LEGO Star Wars 327th Star Corps Battle Pack and V-19 Torrent Starfighter revealed!
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LEGO Star Wars is clearly focused on the Prequel Trilogy and The Clone Wars this summer, as two more sets from the era have been announced today!
75431 327th Star Corps Clone Troopers Battle Pack contains four 327th Clone Troopers and 75432 V-19 Torrent Starfighter offers unique versions of Obi-Wan and Asajj Ventress with an improved Phase I Clone Pilot, so the figures in both sets are very appealing.
View more images and pricing information below...
75431 327th Star Corps Clone Troopers Battle Pack
- 258 pieces
- £34.99, $44.99, €39.99
- 327th Star Corps Clone Troopers (4), Super Battle Droids (3)
Build a platoon of 327th Star Corps Clone Troopers and take on the Super Battle Droids with this LEGO Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Battle Pack (75431) set for kids. It features 4 LEGO Star Wars minifigures of Clone Troopers in their iconic 327th Star Corps outfits and 3 Super Battle Droid LEGO figures.
This Star Wars buildable play set also includes an AT-RT walker with a LEGO minifigure cockpit, a stud shooter and storage for a blaster and binoculars and a stud-shooter turret for Clone Troopers, while the Super Battle Droids have a Spider Droid to inspire epic play-battles.
A super Star Wars gift idea for boys, girls and any young fans and lovers of LEGO building aged 7 plus, this set offers a fun build and hours of action-packed play.
75432 V-19 Torrent Starfighter
- 567 pieces
- £59.99, $64.99, €64.99
- Obi-Wan Kenobi, Clone Pilot, Asajj Ventress
Team up with hero character General Obi-Wan Kenobi against Asajj Ventress, and swoosh into LEGO Star Wars: The Clone Wars action with the V-19 Torrent Starfighter building toy for kids (75432). An awesome Star Wars gift idea for boys, girls and any fans aged 9 and over, the starfighter features 2 stud shooters and adjustable wings for flight and landing modes. The central wing can also be used as a handle for ‘flying’.
The buildable vehicle play set features 3 LEGO Star Wars minifigures, including Asajj Ventress with 2 red lightsabers with special curved hilts and General Obi-Wan Kenobi with a blue lightsaber for action-packed duels.
What do you think of these Star Wars sets? Let us know in the comments and you can view more images of the August sets already unveiled on their respective database pages:
- 75413 Republic Juggernaut
- 75414 The Force Burner Snowspeeder
- 75417 AT-ST
- 75433 Jango Fett's Starship
- 75434 K-2SO
- 75435 Battle of Felucia Separatist MTT
There is plenty more to be announced in the coming hours and days, so stay tuned!
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Mmmmm, more trans yellow cockpit.
I no longer collect Lego Star Wars, thanks for pricing me out, Lego! It's getting ridiculous. 45 for that battle back is absolutely insane for a tiny plastic TOY
V-19 looks awesome, and the Battlepack looks good, but it's the more egregiously overpriced of the two. I've only bought one set this year now, and I got it at Kohl's with $15 off... I've been priced out of my favorite hobby
I find it odd that Droids are being arrested on the back of the boxes now... and high-fiving... and putting arms back on each other.
Also the curved lightsaber hilt isn't drum-lacquered? I was incredibly disappointed as a kid when Lego dropped chrome and just produced flat grey hilts in the 2000s. At least they aren't lying in the renders anymore, where they'd include chromed pieces in place of pearl or flat plastic colours....
@Echolord said:
" and the Battlepack looks good, but it's the more egregiously overpriced of the two."
Doesn’t that, arguably, make it not good? If something gets in the way of your purchase, that makes it it’s biggest flaw, because you would’ve bought it pre-discount otherwise
Holy sh!t, these prices are starting to look like the Lego Star Wars line is for those 33 American billionaires getting a tax break!
The droids putting their arms in the air is so funny. I'm really glad whoever came up with that idea was allowed to include it, very cute
Too bad we didn't get dual-molded legs for Kenobi or Ventress :/
@LegoMKB said:
"I no longer collect Lego Star Wars, thanks for pricing me out, Lego! It's getting ridiculous. 45 for that battle back is absolutely insane for a tiny plastic TOY "
Yep. My son and I quit buying Lego SW because it's not just expensive, its reached a point where I would feel like a fool to pay the amounts asked for what you get. It's honestly insulting.
What, no comments about the new rangefinder piece?
Everyone who buys these at MSRP is telling LEGO these prices are acceptable ;)
need both of these
There it is! But man, you can't buy withot at least 30% discount =(
The $45 Battle Pack is even more egregious when you realize that they completely removed the Felucia side build from the preliminary images.
And yikes, that V-19 is tiny for the price, even with amazing minifigures.
@Trigger_ said:
" @Echolord said:
" and the Battlepack looks good, but it's the more egregiously overpriced of the two."
Doesn’t that, arguably, make it not good? If something gets in the way of your purchase, that makes it it’s biggest flaw, because you would’ve bought it pre-discount otherwise"
I mean more that the price is the only issue I see with it. The builds look good, better than previous iterations of those vehicles. The price is not good, but the set itself is. It means I want it, but I'm not willing to pay that price.
@ElephantKnight said:
"Mmmmm, more trans yellow cockpit."
I love that it exists, but the V-19 torrent should really have a translucent black canopy.
@ScholtzTKO said:
" @LegoMKB said:
"I no longer collect Lego Star Wars, thanks for pricing me out, Lego! It's getting ridiculous. 45 for that battle back is absolutely insane for a tiny plastic TOY "
Yep. My son and I quit buying Lego SW because it's not just expensive, its reached a point where I would feel like a fool to pay the amounts asked for what you get. It's honestly insulting."
I've completely fallen out of love with LEGO Star Wars for this exact reason. Not just ridiculously priced sets, but ridiculously priced custom minifigures and ridiculously priced aftermarket values as well. Not to mention my family hasn't had Disney+ since 2021 and we didn't get it again until just recently, so I've basically been completely out of the loop of EVERY Star Wars project in recent history.
At this point the only thing that can get me back is 104th Wolfpack Troopers. But of course battle packs are probably gonna be like $50 by the time LEGO gets around to those.
@gatorbug6 said:
"Everyone who buys these at MSRP is telling LEGO these prices are acceptable ;)"
Every LEGO fan seriously needs to google the definition of "boycott."
@LegoMKB said:
"I no longer collect Lego Star Wars, thanks for pricing me out, Lego! It's getting ridiculous. 45 for that battle back is absolutely insane for a tiny plastic TOY "
I follow your same line of thought.
guys sorry that V-19 looks atrocious.... The shrunken scale clearly messed with their ability to render a minifig scale ship; Cockpit wayy too big for example; The prices are even more insulting when what you get is so small, as the designs have become so parts dense - this one is 100 pieces more than the old one, less than half the size, and 30% more expensive. They need to return to a slightly less detailed/parts dense, larger ship scale to make anything under the UCS ships begin to feel worth the money.
Remember when battlepacks could be had for a tenner? I miss those days. That said, I do like the spider droid in 75431. And even though it's expensive, I'm tempted to pick up 75432. For one thing, I don't have a Ventress, and the only V-19 I have is 8031.
LEGO raises prices on star wars sets:
“These prices are ridiculous, I’m still going to buy these on release because I like the minifigures, but next time they raise the prices I’m out”
Next time LEGO raises prices:
“OK, I’ll just buy these to complete my cone trooper collection. but I swear this is the last time!”
Lego raises prices again:
(Repeat)
Finally a proper Phase I clone pilot minifig! Only took 23 years
The V-19, like the E-Wing, is one of those fighters I just can’t get behind. It’s so dumb. But the mechanism for moving that massive BAVS looks like a fun build. I’ll pick it up.
I'll certainly be getting the V-19, and probably the battle pack too. The V-19 is one of my favourite Star Wars starfigthers. I've been fascinated with it since I first watched the Clone Wars.
Sorry, that V-19 looks dinky. The Clone Pilot and Obi-Wan minifigures look great, though. That might just be the best Obi-Wan minifig we’ve ever gotten.
The 327th battle pack is cool, but too gosh darn expensive. Needless to say I’ll be abstaining from these sets thanks to those prices; there’s too many other sets from other themes that I want.
All I have to say is that we should be set on Clones for a while (even though I know that’s not going to be the case ;)
No. No, I don't believe this. I've *seen* Revenge of the Sith, surely I'd remember if there had been a bright yellow walker in it.
The bottom line of the pricing debacle is that of this wave of 7 sets, I was interested in 5 of them. If prices were reasonable, or even 2022 levels of unreasonable, I probably would have bought all 5.
But they aren’t, and as such, the turbo tank, the ATT and the battle pack are off my radar unless they end up at a substantial discount of 40% or more (which they won’t because Lego Star Wars Fans will pay anything to get their hands on the new Clone commander) and The Slave I and Torrent are only on my radar at a 20% discount. It’s a real shame man.
@560heliport said:
"What, no comments about the new rangefinder piece?
"
Too blinded by the pricing to notice.
@560heliport said:
"What, no comments about the new rangefinder piece?
"
It was talked about more in May when it was first introduced with Jango Fett.
Wow, I didn't realize how bad the proportions on the V-19 were until just now with these photos of the parked mode... I just picked up a Micro Galaxy Squadron toy of the ship in preparation, which feels like a mistake since it just made me way less hyped for the set, especially at that price. In terms of the canopy, the 2008 TCW version was often shown with a golden canopy, while the 2003 CWMMP version very distinctly had a black canopy. I might buy a trans-black copy of the canopy off of PAB to swap out for nostalgia, but the livery between the two versions of the ship are slightly different, so it'd require a bit more work to fit for Battle of Muunilinst nostalgia.
The battle pack price is absurd. Assuming we count droids as minifigs, the Galactic Civil War pack from last year was $5 cheaper with more substantial builds, and the Clone Wars pack from last year had the same number of clones and SBDs but also had two B1s on top of it for $15 less, though with somewhat simpler builds. Just the four clones, the walker, and the stud shooter would have been $20 in line with previous four-fig battle packs, and you can't convince me the three supers and the dwarf spider droid are worth $25. Even if you wanted to say the clone side is $25 because the walker is a bit more substantial than recent battle pack builds, despite being smaller than previous iterations, the droid side is still nowhere near worth $20. $13 at the absolute maximum, and even then I'd consider it on par with inflated Lego prices. No deal at $45.
$45 is outrageously gobsmacking
I never liked the V-19 design, and shrinking it down makes it look even uglier. The Obi-Wan figure is the best part. And at last... an accurate Phase I Clone Pilot!!!!!!
I might get the 327th BP to add to my Clone Wars shelf... but only at a super heavy discount or something. I just don't understand how 75372 was released last year, had two extra Battle Droids and cost $15 less with just 30 fewer pieces? I hope Amazon puts it on sale quickly! Right now would be ideal!
I was kinda excited for the V-19, but something about it just looks really odd to me...
Ooh, a new trans-yellow windscreen and some black barrels! Those better show up on PaB later this year.
The battle pack is ok as a battle pack, but too bad it's saddled with Hoopty/X-jet pricing. Like the 75413 CTT and (to a slightly lesser extent) the MTT, it's literally twice as expensive as it should be.
An extraordinary stupidly priced battle pack and another remake crappier than the original
After the other announcements yesterday, goodbye Lego Star Wars, it's been a good run
I'll be back when there's a sale/LEGO ever comes to their senses
No more excuses. New molds, recolours etc don’t cost *that* much. They even took away the terrain build that was in the prelim images of the battle pack. This is price gouging, plain and simple.
Someone explain to me why purple looks wrong for Asajj? Maybe it's me, I'm wrong.
That walker looks nice and an easy pick to copy with my spares. I'll try yo replicate a couple...
Is that the first phase 1 trooper mining we’ve had in a long time? I’m a OT Star Wars fan, but the clone troopers are a big hole in my game so I don’t pay close attention.
I’m glad to see a lot of people are finally coming to their senses. Lego’s pricing has got out of control. Even if you go back and adjust old sets for inflation, the increases are outpacing inflation. Most of these sets are 10-20% overpriced. Quit buying day one and let Lego be a bunch of shelf warmers until they drop their prices
The €30 75280 501st Battle Pack would be €37 today with inflation, yet lego sw fans have literally stormed the shops for it Day1. This pricing is not some Lego or Disney conspiracy, our money is rapidly losing value.
People seem to be comparing this battle pack with older ones, but this one is massively bigger than the old ones, no? 4 minifigs, 3 droids, a small walker and a spider? At 5$ per minifig, 3$ per droid, let's say 15$ for the bricks and you end up at 44$... Seems on par to me.
ngl if the price stays reasonable or I can somehow find a sale I might get multiple of that Torrent. As for the other stuff this wave......yeah no thanks. It looks nice tho. But yeah not for me.
Are these super battle droids less fragile than the original ones?
As usual, Lego's pricing structure for sets is a major detractor for both of these.
Also, the V-19 looks to subby and clunky, missing the proper length and graceful look to the wings, especially in flight configuration.
These will both be an easy pass.
I used to buy every battle pack, and with that price I'm seriously questioning it. Maybe if it goes on sale, but I've got so many Phase II clones (and the OG 327th troopers from 2005) that I can hardly justify storing more, yet alone paying $45 for the privilege.
@Krisz said:
"The €30 75280 501st Battle Pack would be €37 today with inflation, yet lego sw fans have literally stormed the shops for it Day1. This pricing is not some Lego or Disney conspiracy, our money is rapidly losing value."
Couldn't have said it better tbh
@Phoenixio said:
"People seem to be comparing this battle pack with older ones, but this one is massively bigger than the old ones, no? 4 minifigs, 3 droids, a small walker and a spider? At 5$ per mini-fig, 3$ per droid, let's say 15$ for the bricks and you end up at 44$... Seems on par to me."
but 2 battle packs were only £10 made them perfect for collecting armies plus you got 8 figures and two builds, they may have made less profit on each pack but im sure they made up for it on sheer number of sales.
plus that torrent is terrible, really feel like we are just getting ripped of now with Lego star wars especially considering how good some of the alternative lines are such as ideas creator etc.
personally ive cut my purchases down hugely now its just to expensive and poor value.
@Phoenixio said:
"People seem to be comparing this battle pack with older ones, but this one is massively bigger than the old ones, no? 4 minifigs, 3 droids, a small walker and a spider? At 5$ per minifig, 3$ per droid, let's say 15$ for the bricks and you end up at 44$... Seems on par to me."
Well sure, it's easy to make that case after LEGO already managed to convince you minifigs are $5 and droids are $3 (they're really not).
@Echolord said:
"V-19 looks awesome, and the Battlepack looks good, but it's the more egregiously overpriced of the two. I've only bought one set this year now, and I got it at Kohl's with $15 off... I've been priced out of my favorite hobby"
It didn't seem like so long ago that Lego was making an effort to downsize the SW line and make it more affordable. I guess they got over that one pretty quick... It seems the golden age of Lego SW was the 2017 era, when the designs reached their peak. They were pretty pricey then, but you got some really nice sets.
Other than the ARC-170 (at 20% off) and a microfighter (mainly for Mando and Grogu figs), I haven't bought SW since 2020. 2018 if you don't count UCS.
The pricing on the new Star Wars sets might be the straw that breaks the dewback's back for me.
"Dad, when did you finally stop collecting Lego Star Wars?"
"July 2, my boy, July 2. It was the prices, the chibi juggernaut and the piss-coloured windows that finally broke the spell".
Nah, not actually stopping, but I definitely don't buy anywhere near the volume I used to, and won't get any of this. Their model selections are so RANDOM. Pick a damn theme.
I'm so happy for all of these boys, girls, boys, any young fans, girls, any fans, any girls, all boys and up to several young fans. Thank you for your maximum effort, ChatGPT.
Of course, I'm also happy for Blacktron-builders, of course. It goes without saying (because it went without saying).
TWO CAN PLAY IT THIS WAY.
I was initially planning to do a rare haul and get all of these because they sounded (and looked) great. The prices and the sizes means that now the only one I'm still seriously considering is the V-19. I have no problem at all with that being small, if it even is small, because they only have one pilot and are meant to be the most common "foot soldier" vessel. Smaller makes more sense. Jango's ship looks fine but I'd like it to have been somewhere in between this and the UCS one in terms of size. Tank and MTT look nice in isolation, but you can already tell will look puny next to the AT-TE, which even now looks more reasonably priced than it was.
30-40 percent discount for these. Not until then.
'Platoon,' is 'a unit of thirty to forty soldiers typically commanded by a lieutenant and forming part of a company.'
So, that'd be about $350-450 to follow Lego's suggestion. They have gone insane. I still get all the sets, but wait until they're deep discounted. This may change to avoiding them altogether. Long gone are the days of calling my local store and reserving the whole wave on Day 1.
The Torrent is almost ridiculously chibi. The old one 7674 is so nice and tall that it has to go on a special shelf in my collection. This new may never make it. Ventress needed dual-molded legs and a couple pupils.
I like the yellow AT-RT, the Star Corps, General Kenobi, and the new pilot. I just wish I didn't feel like such a sucker for collecting this stuff. :(
@deetwenty said:
"People moaning the sets are too pricy - they already are too pricy for like 5 to 10 years.
If you bought a set in that time - YOU are part of the problem!
And the ones telling "I'll buy it at a discount" - yeah, do that, LEGO does not mind.
If you buy a set on discount - the merchant pays the difference for you.
So buying a discounted set gives LEGO the full price and damages the merchant.
The higher the discount the more you kill the merchant by minimizing his income from a sold set. LEGO already got their money."
You are also telling the merchant what you are willing to pay for LEGO, and that might prompt them into (i) paying less in future if they can negotiate a better deal or (ii) stop stocking LEGO.
@WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"The $45 Battle Pack is even more egregious when you realize that they completely removed the Felucia side build from the preliminary images.
And yikes, that V-19 is tiny for the price, even with amazing minifigures. "
I agree about the v19, but it also depends on the density of the build. I've designed MOCs that have been a similar size with more bricks owing to its shaping and functions. I think I'd have to see the review of the build to determine how egregious it is.
@LOSTONE said:
" @Phoenixio said:
"People seem to be comparing this battle pack with older ones, but this one is massively bigger than the old ones, no? 4 minifigs, 3 droids, a small walker and a spider? At 5$ per mini-fig, 3$ per droid, let's say 15$ for the bricks and you end up at 44$... Seems on par to me."
but 2 battle packs were only £10 made them perfect for collecting armies plus you got 8 figures and two builds, they may have made less profit on each pack but im sure they made up for it on sheer number of sales.
plus that torrent is terrible, really feel like we are just getting ripped of now with Lego star wars especially considering how good some of the alternative lines are such as ideas creator etc.
personally ive cut my purchases down hugely now its just to expensive and poor value."
The last time a battle pack was £10 was in 2010: 8083 8084 and that got you 4 figures and just under 60 parts. £10 in 2010 with inflation is about £15.50 now. So two £10 battle packs would cost you £31 now. So not far off the £35 for this one, but of course this one has more parts but one less figure.
Of course, back then LEGO wasn't as popular and battle packs were regularly on sale for £5 and in some cases £2 because they weren't selling so well, especially after the financial crash of 2008. Plus many supermarkets sold them and they needed to clear shelves for the next thing to come in. Whereas now, especially as adults buying LEGO for themselves is much more of a thing, LEGO is extremely popular and it is much harder to get anything more than 20% discount. At 30% discount, shelves are often cleared and 50% discount is very rare these days especially for top selling themes.
I've never had much attachment to the V-19 but the figures in that set are too good to pass up. I suspect buying them on the secondary market would be more expensive than just getting the set.
I know it’s a tired thing to say at this point, but it’s more true than ever: these are outrageously overpriced. I like much of this wave and would probably be buying most of it were it priced sensibly, but it’s not. The turbo tank and the battle pack are just robbery, plain and simple. If the clones were accurate and well-made, I might see it differently. But they’re not, between the helmet holes, missing camos, bad helmet prints and everything else. Even the pilot has a really shoddy print on his helmet, the stripe should extend to the back. The fact it doesn’t can only be attributed to TLG choosing it not to, I refuse to believe they “can’t” print that properly.
Still no critical article at all on BS about the silent but absurd price increases of late. That really is worth a deepdive and a critical note. Especially SW.
TLG would do well to read the comments under this article and actually heed them. Maybe they’ll sell enough of these particular sets to justify these prices to themselves, but if they keep alienating their core fanbase and buyers, eventually they won’t, and by that point it will be too late. I could certainly buy these sets if I chose to, thanks to a fortunate financial situation, but I choose not to. This is where I draw the line and decide my money is better spent elsewhere. TLG is so far out of touch with reality it blows my mind frankly. They’ve let their love of money twist them and corrupt them until now… now they have became the very thing they swore to destroy. They’re not just not with us, at this point they’re against us. To misquote Padme: TLG, you’re going down a path I can’t follow.
at this point, does not this ridiculous price increase merit some kind of article in specialliced sites? some lego reviewer, "content creator" or whatever at least TALKING about them in some serious manner? yes, lego has always being expensive. yes, it's somehow a luxury brand. but more and more people are being priced out of the hobby in favor of those "adult collectors" with disposable money that came into it during around the pandemic as a fad and/or an investment. how long can this bubble be sustained before it bursts?
Like many others, I have cut back my purchasing of LEGO Star Wars sets, for the two most obvious reasons:
1. The scaling is so bad now. LEGO are trying to make everything smaller. Figures regularly lay down in an SW starfighter cockpit nowadays rather than properly sit in it, as the models are being made to a much smaller scale. They just don't look very good, and the V-19 above is the latest example of that. There are exceptions (the last TIE Fighter was decent), but overall the scaling is just bad. Most vehicles just look too chunky nowadays.
2. Pricing. Not only are LEGO making the models, and therefore the piece count, smaller, they are jacking the prices up. Collecting LEGO Star Wars has never been cheap, but it's just crazy now.
Upshot is I buy a lot less as the quality has decreased whilst the price has gone up. Sets like these are nowhere near a "must buy" for me anymore.
@deetwenty said:
"People moaning the sets are too pricy - they already are too pricy for like 5 to 10 years.
If you bought a set in that time - YOU are part of the problem!
And the ones telling "I'll buy it at a discount" - yeah, do that, LEGO does not mind.
If you buy a set on discount - the merchant pays the difference for you.
So buying a discounted set gives LEGO the full price and damages the merchant.
The higher the discount the more you kill the merchant by minimizing his income from a sold set. LEGO already got their money."
There's also the fact that even if every Bricksetter decided to never again buy a new Star Wars set and stuck to that decision, the sets would still sell. Brickset isn't even the entirety of the Lego fandom, let alone the entirety of the people who buy Lego. I mean sure, people buying Lego for their kids or whatever have certainly looked at the prices on some sets and gone, "You know what? I think I'll find something that looks to be a better value for the money," and bought a Creator 3-in-1 set or something (or even something that wasn't Lego at all), but there are still plenty of people willing to fork over what Lego asks.
Nice Kenobi minifig. But I still like much better my older version of the V19! Those tri folding wings, linked to the retractable landing gear activated with 2 transclear pistons is a marvel of Lego design to me, still today. Along with Dune Ornithopter.
@brickwich said:
"Someone explain to me why purple looks wrong for Asajj? Maybe it's me, I'm wrong."
Because she’s a Sith and not a Decepticon? I think you’re right. She looks off.
@LegoMKB said:
"I no longer collect Lego Star Wars, thanks for pricing me out, Lego! It's getting ridiculous. 45 for that battle back is absolutely insane for a tiny plastic TOY "
Why does Lego then keep expanding 10-20% annually ? And they STILL can't fill all the global demand, no matter how high the prices are (this comes directly from production manager at Kladno plant who sees real numbers). People just love to complaint but at the end of the day, you know you'll still buy it sooner or later.
V-19 is overall pretty good, and had a good price before getting increased by tariffs. I thought the yellow windscreen was inaccurate but turns out that’s what the v-19s actually have, somehow I never noticed it before.
327th battle pack is decent, I like that they added the new rangefinder piece, and the plastic pauldrons are amazing. I think we all can agree that Lego needs to bring back cloth kamas, but other than that, the 327th troopers are solid. Not to mention the new dwarf spider droid is incredible. My main problem is that it costs $45, and it could’ve been justified at $40, if Lego just made it a mega super battle pack by having 5 clones and 5 super battle droids and more side builds. The problem is that the last clone wars super battle pack was such a good value because it had 9 minifigures, and lots of side builds, for only $30. If Lego really wanted a $40 battle pack, they should’ve had more of everything than its predecessor. Instead it had 7 minifigures (8 is the BARE minimum for super battle packs in my opinion), and two builds.
I love the playful box art with the captured super battle droids holding their hands up.
Licensed themes haven’t done enough embracing play and the spirit of fun- very welcome
@WolfpackBricksStudios said:
"The $45 Battle Pack is even more egregious when you realize that they completely removed the Felucia side build from the preliminary images.
And yikes, that V-19 is tiny for the price, even with amazing minifigures. "
I was waiting for someone to point out how tiny the v19 looks!
@Chemistry2101 said:
"TLG would do well to read the comments under this article and actually heed them. Maybe they’ll sell enough of these particular sets to justify these prices to themselves, but if they keep alienating their core fanbase and buyers, eventually they won’t, and by that point it will be too late. I could certainly buy these sets if I chose to, thanks to a fortunate financial situation, but I choose not to. This is where I draw the line and decide my money is better spent elsewhere. TLG is so far out of touch with reality it blows my mind frankly. They’ve let their love of money twist them and corrupt them until now… now they have became the very thing they swore to destroy. They’re not just not with us, at this point they’re against us. To misquote Padme: TLG, you’re going down a path I can’t follow."
They read their balance sheets. That gives them information on what is selling, much more than comments on a fan site where the members are self-selecting. LEGO knows where to get its performance data from.
Personally, I don't buy much LEGO for myself any more. I don't think it is very good value based on what I have paid in the past. But then I remember the pre-2015 prices, I remember the smaller sets at lower price points and I remember every (non-exclusive) set being available at 30% off, and frequently being available at 50% off, occasionally at 75% off and I remember the good old Tesco misprices and the John Lewis price match. Importantly, I also have enough LEGO to last me a lifetime, so only really need to buy new minifigures if they are characters I never had or want to update and any newly designed parts to be able to keep up with modern building times. My memory is of cheap LEGO and I don't need to buy much. Why would LEGO listen to me?
LEGO has a different customer base to 10+ years ago. LEGO wasn't that popular until about 2015, and The LEGO Movie was about the start of the new era. Before then, it was a toy, just a regular toy for many kids. Nothing really that special and definitely not for adults. Of course there were AFOLs back then, but LEGO wasn't really for adults. It was a time it was easier to say you were buying a City, Star Wars or LOTR set for a kid rather than saying it was for yourself. Pretty much every set I bought was 30% or more off RRP, mainly because other people didn't want it so demand was low. I thought nothing of buying huge Amazon boxes filled with small LOTR sets such as Wizard Battle for £5 each set or Uruk-Hai Army for £12 as nobody else wanted them and I could use them as bulk bricks and army building. I bought multiples of The Lonely Mountain at £50 as few people wanted them and stores wanted to clear their shelves. There weren't many AFOLs and many LOTR fans weren't into LEGO. Star Wars battle packs were cheap as supply was high and demand was low.
Roll forward to now, LEGO is Adults Welcome, LEGO is an Adult hobby, LEGO is a collectable, LEGO is an investment, LEGO is everywhere, many cities have LEGO conventions multiple times a year and they are packed. LEGO appears to sell at RRP. Older retired LEGO sells at well above RRP. Just 20% off seems a good deal and stores will now sell out at that discount. Long gone are the regular 30% discounts, let alone the 50% or 75% discounts. LEGO is cool now. Many people have LEGO displayed in their house or at work. People talk openly about LEGO. Very different to just a decade ago.
I've been into LEGO for decades, as have many brickset members. Other adults have been into LEGO for a couple of years. The latter are probably much more important to LEGO than the former, because they (i) outnumber long term fans and (ii) are not reminded of pricing and discounts from the past. I think that is something longer term fans forget, we might think we are important as we have been fans for ages and will probably still be fans long after others have moved on to the next thing. But right now, LEGO's core market is the people willing to pay high prices for the current offer
catastrophically small and bad sets, atrocious pricing, who are Lego trying to fool here?
Remember when battle packs were $15? It was less than 5 years ago.
@merman said:
"Still no critical article at all on BS about the silent but absurd price increases of late. That really is worth a deepdive and a critical note. Especially SW. "
I know we have exchanged comments about this before and I acknowledge this should be addressed, but it is difficult to know what there actually is to say about the pricing situation. While we could publish an article decrying how quickly prices have risen for many sets, I am honestly not sure what purpose that would serve beyond perhaps being cathartic.
I have a few ideas for more substantive articles regarding prices, but again, it is a hard topic and one we will probably never have a comprehensive understanding of as fans. However, if readers have specific ideas for what topics they wish to see addressed, I would be interested to hear them and can try and contact people within The LEGO Group if necessary.
One thing I can say is that Fan Media are absolutely reporting back the criticisms of prices and that these comments are almost certainly being read, but as others have already said, the company will be most influenced by the numbers, ultimately.
"Maybe if I give into my mugger's demands -this one last time-, he'll finally back off, or maybe demand less money next time?"
Pricing is very rough, so I will have to wait for sales on all of these, unfortunately even the battle pack. The figs in the torrent are amazing and ones we have wanted forever, and that is just the highlight. This SW wave is going to go down in history for two reasons, the price increases and the desirability of the sets
Lego has cured my FOMO for me. I migh be an outlier, but I happen to live in walking distance to a toy store and me and the kid like to go and look a the Lego sets. Yet, we hardly buy anything, because there is usually nothing Star Wars (or Speed Champions or Jurassic World) that is pick-up-able where a discount doesn't matter as much. From the around 40-something Star Wars sets this year, only two qualify. A € 20,- battlepack and a € 15,- mech. Not counting polybags of course. For all the other SW sets we wait for discounts. 25% minimum for sets I really want, more for sets I'm on the fence about. Not enough discount, no sale.
There are two sets in this wave I like and two I sort of like. None are day one buys or pick-ups-while-we-are-here-anyway. Those are the sets I miss. € 10,- sets with a nice little build and some minifigs. Could also be 12 or 15, but they are hardly there. Presents for other kids are never Star Wars.
I've branched out to City vehicles to scratch the itch somewhat.
I love that Obi-Wan minifig and, although the V-19 is worse than I initially thought, it still looks okay in flight mode and is, at least, a semi-decent PPP for SW, (still coulda been 10-20% cheaper though).
The BP on the other hand...the discount would need to be very hefty to convince me.
@_Phonebooth said:
"Too bad we didn't get dual-molded legs for Kenobi or Ventress :/"
Never. Star Wars seems to be the one theme where that just cannot happen.
@CCC said:
" @deetwenty said:
"People moaning the sets are too pricy - they already are too pricy for like 5 to 10 years.
If you bought a set in that time - YOU are part of the problem!
And the ones telling "I'll buy it at a discount" - yeah, do that, LEGO does not mind.
If you buy a set on discount - the merchant pays the difference for you.
So buying a discounted set gives LEGO the full price and damages the merchant.
The higher the discount the more you kill the merchant by minimizing his income from a sold set. LEGO already got their money."
You are also telling the merchant what you are willing to pay for LEGO, and that might prompt them into (i) paying less in future if they can negotiate a better deal or (ii) stop stocking LEGO."
And when that merchant is Amazon, then I’m not too worried about their income. We only have one locally owned store that sells new sets, and they are regularly priced _above_ MSRP, so I rarely shop there unfortunately.
@B_Space_Man said:
"Is that the first phase 1 trooper mining we’ve had in a long time? I’m a OT Star Wars fan, but the clone troopers are a big hole in my game so I don’t pay close attention. "
40558 from 2022
@CapnRex101 Article ideas:
1. Compare PPP or some other metric between themes. Would be interested in seeing if LSW is really that bad compared to, say, Marvel or Disney to look into corporate cousins, or HP or JP. Compare that against non-licensed themes.
2. Compare "value" by stacking old and new versions of sets against each other. Show various improvements (or drawbacks) over the years to see where the investment is going.
3. Something diving into the types of pieces we're getting for our money: does the increased piece count and decreased average piece size balance out? What other changes are we seeing over time regarding piece quality or special features, like prints, finishes, etc.?
@Gadzooks said:
" @ElephantKnight said:
"Mmmmm, more trans yellow cockpit."
I love that it exists, but the V-19 torrent should really have a translucent black canopy."
It's got a golden windscreen in TCW.
I like the Torrent and will be getting both, but for anyone fuming about the price, here:
Basically, it’s this: the 2020 501st Legion battle pack was $29.99 and so we’re just swapping out the Barc speeder for a Dwarf Spider (and a great one at that) and we’re swapping two B1’s for three B2’s. Add a bit of inflation and where Lego Star Wars is right now, it’s not terrible. At least from a historical context because that 501st battle pack was adored!
I’m loving the Trans-Yellow cockpit too, it’s about time Lego made one.
@mkrey said:
"Remember when battle packs were $15? It was less than 5 years ago.
"
Yes in 2020 they did two battle packs with 4 figures and about 90 parts for $15.
In 2022, they did a choice of a $15 pack with 3 figures and 54 pieces or a $20 set with 4 figures and 89 parts. So $35 three years ago got you 7 figures and 143 parts. $35 then is about $38 now.
Now in 2025, they do a set with 7 figures and about 230 parts for $45. If we go for the magic 10c PPP, the extra ~80 parts will be $8. Add that to the $38, and you are at $46 and so pretty much in line with 2022 pricing.
Even taking the 2020 packs data, scaling 1.75 sets = 7 figures and 150 parts which would cost $26.25 in 2020 or $32.90 in today's money after inflation. You still then need to add another $8 for the extra part count bringing it to $41. So this $45 set is about 10% more in terms of cost compared to what a 2020 scaled up battle pack would cost today. It is even closer if you take the 80 parts to have $8 value in 2020, as that is about $10 now (alternatively, use 12.5c per part instead of 10c).
The $45 looks high compared to $15, but the sets are not really directly comparable without adjustment - it has almost double the figures and more than double the parts. And $1 buying power then is about $1.25 now. It is just a sign of the times that smaller sets are disappearing in favour of bigger ones.
If you really want to see pricing increasing, microfighters appear to be worse depending on when you compare.
In 2014-21, you got approx 80-90 pieces and a figure for $10. Pretty constant throughout that time. There were some bigger sets, but they had similar price ratios per microfighter/character.
2022 gave us another $10 / 1 figure plus 80-90 parts.
2023 gave us the same character plus 80-90 parts plus "baby Yoda" (at the time) for $16!
2023 also gave us another $10 / 1 figure plus 80-90 parts.
There is an example of cashing in on the popularity of the Disney show, $6 difference for a Grogu.
But always costing $10 for similar sets from 2014-23 shows LEGO was trying to stick to that price point despite inflation over that whole period being ~30%.
2023 $10 80-90 pieces plus a figure 75344
2024 $13 80-90 pieces plus a figure 75391
2025 $15 80-90 pieces plus a figure 75400
Two years, 50% increase. It looks off. It's more than inflation over two years. But compare it to 2014, 11 years, still 'only' 50% increase. Doesn't look quite so bad. Maybe they were making less and less profit on them as time went on and suddenly decided to adjust the costs.
Again I (and many others) are locked out of buying these due to how insanely expensive Star wars theme has become. I can't justify paying these prices for what I'm buying.
Sorry to be repetitive, but I wanted to make a comment to improve any chance (even in the slightest) of getting feedback to LEGO - $45 for battle pack is absurd. You have priced me out of this theme.
@Wallace_Brick_Designs said:
"I like the Torrent and will be getting both, but for anyone fuming about the price, here:
Basically, it’s this: the 2020 501st Legion battle pack was $29.99 and so we’re just swapping out the Barc speeder for a Dwarf Spider (and a great one at that) and we’re swapping two B1’s for three B2’s. Add a bit of inflation and where Lego Star Wars is right now, it’s not terrible. At least from a historical context because that 501st battle pack was adored!
I’m loving the Trans-Yellow cockpit too, it’s about time Lego made one. "
"Anyone fuming about the price"... did you skip every other comment on this thread? You must work for Lego. Even if you don't know that you do.
I still LOVE my 7674 V-19 Torrent.
Still have it on display, looks great, changing to flight mode is still fun and always loved how the cockpit technique to open/close was done.
Beats this new iteration out by a mile.
In flight mode, looks big, mean, menacing, intimidating.
Has less pieces than this new one. Only one fig too, but overall so much better.
Why are people complaining about the battle pack price?
Break it down and it's only $5 too high. Wait for that Amazon 20% off and it's great.
- 4 minifigs with weapons (even include the stud shooter/mortar), $5 bucks each.
$20usd
- Large battle droid. That's a polybag type build.
$5usd
- Mech. For the size, easily a $10.
$10usd
- 3 Super Battle-droid figures. Individually like $2 bucks each. Round down to $5 for all 3.
$5usd.
Add it up, $40usd bucks. Just $5usd off.
Not bad my afol bro's.
65 for that tiny Torrent is completely absurd
@legoDad42 said:
"Why are people complaining about the battle pack price?
Break it down and it's only $5 too high. Wait for that Amazon 20% off and it's great.
- 4 minifigs with weapons (even include the stud shooter/mortar), $5 bucks each.
$20usd
- Large battle droid. That's a polybag type build.
$5usd
- Mech. For the size, easily a $10.
$10usd
- 3 Super Battle-droid figures. Individually like $2 bucks each. Round down to $5 for all 3.
$5usd.
Add it up, $40usd bucks. Just $5usd off.
Not bad my afol bro's.
"
expert trolling
@legoDad42 said:
"Why are people complaining about the battle pack price?
Break it down and it's only $5 too high. Wait for that Amazon 20% off and it's great.
- 4 minifigs with weapons (even include the stud shooter/mortar), $5 bucks each.
$20usd
- Large battle droid. That's a polybag type build.
$5usd
- Mech. For the size, easily a $10.
$10usd
- 3 Super Battle-droid figures. Individually like $2 bucks each. Round down to $5 for all 3.
$5usd.
Add it up, $40usd bucks. Just $5usd off.
Not bad my afol bro's.
"
Facts. I think the complaints are because it's called a battle pack, and we think battle packs should be $10. Forever. No matter what.
@CapnRex101 said:
" @merman said:
"Still no critical article at all on BS about the silent but absurd price increases of late. That really is worth a deepdive and a critical note. Especially SW. "
I know we have exchanged comments about this before and I acknowledge this should be addressed, but it is difficult to know what there actually is to say about the pricing situation. While we could publish an article decrying how quickly prices have risen for many sets, I am honestly not sure what purpose that would serve beyond perhaps being cathartic.
I have a few ideas for more substantive articles regarding prices, but again, it is a hard topic and one we will probably never have a comprehensive understanding of as fans. However, if readers have specific ideas for what topics they wish to see addressed, I would be interested to hear them and can try and contact people within The LEGO Group if necessary.
One thing I can say is that Fan Media are absolutely reporting back the criticisms of prices and that these comments are almost certainly being read, but as others have already said, the company will be most influenced by the numbers, ultimately."
I could stand a good catharsis.
I think such an article would be fascinating. Especially, if it addressed historical inflation and Lego prices. For the benefit of BS, it would be incredible clickbait.
The worst year in our era (21-22) was 8%. During my childhood it was much, much worse. Inflation for 77-92 averaged 8.8% every year for fifteen years!!
The worst part about the new V-19 is that they completely got rid of the awesome synchronous wing & landing gear mechanism from 7674 . I just don't understand TLG's design priorities these days. There was zero reason to completely gut that play feature, even with the massive downsizing. Having to fold the wings down manually is just sad. Surely they could've come up with something better.
@ScholtzTKO said:
" @Wallace_Brick_Designs said:
"I like the Torrent and will be getting both, but for anyone fuming about the price, here:
Basically, it’s this: the 2020 501st Legion battle pack was $29.99 and so we’re just swapping out the Barc speeder for a Dwarf Spider (and a great one at that) and we’re swapping two B1’s for three B2’s. Add a bit of inflation and where Lego Star Wars is right now, it’s not terrible. At least from a historical context because that 501st battle pack was adored!
I’m loving the Trans-Yellow cockpit too, it’s about time Lego made one. "
"Anyone fuming about the price"... did you skip every other comment on this thread? You must work for Lego. Even if you don't know that you do."
Haha, I wish I worked at Lego. @CCC went the extra mile! With inflation, those two sets (the 501st Legion one from 2020, and this one) are even more comparable! I read every single comment in the thread, and that was my point: “For anyone fuming about the price” wouldve been better I suppose.
Pricing that would put a Jawa to shame.
Cloth in a battle pack???
@haani said:
"Cloth in a battle pack???"
I don't see any, sadly. they stopped doing cloth kamas and went for shitty "printed" versions that only exist on the front.
but cloth has been in BPs before, like 75036 and 75267
@lost_scotsman:
People who only build sets generally don’t understand how quickly the piece count can rack up, or how much set designers have to compromise their designs to keep piece counts as low as they do.
@LSWFan:
40450 is a model of Earhart’s red Vega 5B. Everyone complained that it should have been “minifig scale” when images first popped up. Then I ran across an image of her standing on the port wheel spat. I can’t find that specific image right now, but here’s one where she’s leaning against the same spat:
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/20-may-1932-2/amelia-earhart-with-lockheed-vega-5b-nr7952-at-culmore-north-ireland-21-may-1932/
If you figure a minifig (5 bricks tall) as representing a 6’ tall person, that puts “minifig scale” at 1 foot per stud (coincidentally, the scale used by another MichLUG member to model Detroit skyscrapers). Earhart’s plane is within a single stud of being perfectly in scale with the minifig’s height. The real plane seats six passengers, plus the pilot, and the model seems incapable of seating even one. The perception that SW sets are now too small comes from over a decade of massively oversized sets being accepted as “minifig scale”.
@Bagelwolf:
Save some time. JP/JW is going to have the worst numbers because of the large, sculpted dinosaurs. They’re not useful for any other theme, and they won’t sell nearly enough to use up the projected lifespan of the molds, so they have to cover a much larger share of the mold production costs.
The point is not the price being high; it is the price being made artificially high. BP's were always about the minifigs; and some very small sidebuilds. Since people want the figs, they just crank up piece count and price with superfluous, ugly and unneeded sidebuilds; like advent calendars weapon racks. BP's remain BP's in name but quite a while now not in meaning. The figs have become the lube to sell you bricks you didn't need nor ask for. Same issue that Lego doesn't release those blister packs with minifigs anymore. Cunning business model but sadly no longer for me.
@Wallace_Brick_Designs said:
"I like the Torrent and will be getting both, but for anyone fuming about the price, here:
Basically, it’s this: the 2020 501st Legion battle pack was $29.99 and so we’re just swapping out the Barc speeder for a Dwarf Spider (and a great one at that) and we’re swapping two B1’s for three B2’s. Add a bit of inflation and where Lego Star Wars is right now, it’s not terrible. At least from a historical context because that 501st battle pack was adored!
I’m loving the Trans-Yellow cockpit too, it’s about time Lego made one. "
To me as non 501 clone fangirl, that 501 battlepack already was absurdly overpriced.
@Eightcoins8 said:
" @Wallace_Brick_Designs said:
"I like the Torrent and will be getting both, but for anyone fuming about the price, here:
Basically, it’s this: the 2020 501st Legion battle pack was $29.99 and so we’re just swapping out the Barc speeder for a Dwarf Spider (and a great one at that) and we’re swapping two B1’s for three B2’s. Add a bit of inflation and where Lego Star Wars is right now, it’s not terrible. At least from a historical context because that 501st battle pack was adored!
I’m loving the Trans-Yellow cockpit too, it’s about time Lego made one. "
To me as non 501 clone fangirl, that 501 battlepack already was absurdly overpriced. "
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect it, but nevertheless it was adored my many (including myself).
Just pure highway robbery. Shame on you, TLG.
Vote with your wallets!
@StyleCounselor said:
"'Platoon,' is 'a unit of thirty to forty soldiers typically commanded by a lieutenant and forming part of a company.' "
When it comes to Clones, Platoon is made out of 4 squads (36 troopers), each squad of 9 is led by an officer/sergeant and the entire platoon is led by a lieutenant. It's not typically this or that, it's 41 soldiers (36 regular troops, 4 sergeants/officers and 1 lieutenant.