LEGO Ideas: the results are in!

I’ve got no interest in neither of these

Congratulations to the winners! The A-Frame Cabin is a great pick! The BTS' Dynamite was actually a big surprise to me.

Really!!! The cabin is fine, and I guess there is a market of BTS fans but really this selection was a dud for me.... Let's hope for a better result from the brick link selection

The A-Frame cabin was my favourite out the bunch, be fun seeing how it ends up as a final product

I have no idea what BTS is...

Yawn. Easy way to save money.

Awful choices. Ideas is becoming a bit of a waste of time.

Well I can’t say I’m pleased with either, but I’m glad BTS fans will get their idols in Lego form, and the cabin could entice me come product reveal time.

Disappointed that Snow White didn’t get through, and maybe even more so with the lack of Mini Golf. Bricklink Designer Program please?

Another disappointing result...

No interest in me. Perhaps the most unnecessary and awful outcome of the LEGO Ideas rounds to date.

Just a friendly reminder that not every Lego set needs to be designed and marketed with you in mind.

Ah, Ideas Results Day! A wonderful time to drink the delicious tears of people who seem to think every Ideas set should cater to them personally.

Release "Jazz Quartet" and then just stop with this nonsense.
Ideas should be about sets that break some kind of boundary for what you can do with lego, not just your average building moc. And the BTS set...come on, get in there Lego.

A-frame looks amazing. A worthy winner

Not even an ARMY but I'm so glad Dynamite won!

Ouch. Well BTS is surprising but given how popular they are it’s probably a good business decision? Not for me but I have friends who will be happy. The A-Frame is nice but I’m dubious of how well the final model will live up to the fan model. Not in my top 5 picks, but I might still buy it. Surprised that Snow White ended up not making it though. And bummed that none of the many, many medieval submissions were selected… again. How many more surveys and votes and BrickLink designer program sell-outs do they need to recognize that there’s pent-up demand for more castles? I’m sure that the AFOL community skews more in that direction than the average Lego consumer, but the intensity still suggests there’s *some* market worthy of being included alongside other offerings. They make how many cars a year?

EDIT: All respect to both designers because the A-Frame cabin is still very well done, but I personally would have preferred the other log cabin that was in this review.

BTS’s Dynamite is nothing but a money spinner for LEGO. Zero skill required in designing those buildings which just goes to show that you don’t need any sort of imagination these days for this theme - it doesn’t look like the ‘creators’ even bothered to actually build it but saved time and any energy in doing it in studio instead - time for a total overhaul.

The BST Disco will sold out in a momemt, their fan base is huuuuge. So this was a very commercial choice.

My favourite one was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I wonder whether Peter Dinklage's recent outburst about Disney impacted the decision to reject it.

No interest in the band, but BTS are published by Universal, so I imagine that helped the set get chosen. I have a friend who is obsessed with BTS, and seemingly all things Asia, but I feel they'd be more interested in the Chinese New Year set aesthetic than what looks to me like 1950's America.

I feel the cabin will change quite a lot between being approved and being released. Difficult to say at this point if it's of interest.

I've never seen a set as uninspired as the BTS one. There's a bigger chance I'll like a set simply called "Wall".

Happy to see the cabin, but I doubt they are going to use Thor hammers in that huge quantity to create the masonry.

A-frame looks beautiful, hopefully it translates well into the official. Hope those trees stay the same, because the colors are gorgeous. Might not end up picking it up, but more for cost/space than anything else. The design is great.

Couldn't care less about BTS, but I know how popular they are so it makes sense. Especially since Lego is putting a focus on musical themed sets now. Is this the new sitcom? Unfortunately the bold itself looks exceedingly dull, so hopefully the actual set has some visual interest.

Surprised by Snow White, really curious what the issue I was. I have to assume it's some sort of licensing conflict, otherwise I have no idea why it would have been held back an entire review. It seems to be a pretty standard build, so I doubt it's a structural issue. It's odd though, given their close relationship with Disney.

Sad, but not terribly shocked by the lack of Knight Rider, that Semi was a thing of beauty. Likewise for the A-Team van. Both those licenses were really let down by dimensions, and deserved full sets. Also somewhat surprised Jaws didn't make it through. It's a fantastic model of a fishing boat, and a classic film. The rest is pretty much castles and modulars, so we all knew how that was going to turn out.

I wanted the log cabin ti be approved, The a-frame cabin might be a buy for me but the BTS is no buy for me. BTS is a mystery for me. I have no clue about it's origin.
I like the idea behind ideas but somehow they never produce sets I want to buy.

I personally like the A-Frame, quite cosy looking, reminds me of stuff youd build in Minecraft

Pop music wise im under a rock (havent listened to radio willingly in 8 years), but even I know roughly who BTS are, huge with younger people rn, so not a suprise it got through, though Id personally prefer the Cabin

I know this set isn't for me, and that's okay, but wow that BTS "idea" looks lazy. I don't mind them making a set but it feels like whoever submitted this did the absolute bare minimum to get a share of the profits. No love went into that build.

The cabin is cool, should fit into any lego city outdoor scene, and it's a complete house!

The final versions will hardly look like the winning models. Don't worry.

Well, the A-Frame cabin was my favorite amongst all of the sets that passed the threshold and I can't believe it was approved. On the other hand the BTS submission is ridiculously plain and just a shameful attempt to get through based on the popularity of the group (well done).

In the end I'm quite happy that a model I really liked got through, so I guess we'll let the BTS set slide.

Just a friendly reminder: these are Ideas that are chosen, not finished products. So, even tho the BTS looks so rudimentary, it is still a great Idea for Lego. Let the designers do their magic with that idea and then proceed to critique. The cabin is lovely, the first time I saw it I made it my wallpaper. I wonder if lego will adopt it for seasonal changes in-the-box.

It’s a shame the mini golf didn’t go through. That seemed aligned with the spirit of Ideas. At least, the original spirit, since it increasingly feels like a vehicle for one-off licensed sets. (On licensing, I’d have rather enjoyed a Speed Champions KITT, but I guess that wasn’t to be.)

what the hell is a bts dynamite? and why dont the figs have faces? Lego ideas is turning into americas funniest home videos. where every week, the winning video was always the dumbest one.

I'm really disappointed the snow white and seven dwarfs did not make it through. I would like lego to explain the reasoning behind that one, because the ones I can think of are easily contradicted.

As for these two sets, easy pass. I don't see the fascination in BTS and the A cabin is similar to the bait shop in many respects, the lack of a back wall to it is also a further drawback, though they might change that. The open back design is something that puts me off a lot of sets recently.

There were many far more interesting sets in this round than those that made it through and its getting to be a rather disappointing trend of the Ideas theme that while so many make it through to the review, so few are chosen and rarely those that prove interesting.

I admire the contributors to Ideas who continue to persist with sets that experience tells will not make it through, especially when there are alternatives like Rebrickable and others where their sets would be accepted without review. Sooner or later, lego are going to have people turning away from the Ideas site and while it will help lessen the review selection, I think lego will suffer for it in the long run.

Though Bricklink is an alternative solution, I'm failing to see the value of it at present, because its all to easy to miss out on sets, the price is too much and the wait for them to be delivered is too long. Nor is there a certainty that the set you want will be selected from those that failed to pass the review.

@craiggrannell

I agree, I thought the golf game would be a great pick. Fun, inventive, and it's quite nice to look at. Ah well.

I have no idea what BTS is. But other than that, that building could have been built by a six year old. Sorry, not impressed at all.

Wow, did not see that coming. Personally I have no interest in the selected sets but my youngest is a massive BTS fan so her next birthday or Christmas present is now sorted... depending on when they're released? 2023?
I wanted the A Team, mini golf, Jaws, floating city, movie set, that yellow robot dog thing, Knightrider... oh well and least one member of my household will be happy.

Nope, Nope,Nope…..

I had to google BTS as I had never heard of them, zero interest in that set! The cabin is sweet and I’ll probably get it, my interest in ideas is definitely on the wain, I appreciate its diverse, but it’s getting so niche with the branded sets. I prefer the non branded sets like the treehouse, the globe, fishing store!

Snow White would’ve been amazing and we were really hoping it would be approved.

Seething about build aside (because you shouldn't need to be a master MOC builder to get an idea in when some of the most sophisticated models get minimized by LEGO's process anyway, you just need to have something recognizable and half-decent — look at the glow-up Steamboat Willie got), I'm really curious about the age designation too. Ideas is very clearly squarely in the 18+ segment now, despite the approval policy not being designed for the same. With the Stranger Things and Spice Girls BrickHeadz being 16+ because it's BrickHeadz, what happens to BTS?

I think the BTS set will probably be very simply summed up by the following fan bases:

Lego fans - "What's BTS? I can't understand Lego's choice whatsoever, and it's not a set I'll be buying."
BTS fans - "OMG OMG OMG OMG they make a BTS Legos set!!!!!!1xxxx"

In short, it'll be a massive commercial success for Lego. Heck, it might even end up being like the Queer Eye set and just be a good parts pack for the AFOL's.

@Lamarider said:
"Release "Jazz Quartet" and then just stop with this nonsense.
Ideas should be about sets that break some kind of boundary for what you can do with lego, not just your average building moc. And the BTS set...come on, get in there Lego."

I would add sets based on IP/licenses that would never warrant a full theme. (Back To The Future was one of the first Ideas sets after all…) But I think there’s a good argument for that keeping to classic properties or those of very broad appeal and cultural significance. Here we had an opportunity for great builds of Jaws and The A-Team, etc.…Instead they choose a boring model based on a YouTube video?

Or something…In truth, I don’t actually know what Dynamite/BTS even is. But I feel pretty confident in assuming it’s not a piece of art or pop culture that’s going to be lovingly rewatched for 30+ years as an inspirational, iconic work gathering generations of fans the world over. (Certainly not if it’s anything like this build…I’m not even sure what it’s going for.)

I’m happy for the people who wanted these sets to pass!

Bad move from TLG. Snow White and Seven Dwarves would make a nice set. Good work TLG, keep producing crappy and meaningless sets for young (read lost) generation.

That's a surprising selection, for sure.

Also had to look up BTS (I previously thought it was possibly a computer game I hadn't heard of!). I think that is a direct attempt to tap into a new market, and distinctly oriented away from core Western European Lego fans. Not a bad thing.

They're going to have to do something special with the A-frame cabin for me to consider buying it - that MOC just looks too fiddly for me.

@Givememorebricks said:
"Bad move from TLG. Snow White and Seven Dwarves would make a nice set. Good work TLG, keep producing crappy and meaningless sets for young (read lost) generation."

Oh, brother.

A-frame it is indeed a really great Moc that display great building techniques. Hopefully those trees won't be changed much in the final product, although I strongly doubt it. But the BTS' Dynamite is just embarrassing for all the lego designers an winner of the 10K achievement ... I mean seriously Lego???? It is a bunch of bricks put up as a stupid building.....awful!

The A-Frame cabin might look good next to the TreeHouse

The BTS thing... looking closely at the pictures, the main wall is not even properly contructed, it is just piling 1x2 bricks at the same position, not even forming a stable wall. Letters look like having just been written on top with MsPaint. In the record store, tiles are just floating in the windows. The doughnut thingy is copied from 60233. Seriously?

@visigot and don't forget it was designed by TWO people!

@augen said:
"My favourite one was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I wonder whether Peter Dinklage's recent outburst about Disney impacted the decision to reject it."

Yeah that was kind of my thought; not necessarily a great time to release a set based upon a pretty stereotypical representation of a physical condition.

Cabin looks great and I hope LEGO won't make it too bright/colorful, because it may lost charm.

BTS has poor idea and poor build, so its very disappointing choice. After reading description on Ideas page I thought it's fictional band, then I saw comments here and googled it...
No, I wouldn't be happy see my band or my sitcom in Ideas because it's not very creative and more interesting things could be there.

About 7 dwarfs house: the built looks great, LEGO could use it as unlicensed cottage house with some farmer and pigs.

Wow, the BTS one has to be one of the worst 'designed' projects to ever reach this stage. It looks like it was built by a six-year old*.

But from a commercial point of view it will obviously fly off the shelves and at least nobody is going to complain when the final version looks nothing like the fan model.

By contrast the A-Frame Cabin is quite cool though not something that I'd buy.

*Which I guess is much of their fanbase.

Comments based in the comments here:

The BTS submission is the perfect Ideas submission. It hasn't taken many hours of building, it is a sketch of an idea for a set. Just what the platform is about. It's going to give the Lego designers a lot of flexibility in creating a set.

The A-frame cabin is almost the opposite: a detailed, lovingly crafted MoC that will need lots of changes to become a viable set. Lots have voted for it in the expectation that this is exactly what they'll get to buy and will be angry and frustrated with the final product.

BTS over Lord of the Rings? How can you LEGO!!!?????

I'm impressed by the Cabin, but I have almost no interest in K-Pop, so no BTS for me, even iof the diner has a nice retro vibe.

If they do a Taylor Swift set though...

Hello everybody! Congrats to the winners… as always!
Without entering into discussion/polemic on Lego’s choices (I like some, dislike others but who cares) I pose this question. I did not know what or who BTS is (being myself a hobbyist musician). My kids, 15 and 16 told me it’s the famous corean group singing “butter”. But none of my very old friends - literally none - know who they are or even heard of them. So, being ideas targeted (and limited in fact) to >18, who voted for this band and who among the 15yo will remember them (1 year = 1 lifetime) by the time the set hit the shelf? Ciao guys! Keep building

So of Lego Ideas sets commemorating the arts, so far we're getting Vincent van Gogh and a boy band.

Very disappointed in this.

The A frame cabin is well done, although of no interest to me. Congrats to the designer but for me at least nothing really stood out about it, it's just a cabin. Nothing really special about it.

But BTS? Why?? The fan submission doesn't even have faces, and the 'build' is just a facade. I'm sick and tired of Lego Ideas choosing random IPs over unique, creative ideas.

It's literally just the band. There's no play features, no detail. While BTS is popular in Korea and many young people like them now (although that's likely to change within the next month when the next 'trendy' band comes along), they wouldn't have the same reach as say, Queen (yet sets based on Queen were rejected) or the Seven Dwarfs (which would be popular both because it's Disney and because of the long tradition of Snow White with both the original film and more modern versions).

How popular was the Adventure Time set? Not very much at all. It was another set based on what Lego thought was popular with kids at the time, which it was, but not for very long and not so popular to justify people going out and buying some random Lego set of it.

The BTS set will be of very little interest to adults (I think we can agree Lego Ideas tend to be targeted towards AFOLs), and only popular with a small range of kids. Sure, there are thousands of BTS fans, but how many of them would even walk in a Lego Store, let alone choose to buy a Lego Ideas set, which they would likely not be able to afford anyway. (Ideas sets are usually very expensive).

Wow. BTS' DYNAMITE is beyond boring.

WTF is a BTS?

Well, two easy passes for me. I don't care one bit for BTS, but it will probably sell very well. And while that cabin looks nice, I just don't see the appeal, and also wonder how much of it will be changed by the Lego designers.

One thing I am wondering though: will anyone dare to review the BTS set when it is released? I mean, just the slightest bit of criticism, and you're absolutely done for....I can't think of a single fanbase more toxic than BTS fans...

Think this shows ideas is turning into an 'what can we make the most money off of' platform rather then something actually show casing good lego design and ideas.

BTS is a terrible set, but will sell millions because of their fan base, and alot of the others were clearly never going to be done because of licencing fees.

@Givememorebricks said:
"Bad move from TLG. Snow White and Seven Dwarves would make a nice set. Good work TLG, keep producing crappy and meaningless sets for young (read lost) generation."

Who do you think is legoes prime demographic?

What's gunna place first for shelf warming set, queer eye or bts?

The mini golf seemed like a no-brainer to me as a desk toy etc (think about the stereotype of the executive in a suit and tie with one of those little golf putting things in his office and think about how many people would buy one to sit and fiddle with all day...).

But on the other hand, they have done a similar-ish "desk toy" before in the form of the marble maze and IIRC that wasn't exactly the most popular set of all time...

One other possibility with the golf set is that the golf club from Gone Golfin President Business is both a CMF part and retired which probably means that (certainly for a set of this type) they couldn't bring it back (no way they could justify the cost of a mold in this case unlike with, say, Sesame Street or Winnie the Pooh) and without the golf club, the set doesn't work.

@vzarmo said:
"I guess bts it’s just about the money since the modell and the idea is kinda meh. "
Do you get the feeling BTS stands for Buy This Set?

I used ‘Set’ instead of another word beginning with ‘s’ in deference to Brickset’s clean language policy.

BTS is going to be easy money for the designers. Just think of an IP that will sell, and throw in some bricks. Don’t bother to make something good, the lego team will do that for you.
If the minifigs don’t have earrings and look like a group of girls i think the designers have failed.
And oh yeah, this set should have an app for playing their songs when you build it.

@Brickodillo said:
"BTS is going to be easy money for the designers. Just think of an IP that will sell, and throw in some bricks. Don’t bother to make something good, the lego team will do that for you.
If the minifigs don’t have earrings and look like a group of girls i think the designers have failed.
And oh yeah, this set should have an app for playing their songs when you build it. "

Agree. An AR function for high-end smartphones is a must!

Oh well, that's a lot of money saved.

I don't mind that it's a BTS set, and I'm happy for their fans, but that fan design is just the worst. No effort put into it at all. The figures don't even have faces. While others poured their heart into their designs.

How shamefully transparent that this is purely a business descision.

And laughably all the man-babies on here are complaining that they're not interested, as if adult men are their prime demographic. Get out of your echo-chambers once in a while. Go outside, touch grass.

The cabin looks nice, but the process will probably just suck out all the charm and character like what happend with the Medival Blacksmith and The Pirate Bay.

I wonder if BTS will still be popular by the time this comes out in 2024-25. Reminds me of the Fall guys and among us sets. Popular at the time but now no one really says anything.

BTS set designer(s) will get paid for this. Incredible.

Hopefully some of the non-approved sets will appear with the Bricklink designer program in the future. There's some hope.

Congratulations to the designers who were chosen. I don't really like either set, but I do like the trees in the a frame one. This might be my only chance at owing my own cabin, because i keep spending all my "cabin money" on lego. Ha ha.

I think Snow White got rejected because Disney is in the middle of re-imagining the tale for yet another live action/cgi remake.

So there may already be set ideas in the planning stages.

@Brickchap said:
"Very disappointed in this.

The A frame cabin is well done, although of no interest to me. Congrats to the designer but for me at least nothing really stood out about it, it's just a cabin. Nothing really special about it.

But BTS? Why?? The fan submission doesn't even have faces, and the 'build' is just a facade. I'm sick and tired of Lego Ideas choosing random IPs over unique, creative ideas.

It's literally just the band. There's no play features, no detail. While BTS is popular in Korea and many young people like them now (although that's likely to change within the next month when the next 'trendy' band comes along), they wouldn't have the same reach as say, Queen (yet sets based on Queen were rejected) or the Seven Dwarfs (which would be popular both because it's Disney and because of the long tradition of Snow White with both the original film and more modern versions).

How popular was the Adventure Time set? Not very much at all. It was another set based on what Lego thought was popular with kids at the time, which it was, but not for very long and not so popular to justify people going out and buying some random Lego set of it.

The BTS set will be of very little interest to adults (I think we can agree Lego Ideas tend to be targeted towards AFOLs), and only popular with a small range of kids. Sure, there are thousands of BTS fans, but how many of them would even walk in a Lego Store, let alone choose to buy a Lego Ideas set, which they would likely not be able to afford anyway. (Ideas sets are usually very expensive). "

The BTS fanbase is approx 90million strong globally (not just in Asia) and based on estimates, an average fan spends approximately $1,400 on BTS concert tickets and mercy (Google it). They range from pre-teens to grown adults (who are probably not interested in LEGO but will buy it because its BTS). Needless to say, their fanbase have spending power. If they can afford a few hundred of dollars for a concert ticket, then yes they could probably afford a LEGO Ideas set.

You are right though, they wouldn't normally walk into a LEGO store. But isn't that the point? They will now do and if only a fraction of them become lifelong LEGO fans as adults and as parents, then the upside is huge for TLG especially now that they are actively catering to adult buyers.

This set will sell out fast and will inevitably be successful in recruiting new LEGO fans.

So yeah, BTS makes a lot of sense.

Couldn't they just fit these seven dudes into the A-cabin, so everyone would be happy? And use the freed resources to work on one of the other entries?

Really? No Mini Golf? Was it too innovative, too original, not licensed enough or what? This is getting more ridiculous with every results revealing.
Althought I have to admit that A-frame Cabin is a good choice, the other decisions are strange, at least.

Between this (BTS) and last week's Horizon set, many AFOLs discovered to be out of touch with current things in the world.

My two cents:
- bts, not my interest.
- a frame cabin, looks cool
- snow white cottage and the other rejected ideas, sad but not surprised.

I feel like the Ideas theme should be split in two, especially as more sets get added. All the sets that point to TV, film, music and video games as one theme, and all the rest in the other. I just don't get something like a BTS set lining up beside the likes of The Old Fishing Store 21310, Typewriter 21327, Pirates of Barracuda Bay 21322, which are great ideas.

On another note, I've no interest in BTS but then I'm sure lots of people into BTS aren't interested in the A-Team or Knight Rider. Though the A-Team and Knight Rider are 80's classics, and I loved them growing up, are they not very outdated for newer generations now? So our arguments against BTS could well be mirrored by others against the likes of the A-Team and Knight Rider.

I would have loved the Mini Golf or the Boston Dynamics sets to have got through.

I i feel like BTS was only chosen because of the name brand, and not the actual quality of the build. I don’t normally like being rude to builders, but this one just sucks. I think that is fair given the project creators tend to get a cut of the profits.

It sucks for other project creators who put a ton of effort into their submissions only to be surpassed by something that couldn’t even bother putting faces on the characters. Why bother with an ideas project if there’s a good chance it’ll just be passed up for garbage designs like this?

I had to Duckduckgo 'BTS', but that entry could have been a sign saying 'Make a BTS set' and would still have gotten approval... An idea like this is just that: an idea and not even a particularly good one. The entry itself is boring, uninspired and, to be honest, a bit of a slap in the face to real designers who put their heart and soul into the execution of an idea.

The A-frame as an idea is not ground-breaking either, but at least it looks nice.

Well, clearly there is little to none intersection between visitors of Brickset and BTS fans, which is not surprising. East Asia is nonetheless a huge market for TLG and BTS, among others, have been very popular there (and elsewhere too) for the last 8 years or so. Far from a one hit wonder. (Btw, not a fan myself, to be clear).

@followsclosely said:
"A Boy Band set, really LEGO?"

It'll compliment the spice girls!

Wow I had to google what the heck BTS Dynamite even was. K-Pop band that lip syncs. I know the tune from the radio but had no idea it was these guys. Talk about Milli Vanilli.

These comment sections are so predictable / insufferable. "I don't want this therefore it's a bad decision" Every single time. "BTS is a money printer for Lego" So what? And SW isn't? HP isn't? That set is going to sell like crazy while giving SK representation. Good for them and their fans.

@darthkurt said:
"what the hell is a bts dynamite? and why dont the figs have faces? Lego ideas is turning into americas funniest home videos. where every week, the winning video was always the dumbest one."

I'm not a fan of the set, but... Google is free, you know. It takes 10 seconds to find out what the set is about, and the lack of faces is there because clearly the set author was unable to design a dozen brand-new lego heads based on real people – hardly something we can blame them for.

@Jelippo said:
"I’ve got no interest in neither of these"

Double negative!
So, you have interest in both of these?
;)

I appreciate that with so many submissions making the 10K mark they went with multiple selections. I’ve barely heard of BTS but I’m guessing their fans have never heard of The A Team. Like others have said…Is it time to add different categories or set lines to Ideas? I’m hopeful that a majority of the larger expert style submissions can end up in Brinklink. The cabin is at least detailed. May pick it up.

I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of BTS.

@CDM said:
"These comment sections are so predictable / insufferable. "I don't want this therefore it's a bad decision" Every single time. "BTS is a money printer for Lego" So what? And SW isn't? HP isn't? That set is going to sell like crazy while giving SK representation. Good for them and their fans."
For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about.

The A-Frame cabin, includes, a skunk, a black bear, a crow, a few(3) dark tan chicken and a rat. Following the debacle of the medieval blacksmith (a goat morphed into a husky dog) I wonder what will happen to all these animals. As a 'nature' set, the animal representation will pretty much determine if I decide to buy this set or not. Also, I doubt very much there will be a big-fig arm representing a rock in the final set.

What I don't understand about BTS is the structure?!?!? I googled BTS and all I saw is a bunch(7) of Asian young guys. There was nothing like a dinner or doughnut shop or d-level backwater shopping mall - What is that structure supposed to represent?

@HOBBES said:
"What I don't understand about BTS is the structure?!?!? I googled BTS and all I saw is a bunch(7) of Asian young guys. There was nothing like a dinner or doughnut shop or d-level backwater shopping mall - What is that structure supposed to represent?"

I had to google it as well. Dynamite is a song of theirs and that donut and diner show up in the music video for a few seconds. No idea how it was made into an approved LEGO set with only seconds of screen time.

@Zander said:
"
For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about.
"

Your comment is the best put and well thought out of all. A commercial decision for BTS is fine but not for Ideas. Look at all the designs that were not approved. The creativity in those sets was miles ahead of BTS and their only hope now is an overpriced Bricklink program. I just hope Lego hasn't hurt it's own program with this poor choice.

I also read a lot about license issues from certain entries and that it's obvious they would never get approved. BTS is not free is it ?

The A Frame set looks nice and might buy it once I get to see it irl. Curious what the Lego designers will do with it.

@Zander said:
" @CDM said:
"These comment sections are so predictable / insufferable. "I don't want this therefore it's a bad decision" Every single time. "BTS is a money printer for Lego" So what? And SW isn't? HP isn't? That set is going to sell like crazy while giving SK representation. Good for them and their fans."
For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about.

Exactly this"

@Zander said:
"For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about."

I'm not going to get all misty about what Ideas should or shouldn't be. The crux of that argument is BTS was chosen at the expense of another, more "worthy" submission, which I think is faulty logic. There are a bunch of sets in the pipeline...if they pass on BTS they don't pick something else in it's place. So in that case...who cares? The fact is two fan designers are going to benefit from this set and I'm not going to diminish that or the design they've submitted.

@Reinier said:
" @visigot and don't forget it was designed by TWO people!"

;) ;) ;) ;) I understand Lego wanting a slice of the money pie that pop bands of the day can bring but it shouldn’t have been from this ‘ideas’ entry as it doesn't it cut it at all imo! TLG are going to just completely make their own version as the entry is nothing but a screenshot from a video badly reproduced without even the most basic building rules adhered to eg. the bricks aren’t even connected?? I just think it’s unfair to choose a poor entry over so many talented builds, obviously just for profit when they are so keen to always point out their integrity as a brand!

@Reinier said:
"I have no idea what BTS is. But other than that, that building could have been built by a six year old. Sorry, not impressed at all."

Can anyone here actually explain what this property is? I'm not an old man but I've never even heard a glimmer of what this is supposed to be.

They certainly could have done a lot better with so many great sets to choose from. A-cabin ok, BTS wtf?

@Legorides said:
" @Zander said:
"
For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about.
"

Your comment is the best put and well thought out of all. A commercial decision for BTS is fine but not for Ideas. Look at all the designs that were not approved. The creativity in those sets was miles ahead of BTS and their only hope now is an overpriced Bricklink program. I just hope Lego hasn't hurt it's own program with this poor choice.

I also read a lot about license issues from certain entries and that it's obvious they would never get approved. BTS is not free is it ?

The A Frame set looks nice and might buy it once I get to see it irl. Curious what the Lego designers will do with it. "

Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved

That BTS set is awful.

Really disappointed in this round.

@fakespacesquid said:
" @Legorides said:
" @Zander said:
"
For me, it’s not that LEGO is producing a BTS set. I recognise that LEGO is a business and, as such, has commercial motives both to sell as much as it can and draw in new customers. I get that. The issue is this having been done through the Ideas platform which was originally intended to tap the ability of LEGO’s fans and give them the opportunity to showcase their talents. It doesn’t feel like this set has done that. LEGO could have designed its own BTS set and carried out its own market research. It didn’t need Ideas for that. That’s not what Ideas is about.
"

Your comment is the best put and well thought out of all. A commercial decision for BTS is fine but not for Ideas. Look at all the designs that were not approved. The creativity in those sets was miles ahead of BTS and their only hope now is an overpriced Bricklink program. I just hope Lego hasn't hurt it's own program with this poor choice.

I also read a lot about license issues from certain entries and that it's obvious they would never get approved. BTS is not free is it ?

The A Frame set looks nice and might buy it once I get to see it irl. Curious what the Lego designers will do with it. "

Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

I don’t have an issue with BTS getting a set. To be honest, I have no stake one way or another. What bugs me is that it got picked with an incredibly lazy design.

I understand not every set can get picked. I think one or two fairly large sets is what I expect personally. I just wish it went to a project more deserving, if that makes sense.

I'm okay with the A-frame cabin. BTS is a big disappointment. I so wish they had gone with something medieval. However, the announcement of the BTS set had me actually looking up who BTS was...lol...I had no idea.

@fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)

I understand why the Cabin got in but that BTS is just terrible... I guess Lego sees $$$

I'm so very disappointed that the OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM EXPLORERS set was not approved
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/80e3c12d-4628-470e-873a-5cc73b46d5c7
Such a great idea.

Does anybody know why they only approve 2 sets each time?

@Legorides said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)"

Ideas is not about picking the best MOC, it's about picking the best set. There's a world of difference between MOCs and Sets, and there's a world of difference between what AFOLs THINK the demand is for, and what the ACTUAL demand is for. The bottom line is that straight up castles do not interest most kids these days, and so Lego does not produce them outside of one-offs like the Blacksmith and the 3in1 Castle right now.

You should believe that Lego does it's research and makes choices that will be earning them good money. Classic themes like castle and pirates ain't it, for better or worse.

@Reinier said:
"I have no idea what BTS is. But other than that, that building could have been built by a six year old. Sorry, not impressed at all."

I think this comment is extremely hurtful and disparaging to all the six year old around the world.

@Legorides said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)"

I can't argue on the effort front, but the previous commenter specifically used the word 'creativity' and I honestly can't see a massive creativity gap between the BTS entry and "here's yet another Castle." And especially if you look at it as creativity meaning 'doing new things,' the BTS entry is *more* creative since we haven't had any sets around modern music artists

I guess my concern with BTS is more, how popular will they be when the set finally reaches shelves? I'm thinking of other popular bands like 1Direction and how sometimes they are a passing fad, even if some go solo.

These sets take so long for production, who knows what the world will be like when it is available.

The Duplo builds of my three-year-old son are more spectacular than this bts-idea

@fakespacesquid said:
"Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects"

TLG has finite production capacity and is already struggling to produce the few approved Ideas sets in a timely manner. The fact that we still only see 0-2 approvals per round despite submissions almost tripling makes it very clear that the Ideas team have hard limits on how much they can approve.

As much as I dislike calling the ideas process a "contest", competition between submissions in each round absolutely plays a factor.

I'm just glad now that submissions have a second chance on Bricklink. There are issues with competition there as well but at least creative builds can step out of the shadow of licensed sets.

@hawkeye7269 said:
"
Ideas is not about picking the best MOC, it's about picking the best set. There's a world of difference between MOCs and Sets, and there's a world of difference between what AFOLs THINK the demand is for, and what the ACTUAL demand is for. The bottom line is that straight up castles do not interest most kids these days, and so Lego does not produce them outside of one-offs like the Blacksmith and the 3in1 Castle right now.

You should believe that Lego does it's research and makes choices that will be earning them good money. Classic themes like castle and pirates ain't it, for better or worse."

Again, no interest in Castle themes. And I've had many entries rejected that I was interested in, though luck. I'm sure Lego done their research. I just think it's funny people arguing with a straight face (I presume) BTS vs all the rest in a competition that is named IDEAS.

But maybe you'll get your wish: all those pesky boring modulars, castles, etc could soon be replaced by bland lazy entries like BTS but with a great marketable label on it. Good times coming!

The Dynamite video has been watched 1.3 billion times on YouTube. It doesn't really matter what we think, Lego are probably right to try making a set for that market.

Shame about the other ideas. The cabin looks nice though, and kind of replaces the Old Fishing Store.

A bunch of of middle aged American/European guys not liking a K-pop set? I would have never guessed...

The cabin looks great. The BTS set should've not been approved in my opinion. Totally overrated as a music group.

So no Knight Rider or A-Team? Does that mean the whole 80's revival thing is dead? (Shame because I probably would have gotten either of those). A-Frame looks nice. BTS just proves something I've suspected for a while now--I'm getting old.

Most of the cases TLG has really weird choicies at picking the winner Ideas set. It would be great to have a detailed article here about their decision making procedure or their view points about particular pickings. Maybe it would be answer for many doubts in the fans here...

The BTS set will be "Fab 5" all over again.

@fakespacesquid said:
" @Legorides said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)"

I can't argue on the effort front, but the previous commenter specifically used the word 'creativity' and I honestly can't see a massive creativity gap between the BTS entry and "here's yet another Castle." And especially if you look at it as creativity meaning 'doing new things,' the BTS entry is *more* creative since we haven't had any sets around modern music artists"

The BTS set is an absolute insult to the Ideas program. If Ideas is not about design anymore, but only about the most marketable/profitable set, let's just submit synopsis from now on and save ourselves the effort on the set itself. Lego can google the required images themselves.

So many complaining that the BTS set shows that there's no need to design a 'good' set, it's only the idea (or in many cases the IP) that counts- that is 100% true, and to be honest has been for the majority of IDEAS existence, so don't be so surprised.

I actually have a bigger issue with the A-Frame Cabin...
If you're reading this, take a look at the submitted model, and take note of what 10 details interest you most and make you think "that's a cool MOC".
I can guarantee at least 8/10 of those aesthetics were achieved using illegal techniques.

Don't get me wrong, I love the look and aesthetic achieved, but the purist in me can't really accept it as an ideas winner... It basically means that the final model will look insanely different to the original submission. The model didn't even have an interior until it was on over 6000 votes, which is basically the hard work done...

It makes me feel for the designers who spend ages trying to get a pleasing aesthetic while trying to make a model they view as something LEGO could release- i.e. it's techniques are legal.

This has to be the crappies looking Ideas submission to have ever been approved.

@bRicks2017 said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
" @Legorides said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)"

I can't argue on the effort front, but the previous commenter specifically used the word 'creativity' and I honestly can't see a massive creativity gap between the BTS entry and "here's yet another Castle." And especially if you look at it as creativity meaning 'doing new things,' the BTS entry is *more* creative since we haven't had any sets around modern music artists"

The BTS set is an absolute insult to the Ideas program. If Ideas is not about design anymore, but only about the most marketable/profitable set, let's just submit synopsis from now on and save ourselves the effort on the set itself. Lego can google the required images themselves."

I don’t think you really understand what the Ideas platform is then…

A frame is really nice. Big fan.

BTS couldnt possibly be any lamer. Generic looking minifigs, gigantic bland facade of a strip mall? Like the queer eye set was just as tiny of a niche, but at least that had a very decent looking apartment.

Im guessing lego is counting on rabid pop fans who will buy anything with the image of their crush. I cant imagine a person who is into lego would be interested

@Torbo said:
"Im guessing lego is counting on rabid pop fans who will buy anything with the image of their crush. I cant imagine a person who is into lego would be interested "

I can't imagine how only making sets for current Lego fans is a valid business model. Literally every member of the hobby was not a member of the hobby until they found a set or theme that interested them. How many current Afols only had the chance to become Afols because of the Parisian Restaurant? How many thousands were brought in by Star Wars? How many saw Women in Science or the Ship in a Bottle and realized that Lego could be more than a kids toy?

Moreover, how many times to we have to have this discussion with every new set that reaches beyond Lego's current umbrella?

@monkyby87 said:
" @bRicks2017 said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
" @Legorides said:
" @fakespacesquid said:
"
Ideas selections aren't a zero-sum game, Lego has clearly indicated that if there are enough projects that are up to snuff, they'll pick multiple projects (or delay some for further consideration). The idea that "BTS got picked, therefore it pushed out something else" just isn't true, and I'd also disagree with the idea that we had a ton of creative entries. Nearly every one was Castle, a modular, or licensed. I'm not saying picking BTS was great, as I would agree that Ideas should focus less on licenses, but let's not act like we're losing much by not getting Castle Submission 4392 approved"

Couldn't care less about castles or any "I want this, I want that" discussion. But if you can't see the difference in effort, skill and ideas between a lazy BTS set and the other designs, then I don't know what to tell you. However, your 4392 did link to a very creative castle ;-)"

I can't argue on the effort front, but the previous commenter specifically used the word 'creativity' and I honestly can't see a massive creativity gap between the BTS entry and "here's yet another Castle." And especially if you look at it as creativity meaning 'doing new things,' the BTS entry is *more* creative since we haven't had any sets around modern music artists"

The BTS set is an absolute insult to the Ideas program. If Ideas is not about design anymore, but only about the most marketable/profitable set, let's just submit synopsis from now on and save ourselves the effort on the set itself. Lego can google the required images themselves."

I don’t think you really understand what the Ideas platform is then…"

Please explain us then, because i am not alone on this one. This is literally what is stated on the Lego Ideas website:

"Love getting imaginative with LEGO bricks? Fancy yourself as a LEGO master builder? Well, this is the place to be. Share your cool creations and creativity, enter prize competitions, showcase your proposals for new LEGO Ideas sets and vote for awesome models dreamt up by your fellow fan designers."

This is everything the BST set is not

That A-Frame is a stunning MOC—the kind that doesn't usually make it to the con intact.

Looking at the Ideas photos, a lot of it is sturdier than it looks. Still, I wonder how recognizable it will be after Lego reinforces it and eliminates the illegal techniques.

@Yardsale19X said:
"The Dynamite video has been watched 1.3 billion times on YouTube. It doesn't really matter what we think, Lego are probably right to try making a set for that market.

Shame about the other ideas. The cabin looks nice though, and kind of replaces the Old Fishing Store. "

It's watched a lot of times because LEGO-fans are curious to see why the hell this project has been approved

@fakespacesquid, @CDM, You're ascribing to me a position that has never been mine, that somehow the BTS set displaced another, more worthy contender (the zero sum argument). I'm aware that LEGO's resources are plentiful and that it could produce many of the sets that qualified for review.

My concern is the trajectory Ideas is taking and the message this sends to would-be contributors. Instead of encouraging impressive constructions, appealing aesthetics and/or NPU, you can get your set into production as an official LEGO set if you correctly select the right franchise (the one that's sufficiently popular and for which LEGO can negotiate a licence). That's the take-away. No talent needed. No skill. No artistry. No appreciation for the brick. Just a bit of knowledge of pop culture and some blind luck. Is that really what Ideas is about?

I despise BTS and their fanbase. Entirely based around fuelling unhealthy parasocial relationships.

@Zander said:
" @fakespacesquid, @CDM, You're ascribing to me a position that has never been mine, that somehow the BTS set displaced another, more worthy contender (the zero sum argument). I'm aware that LEGO's resources are plentiful and that it could produce many of the sets that qualified for review.

My concern is the trajectory Ideas is taking and the message this sends to would-be contributors. Instead of encouraging impressive constructions, appealing aesthetics and/or NPU, you can get your set into production as an official LEGO set if you correctly select the right franchise (the one that's sufficiently popular and for which LEGO can negotiate a licence). That's the take-away. No talent needed. No skill. No artistry. No appreciation for the brick. Just a bit of knowledge of pop culture and some blind luck. Is that really what Ideas is about? "

Sets like BTS aren’t pushing other sets out anymore than those sets are pushing themselves out. The vast majority are great MOC’s that show off talent, but don’t equate to actual quality sets that can be reasonably mass released. Ideas isn’t just about showing off great creations; that’s what Instagram is for. Ideas is trying to make actual submissions into a set to be purchased. If a message needs to be sent to creators it’s this: stop submitting giant, terribly detailed sets that make terrible sets.

@legofanboy said:
"I'm sorry LEGO but I have completely lost interest in the Lego Ideas theme. Last two sets I was hyped for were Barracuda Bay and Medieval Blacksmith. Best set was the Saturn V. Ideas sets are becoming too pricey, more obscure and too niche."

I actually appreciate that about Ideas; it helps niche sets get made that wouldn’t otherwise. Yeah I may not have much interest in them, but I appreciate different and more obscure things being made. It helps show the range of Lego and increases the fan base. And getting more people interested in Lego is a good thing.

@Reg said:
"BTS’s Dynamite is nothing but a money spinner for LEGO. Zero skill required in designing those buildings which just goes to show that you don’t need any sort of imagination these days for this theme - it doesn’t look like the ‘creators’ even bothered to actually build it but saved time and any energy in doing it in studio instead - time for a total overhaul. "

The Ideas program is open to all types of MOC designers, including those with less skill. This is why Lego set designers redesign the MOCs for marketability, playability, and display. The Ideas program wasn't made so that people can design something, and Lego can replicate it as closely as possible. The Idea is what is important.

Your comment of "zero skill" and "no imagination" is hurtful and unnecessary. Some people don't have bricks to build their ideas. You seem to be the one lacking imagination.

Say what you will about BTS and BTS stans but this has a market, alright. BTS is massively popular, family-friendly, and hasn’t done anything terrible that I know of, it’s difficult to find musicians who tick all of those boxes.

People behind The Office submissions that got rejected before the one that got approved must love all these "the idea is what is important" comments.

@Bricklestick said:
" @augen said:
"My favourite one was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I wonder whether Peter Dinklage's recent outburst about Disney impacted the decision to reject it."

Yeah that was kind of my thought; not necessarily a great time to release a set based upon a pretty stereotypical representation of a physical condition.

"

The Dwarfs in Snow White are mythical creatures. They are in no way meant to represent real humans with dwarfism.

The physical condition "Dwarfism" was named after the mythical creature, not the other way around. Peter Dinklage got this all backwards.

@Wrecknbuild said:
"Couldn't they just fit these seven dudes into the A-cabin, so everyone would be happy? And use the freed resources to work on one of the other entries?"

love how this could apply to both BTS and the seven dwarves :P

Remember friends don't let friends listen to K-pop.

@Lamarider said:
"Could someone point out some of the "illegal" building techniques in the A-Frame, I never really understood this concept?"
Parts deliberately not fully seated, which is arguably illegal but probably doesn't actually cause all that much stress on the parts — they are out of system, however, and can interfere with neighboring connections. I think the A-Frame Cabin suffers more from stability issues than actually contains illegal techniques. Both of these would not fly with LEGO's standards.