Preview: 75159 Death Star

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75159 Death Star has been the subject of enormous speculation for months, with some believing that we might see a display model akin to 10143 Death Star II and others considering the possibility of a set based on Starkiller Base.

Now that the set has been revealed, under bizarre circumstances, this has been proven incorrect and 75159 is instead almost identical to 10188 Death Star which was retired earlier this year. This has elicited a great deal of disappointment which is understandable as there is plenty of room for improvement and this has not been exploited to the fullest extent possible.

The reveal of 75159 Death Star has altered our schedule a little so What's Missing? Return of the Jedi will be published next Sunday instead but for now we are taking a closer look at the new set and how it differs from the original.

What has changed?

The most apparent alteration has been made to the minifigures. 10188 Death Star was released in 2008 and was finally withdrawn from sale in December of 2015, seven years and five months after it first arrived. The design of minifigures was greatly advanced during that time but the selection included in 10188 remained the same, but for the addition of white pupils to the eyes in latter production runs. This therefore left the 24 minifigures looking rather outdated after the set had been available for a few years and I am glad to see that they have been suitably updated for 75159.

There are now 25 minifigures included but only a few are brand new. Han Solo features a new hair piece and the RA-7 Protocol Droid head first seen in 75051 Jedi Scout Fighter is finally re-used on an updated Death Star Droid. The Imperial Astromech Droid has also been improved and now has blue markings to match those of R3-M3 from the film. Grand Moff Tarkin has also been updated with a new hair piece and is flanked by a pair of Imperial Officers which did not appear in 10188 Death Star. Death Star Gunners have been introduced since 2008 as well so were not included with the original set. The white Assassin Droid is the only figure to have been removed.

The new set is obviously very similar to the original but the piece count has increased from 3803 to 4016 which suggests that some changes have been made. The ones I have spotted are as follows:

  • The Imperial conference chamber now has black light fittings on the walls.
  • The dial which controls the elevation of the superlaser dish is a little taller which makes it easier to access but spoils the appearance of the model to some extent.
  • The superlaser itself has also been adjusted in order to strengthen the central laser.
  • The turbolaser underneath now includes spring-loaded shooters rather than the rubber missile launcher used on 10188 Death Star.
  • The design of the Dianoga's legs has been altered. They are now formed using horn elements in reddish brown.
  • Curved corner bricks were used for the base of the tractor beam terminal and these have been replaced by angled bricks on the new model.
  • Darth Vader's TIE Advanced has been updated quite significantly with more black pieces on the wings and some dark bluish grey slopes which have supplanted the light bluish grey parts from the 2008 design.

The back of the box shows the other side of the model and reveals a few more updates:

  • The tips of the twin turbolasers have been altered and now feature some Technic gears rather than the lightsaber hilt elements which appeared on 10188.
  • Brighter colours are used for the lever which controls the turbolasers.
  • The tool and helmet racks in the droid maintenance area have been swapped for a slightly bulkier design.
  • The window in the Emperor's throne room is formed using the printed piece which appeared in 75093 Death Star Final Duel.
  • A couple more barrels are placed on the floor in the throne room.
  • Light bluish grey bushes were used on the TIE Fighter rack in the original set and these have been swapped for yellow pieces.
  • The yellow crane in the maintenance bay has undergone some significant changes.
  • An extra baluster supports the railing on the bottom level.

What could have been improved?

I like 10188 Death Star very much but it is not perfect, particularly by the standards of today. The original design was very successful and it would be unwise to overhaul the entire model but there are therefore several improvements which could have been made and these are described below:

  • I think the weakest aspect of #10188 is the stepped design on the exterior edge of each wall. A combination of bricks with studs on the side and curved slopes could have resolved that quite easily.
  • The play value could have been further improved by allowing the floors to be easily separated, akin to a Modular Building. That would also have allowed the bottom floor to be used properly, even if only for some corridor space.
  • An outer shell could have been introduced to improve the display value, even if only on one side of the model. This could perhaps have been designed in conjunction with a feature which would allow the floors to be separated.
  • I would have omitted Darth Vader's TIE Advanced and the loading rack as it does not look very good in my opinion and also hinders access to the hangar bay for play.
  • The superlaser is not accurate to the film as the primary laser does not emit from the centre of the dish in the film and is instead formed by the eight tributary beams.
  • The tractor beam terminal area could have been improved with some additional detail as it has always looked rather bland to me.
  • The lift between the maintenance bay and the hangar bay required some refinement as the original design did not fit into the floor of the hangar properly.

Overall

The long lifespan of 10188 Death Star suggests that the set was exceedingly successful and I am sure 75159 will prove similarly popular with children and new adult fans. However, the majority of existing LEGO Star Wars fans are understandably disappointed as it would have been nice to see something new or at least see some further improvements over 10188 as there are plenty of alterations which might have been made given the huge range of new elements which have been released since 2008.

Inflation would warrant an increase over the original price of £274.99 or $399.99 but the increases far exceed that of inflation as the new set is priced at £399.99 in the UK and $499.99 in the US.

Ultimately, I do not object to the fact that 10188 Death Star has been remade but an opportunity has been missed by not making further updates. 10188 is not a perfect set and 75159 makes no attempt whatsoever to improve upon the original which is not good enough in my opinion.

I think the LEGO Star Wars range has been poor in 2016 and this set does little to change my view. 75098 Assault on Hoth was very disappointing and I do not think the standard of retail sets has matched that of earlier years. However, the Rogue One selection looks great and I look forward to reviewing them towards the end of September. We have plenty more Star Wars coverage to publish before then including two more 'What's Missing?' articles, a review of 75159 Death Star and much more!

Are you satisfied with 75159 Death Star and what changes would you have liked to see? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

135 comments on this article

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By in United States,

I have to agree with you about the quality of UCS sets in 2016. I've always been adamant that the Lego Star Wars theme should include more playsets/environments, but Assault on Hoth (and now the Death Star) are just uninspired.

Anytime you feel like making Cloud City or Dagobah, feel free Lego. We'll all be waiting.

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By in United States,

I see no point in this set. Lego could have done a way better job.

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By in United States,

Like you said. I redo where you could take the floors off would have been amazing.

Instead LEGO added a few 'ehh' mini figures and 200 pieces to try to justify a price increase.

I'm hoping 2017 we get a remake of Cafe Corner! Or maybe the yellow castle now done in grey.

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By in United States,

WOW, huge disappointment here... I had been saving up for over a year in anticipation, but it looks like that money will be forked over for the Rogue One sets. It's too bad that LEGO missed the mark here.

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By in United Kingdom,

All they did is stick the disney branding on the box? Kinda sucks. Could be worse...... ucs hoth!

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By in United Kingdom,

Not that I'm defending this aspect, but the Death Star super laser in ROTJ does include a beam from the centre of the dish. The ANH version does not as stated - perhaps Legi claim this is a ROTJ feature?

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By in United States,

I actually like the idea of "Re-releasing" this set with updated minifigs.

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By in United States,

Has anyone checked the Lego Star Wars design team to make sure they're alive?

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By in Canada,

This is incredibly disappointing, both for the fact that it's a glorified re-release and the fact that it doesn't present owners of the previous version with anything new to buy.

While there is a small pocket of the adult collector market that desires these old sets be remade, there's a larger portion -- the one that can actually put their money where their mouth is rather than drooling at pictures online -- that is being alienated. I bought the last Death Star, and if Lego wants to sell me another $500+ set, great, but it isn't going to be a re-release of something I already have. So, for every person that's excited by this set, there are ten more that have no reason to buy it. This all equates to a lost opportunity for Lego, in my opinion.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Richpepperell - True, I had not considered that. However, the version from Return of the Jedi has only seven tributary beams arranged around the edge of the dish while this model has eight, like in A New Hope.

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By in United Kingdom,

I canno believe they have not incorporated any Rogue One elements into this rerelease. You have a new Star Wars film focused on the Death Star coming out in a few months and this set has nothing from it. I get it sold well for a long time but lego have little chance of selling this to anyone who already owns 10188. A handful of new figures from rouge one and a couple of new vignettes based on the film and I bet a lot of 10188 owners would have been tempted.

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By in Portugal,

I don't understand the necessity to make a new death star if it is almost equal to the oldest one.

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By in United States,

As if millions of LEGO nerd voices suddenly cried out in terror.

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By in United Kingdom,

I don't own the original set so might buy this one but I can appreciate others' disappointment. Looking forward to reviews!

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By in Philippines,

Most fortunate that I am relatively new at LEGO Star Wars sets and see the re-release as a good thing (updated minifigures). I still see it as a win for not having to fork up a big chunk of money to pay for the old one from resellers and instead get a better-looking set for less (okay not really "less", but not at reseller pricing). :)

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By in United Kingdom,

@CapnRex101 - never knew that! Well played - looking forward to your review of this set!

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By in Philippines,

I guess, LEGO's thrust with respect to this set is to update the old set and make it more appealing to new fans/collectors?

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By in United States,

Locations lego could/should have made instead of this and/or hoth. Geonosian arena, cloud city, dagobah, jedi temple, starkiller base, etc.

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By in United Kingdom,

Well, I don't own the previous versions, so I might, one day purchase this one. I guess I have seven years to worry about acquiring it though.

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By in United States,

Any clue as to why there is a silhouette of the Falcon in the lower left corner? Maybe a hint to the return of the UCS Falcon? Or rerelease 10030..

As for this new Death Star set, it'll go with my son's Hoth set. And he's already plotting on how to save up the $$$$$, he did it for Hoth and he'll do it again.

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By in United States,

I think there are lots of reasons for the minor update:
- R&D is expensive. By making relatively few changes to a tried-and-true design, they can be confident that the set will work well in the hands of LEGO builders.
- It's an old set. The LEGO Group creates new elements and retires older ones. By slightly tweaking the design, they can eliminate parts that they would like to stop manufacturing.
- LEGO rarely increases prices on an existing set. By creating a new set they are free to pick a new price.
- They may have been pressured by Disney to update the design slightly to reflect their vision for the franchise. (It might even have easter eggs that relate to Rogue One.) They also may have needed to renew the licensing contract after 8 years.
- LEGO seems to be trying to combat resellers in a small way by re-releasing a couple sets every year. This makes reselling less predictable and less profitable.

Other reasons which don't seem valid include:
- To update the Box Art to include latest Disney branding. This seems unlikely since there is a precedent for updating box art while a set is still being produced. I have two wildly different boxes for 10220 (Volkswagen Camper Van). The newer box reflects the "Expert" product line.

Can you think of some other ideas?
---tom

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By in United Kingdom,

Can we have a UCS Falcon re-release instead?!?

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By in United Kingdom,

^ There is now no question to this set being a UCS set, unlike the constant debate to 10188..

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By in Sweden,

seen from a TFOL:s perspective it´s cool, but only if you havn´t got the 2008 edition, and not really what I expected from an UCS set. Speculation: 2017 winter UCS set - brick-built Jar Jar Binks?

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By in United States,

I think that for those of us that purchased 10188 have the right to be disappointed. I know I am. 10188 was one of my favourite builds EVER and to see a slightly "improved" (?) version released took a little wind out of my sails. I don't have one of those money trees so just picking it up without consideration isn't an option. I like seeing how everyone's reactions vary but again...I am disappointed.

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By in United States,

@henrysunset - "They may have been pressured by Disney to update the design slightly to reflect their vision for the franchise."

Explains why they took out the assassin droid. ;)

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101; respectfully, I don't believe that's the case - looking at the image stills from Ep VI, there seems to be 8 tributary beams; more importantly (for this discussion), what does the Lego Death Star II have in terms of tributary beams? A minor point, but a sticking one amongst AFOLS

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By in United States,

I do not agree with you at all. The New Hoth Echo Base was AWESOME!! whats not there to like? Whats with having to be so negative? Lego Star Wars I believe is the best Lego Theme and this years set are pretty darn good. A few of the Rogue One sets I like but not all of them. Im excited to see Lego coming out with a new Death Star. Im glad its the same exact design as its predessor because I never got the change to buy the old one at all. ITs just great to see new updated figs and a couple of new designed features. I have no negativity towards this set and I am what you call high spirited!

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By in United States,

Wish they would have made a star killer base or a Death Star from ROTJ with the panels and stuff. Other than that disappointed in the set itself but might grab it due to the fact I don't have the original one.

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By in United States,

We're all negative here, so I'll be negative. Stop desiring Rogue One to be included in this new Death Star set. We see the outside of the DS in the trailer. We don't know how much of the DS will be in the movie. I'm refraining from Roge One spoilers. Let's not complain of the set because the movie hasn't been released.

For those who don't own previous set 10188, now LEGO fans can own it with this "reissue". If people say they're disappointed because 10188 is not perfect, there are those of us who'd gladly like to have yours. Lol. If you want a new design, add to its current one by adding a new build. After all, it's LEGO.

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By in United States,

There must be something really, really big going down next year for them to be doing this with UCS sets. I might pick this up though, if I can find a good deal. Missed the first one and this one has some nice updates. With all the new brackets 'n' stuff, how hard could it have been to replace the stepped sides with smooth ones?

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By in United States,

Hmm, wonder why Tarkin wasn't given duel-molded legs... it would have been a nice touch since Imperial Officers wear knee high boots.

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By in United Kingdom,

This looks like TLG had to pull the old one from the market because Disney Bought the Film rights to Star Wars.
But TLG still wanted to sell a death star, so they cobbled together a few improvements, without doing a major redesign, which could have taken two years.

This is fine by me because I never quite got around to buying 10188. However I'll be waiting another couple of years before buying this version, because then the price rise will have been evened out by general inflation.

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By in Puerto Rico,

I was planing to buy one UCS set this year but I'll severely wait for a hefty discount on Assault on Hoth. The Death Star has never been in my interest range so that's a cash saver on the Rogue One sets I am so going to expand my Imperial vehicles collection and complement my forces.

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By in United Kingdom,

/vorwand13
Peter Cushing wore his slippers for filming as the boots hurt his feet!

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By in United States,

Total utter disappoitment

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By in Puerto Rico,

Disappointing. Definitely needed that outer shell.

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By in United States,

Maybe Lego is just following Disney's lead. TFA is a close copy of ANH so a new Death Star should just be a Close Copy of the original.

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By in United States,

LEGO FAIL

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By in United Kingdom,

Spot on as ever CapnRex101, this article sums up my thoughts exactly. I own the original Death Star and it is disappointing to see such a similar model released as there was plenty to be improved on. The Rogue One sets and action figures will be getting my money!

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By in United Kingdom,

...and if they'd re-released the UCS Falcon with updated figures everyone would be most impressed

There will be kids who'd like a Death Star play set that weren't even born when 10188 was released. For all the negativity, why re-invent when the original blueprint worked so well?

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By in United States,

Probably the reason for no Rogue One sections are to prevent possible spoilers for the movie. Lego has done pretty well with keeping even remote spoilers from their products. Also CapnRex101, will you be doing a What's Missing for Rogue One when the movie comes out?

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By in Australia,

Upside: saves me about $700 - no point buying this set.

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By in United Kingdom,

I like that they are doing re-releases. They are still getting communication wrong though. They are still terrible at announcing EOL. Announcing re-releases late is just generating disappointment instead of what should be pleasant but mostly uninteresting re-release announcement. The hype they've built about a new death star was probably an accident with a negative outcome because they try too hard to keep things secret.

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By in United Kingdom,

So, it's only mild changes here and there for a whole new release... it's a Special Edition! Expect the new new Death Star in a few years, this time with a poorly incorporated Jabba the Hutt in the TIE Advanced hangar!

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By in United Kingdom,

US price confirmed as $499.99.

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By in United States,

Well then. I will definitely not be buying for that price...

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By in United Kingdom,

Inflation since 2008 is roughly a little over 25% so this should cost circa £350 not the rumoured £450. I hope the price rumours are wrong, you can get a Sandcrawler and an Ewok Village for that much.

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By in United States,

WHAT?! Thats 100$ MORE then last time! That is preposterous , to rerelease a set and mark up it's price by 20% This is an outrage!
I WAS going to buy this if it was the same price (399.99 USD), but no I am so mad, I will never pick this set up, even at half price!

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By in United States,

Great write-up @CapnRex101, but it is a pass for me as well. Can't pull the trigger on this cost for another re-hash, with updated figs, of what I already have. If it were another Millennium Falcon I wouldn't have a choice as I have all of them and would have to keep the line alive.

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By in Australia,

I've got 10188 and it is a brilliant set, so at least they're replicating greatness. And I won't feel the need to buy this one, which is good for my wallet. It's a very surprising decision though.

Endor is increasingly looking like the high point for Lego Star Wars. The Sandcrawler was right up there as well, but with the Hoth mashup of previous sets, the rerelease of an almost identical Falcon, and now this, its feeling like we're not really getting anywhere new with these sets.

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By in United Kingdom,

Look in the bottom left of the front box art. The image of a very distinct millenium falcon?
Sense a ucs millenium falcon rehash i do
Scared for my wallet i am

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By in United States,

I haven't been this disappointed in a lego set in a LONG time. At first glance it looked like the same old death star. Even upon further examination it STILL seems like there are little to no improvements. Wasted potential here...

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By in United Kingdom,

I think Star Wars UCS collectors have been dealt 2 very cruel blows this year. The trouble is as much as I love minifigs, sets are becoming all about just the minifigs these days and this set proves it, Lego obviously want us all to go out and buy this set for a second time to get the improved minifigs and other minor changes in an attempt to justify this reissue. Lego are becoming complacent and lazy thinking we will buy anything with a UCS badge on. Assault on hoth was bad enough but this really does take the ****!!! If they are going to reissue anything make it the UCS falcon which didn't have a 7 year run and really is selling for ridiculous prices these days.

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By in United States,

@CapnRex101 ,

Another excellent preview. Thanks for the details.

I agree with the fact remaking 10188 isn't a bad idea if some needed updates were done. This doesn't seem to be the case. It's essentially a rehash which is disappointing.

Honestly, 10188 even on the secondary market is the better value of both sets especially if perspective 75159 buyers already have the majority of key minifigs from recent sets.

The designer video should be fun to watch :(

Take care,
JAIsOnline

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By in United States,

Speculation of course, but maybe the original sold so well and was so popular they didn't want to retire it, but the higher ups said you need to update some stuff to keep it on the market. So they made a few changes and are able to keep it in circulation for longer now.

I don't really care, as I have the original and am glad I'll be able to save some money. I was not looking forward to seeing a new Death Star set I wanted but couldn't afford.

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By in Australia,

I agree with you. 2016 has not had any great star wars sets so far. They are all overpriced or bad.

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By in United States,

Nest year had better have some better Star Wars sets....these ones this year have had horrible sets and mediocre minifigs.

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By in United States,

I'll just say I'm glad. Glad I don't have to buy a new Death Star set (will happily stay with the one I've been displaying for 5 years now) and glad that those that didn't get the original still have the option, with the updated figures.

I am confused to why, as others have mentioned, this didn't just wait another year and become an all-encompassing Death Star, keeping the $500 price and bringing in additional elements from Rogue One. Even with the brief teasers we've seen so far, we know there will be at least a few scenes on the Death Star, even if it will just including Krennic and making attaching the super-laser dish a play feature. Had there been those additions I'm sure many an owner of the original version would consider getting this new version, myself included.

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By in United States,

(Still thinks all the Star Wars designers are dead and Lego is just trying to play it cool...... )

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By in Canada,

I wasn't able to get the earlier Death Star. At least this one will be around for a while, so I might be able to snap at least one of them up. For fans in my situation, it's like a reprieve at the final hour.

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By in United States,

All I can think of is how 75159 Death Star now ties 10179 UCS Millennium Falcon as the most expensive model ever released to consumers by LEGO! And with 1,181 fewer pieces to boot!

Unless, of course, you want to include some of the Serious Play kits. Glad I would never collect those...

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By in United States,

But in all actuality, 10188 was a fantastic set. But in all seriousness, Lego could've legitly gotten away with rereleasing this set by simply updating the parts, rounding out the edges, and making it modular.
But instead it seems as if they've opted for the lazier version; update the figs, add 200 odd pieces nobody knows where, further ruin the unnecessary Tie Advanced, and raise the price by $100. Sorry for those who wish to remain "diplomatic" and "positive", but this flat out sucks.
As someone who never got 10188, I have no intention of getting its more expensive "new" twin. I'd rather spend it on guitars and well thought out sets instead of rehashes of old, albeit, good sets. Lego Star Wars better pick up its game, cause it doesn't seem to be doing that hot......

(mic drop)

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By in Finland,

I assume there won't be a designer video for this set... ;) Or who knows?

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By in Netherlands,

I have the original which I like a lot. When I was an 'A' but mot a 'FOL' I looked at this box and wondered who would ever buy it. But I secretly loved it and 2 years later I bought it. My love affair with LEGO was reestablished.

However, I really regret that LEGO has missed yet another great opportunity for a UCS slot. Have they run out of ideas?

Anyhow, if they must re-release sets I would love to pickup an AT-AT. I missed that one the first time round. But I hate the idea of that coming at the expense of new ideas. I already have the 10179 but I understand new fans would love to get it. I would welcome a re-release if they added an interior. That would be awesome and I would willingly drop another 500 euros to get one. Maybe even 600.

It sure has been a strange year for exclusives this year. Pass on the DS, Hoth, Batcave and Minecraft. Simply not worth the money. Beetle is questionable since it lookes like a 2cv but it is charming at least. But the Big Ben, Disney Castle (fantastic and daring), Xmas Train and the Porsch are sure buys.

However, bottom line is that I will have spent significantly less money on LEGO this year than other years. If this applies to most people it will certainly show up in the sales charts and make them re-think their approach.

Re-releases? Fine. In stead of new ideas? NO!!! Making it sound like it is a new set (i.e. Not managing expectations)? Playing with fire of the loyalty of AFOLs.

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By in Canada,

I'm sure if not for the rumour mill and fans hyping it up to themselves, this would be more understandable. The original is a great set, but the minifigs have been out dated for a while now. Makes perfect sense to do this, though I do agree it is a bit of a let down.

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By in New Zealand,

Just broke the news to my seven year old son, his reply "I don't want the same one, I want a NEW one!" I agree, I think Lego have really dropped the ball with the UCS series 2016. I would normally have bought anything Star Wars UCS but won't be buying this and will only get the Assault of Hoth if massively discounted. I'm sure others agree. Whoever is making these decisions at Lego need to re engage with their fans/customers...maybe give CapnRex101 a call.

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By in Australia,

Of all sets to re-release, this really is the worst possible choice. Hell, even re-releasing Red 5 would be better. I know I'm in the minority in really disliking 10188, but still, this is a set which was available for possibly longer than any other set ever, and which has barely increased in price on the secondary market, indeed if you live in the US you can probably pick up a second hand 10188 for less than the cost of this rehash. If lego really is trying to go after resellers, this is the worst possible set to do so with.

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By in Poland,

Thank you for a thorough review Capn, because I don't think we need anything more. It's a waste of your time to explore the subject further.

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By in Switzerland,

I don't know... For me, UCS, should be about highly detailed sets, that have great display value, not about play features mainly. This is no "collectors" item, this is very expensive child's play. And for that, it's quite expensive. And to basically re-release a set, that just had been discontinued is a shitty move. I hoped that SW merch wouldn't go so uninspired so fast with all the new stuff that's coming out, but Lego really dropped the ball with this years sets so far... :(

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By in United Kingdom,

I think a interview with the LEGO Star Wars theme department head is a must (in the same way @Huw did with the Technic head of department) to explain what the current thinking is, and what kind of market research was done with regards to this set.

I do wonder if Disney tax was something to do with this, and there wasn't enough meat on the bone with 10188 @£275.

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By in United Kingdom,

After the poor effort that was 75098: Assault on Hoth I feared Lego were going to drop the ball with this opportunity and that is exactly what they did. I don't think Lego really wanted to make the effort of a re-design but wanted a way to increase the price substantially so withdrew the previous version so they could just bring it back with a hugely inflated price. it is just corporate greed. Lego, go and sit on the naughty step and think about what you have done.
I was hoping for a design that accommodated microfighter style versions of the iconic ships from the film so was hoping for large hanger decks; whilst keeping the iconic scenes from the film, albeit in a new, updated and re-imagined way.

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By in Australia,

UCS RIP 2016
UCS designers MIA
On a more serious note it would be interesting to know the thinking behind the incredible laziness of Insult on Hoth and this "updated" set.
Lego if you are going to be incredibly lazy, rerelease 10179 please.

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By in Australia,

I think it is a great play set - and really happy for those who want to purchase it, especially children after the success of the Star Wars Film and therefore a great move on Lego's part, if only for that reason alone.

I am sad for me, as an AFOL however, as I wanted a UCS Death Star, not a playset Death Star with a UCS badge. I was really hoping for a modern 10143.

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By in United Kingdom,

If its gone from £275 up to £400-450 thats banana's !
The new Snowspeeder needs to be great and £180 tops to stop me thinking Lego has lost the plot.

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By in Venezuela,

It's too expensive

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By in United States,

The saddest thing about this is that ridiculously priced sets like this encourage people to buy rip-offs just because they can't afford to throw away $500 on a remake of the previous Death Star. If I ever bought the set, I'd be buying it for the minifigs primarily, and even then I'd be buying it for the Stormtrooper minifigs. I suppose this means I'm going back to buying battle packs. At least the price hasn't gone up ridiculously on THEM.

That AT-ST and Hover Tank had better be good.....those are probably the only sets I'll buy that aren't battle packs.

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By in United Kingdom,

Accounting for inflation and the new bricks, $449.99 would have been fine, but $499.99? Sheesh. Especially for a re-release of a set that was available less than a year ago for $100 less, this is ludicrous. Hopefully the sales figures will prove that the Lego Star Wars team need to get their act together. I know the community judges Lego pricing too harshly, especially considering inflation, but this is a real example of awful pricing.

Seriously, the most interesting thing about this set that wasn't in the old one is Han's new hair piece.

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By in United States,

Disappointed? Yes. But, I must confess that I am a little relieved that I will be able to keep my money and buy the Disney castle and the Classic Batcave this year.

We've got this one already. I will find Han's new headpiece some other way.

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By in United States,

I was REALLY hoping that the leaked pics I'd seen were just a spoof, and not the real thing. So, now that I know that those leaked pics were the real deal, I am extremely disapointed. On the other hand, it does save me 500.00 to buy up some of the Rouge One sets. Between this and the Attack on AFOL's Hoth UCS (Useless Crap and Scrap) set, I'm really starting to worry about Lego's devotion to it's fan base though.

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By in United Kingdom,

I was holding off buying the Disney castle until this was unveiled then decide which one to get, looks like it's going to be the Disney castle. Lego have really dropped the ball this year with the Star Wars UCS line. Next year is the 40th anniversary of the original film, let's hope they bring some good sets to commemorate that.
I do have a small dilemma though, I bought 10188 not long before it was retired and with other sets that have come out demanding my time it is still MISB. The question is do I sell that in order to get this updated version or just keep it and forget this one? If the rumoured price of £450 which is absurd is to be believed I don't think 10188 will fetch that much though.

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By in United States,

PASS! 25% increase is just too much for a re-hash of the same set.

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By in United States,

Uninspiring update so I'll pass on this set. Sorry Lego, but no $$ from me. I think the update is lackluster. I would have jumped at a re-issue of the Millennium Falcon, since I missed out on the original. The Star Wars theme was one of my favorites, but these last two years the releases have be mediocre. I'm glad there are other interesting themes that hold my interest.

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By in United States,

I agree,but I never got the old one so I will get this one.

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By in United States,

Instead of just the repurposed original a straight modular version would be intriguing. Allow the audience to buy the scenes they want and construct the Death Star that speaks to them. Would also be a great economic generator.

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By in United States,

^Exactly, they could release one or two sections a wave priced at $20-40,, and people would be encouraged to keep buying the sets because in the end they build a complete Death Star. Lego could potentially drag out the construction of a Death Star for years by taking their time releasing the extensions. The only problem would be that some sections might have better play features than others as Lego evolves and makes better play features.

I'm surprised Lego hasn't done anything like that. They did that with a lot of LOTR sets, with two parts, one inexpensive set(for example the Uruk Hai Army pack) and one big set that attaches to that( Helm's Deep). You could keep buying Uruk Hai army packs to extend your wall while massing armies of Uruks and Rohan soldiers. I wish Lego did that with Star Wars.

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By in United States,

@Dalek135, I loved the LOTR line almost entirely because of the Helms Deep/Uruaki Army packs. It was a great way to expand the set while building an army, but wasn't necessary for the set even. I bought 4 or 5 of them I remember. I don't know if licensing issues prevent them from doing that with Star Wars, but they could do that with the Death Star, Hoth trench, Endor possibly, etc. There are quite a lot of options for something like that.

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By in United States,

Licensing issues... in just2good's most recent video, he was speculating about the Hoth board game never getting released here because of licensing issues. Hm. Legalese is a very strange thing sometimes, and I do not even pretend to understand it, but how could modular sections of Death Star with some clever functions each violate Hasbro's license to print money... er, make action figures and board games rather than LEGO (although why Constraction figures don't count as action figures, I will never know)? Seems like a modular series like that would be popular, there's a collectability side to it but they could each stand on their own. I don't think that just the bottom or top sections would work on their own, though, and it seems like this sort of thing is a relic of the early 2000's, when they tried this with mini builds. Each set of 2 came with some of the parts for another ship IIRC.

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By in United States,

4016 at the usual about 0.10 per part, should make it still about a 400.00 set. Way overpriced. Are there actually enough people in the world who would buy an overpriced set for 500.00 (even... if it wasn't overpriced)?
Though, it is possible that the initial pricing is intentionally overpriced, knowing that in the near future they will be lowering it as a 'sale' to what it actually should have initially been regardless.

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By in United States,

If I were to write to LEGO, what would I say? Though I won't bother... here's what I might say about our 'new' Death Star...

'Dear Lego:

You just needlessly lost another $499.00 this year. I would have truly fallen in love 75159 Death Star due to its rich selection of minifigures alone, had you updated the exterior design and one or two of the tired vignettes from 10188, not simply tweaked them.

While the tweaks to the Minifigures, Tie-advanced and Throne Room window are fantastic, why did you not include at least one scene from Rogue One (aka, Director Krennic overseeing destruction of Jeddah and include Krennic and 2 Death Troopers)? I was truly looking forward to an updated Death Star playset worthy of the UCS badge. Where is the display stand with specs and technical readout?What even makes this a UCS but for the brick count and price tag? Why isn't the trash monster a large figure like a Wampa or Rancor?

Seeing as I already own 10188 x2 (plus added another 5k bricks to correct what was wrong with the original), it is highly unlikely that I will ever buy this set. I am totally frustrated by this release because it sends the message to all AFOL that you take us for granted.

As a marketer, I am certain that 60% of the sales based on the Lucasfilm IP can be attributed to this group. That's more than a quarter of your overall revenue each year. You went from the brink of bankruptcy in 1999, to became the world's most profitable toy company because of this group's love for Star Wars and your mastery of Omni channel marketing. If you are not careful, the title that you worked so hard to achieve, will fade.

The best thing to happen to LEGO fans was Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm. Their release of new films, forced you to produce new sets and minifigures. While the Galaxy Far Far Away is unlimited, your ability to dream of new sets and designs is not. Thankfully, the Rogue One line will give us something new in the Fall. I have my fingers crossed for a true UCS StarKiller Base and UCS Cloud City in 2017 or maybe you guys will get creative again, give us a Ralph McQuarrie or Star Wars Holiday Special - inspired Advent Calendar?

As an AFOL, I am hopeful that you will read my feedback and those of my contemporaries. Hope it will light a creative fire within your team to inspire you to move on these suggestions to our joy and your financial success.

Thank you,

Ron Vining'

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By in New Zealand,

To me personally, as a long time Lego fan (437 sets and counting), this is a bigger disappointment than the Hoth set this year.

Can anyone at Brickset shed some light on what's happened in the SW department at Lego in the last year? Personnel change? It doesn't make sense when the other departments are releasing superb sets - Disney Castle, Creator Modular and the Ghostbuster HQ have been brilliant.

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By in United States,

^^^Indeed. I would buy this thing IN A HEARTBEAT....if it cost MUCH LESS.

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By in United States,

"As a marketer, I am certain that 60% of the sales based on the Lucasfilm IP can be attributed to this group."

Um....there's no way that AFOLs make up 60% of Lego SW sales. As a self-professed 'marketer', you should know better.

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By in United States,

To sum up all my thoughts about this Re-release: Disappointment.

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By in United States,

trust me, you guys will not be complaining when you see the UCS set coming out after the Snowspeeder next year :)
Well, your wallet maybe.... its a biggie.

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By in United Kingdom,

Oh dear. Well, that'll save me some £s.

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By in United Kingdom,

I agree that it is a bit disappointing. Would have been great if Lego could have added some form of hinged exterior to it. Make it look a bit more imposing before opening it up for the play features.

Oh well back to waiting for a UCS Millennium Falcon re-release or the sorely missing UCS AT-AT (which are also in Rogue One so would be ideal to coincide with the film) x

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By in United States,

My 7 year old just said "We already have that set". I think that says it all.

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By in United States,

I had 10188 but it got totally destroyed beyond repair during Hurricane Sandy. I'm contemplating getting this new one, despite the $500 price tag which seems a bit high. Given these circumstances, would anyone recommend this new Death Star over the new Disney Castle? I was thinking about getting that, and I don't have $850 for both haha!

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By in United States,

Pathetic. And decreases the value of the exsisting Death Star on BrickPicker as well. A double disappointment.
If I were to pick a set to redo it would have been the TAJ MAHAL. Its way overpriced and the design is classic and so beautiful. I do hope LEGO will consider the TAJ MAHAL re-release as a gift to counter-act the recent and disappointing renditions of the pathetic 2016 UCS models. Thank goodness the Disney Castle is so beautiful!

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By in United States,

@Smallboo75, I highly doubt that they considered the value on BrickPicker when choosing to put this set out. It seems to me that, given the success of the other one, they wanted to keep it in production and for sale for longer, but figured it could stand some updates. So they rereleased with some minor changes, while not really changing it at all. As the Calendar quote says, the Death Star is back, which means it was never going to be a new set. Everyone just assumed it was, as the rumor meant.

And rereleasing the Taj Mahal, while cool, would undoubtedly not help with it being overpriced. They aren't going to release it again for cheaper. It would only ever be the same price or more expensive.

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By in United States,

WOOHOO!! So glad to see INNOVATION and FRESH IDEAS are still thriving at LEGO.

After all, new designs for UCS sets are so 2015...

**end sarcasm**

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By in United States,

Wow ... Lego taking a page out of Lepin's book and cloning old Lego sets!

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By in United States,

WOW, @The_Chosen_1 has a God complex?

Keep in mind that I did not state 60% of LEGO overall profits. I was specific to the Lucasfilm IP.

Let's evaluate AFOL market behavior vs. Children (non AFOL) market behavior. Most AFOL buy all sets, typically Children (unless rich parents) tend to pick and choose. Most AFOL buy 2 or more of the most expensive sets, typically Children do not buy the high end sets (certainly not all, likely not multiple of same). While my overall LEGO spend (across all IP) may be less than that of the typical child, my overall LEGO Star Wars spend is likely 5x that of the typical child. If we assume that most LEGO Star Wars AFOLs follow my behavior, then my theory holds true. Yes or no? Seeing as LEGO does not publish these figures, we may never know...

Last I checked, this was a forum for us to comment on LEGO, not one another. And if so, in a cordial manner. But if you wanna go, bring it on. =)

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"As a marketer, I am certain that 60% of the sales based on the Lucasfilm IP can be attributed to this group."

Um....there's no way that AFOLs make up 60% of Lego SW sales. As a self-professed 'marketer', you should know better.
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By in Luxembourg,

The biggest problem is the price. It is way to expensive for what it is.

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By in Luxembourg,

This is no UCS set this is a giant playset!

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By in United Kingdom,

Children. Toys. Pram. :-)

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By in United Kingdom,

Wish everyone would stop debating the lack of re-design. It's totally overshadowed by the £125 price increase. At £275 I struggled to justify the purchase and ultimately never bought it. A fact I regretted after it went OOP. There is no such struggle with this £400 set. I'm getting a Lepin Death Star.

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By in United States,

Ah nothing like a disappointing set announcement to get the blood boiling! *goes to get popcorn*
In all seriousness though, half a thousand dollars is a bit much to ask for what is still essentially going to be a glorified remake, and that said remake can actually still be bought for decently cheap elsewhere. Heck, with the money you save from not buying this one, you could plausibly get some updated versions of most of the minifigures on the aftermarket, but the set would look just as good on a display. It's nothing worth getting angry over though. After all these are fun toys and hobbies!
I do wonder how the heck they expect ANY children to buy this set, let alone convince their parents to get it for them. I know UCS aren't exactly cheap, but that doesn't mean they aren't displayed prominent quite often.

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By in United States,

Ha...I thought the last one was too expensive, silly me as I see now it was a steal! As much as I have enjoyed the Lego Star Wars stuff, there is no reason to pay what they are asking for this stuff.

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By in United States,

Xikriw, all the same it's particularly frustrating to see a lack of effort when it comes from a high-price deluxe subline.

The $100 price increase does indeed smack of what I call licenseflation, which seems to have hit the Lego Star Wars line from 2009 onward.

2016 does seem to have been an off year where the UCS stuff has been concerned. Regular sets like Obi-Wan's Jedi Interceptor are alright.

Cordak, they took out the assassin droid because it was a reference to something that is (thankfully) no longer canon: IG-88 transferring his consciousness into the Death Star's computer.

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By in United Kingdom,

Xikriw - totally agree.

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By in United States,

@Greendude

This is the saddest part: Lego's prices are driving people to buy cheap rip-offs.

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By in United States,

I agree with Xikriw. While I have the benefit of already purchasing the original back in the day, it was never said that a brand new, redesigned Death Star would be coming out. We all just hoped so. The price increase is off putting, and would make me annoyed if I hadn't already purchased the older one. But otherwise I have no issues. Honestly we should probably feel lucky the original stuck around as long as it did for the price that it did.

Again, I'm a little biased because I already have the old one, but we can all relax a bit more. We were never promised a brand new set, and it's clearly just meant as a re-release with a few newer elements to keep it up to date.

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By in United Kingdom,

At the risk of sounding like a heretic, I am starting lose faith with Lego.....or more precisely Lego and their relationship with Disney. First the Lego Disney Castle and now the Death Star.......£289 and £399 respectively. I feel as though I am being ripped off.....at least you can still buy an Airfix Lancaster for £30 (rant over....back to my Classic Space MOC)

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By in United Kingdom,

@monkyby87

Let's not kid ourselves that Lego thought they needed to update the elements. They thought they needed to update the price.

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By in Luxembourg,

I didn't buy 10188 as I had find it a heck of money to pay for a Lego (and considering I would not play with it being an adult).
Now that I have a 7 yeard-old son interested in Star Wars and Lego, I will consider this "update" (as Lego officially called it as it seems) but not at full price. With a proper discount, it should be more or less the same price of 10188 on Bricklink.

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By in Netherlands,

399 pounds for 213 pieces i think i will bricklink these and call it the 10188 upgrade pack for 30-40 pounds :)

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By in Australia,

Two nice playsets - this one much better than Hoth, and great for people who do not have it - and as stated obviously popular with its long run.

However, I would like to see some UCS non playsets next please :) ie UCS Kylo Ren's Shuttle would be awesome...

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By in United States,

This is something rare in Lego that we should take note of. This is one of the few cases where the core product and design outlived enough of its needed elements to require an evolution when it went back for another production run, thus evolving it into a new product model.

Actually for the non collectors. For the builders, we really should be wishing they would do this more. Rather than limited releases that grossly inflate aftermarket.

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By in Montenegro,

Why the re-launch of the Lego DS might be a problem for TLG:

Re-launch of the “updated” DS did not provide the sense of UCS scarcity, but redundancy. It is ignoring the exclusiveness of the UCS series, and it abrupts the philosophy of the evanescence and elite stigma of Lego UCSs.
It is not developing valuable and scarce resources, but itteration.

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By in United Kingdom,

@Kostur

Did you put this through a thesaurus? Half of it doesn't make sense.

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By in Finland,

€599 in Finland, I don't know what to say to that.

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By in United States,

Next UCS should be the Falcon. I think they are hinting at it by the shadow on the box cover.

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By in United Kingdom,

Incredibly disappointed, such a lazy attempt

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By in Germany,

With Death Star as such an iconic element in the world of Star Wars, I can only imagine that the previous discontinue of the older model was simply an attempt to re-release it again, no doubt with a newer and higher price, maybe also to remove some old elements that is no longer in production (this I'm not too sure).

And the lazy attempt of making minor improvement simply shows that the main purpose of re-release is meant only to increase the price. Nothing else. A better approach, if a higher price is intended, is to give a better product. However this is not what is seen here. And this is what causes the disappointment.

Is this analysis correct?

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By in Sweden,

30% price increase in Sweden, that´s just laugable.

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By in United States,

Han's new hair was at least five years overdue. Not to mention that there was absolutely no need for a new mold. They should have just gone with Aragorn's hair.

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By in Australia,

$799.99 from [email protected] Australia. Yeah, nah. That ain't going to happen.

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By in United Kingdom,

Questions: Can a minifigure fit inside Darth Vader's Tie Fighter? Why was there a white Assassin Droid in the 2008 Lego Death Star - was there one in the 1977 film somewhere in the background aboard the Death Star????

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By in United Kingdom,

Price hike for the word disney on the box..... #epicfail

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By in United States,

If there isn't a new UCS Falcon for the 40th Anniversary of Star Wars next year, then Lego will have successfully lost my $ since I now am only missing 1 UCS set (10179). PLEASE don't make the same UCS choices next year Lego! Listen to the AFOL crowd which is crying out for improved sets, but also sets that have been missed for years, like a UCS AT-AT. Rogue One is a perfect opportunity to get kids excited again about the AT-AT, so don't miss out on that market either. Just release 3 UCSs next year: Snowspeeder (already confirmed), Falcon, AT-AT. People will love you for it.

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By in Australia,

I just noticed this set on the Lego Shop. $799AUD? You've got to be joking! Does Lego really think that the average family has that much spare cash to spend on a children's play set? 2016 has been a very disappointing year - firstly the horrible mess of Assault on Hoth and now this Death Star (which looks ok IMO, but costs a small fortune). It's almost like the Lego designers have stopped putting in any effort...

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