensed movie series, and since that movie series is clearly fantasy/sci-fi based, this plane is not an issue. I can completely understand that logic.
Also, I guess we will never really know why Temple of Doom was canceled, but I guess it has to do with the controversy around that movie and the inherent racism towards Indian people in it. Also, the set did not look that great anyway imho (the original was actually better)"
If it's so crystal clear how come you get it wrong then? TLG have indeed produced very real actual military vehicles over and over through decades
The policy is NOT to produce CURRENT military vehicles/sets so children cannot play N vs S Korea or whatever hotspot that's going on right now
TLG NEVER (as in post 1978) had a problem with weapons or fancifull military vehicles/sets, tied to an IP or not
(I apologize for screwing up the quote function!)
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
I will never forgive Lego for taking that away. Now all that’s left is a couple sets that scalpers are trying to sell for £500+. Absolutely abysmal.
@MrBedhead said:
" @ChromedCat said:
"I really want lego to release 77014 , maybe it was delayed or cancelled because of a faulty build or design?"
It is almost certainly canceled. My guess is because of the accusations of racism towards the movie. I do not necessarily agree that Temple of Doom was intentionally racist, but let's say that it provides a very clichéd, caricatural and completely inaccurate view of Indian (Hndu) culture. Let's say that this movie would not be made today the way that it was made in the 80s. I still like it, but I can kind of understand why LEGO is so strict about the risk of being accused of any type of racism. It is just a pity that they again canceled a set so late in the development cycle. It is almost as if different LEGO departments don't talk to each other."
I would hope that they find the ripping out of a beating heart more worrying than any perceived racism.
@Rimefang said:
"While I am excited that a new generation gets a chance to buy Indiana Jones classic sets at retail, I actually prefer my vintage IJ sets to these. They're right in my nostalgia zone, but they just look like less for more.
Especially Indy's hair-hat. I find that weird."
I definitely prefer the Arks tomb and plane because the old versions were plain terrible. The car might be better than the design in the Lego Indy games but I have yet to check it out more thoroughly. The new opening scene tomb looks far better but needs improvements in some aspects like a longer area for the boulder. I welcome these but most of the older designs still hold up or will hold up with slight modifications. The only area I see issues with are the minifigures. The shirts are more detailed which offers a nice alternative to the standard Indy but Jones Sr., Belloq and Satipo don't offer enough to warrant replacements. Only Marion, Sallah and the Pilot are nice additions and Marion especially had a rather bad design in the first round.
I will be getting the Tomb of the Ark and one or two of the plane sets depending on how many of those Indy with tie figures are in new movie based sets. Temple of Doom is the one set I missed in the first round that I regret and it would have been nice to get it in the second attempt with a true mine cart racetrack in one package but if Lego really wants to just cancel it I will have no issue customizing figures and builds with the 2008 games designs. Overall the line wasn't necessary as we already got all the designs and will never see the Hatay tank be made into a set. I already made the decision to customize my missing items eventually and now getting updated designs for just three sets and scenes is so meager an offering that they may as well not have bothered. It would have been easy to just get the new Temple of Doom and be happy with it for once, but canceling it with so few other items doesn't make a difference as it already was a shadow of the former line. The only items that deserve to be missed from are the updated Marion dress and german plane and maybe the chance to get a Mola Ram without paying 40 bucks for his hat
Here's my theory for the Temple of Doom's cancellation: Based on the leaked images, a statue of Kali was to be included as the centrepiece. As Kali is an actual religious figure, it somewhat makes sense why LEGO has delayed/cancelled it (No religion). But why Kali and not a WWII Fighter Plane? Beats me.
Regardless, I want all of these. If you couldn't tell by my username, Raiders is my all time favourite film and I have a soft spot for the Indiana Jones series. I predict an expensive few months ahead, but I think I would have chosen... wisely.
Interested in the faces though: Does this mean we're getting a set based on the opening of Ark at the end of Raiders?
Aw man I know my kids would love a Temple of Doom set, especially if it had a functional lowering cage and a little trap door for Mola Ram!
That would’ve been amazing! Oh and gators!
Oh well. That convertible from Last Crusade looks good.
Little disappointed that 77013 doesn't seem to have the R2 and 3PO Easter egg from 7621. (And by extension, from Raiders itself.) I definitely want it (and 77012, as I loved 7198, so it's nice to get another version of at least one of those planes), though. I like its upgrade to Marion's torch. I want 77015 too, but considering its price and size, I'm not sure if I'll get it. The other two, though, I'm definitely planning to get.
@Fodder: It also needs an umbrella for Henry Jones.
@TheOtherMike said:
"Little disappointed that 77013 doesn't seem to have the R2 and 3PO Easter egg from 7621. (And by extension, from Raiders itself.)"
It's there.
Great retailer this one! The shop notes the sets will come june 1, while the rumoured date was april 1, and they have been on shelves in some stores! (plenty of pictures on the internet).
Something must have gone terribly wrong at TLG. Not mentioning the act of stupidity regarding the cancellation (?) of temple of doom. Set already been in production ...
So... let me think. If LEGO want to make a decent wave out of these Indiana Jones sets, it should at least give us ONE set of the temple of doom film. Just give us some cave with lava (also: Ninjago Skull Sorcerer's season) and some kind of rollercoaster and the minifigs (Short Round, Molo Ram !!) and i'll gladly buy it.
Skip the statue if you must, but let me say, who cares about these religion issues? For those who do not yet know: the Indiana Jones franchise completely belongs to the fantasy and fiction department! (ok, based on some history/myths, ...)
I never expected these but i like 'em. especially the temple of the golden idol.
Why is there a photo of a baby's face superimposed on the Marion Minifigure? You can see it if you zoom in on the set photo.
The plane chase is an interesting choice given the controversial nature of the content. The tomb set looks fun, but also less charming than the original. The temple diorama looks great, but isn’t worth anything like the price tag IMO. The revamped 77014 that we hear now has been cancelled (April 1st release dates not withstanding) could have had a lot of play value.
I love the films and the original sets, so I’m feeling rather underwhelmed by these offerings. With the right sets I could have bought all four, close to a day one purchase. But I’m afraid these are an easy pass for me.
If you truly love LEGO + Indiana Jones then you should get yourself a copy of the two PlayStation games and play those. The original one is wickedly good fun, even today, despite its age. And it’s jam-packed full of imaginative models and characters from the films. Travellers Takes pulled a blinder with their releases (SW x2, HP x2, PotC, IJ x2, Batman)
@RaiderOfTheLostBrick said:
"Here's my theory for the Temple of Doom's cancellation: Based on the leaked images, a statue of Kali was to be included as the centrepiece. As Kali is an actual religious figure, it somewhat makes sense why LEGO has delayed/cancelled it (No religion). But why Kali and not a WWII Fighter Plane? Beats me."
Honestly I think this theory makes the most sense of any I have heard. Lego has ALWAYS been pretty clear cut in not depicting any religious symbols or iconography, and if memory serves they’ve altered or canceled sets before because of it.
It also strikes me as an error that could make its way through the design process without anyone noticing. Unless you know TEMPLE OF DOOM pretty well, it’s easy to forget that the Thuggee are Kali-worshipping extremists. And the statue in their temple isn’t just a creepy statue, but a depiction of a diety that’s a central figure in a major world religion.
While ToD has a number of elements that make it poorly suited for a children’s toy line, I can see Lego looking past the whole “human sacrifice” angle if the set were properly marked as 14+. The movie is PG-13 after all.
But selling a product with religious iconography would be a serious no-no for them, and I can see them spiking the set over a last minute realization like that.
I have been looking forward to the Indiana Jones sets since they were rumoured - have two sets from the original run and felt they were really excellent playsets when constructed.
Which two did I have? The two that have been reimagined here, the lost tomb and the golden idol... even then I am slightly tempted to get the new ones even though I'm not sure they are significant upgrades.
I hope that a) the new film is good (somewhat worried post Crystal Skull) and that we get some fun, feature loaded sets to tie in to it.
@Ridgeheart and @MrClassic: I'm still not seeing them, but I'll take you word for it.
Lego can't have religious symbols, but there's a brick-built Ark of the Covenant? Everyone knows what that's from, right?
I would love for them to do a set depicting the climax of Raiders of the Lost Ark. A nice detailed Ark of the Covenant, the Shekhinah (though some might see that as a graven image and therefore sacrilegious), and Belloq in the garments of the High Priest. Such a Belloq minifigure would go great in my planned Temple of Jerusalem MOC.
"Asps. Very dangerous. You go first."
@ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Lego can't have religious symbols, but there's a brick-built Ark of the Covenant? Everyone knows what that's from, right?"
It’s from the Old Testament, yeah, but nobody really worships the Ark of the Covenant nor does it figure prominently as a symbol in Judaism or Christianity, like the Star of David or crucifix.
Also, presumably, there actually WAS an Ark of the Covenant. So it’s not just a religious artifact but a historic one as well.
Sometimes religion and history intersect. But a depiction of Kali is akin to a Lego set prominently featuring a statue of Jesus.
And not just Jesus but, like…. An evil, corrupted version of Jesus. That’s not nearly the same thing as a fictional depiction of a religious artifact that nobody has seen in thousands of years.
"LEGO will never ever produce a LEGO model of a tank or military plane, like Cobi does. "
I'm reasonably sure I have a Lego Sopwith Camel, bought in the last 10 years.
Absolutely can't wait to own these sets. Surprised Lego hasn't added the theme to their website yet. I was hoping they would be out in April at the latest.
@Huw I wonder if "AI upscalled" images could have an indicator or visible watermark on them. That way we'd all know the image has been post processed by Brickset. This is only going to become more of an issue as the upscalling software becomes more advanced and convincing. I'm definitely in favour of what you're trying to do, but the baby face shows this can work out to be quite misleading. Personally, I'm not a fan of the AI upscaling as I prefer seeing the original images and allow my brain to fill the gaps, but I understand that other people quite like them. The indicator/watermark might be a good compromise. It will certainly help people work out why the details are a little strange sometimes.
@Mr_Hankey said:
"A bit unrelated, but I'm noticing a trend of LEGO vehicles generally widening again since the introduction of the 8 stud wide speed champions. I don't think I really like this... "
I'm a big fan of the 8-wide Speed Champions but the proportions on this car just look wrong. It was probably needed to seat junior and senior together.
@Goujon said:
"I will never forgive Lego for taking that away. Now all that’s left is a couple sets that scalpers are trying to sell for £500+. Absolutely abysmal. "
Get over it already... You have no idea how many concepts have been developed internally that have been 'taken away' and never made it into shops. Why cry over this one?
@Rimefang said:
"While I am excited that a new generation gets a chance to buy Indiana Jones classic sets at retail, I actually prefer my vintage IJ sets to these. They're right in my nostalgia zone, but they just look like less for more.
Especially Indy's hair-hat. I find that weird."
Totally agree. Noticed that hair under his fedora too. I was hoping for more from this new wave of sets. Maybe there will be more?
Wonder if the wings of the plane will come off easily...
@WemWem said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Lego can't have religious symbols, but there's a brick-built Ark of the Covenant? Everyone knows what that's from, right?"
It’s from the Old Testament, yeah, but nobody really worships the Ark of the Covenant nor does it figure prominently as a symbol in Judaism or Christianity, like the Star of David or crucifix.
Also, presumably, there actually WAS an Ark of the Covenant. So it’s not just a religious artifact but a historic one as well.
Sometimes religion and history intersect. But a depiction of Kali is akin to a Lego set prominently featuring a statue of Jesus.
And not just Jesus but, like…. An evil, corrupted version of Jesus. That’s not nearly the same thing as a fictional depiction of a religious artifact that nobody has seen in thousands of years."
I don't think it is accurate to claim that the Ark of the Covenant does not figure prominently as a symbol in Judaism. It is frequently used as a motif in Judaic art and ritual objects. For example, I own an Etrog Box (you can look up what that is on Wikipedia) that is a miniaturized ark. I lost it once and had to go on a raid.
I have to admit the statue of Kali theory sounds both reasonable and plausible!
Personally I just want the minifigs from 77012, last crusade is one of my all time favourite movies!
@Doctor_Hugh said:
" @MrBedhead said:
" @ChromedCat said:
"I really want lego to release 77014 , maybe it was delayed or cancelled because of a faulty build or design?"
It is almost certainly canceled. My guess is because of the accusations of racism towards the movie. I do not necessarily agree that Temple of Doom was intentionally racist, but let's say that it provides a very clichéd, caricatural and completely inaccurate view of Indian (Hndu) culture. Let's say that this movie would not be made today the way that it was made in the 80s. I still like it, but I can kind of understand why LEGO is so strict about the risk of being accused of any type of racism. It is just a pity that they again canceled a set so late in the development cycle. It is almost as if different LEGO departments don't talk to each other."
I would hope that they find the ripping out of a beating heart more worrying than any perceived racism. "
And also Nazi Germany at the time of Indiana Jones were not racist at all...
These gotta be ai generated or something lol
The woman’s face in 77013
"Who worked on these sets?", says Indy
"Top men"
(And women, I'm sure........)
Eek... 77012 sure makes me glad that I've branched out into Cobi for military-type planes.
@MegaBlocks said:
"Probably because the V-22 Osprey had a design flaw that would cause Lego bricks to snap."
This hypothesis does not hold water, and has not done so since it was first circulated as a random rumor of circumstance. The flaw was shown here on Brickset and plenty of other places to be extraordinarily easy to permanently fix with just a few parts, and LEGO could easily have done exactly as they did with Wall-E & issued a production update plus service pack for buyers of the first batch.
The V-22 was and is a full-on licensed, realistic replica of a 100% real, modern, military-only piece of equipment designed under military contract and operated solely by modern military bodies. Every element of that sentence is a clear violation of LEGO's policies and the most logical reason the product was pulled once the family learned of it. It should never have been designed in the first place, much less produced. The Danish Bubble Effect had unfortunately struck again, and the entire approval chain in Billund somehow convinced themselves that adding a little orange and a "rescue" sticker made a weapon of war into... something else.
After looking at these images, if the graphics in the Temple Of The Golden Idol doesn’t look like they were created in felt tip on acid I’m going to be immensely disappointed.
@theJANG said:
" @MegaBlocks said:
"The V-22 was and is a full-on licensed, realistic replica of a 100% real, modern, military-only piece of equipment designed under military contract and operated solely by modern military bodies. Every element of that sentence is a clear violation of LEGO's policies and the most logical reason the product was pulled once the family learned of it. "
Again I don't buy it. Why? Because to enter into a licensing agreement requires a lot of lawyers and a legal department. As well as the fact that they are entering into an agreement with military firms. Risk management would've been all over it."
I have a same feeling regarding to 77012 as many other sets recently. I do not understand what is target group? This set is ugly to be a collector set, it is definitely a play set. Modern kids has no idea what heck is Indiana Jones. So why would want to play with it? Than who will buy it?
Well that's one way to introduce a Luftwaffe aircraft with a pilot, while making both look generic to avoid any association with Nazism. I only wish the pilot minifig had dual moulded legs (Luftwaffe pilots wore boots), just to compensate for the lack of detail.
Other than that I'm pleased to see the Indiana Jones theme making a comeback after so many years. Damn I feel old.
Please, just leave the images at low resolution next time, we know that HD versions of the images will come sooner rather than later; the AI upscaling just makes them look messier and less representative of the true products.
I understand the motivation to provide larger images, but these "AI" upscales are terrible at best and a gross misrepresentation of the product at worst.
@Duq said:
"Totally agree. Noticed that hair under his fedora too. I was hoping for more from this new wave of sets. Maybe there will be more?
Wonder if the wings of the plane will come off easily..."
I've got great news, held in with Technic pins, it's a very fun action feature
@Librarian1976 said:
" @WemWem said:
I don't think it is accurate to claim that the Ark of the Covenant does not figure prominently as a symbol in Judaism. It is frequently used as a motif in Judaic art and ritual objects. For example, I own an Etrog Box (you can look up what that is on Wikipedia) that is a miniaturized ark. I lost it once and had to go on a raid."
Apologies, I was unaware of this. I’m not an expert on Judaism or any religion so excuse my ignorance and I apologize if I caused offense.
In that case perhaps it’s not a coincidence that the “Escape from the Tomb” remake set doesn’t include the ark while the original set did.
Or why the original truck chase set was called “Race for the Stolen Treasure.”
I would like to throw my hat into the ring regarding Temple of Doom.
1.) It's fiction. Even with it's supposed problematic elements in it's depiction of India, it's a movie. A movie with brainwashing blood potions and rocks that can be heated up by the gods probably isn't the best way to get information about a country.
2.) The religious imagery. The movie makes it very clear that the Thugee are a messed-up cult being led by an evil person. The religion Mola Ram is leading is messed up because he made it so.
3.) No one cared when they made the statue a boss fight in the LEGO Indiana Jones games. No one cares that a LEGO Ark of the Covenant is a main feature of multiple Indy sets. I doubt the religious imagery is a reason why they would scrap a set given how much of the franchise is based on finding religious artifacts.
4.) Temple of Doom is no more violent than Jurassic Park. Sure, the heart-ripping scene is infamous, but we literally are getting a set of the scene where Nedry was violently killed by a dinosaur. LEGO also has a tongue-in-cheek way of alluding to the violent scene by having a cylinder piece with a heart printed on it in older sets.
If the set for Temple of Doom were cancelled, I have a theory as to why. The first Temple of Doom set focused primarily on the mine cart tracks. Without going too much into leaks I've seen, the new set focuses more on the platform with the statue and sacrificial alter. I could see the mine cart being fine, but a sacrificial altar... might be a bit much for a toy that's aimed at children when all is said and done.
If the set does get canned, then that raises some serious questions. Why did it get that far? Did no one stop and think "maybe this isn't the best idea for a kids toy?". It's also frustrating because it just keeps highlighting LEGO's inconsistency with what is and isn't okay for their brand. If it was so problematic, why did the set get far along into production to allow leaks to happen?
This decision to AI upscale the images is baffling to me. I think they should have stayed at the original resolution. Also, thank you JANG for your always level-headed takes.
Also, wait, it could be the upscaler being screwy, but that kinda looks like 77013 has a reference to the Kanohi Kaukau (part 32571) in one of the decorations? Feel free to correct me if that particular marking is based on a carving seen in the movie proper; I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of everything written on the walls in that scene.
I like Bionicle references in sets but it is very weird to pull something like that in a licensed Indiana Jones set instead of, say, an Adventurers / Orient Expedition set.
Don’t know why the upscaling was necessary. Images aren’t any clearer than the originals.
Can't wait for these! The first wave of Indy sets came out in my dark age, and I've been waiting for another wave for the last 6 years.
Hey, everyone: before you comment about the quality of the images, why don't you READ WHAT HUW WROTE? It's just a total of eight lines; it shouldn't take long.
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
How many times people will need to hear that Lego's policy is against military vehicles in CURRENT SERVICE and not for military vehicles OUT OF SERVICE? Not to mention the context, as this is a set based on a movie.
Also, from I what I read yesterday in some Reddit subs, the prices will increase before release. With 77013 being the biggest offender, going from $40 to $80. Amazing, right? But Lego needs soooo much to increase the prices for the sake of their future... they are just a small toy company, much like Nintendo is a small indie game company...
Come on, no one? Ok:
"Indy! Cover your wallet!"
I speculate that the reason for the apparent delay from April 1st to June 1st is because they need to reprint the instructions without any images of 77014.
@loftmanukjnr said:
" @Huw I wonder if "AI upscalled" images could have an indicator or visible watermark on them. That way we'd all know the image has been post processed by Brickset. This is only going to become more of an issue as the upscalling software becomes more advanced and convincing. I'm definitely in favour of what you're trying to do, but the baby face shows this can work out to be quite misleading. Personally, I'm not a fan of the AI upscaling as I prefer seeing the original images and allow my brain to fill the gaps, but I understand that other people quite like them. The indicator/watermark might be a good compromise. It will certainly help people work out why the details are a little strange sometimes."
Good point. I'll do so next time.
They've done some very macabre scenes in Harry Potter and other IPs, @PixelTheDragon, even releasing Stranger Things content, so a sacrificial altar shouldn't keep them from releasing it. I agree with others, just set the recommended age to 13/14 (as in PG-13).
Same with the religious rationale for canceling, @WemWem. The original three Indiana Jones movies are almost all about religion, particularly Judaism/Christianity, but if we allow for a historical perspective, the Mayan idol depicts a religious figure, and so do the Egyptian statues. As with military vehicles/equipment, if religious symbolism is attached to an IP, Lego should be OK to depict it. It's just part of the IP. Lego shouldn't try to sanitize away religion from something like Indiana Jones, they miss the plot of the movies.
Lol. I don't know what's going on with Marian's face, but it's hilarious!
@ao_ka said:
"How many times people will need to hear that Lego's policy is against military vehicles in CURRENT SERVICE and not for military vehicles OUT OF SERVICE?"
That's incorrect. The policy covers any militaria from WWII and beyond; service status is immaterial. The excuse they must be using here is the same they used for the very in-service US TOW-equipped HMMWV included (admittedly slightly obscured in design) in 76003 : The depiction is in a fantasy context (because like you said, it's a movie, and a fictional one at that). It's a thin argument, easy to counter, and highlights the question as to what the LEGO military policy actually accomplishes from a moral or ethical standpoint, if anything. They should by all means "stick to their guns" (ha) and continue to follow their policy, but the policy itself is quite weak these days.
@WemWem said:
" @RaiderOfTheLostBrick said:
"Here's my theory for the Temple of Doom's cancellation: Based on the leaked images, a statue of Kali was to be included as the centrepiece. As Kali is an actual religious figure, it somewhat makes sense why LEGO has delayed/cancelled it (No religion). But why Kali and not a WWII Fighter Plane? Beats me."
Honestly I think this theory makes the most sense of any I have heard. Lego has ALWAYS been pretty clear cut in not depicting any religious symbols or iconography, and if memory serves they’ve altered or canceled sets before because of it.
It also strikes me as an error that could make its way through the design process without anyone noticing. Unless you know TEMPLE OF DOOM pretty well, it’s easy to forget that the Thuggee are Kali-worshipping extremists. And the statue in their temple isn’t just a creepy statue, but a depiction of a diety that’s a central figure in a major world religion."
I'm sure we'll never know their true reasons for cancelling the Temple of Doom set, but Lego isn't as virtuous as they think they are about not representing religious items in their sets. The glaring example on this very page is that 77013 Escape from the Lost Tomb has two statues of Anubis, an Egyptian *deity*. The Lego designers might say "Anubis isn't real" but Anubis isn't a fictional character created for the Indiana Jones movie. The second glaring hypocritical example is also on this page, the inclusion of the Ark of the Covenant. And as others have mentioned, the Monkie Kid line is full of Chinese deities. Lego produced 21056 Taj Mahal which includes a mosque.
@theJANG : the vehicle in 76003 has four wheels and a missile launcher. That's pretty much all it has in common with a TOW-equipped HMMWV. "Slightly obscured"? Ha.
I really don't need these sets but I REALLY need these sets :-)
@smeghead28 said:
"Would have been good if the ball could have rolled along the entire length of the set, looks like that isn't the case :(
"
But WHY WOULD IT? It’s not the case in the movie either…
These are really cool but they would've been cooler and cheaper if they were made as Adventurer sets.
I always enjoy coming here and seeing all the debate around policy, design choices, and how people feel personally wronged. It’s quite amusing.
Huw literally said in the single paragraph at the top that he upscaled it. Unless that sentence was added later?
These are a “first look” and if you really want better images they are readily available on other corners of the internet.
I have several of the old Indiana Jones lego sets so I am definitely interested in these new sets.
I'll spare my full thoughts until the official reveal, but I might pick up the tomb and plane chase. My biggest concern is the price. The plane chase was originally listed at $35, but I suspect they'll bump the price up.
@graymattr
The Taj Mahal is strictly a tomb, NOT a mosque.
Others have already said this, but I feel strongly enough to add my support - the images should not have been upscaled, they're actually worse than the originals.
Guess my new LEGO AI project may be upscaling LEGO sets images, maybe that will be a little less controversial. ;)
Awesome! I have always wanted an Alfred Molina mini-fig to go with my Doc Ock from Spiderman 2.
I need to watch this movie now.
I mean, they look pretty decent overall. I don't know if I technically need any thankfully. I wouldn't mind some of the figures since I grew up loving these movies. But the sets, I'm torn. I don't play or build most official sets and I have so many other expenses this year, I may have to pass. But I think the designers did a pretty solid job overall.
I love the Indiana Jones movies with all my heart, but am I the only one who has zero interest in these?
They don't look very interesting to display or that fun to build.
¯\_(?)_/¯
@smeghead28:
Why? It didn’t in the movie. In the movie, the traps they encounter on the way in are the spear trap (triggered by some sort of computerized optical sensor, apparently), the pit trap, and the arrow trap (triggered by stepping on the wrong tiles). On the way out, Indy just outruns the arrow trap, gets past the pit trap, encounters the door trap for the first time, finds Satipo at the spear trap, and only then does he see the boulder rolling down from above. The boulder in both versions of this set is located where we first see it in the film, even if, in-story, it rolls the entire length of the temple before we first see it.
@1974:
The policy was supposed to be “modern military weapons”. This was, to my understanding, supposed to include any weapons from the 1900’s, and now including the 2000’s. The first chink in the rule was when LEGO Direct released a Sopwith Camel and the Red Baron’s tri-plane, plus I think the guns designed for the Batman and Indiana Jones themes might step over the line. The Osprey is primarily used for Search & Rescue, and is generally only armed when used for troop deployments and extractions (and then only to provide cover fire for the troops).
One other difference here is that the military vehicles of Indiana Jones are rarely, if ever, real. The Flying Wing was based on a concept sketch that never made it to the prototype stage. The tank was a real British tank that was modified to look different (specifically, I know the plot-important side guns were fake), but was never based on any real German tank. This fighter plane was a Swiss trainer (that Germany admittedly did use for training pilots) that was subbed in for either a German fighter (which it looks like) or a German dive-bomber (which it looks nothing like). The biplane was a Belgian tourer/trainer that was subbed in for a different German plane. True to the spirit of the Hollywood serials that inspired them, the Indiana Jones film scripts call for specific vehicles, while the production department scratched up whatever they could find that sorta got the point across, knowing that the vast majority of viewers wouldn’t know it was wrong.
Hair hat Indy looks very playmobll sorry for swearing.
@Noahcat1 said:
" @jockos198 said:
"Anyway, maybe it's just me, but the Temple of the Golden Idol back in 2008 as 7623 was just better, though not in a movie-accurate way."
I haven't decided which one I personally prefer, but it's true that the two sets definitely go for a different approach. 7623 is all about the play features, which I believe make for a very successful playset. 77015 appears to focus on movie accuracy and finer details, perhaps at the sacrifice of extravagant play features. 77015 also seems a lot more vibrant to me, compared to the very earthy tones of 7623. Though it is hard to tell without seeing 77015 in proper detail, I could be completely wrong about what I've said!"
There's actually a lot of clever play functions built into the new set 77015. Nicely integrated an activatex with the printed (!) round bricks at the bottom of each vignette.
Oh look, it's all the sets I already own... (again).
Really don't like the AI upscaled images. The leaked photos look better in my opinion.
At last, official pictures!
LEGO really be like "wanna buy the sets you already have ... TWICE?"
@560heliport said:
" @theJANG : the vehicle in 76003 has four wheels and a missile launcher. That's pretty much all it has in common with a TOW-equipped HMMWV. "Slightly obscured"? Ha."
Well, in the movie it's definitely a Humvee, so like. One could assume the vehicle in the same color scheme which shares the same place in the set as the vehicle did in the movie is intended to be that vehicle. I'd say 'slightly obscured' is a perfectly reasonable way to put it
These AI upscaled images are atrocious.
@CHARIZORDO said:
"I need to watch this movie now."
Which one?
Leave them blurry, the original pictures, the 'upscaling' looks terrible. Geez.
@jockos1
"Anyway, maybe it's just me, but the Temple of the Golden Idol back in 2008 as 7623 was just better, though not in a movie-accurate way."
I have the original and still on display for like 15 years. This one has more accurate depictions especially of the wall with the dart traps. The original looks longer more space than this one (just seeing the photos mind you of the new one).
The trap mechanisms are very nice but the original is really a great kids playset. More playable than this. This one is for us big kids to display and show some of the functions.
The original set, better for kids BUT still a nice display overall, and you get a plane with Jock the pilot as well. And gold coins too ;)
@TheOtherMike:
Don’t count it out yet! In Raiders, the glyph was actually located on a vertical pillar near the sarcophagus that held the Ark, so the previous set got the placement all wrong. This set has it, that golden arch seems a likely location. One side is hidden, and the other is upscaled to the point where I can’t identify anything.
@WemWem:
And yet this appears to be the third time they’ll represent the Ark of the Covenant in this theme. And it’s got two Egyptian statues that likely represent one god or another.
Behind the golden arch, I see what I have to assume is the Ark. In this set, it makes sense, since it was still down there when Sallah descended. In the original version, it made less sense. Sallah was not included, and Marion only got thrown in after the Ark was raised to the surface.
And yes, the original run’s truck chase did also include the Ark, albeit in a different form than the Well of Souls set.
@Librarian1976:
Don’t forget all the R2-D2 lamps!
@Bricktuary:
They made three. Two big, one little. The first big one is old enough to drink.
@theJANG:
The Osprey livery did at least have a legitimate basis. It was used on a prototype of the earlier version of the aircraft, before it became a military project and one of the original companies dropped out. Still doesn’t make it not-an-Osprey, but it’s not like they just made up the livery.
@PixelTheDragon:
The heart was ripped out in closeup, while all you see of Nedry’s death is the movie’s main hero lunging at him before it cuts to the Jeep shaking. By all logic, The Dark Knight should be R-rated, but they were constantly framing the shots so you never quite see the graphic violence.
Reading up if Lego is then using this policy to have a WWII fighter plane (juniorized of course) since it's in a 'fantasy' movie, then there should be NO problem with having a Mark VII tank and scene, with all the characters there (some would be new figs), horses, etc., which would make an exciting playset and display as well.
No problem right Lego? Or some b-s excuse will come from them and the fandom reciting their hypocritical policy ad nauseam.
@GBP_Chris said:
"LEGO really be like "wanna buy the sets you already have ... TWICE?""
True to a point. Like Star Wars fans, they love their different iterations of the same Lego vehicle for more than 20 years now.
With Indy, the original sets many people missed out on are going for high dollar, so these are all reasonably priced for that crowd that missed them the first time around.
I think they should do the 'missing' scenes from their first run and those would sell well.
-Petra with all the traps leading to the Grail-Knight.
-The Circus train. Would make a fabulous set.
- Mark VII tank scene.
- Rope Bridge showdown from Temple of Doom.
@PixelTheDragon do you prefer your slice of Johnny Depp rare or well done 4182
I understand your statement but the lego logic is sometimes hard to understand.
The Temple of the Golden Idol will go great with the other classic movie dioramas from Star Wars and Jurassic Park!
@TheIronBadger said:
" @CHARIZORDO said:
"I need to watch this movie now."
Which one?"
Fanboys? Gotta be.
I'm upset about the cancellation of 77014 The Temple of Doom. I can't understand why the theme returned at all if they were so concerned about religious iconography, heck the whole franchise centres around it. Hopefully, given how late they pulled the plug, they will try and recoup their initial investment by releasing the figures in a future set.
Regardless, I think the rest of the builds are great. In my opinion they should make an 18+ diorama like they did with the Temple of the Golden Idol for each of the three films. It'd be amazing to display all three together and they could all include play-features like the Temple of the Golden Idol did.
The only good set is the chase one, what a joke. Also new Indy looks somehow worse than previous fig, lmao
I don't care too much about Indianapolis Jones, but the WW2 era planes and vehicles really tickle my fancy, so I might grab that first set
tbh i wouldve rather had the original pixelated images, these upscales just look really bad.
@PurpleDave said:
" @smeghead28:
Why? It didn’t in the movie. In the movie, the traps they encounter on the way in are the spear trap (triggered by some sort of computerized optical sensor, apparently), the pit trap, and the arrow trap (triggered by stepping on the wrong tiles). On the way out, Indy just outruns the arrow trap, gets past the pit trap, encounters the door trap for the first time, finds Satipo at the spear trap, and only then does he see the boulder rolling down from above. The boulder in both versions of this set is located where we first see it in the film, even if, in-story, it rolls the entire length of the temple before we first see it. "
Perhaps @smeghead28 was confusing the awesome "UHF" parody of the ball scene. I know I do. That one rolls a long, long way.
I’ll I really want is a official reason for 77014 not being released. I hate when we don’t get clarity.
$240 Aud for 77105. Nope. Not paying that much.
@Huw said:
" @loftmanukjnr said:
" @Huw I wonder if "AI upscalled" images could have an indicator or visible watermark on them. That way we'd all know the image has been post processed by Brickset. This is only going to become more of an issue as the upscalling software becomes more advanced and convincing. I'm definitely in favour of what you're trying to do, but the baby face shows this can work out to be quite misleading. Personally, I'm not a fan of the AI upscaling as I prefer seeing the original images and allow my brain to fill the gaps, but I understand that other people quite like them. The indicator/watermark might be a good compromise. It will certainly help people work out why the details are a little strange sometimes."
Good point. I'll do so next time."
alternatively you could just not use them at all
@Torrent_Studios said:
" @bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
Yeah, to be honest that was a pretty dumb decision. I was pretty surprised that they actually made the jet. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Pilatus P-2 contained pieces from the Messerschmitt Bf-109."
Yes. I looked at the Wikipedia article earlier today when the Pilatus P-2 was first mentioned, and it appears a lot of the parts were raided from existing obsolete Swiss Air Force aircraft, including landing gear from the BF-109:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_P-2
So, I watched a couple video reviews. Regarding the Well of Souls set, the R2/3PO hieroglyph is present, and matches their pose from the movie. It's still not accurate, though, because it's on the outside of the golden arch, where it can be seen across the Ark in the movie. It's on the left pillar, but it probably should be on the inside of a pillar located to the back right of the Ark in this set. And the pillar should have a snake sculpted in a spiral around it.
On the rightmost section of wall, which the statue crashes through, there are two notable hieroglyphs. Yes, in the upper right corner, that is 1000% a Kaukau. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. In the lower left, I was thinking it might be a Krana, but the video got me thinking it probably is meant to represent the Space Police III Skull Twins helmet. And up top, where the droids were previously featured in the old version of this set, it kinda looks like a Crystal Skull made it into the design.
@LJ_McGowan:
Well, there's a fair amount of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles that they could cover without stepping over the religion or military lines, like the one where he fights Dracula. Crystal Skull was also provably aliens, whether anyone worshipped them or not.
@StyleCounselor:
Forgot about that. I couldn't even tell you when last I watched it.
@PurpleDave said:
"In the lower left, I was thinking it might be a Krana, but the video got me thinking it probably is meant to represent the Space Police III Skull Twins helmet."
Checked a video of a set leak myself and actually, that looks to me like an Exo-Force drone, at least in terms of the top shaping and eyes. The Skull Twins had rounder heads.
@legoDad42 said:
" @GBP_Chris said:
"LEGO really be like "wanna buy the sets you already have ... TWICE?""
True to a point. Like Star Wars fans, they love their different iterations of the same Lego vehicle for more than 20 years now.
With Indy, the original sets many people missed out on are going for high dollar, so these are all reasonably priced for that crowd that missed them the first time around.
I think they should do the 'missing' scenes from their first run and those would sell well.
-Petra with all the traps leading to the Grail-Knight.
-The Circus train. Would make a fabulous set.
- Mark VII tank scene.
- Rope Bridge showdown from Temple of Doom."
Now that would be a solid strat. If we saw a Petra set from Crusade, I'd harvest my kidneys for that one. And to be fair, yes, this is a fantastic opportunity for people who don't want to pay those awful after-market prices. I just happened to fall into that really inconvenient and seemingly improbable group of LEGO fans who happen to have all of the sets shown.
Now if they made that Temple of Doom set, however ...
@Alia_of_AGL:
I could actually see that being the case. Adding a few lines in the middle of the face would sure go a long way towards clarifying what it's supposed to represent.
@GBP_Chris:
I got everything except the SDCC kit that was basically just the Brickmaster Jeep with a base that looks like it was built entirely out of pieces found in the original Temple Run set.
@Huw said:
" @MegaLucario said:
"Here before the inevitable flood of questions about the Temple of Doom... Got that statement ready, Huw?"
Given it's not been announced yet its existence will probably be denied."
Happy to be the 69th liker-- in all seriousness, I liked the design unlike most people who saw the leak. I don't have a problem with the cancellation if it is for the reason I assume it was, which I won't specify to avoid an argument akin to the ones that consistently hit the Harry Potter threads. Let's just say this reason has no link to the gore in the film, the gore is kind of overstated by a lot of people IMO. Regardless of which it was canned for, it doesn't make sense to me that it'd get this far into production, though; so maybe it was just criticism of the build?
I like 77013, though my fingers are itching to modify the Anubis statues, and I *really* like 77015, even though I suspect I won't like its price in US dollars. Then again, I'm a sucker for the large scenic sets....
Are we certain these aren’t actually being released in April? With photos of them on store shelves out there, seems unlikely a store would been sent the stock so early for a June release?
@WemWem said:
" @ResIpsaLoquitur said:
"Lego can't have religious symbols, but there's a brick-built Ark of the Covenant? Everyone knows what that's from, right?"
It’s from the Old Testament, yeah, but nobody really worships the Ark of the Covenant nor does it figure prominently as a symbol in Judaism or Christianity, like the Star of David or crucifix.
Also, presumably, there actually WAS an Ark of the Covenant. So it’s not just a religious artifact but a historic one as well.
Sometimes religion and history intersect. But a depiction of Kali is akin to a Lego set prominently featuring a statue of Jesus.
And not just Jesus but, like…. An evil, corrupted version of Jesus. That’s not nearly the same thing as a fictional depiction of a religious artifact that nobody has seen in thousands of years."
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to have the Ark in their possession at their church in Axum. Seriously.
But anyway, the Ark wasn't an important symbol? Have you...read the Old Testament?
Unrelated to whether the Pilatus messes with LEGO's no-military-equipment thing or not, I don't like the design of it. The thing is far too fat. I get that some design compromises have to be made when replicating something in LEGO form, but in the movie one of the most obvious characteristics of the Pilatus is that its fuselage is taller than it is wide. The LEGO version looks to be the opposite.
The car does look quite nice though. I'll have to wait for official images to take a good look at the actual minifigs; I'm curious to see how they compare to the original ones (like that LOTR article the other day - that was quite good by the way). Personally I think the hat-hair piece is a little weird but it's not really a new thing either.
@chrisaw said:
"Are we certain these aren’t actually being released in April? With photos of them on store shelves out there, seems unlikely a store would been sent the stock so early for a June release?"
In the U.S. some stores released early i heard
@spaghettithechicken said:
"$240 Aud for 77105. Nope. Not paying that much."
Where did you get the Australian price info for 77015? Of the initial four it's the one I'm the most excited for as I'm planning to modify it.
@missedoutagain said:
" @chrisaw said:
"Are we certain these aren’t actually being released in April? With photos of them on store shelves out there, seems unlikely a store would been sent the stock so early for a June release?"
In the U.S. some stores released early i heard"
Early is one thing, but if they’re not due until June, nobody should have any in hand to sell until mid-May, at the earliest. These either shipped two full months early, or the projected release date is two months off. Of course, that would out release on April 1st, so maybe the leaker pranked everyone by lying about the release date.
I still think it'll ship in April since the pre-orders from the new Indiana Jones actions figures are due to ship in April. But I can see why June since that's when the new movie comes out but usually you want the toys ahead of the movie to build hype for the film, etc.
The horrors in these sets aren’t the traps or the snakes but all the stickers. It’s a big stickerphobic pass from me thanks.
I'm going home to Missouri where they never feed you snakes before ripping your heart out and lowering you into hot pits! This is not my idea of a swell time!
Def will pick up Idol Temple if I got the money.
Tomb could be fun since I got the 2009 one.
@Ridgeheart : I was just going off of the images posted here; I didn't check any other sources. Good to see that the umbrella (and the R2 and 3PO hieroglyph, according to @PurpleDave ) are there. Also, given that it's been nearly seventy years since 1309 was released, I think it's fair to say that Lego's policies might have changed in the interim. And 3220 wasn't religion reference, it was his given name.
Man this looks awesome...but $35 for the Fighter Plane Chase!? Lego's really asking a lot! I guess those IPs really come with a hefty tag...
I am so excited for the return of my favorite theme! Loved the sets growing up, I wish I had gotten more when they were available.
Not impressed with what I see so far.
Am I the only one who was desperately hoping they'd bring back the Cobra mold from the Snake Charmer figure for the Well of Souls, only for them to just use that same tired decade-old *rattlesnake* mold instead? Is Indy hunting biblical artifacts in Arizona? I have a feeling if they can make a new mold for Indy's hat/hair, and bringing back a hat piece last used 6 years ago, but they don't use a small animal piece that looks great and could be reused in other adventure lines in other themes like Ninjago, or City's excursions into the jungle or desert.
But nah, rattlesnakes.
So often I've seen great opportunities to bring back pieces that would be wonderful to have back in circulation, mostly animal molds. Heck, they didn't even use the newer python mold again for these. Of course, this is assuming the AI uspcaling is not so bad that it's completely obscuring that, but... we'll see.
@JMaster:
In-story, cobras probably would have been very numerous in that setting, but they ended up getting around 7000 snakes of any type they could find, plus rubber hose cut to length, and I think I’ve also read that they threw rubber toy snakes in as well (those might have been confused with the hoses). There were supposedly even legless lizards (trivia says to look for ear holes, but trivia needs to buy me a _much_ bigger TV for that to happen). There were definitely pythons on set, since one of them clamped down on a crew member’s hand and just refused to let go (there was also a man in a dress on set, since the Marion stunt double refused to stand in the middle of all the snakes).
Anyways, to be accurate to the scene, all three snake molds should have been used. For the setting, Egypt does have a native python, but it tops out at 2’ long. They also have other snakes besides cobras and pythons (like asps!), which is probably what the rattlesnakes should represent. It’s just unfortunate that the Western theme was the source of the first and most common snake mold, since rattlesnakes are iconic to that setting.
@Ridgeheart said:
" @JMaster said:
"Am I the only one who was desperately hoping they'd bring back the Cobra mold from the Snake Charmer figure for the Well of Souls, only for them to just use that same tired decade-old *rattlesnake* mold instead? Is Indy hunting biblical artifacts in Arizona? I have a feeling if they can make a new mold for Indy's hat/hair, and bringing back a hat piece last used 6 years ago, but they don't use a small animal piece that looks great and could be reused in other adventure lines in other themes like Ninjago, or City's excursions into the jungle or desert.
But nah, rattlesnakes.
So often I've seen great opportunities to bring back pieces that would be wonderful to have back in circulation, mostly animal molds. Heck, they didn't even use the newer python mold again for these. Of course, this is assuming the AI uspcaling is not so bad that it's completely obscuring that, but... we'll see."
TLG has a weird relationship with some of its CMF-props - some are only included once, others are immediately added to the inventory. There's no real rhyme or reason to it either - we've lovingly embraced the balloon-animals (but not the actual balloons), the paint-roller and welding-torch (but not the saw), the dogs and their poop (but not the cobra or the flamingo).
I'm going to go ahead and guess that we won't see the CMF-Throg appear in many City-sets either."
That's true, but there's also apparently the possibility of apparent one-off retired pieces suddenly seeing recurring use again, like the Queen CMF's skirt coming back after several years of absence and being used on two figures very recently.
But yeah, I'm still annoyed by the T-bone steak piece being lost to time.
@Havok211 said:
"Who is the 4th minifig in the Escape from the Lost Tomb set supposed to be?"
You have Indy, Marion, an all-new Sallah figure, plus an all new mummy figure.
@Ridgeheart:
There actually is a degree of logic involved. The last time I made it to Brickworld Chicago, one of the set designers for Friends held a panel. I asked about CMF parts being reused in retail sets, since, at the time, it would require a second mold be produced for use in Europe. She said when they wanted to bring a CMF part into the regular parts palette, they had to get supervisor approval. This was easier to achieve if the part had a lot of potential uses, so basic hairstyles were the easiest to bring over. Something like that Aztec macuahuitl probably don’t stand a chance, being specific to one ancient culture.
@8BrickMario:
The T-bone has reappeared through Build-a-Minifig. It comes in both red and dark-red deco.
@Havok211:
Assuming you mean the mummy, after Indy pushed over the statue to break a hole in the wall, Marion ends up turning around and coming within kissing distance of a mummified corpse.
@RaiderOfTheLostBrick said:
"Here's my theory for the Temple of Doom's cancellation: Based on the leaked images, a statue of Kali was to be included as the centrepiece. As Kali is an actual religious figure, it somewhat makes sense why LEGO has delayed/cancelled it (No religion). But why Kali and not a WWII Fighter Plane? Beats me.
Regardless, I want all of these. If you couldn't tell by my username, Raiders is my all time favourite film and I have a soft spot for the Indiana Jones series. I predict an expensive few months ahead, but I think I would have chosen... wisely.
Interested in the faces though: Does this mean we're getting a set based on the opening of Ark at the end of Raiders?"
Awww...I was really hoping for a "Battlefield Earth" theme one day :(
Not sure if this was today or not, but apparently the images of the sets have been removed from their respective pages. Has TLG started the takedown notices?
Indy sets showing up on lego.com.
Lego still have reference to the ToD set in the description of the big Raiders set:
'More movie action – Look out for the Fighter Plane Chase (77012), Escape from the Lost Tomb (77013) and The Temple of Doom (77014) LEGO® Indiana Jones™ sets'
@Ridgeheart said:
"And far be it from me to insist that it should be different, but I think we can agree that some of the discarded pieces - especially the animals - were, in and of themselves, pretty useful (while some of the stuff that we did get in the inventory might have been, in retrospect, pretty niche)."
Not that I'm disagreeing, but remember that the first step after "appears in a CMF wave" is that someone tied to a different theme has to actively see a need for one of these parts. Nobody scours the CMF catalog looking for stuff that could be useful. With a strict cap on how many molds they hang on to, nobody would willingly requisition a mold just on principle, since that would mean giving up something else for a part that may potentially not even see any further use anyways. As long as they're retaining the digital files, there's nothing stopping them from pulling a design out ten years from now, if that's the first time it's needed bad enough to produce a new mold. With the shift from 100% Chinese production, starting with TLM2 packets, there's even the possibility that more of these could easily become available to the rest of the design teams, since parts are now produced all over the world. If a CMF accessory gets produced in Europe, there's probably no reason they'd need to request a second copy of the mold when one is sitting in their backyard.
"Some items that (I think) only ever made it into one or more CMFs (and maybe a mercy-BAM):"
If I don't respond to a specific item from your list, it's because I'm not aware of anything that contradicts you. I will, however, point out one really big one that you missed, which is 3L bars in _transparent_ colors. That one really bugs me because I like to use them for lightsaber blades.
"the chimp"
40530
"the hockey-stick"
There are two variants (round shaft, tapered shaft) that appear in 23 other sets, including a zamboni-load of Advent Calendars, one of which even had it in reddish-brown. It's also on online PAB right now.
"a new hatchet"
Do you mean the woodcutting axe? If not, I have no idea what you're referring to, as a hatchet is a one-handed axe.
"the soft-tipped spear"
Appears in six different color variants, each available in at least one CMF. One variant was also used for original LotR/Hobbit sets, and another for TLNM and Bricklink Designer Program.
"the scutum"
Does 5004939 count?
"the tennis-racket"
Primarily used in a _lot_ of Friends sets. Dunno why, since they've got lousy forehand and backhand action, and their overhead smash lacks control.
"the pom-poms"
Technically 853195 exists, but it was before the crackdown on cribbing whole CMF designs, as referrenced regarding 21317.
"the ogre/caveman-club"
5004936 exists, but given the range of minifigs that appeared in the Iconic range so far, I think it's an extension of the CMF theme.
"the tomahawk"
Two color variants exist, the other of which is exclusive to The Long Ranger.
"the Bobby's truncheon"
10255 and 71016 even come with an extra.
"the slingshot"
75810
"the strongman's dumbbell"
I'm not even sure what 4000036 is, but...
"the retro-futuristic raygun"
There are three rayguns that fit that description. Two have stud emitters, look very similar, and appear across dozens of sets. The other has a ball emitter, and is indeed exclusive to CMF...but somewhat redundant given the other two versions.
"an updated mouse"
There's only one mouse (so not really updated), that's only in the elephant costume CMF, and there's an updated Scabbers/rat that comes in a few dozen sets.
"the gecko"
If you mean the realistic chameleon, then 10270.
"Stargirl's crook"
That one is also the only appearance of that color.
"the phoenix"
76394
"the candy-cane, the falcon and the snowman('s nose) and the koala."
All of those pieces were just produced for S23, the third wave of 2022, which I'm finding more readily than S24, the current series. You gotta give them time. Of the hundreds of parts that have been created for CMF, only a rare handful have made it into retail sets half a year after their first CMF appearance. I only know of two (Steamboat Willie & Minnie hats) that managed to slip out before their CMF appearance.
"Also, I don't think I've seen the boxing-gloves...outside of CMF/BAM-biddings or reissues thereof."
10260, 70909
@bigandywatson said:
"So Lego got cold feet about releasing a 'Rescue' Version of the V-22 Osprey but they're ok with releasing a full on, gun-toting, Luftwaffe (WWII era), Messerschmitt BF-109?!
Go figure?
*Edit - Yes it is actually a Swiss Pilatus P-2"
They didn't cancel the osprey because its a military aircraft the cancelled it due to the internal mechanism